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A18004 A discourse Wherein is plainly proued by the order of time and place, that Peter was neuer at Rome. Furthermore, that neither Peter nor the Pope is the head of Christes Church. Also an interpretation vpon the second Epistle of S. Paul to the Thessalonians, the second chapter. Seene and alowed according to the order appointed.; Discourse. Wherein is plainly proved by the order of time and place, that Peter was never at Rome. Carlile, Christopher, d. 1588? 1572 (1572) STC 4655; ESTC S107558 88,721 116

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Althoughe Iohn the 3. After Christ .565 yeare and Gregorie the Pope after Christ .590 had apointed and decréed moste Prudently the Contrarie This saide Boniface apointed the Aultares to bée couered with white Linen clothes 28. Theodotus in the yeare of Christe .618 decréede that no man should mary his goddaughter 29. Boniface the 5. in the yeare of Christ 621. apointed Sanctuaries for Malefactoures that Coluthes shoulde not touche the Reliques of Martires Sacrilege to bée punished with the dart of excomunication and that Monkes being preistes might binde and louse 30. Honorius the firste in the yeare of Christe .626 made the Crosse of Christe a Saincte and tooke the Brasen Tiles of the Temple of Romulus and couered Saincte Peters Churche with them and builded many Temples 31. Theodocus in the yeare of Christ .640 the sonne of a Bishope was Pope at what tyme Carcombert King of England firste commaunded Lent to bée kept in Englande 32. Martine the firste in the yeare of Christe .650 compelled the Clergie to vowe chastitie 33 Eugenius the first in the yeare of Christe .660 apointed that Bishoppes should haue a prison to emprison the Clergie and that Bishoppes might not nor oughte not to conuert the goodes of the churche to their owne vses 34. Vitelianus in the yeare of Christ .661 brought firste into the Temples Musike and Orgaines 35. Donus in the yeare of Christe .681 deuided the Clergie into certein orders 36 Agatho the fyrste in the yeare of Christ .680 commaunded that all the Lawes of the Pope should bée taken as confirmed by the mouth of God. 37. Constantine the first in the yere of Christ .708 went towards Constantinople and in the iourney Iustinian the Emperour met him and kissed his féete He commaunded Images to be had in Temples and to be painted 38. Gregory the second in the yeare of Christ .715 forbad a man to mary Presbyteram Dyaconam Monacham and a spiritual godmother and made Leo the Emperour his subiects too rebell bycause the Emperour had pulled downe Images of Saincts out of Temples 39 Gregory the third in the yeare of Chryst .731 brought in Images againe cursed Leo the Emperour who resisted him and despising the Emperour caused Martellus King of Fraunce too make warre against the Lumbards 40 Stephanus the second in the yeare of Christ .751 caused Pipinus to inuade Lumberdie hée pardoned Pipinus againste his othe made vnto his king Childerique and this was the first Pope that was borne vppon mens shoulders and caused Images to be worshipped and much Idolatrie to be committed 41. Paule the first in the yeare of Christ .760 excomunicated the Emperour in hys tyme Starres did fall from heauen into the earth 42. Leo the thyrd in the yeare of Christ .800 after his banishment béeing restored too his Popeshippe by Carolus Magnus the Emperour made the Gange daies and Frankencense and preferred the degrées of the Popes before all the wrytings of the holy Doctours and affirmed that a crosse of wood made for Christes ●rosse did bléede the very true blood of Christ. 43. Gregory the fourth made all sowle daye 44. Sergius the seconde in the yeare of Christe .841 was the first that chaunged his name and cauled himselfe Sergius whose Christian name was Hogges mouth He crowned the Emperour Lodouike and caused the Sacrament too bée deuided intoo thrée partes 45. Leo the fourth in the yeare of Christ .846 made men kisse his féete no lay man to bée in the quie● at the masse tyme but the clarks And made Ethenwolfus of a monke king of England and therfore he rendred to the Pope of euery house in England a pennye 46. Iohan a woman Pope in the yeare of Christ .853 borne at Moguntia in Germany and called an English woman through the familiarite that she had with an English monke with whom she went to Athenes being appareled like a young man proceded and excelled in learning in so much that she was cōsecrated Pope gaue orders made Bishoppes Priests Deacons and Abbottes songe masse halowed Alters Fonts and Temples ministred the Sacrament crowned Lodouike the seconde Emperour of that name with hir hand and with sainct Peters blessing Ethelwolfus King of England reuerencing this holy mother I should say holy father the Pope euen the harlot of Babylon gaue the tenth part of his Realme to clarkes and monks to praye for his sowle This Pope was gotten with childe of one of hir Cardinalles delyuered a child as she went on procession and so died after she had bin