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A57825	Five speeches in the High and Honourable Court of Parliament by Sir Benjamin Rudyerd ... ; printed according to his owne true copies, the former being absurdly false.; Speeches. Selections	Rudyerd, Benjamin, Sir, 1572-1658.	1641 (1641)	Wing R2184; ESTC R12031	12,505	32

would pay for or give security we have desray'd them hitherto and are provided to do it longer They did well remember that we assisted them in the time of their Reformation and it is not to be forgoten that we did bear our own