Pope two yeare and a halfe Then ●he holy fathers made prouision leste they should be deceaued any more and did set him whome they would make Pope vppon a stoole that had a hole in it and caused a Deacon to put his hand vnder and to know whither he were a man or a woman Behold the Romish Church euen after mistres I. Pope had sayd a masse of the holy ghost did offend if it bée an offence too bée an harlot Funcius sayeth that it was done by the singuler prouidence of God to ●eclare the abhomination of the whoore of Babilon and the Sea of Rome 47. Nicolas the first decréed in the yeare of our Lord .861 that no Prynce not the Emperour should be present at any councel of the Clargie onlesse it be some chéefe pointe of the fayth He decréed that no lay man should iudge of the Clergies lyues nor dispute of the Popes power neither any Christian magistrate too haue power ouer any Bishoppe bicause the Bishppe was called God and compelled priests too lyue chaste and that none shall heare the masse of him that hath a concubine 48 Martine the second in the yere of Christ 882. was made Pope by Nigromancy 49 Stephanus the 6. in the yere of Christ 890. abrogated al y Actes of Formosus the Pope for on olde grudge he tooke his body out of his graue cut of two fingers of his right hand and threwe them into Tyber and buryed him emong the Laytie 50 Romanus in the yeare of Christ 896. disanulled the Actes of his Predecessour Stephanus and approued the Actes of Formossus 51 Christophorus ▪ in the yeare of Christe 903. did cast Leo intoo prison and handled him miserably 52 Sergius in the yeare of Christ 907. deposed the sayd Christopher and made himselfe Pope and for hatred tooke vp Formosus once again and set him in the Seate of the Pope as though hée had bin alyue and cut of his head eight yeares after hée was dead hée cut of thrée of his fingers and threwe his body into Tyber and commaunded all the Romanes to confirme this acte and too subscribe Hée first ordeyned candelles to bée borne vppon Candelmasse daye Hée begotte Iohn the 12. Pope of that name of an harlot called Marozia and did many such miracles 53 Laudo in
hys footemen As Hadrian the fourth Pope before him vsed the Emperoure Frederike who came too the Pope and helde hys lefte stirroppe as hée should lighte of his Horse You should sayde the Pope haue holden my right stirroppe The Emperoure smiled being not a littell offended and said that he was not wont to hold stirroppes for you are the firste that euer wée did any suche duetie vnto And I woold know of you whither it is of duetie or of good will if of good will why do you accuse my negligence if of duetie I owe you no such seruice thē what matter maketh it to what side he commeth that commeth to do reuerence The next day thus being admonished of the Pope came to his right stirroppe and brought him into his Tentes This Alexander the thyrd decréed that none should be King of England but whome the Pope shuld assigne and create and compelled Henry the second king of England to go barefoote to Thomas Becketts Tombe at Canterburie with bléeding féete 72 Innocent the thyrd in the yeare of Christ. 1195. made Emperours cursed them and excommunicated them He inuented and commaunded Auriculer confession and commaunded the Hoste to be reserued Thou hast O Rome saieth the Abbotte of Ursprage that thou diddest desire Sing this song that thou hast ouercome the world by symony ambition malyce crueltie presumption deceyt arrogancie and violence but neither by vertue nor Religion 73 Gregorye the ninth in the yeare of Christe .1221 promised eternall lyfe to all them that would sight against the Emperour He forbad lay men to preach 74. Innocens the fourth in the yeare of Christ .1242 gaue to the Cardinalles rede hattes for the defence of Religion and that they should ryde on horseback through the citie Ther was a voice herd in the Popes court saying Come thou damned wretch into the iudgment of God the next day he was striken as though it had bin with a club and was found dead 75. Vrbane the fourth in the yeare of Christ .1262 made Christes crosse a saint and Corpus Christi likewise 76. Boniface the eight in the yeare of Christ .1290 gaue in the yere of Iubil ful remission of their sins to al thē that came to Rome Hée came out to the people vpon a solemne daye in the habite of a Pope in his Pontificalibus and gaue the people his blessinge The next day hée came forthe in the apparell of an Emperoure with a naked swerd borne before him satte him downe and cried with a loude voice loe here are two swerdes signifieng that bothe the temporal and spiritual iurisdiction was his He entred as a Foxe reigned as a Wolfe and died as a Dogge Hée decréed that he was the key bearer of heauen and that no man might iudge him althoughe hée caried innumerable soules to hell with him 87. Clement the 5. in the yeare of Christ .1313 did translate the Romishe Seate to Auenion in Fraunce Where his successoures remayned 74. yeares 78. Iohn the 22. in the yere of Christ .1318 taught that the sowles departed should not sée god before the last day And that hée him selfe is the head of the Churche and in the steade of Christe vnto whome the Gréekes answeared thus wée knowe your power ouer your subiectes your intolerable pryde we cannot abide your couetousnes wée are not able to satisfie the Deuill be wyth you for the Lorde is with vs. 79. Vrbane the 6. in the yeare of Christ .1388 put 5. cardinalles in a sacke and drowned them 80. Clement the 6. in the yeare of Christ .1343 commaunded the Aungells of paradise to bring out of Purgatorie those soules that were perdoned and to cary them into the glorie of paradise Hée graunted also to them that made a crosse in their forehed that they might deliuer 3. or 4. soules out of purgatorie whome they lusted 81. Iulius the second in the yere ●o Christ .1502 a man ful of al mischife threw Peters keyes into Tiber hée licensed Henrie the 8. King of England to Marie his brothers wiffe what soeuer ordinaunce is to the contrarie set out by the Apostles Quibuscunque decretis Apostolicis non obstantibus 82 Leo the 10. in the yeare of Christ 1512. cauled the Gospell a fable Hée caused his comissioners to perswade the people that for ten shillinges they might haue whose Soule they would out of purgatory they preached that if it were one iote lesse then ten shillinges it would profite nothing for they sayde it was an infallible rule that God would doo what they would haue him to doo according to this texte Quicquid soluries super terram c. These pardons Luther began to confute and therfore was cursed by the said Leo. At this tyme ther was such lightening and thunder at Rome that it shaked the Temple where the Cardinalles were chosen on such sorte that Christ our Ladyes younge sonne was smitten out of hir armes and the keys out of saint Peters handes which many interpreted to signifie and foreshowe the Ruin of the Romish seate and to that end there were many verses written 83 Clement the eight in the yeare of Christ 1524. was a bastard a Coniurer a Murtherer a Sodomite periured a Robber full of Sacrilege and the Mayster of all mischiéefe 84 Paule the third in the yeare of Christ .1534 Excomunicated England he compelled his sister to lye with Pope Alexander the 6. that he might be made a Cardinall he poysoned his natural Mother and his Nephewe that al the inheritance might come to him self he poysoned an other Sister whom hée had defloured bycause that she loued other better then him He promysed a noble woman mariage lay with her and deceyued her with changing his apparell he was taken in bed with his Niece an other mans wyfe and wounded sore of her husbande hée laye with his owne daughter Constantia and killed her husband he regystred 45. thowsande whoores of which he had monthly a Ducate 85 Iulius the 3. in the yeare of Christe 1549. beside the Blasphemies which hée vsed for his Hogges flesh and Peacock the Cardinalles demaūded him why he did make such an vngracious Boye called Innocentius too bée Cardinall and what hée sawe in him Hée answeared I pray you what did you sée in mée that caused you to make mée Pope is it not the course of fortune to aduance whom shée will without desartes As I haue in repeting certaine actes of the Popes vttered some that are not wicked and some that are moste detestable so in declaring these Antitheses and contrarieti●s I must néedes declare some good thinges but moste parte detestable Neither doth the Deuill speake alwaies euill though his intente is to that ende in theise Antitheses yée shall sée their discention in words discord in matter diuersitie in iudgment and varietie in opinions Repugnancie in writing is the subuersion of that thinge which you go about to defend
power aboue the Pope bicause that hée is called god as Antonius writeth tit 16. If no magistrate haue iurisdiction ouer him if no man may appeach him if he be god is he not worthy to be the head of the Church I graunt that he taketh vpon him all these tytles and so the deuel would haue done who moued Christ to sitte downe and worship him and hée would gyue to him the whole world Wherfore hée is the Abomination of desolation the childe of perdition Behemoth Bel Beliall a Dogge a Dragon a Traytour the Deuell a Théefe an Idoll a Wolfe a Serpent Leuiathan The 16. Obiection The place nor the Pope cannot erre but onely in that that hée is man but in that that hée is Christes Uicegerent hée cannot erre how saye you by this cracke mée this nutte And although that Peter Bembus calleth Alexander the sixte a murtherer and likewise Iulius the third yet wée protest that if Bembus had ben learned in our Canons and Gloses hée would not haue written so I maruayle what men meane to speake so ageynst our holy Father séeing hée can make of nothing something of iniurie iustice potest facere de nihilo aliquid de iniusticia iusticiam mutare quadrata rotundis Pauor post hoc in c. The Pope calleth himselfe to witnesse bycause there is none greater by whom hée may sweare Though Paule writeth and willeth that a Bishoppe should bée without faulte notwithstanding the Pope may dispence with him though he be an vnthrift a Ruffyan a lyer a théef a coniurer a periured man suche like Geminianus lib. 8. cap. 49. Iesu good Lord what and howe mightie a Prelate is our holy father the Pope hath not hée authoritie ouer the Aungelles in heauen and also ouer the damned soules in hell as Petrus Costus reporteth I aunswere that all these sayings are full of iniquitie and rather to bée punished by the Magistrate with the swoorde then answered with the pen. The 17. Obiection How say you to this golden sentence Sext. decret that the Pope maketh the place holy and therefore Rome is without spotte or wrincle I answer if he be an euil man he depraueth the place and that the Pope is euill his frutes do declare The 18. Obiection What if the Pope sayeth Busgradus carie all the worlde too hell with him or beléeue that there is no life to come as some did or be an homocide or a Sodomite or as blasphemous as Iulius the thirde or as euell as the deuill or if he blaspheme the virgin Mary as a ruffian as the said Iulius did we must beleue that wée must be saued by him or elles wée must be dampned without redemtion for whatsoeuer he dothe wée must beleue it as an article of our faith for who may or dare aske him why he dothe so What shall wée answere to these blasphemies they are not worthy to bée repeted to horrible to be mentioned to absurde to be confuted to vile to enter into any mans eares The xix Obiection How answer you this authentical sentence of the glose of the Prologe of the Clementines that the Pope is neither god nor man sed Neuter inter vtrunque If he be neither god nor man but neuter betwene them both than is he a monster or if he bée neither god nor man he is surely the deuel or else some Antechrist The xx Obiection Is not he the head of the Church that is better then the virgin Mary but the Pope is better then the virgin Mary Ergo hée is the head of the Church What if I should denye the Maior ye could not proue it but I will deny the Maior hée that can make him that is better then the virgin Marye is better then the virgin Marye But the Pope can make a priest which is better then the virgin Mary Ergo the Pope is better then the Uirgin Marye A priest is better then the virgin Mary in this poynt that she bare Christ but once but the priest euery daye I could answer this by the like absurditie of yours after this sorte You say that a priest can make god But hée that can make god is better then god Ergo the priest is better then god But the Pope can make a priest if the priest who is an inferiour can make god what can the Pope make who is superiour to a priest Surely a thing aboue god doth not the Pope in making of god exalt him selfe aboue god Therfore he is that man of sinne and child of perdition that is spoken of in the second to the Thessalonians cap. 2. ver 3. and .4 The 21. Obiection Hée is the head of the church that can gyue the names of dignitie and tytles to all Princes Kinges and Monarches and may crowne them But the Pope can doo this Ergo the Pope is the head of the church I denye the Minor. I proue it thus What King hath not his tytle gyuen of the Pope name one if you can To bée brief hée gaue this tytle to the Frenche King to bée Christianissimus most Christian King and to the King of England to bée Defensor fidei Defendour of the fayth I graunt hée did this but hée chalendged this authoritie falsely and then hée did as the scripture prophecied that hée should doo Exalte himselfe aboue all power The 22. Obiection Hée that curseth when and whom hée will is the head of the church But the Pope can both curse and blesse when and whom hée will. Ergo the Pope is the head of the church I denie the Minor. I proue it thus Was not England cursed by the Pope and our holy father Iulie the thixde of that name dyd of his meere mercie gyue one droppe of Christes bloode reserued at Rome to perdon England withall or rather of his holynesse and absolute power perdoned Englande In the yeare of Christ 1553. the 19. daye of October non obstantibus constitutionibus ordinationibus Apostolicis ▪ caeterisque contrarijs quibuscunque Notwithstanding the constitutiones and ordinances of the Apostles or any other whatsoeuer they bée to the contrarie Are you not ashamed to take the honour from God and gyue it to a man From the Creator and gyue it to the creature you saye that though the Apostles or any other in whiche woordes both God and Christ are conteyned dyd ordeyne and decrée the contrarie that the Popes blessing muste preuayle his iudgement stande and hée to bée all in all The 23. Obiection Pelagius many yeares agone ordeyned that the church of Rome had not her authoritie of men or of Synodes but of christ And Gregorie the seuenth Nicolas the third were more playne For they concluded that the Pope was the Supreme head without all controuersie I aunswere that by these it is manifest that it was 560. yeares after Christ before that any mencion was made of any supremacie for these twoo first forged supremacie that which was first is most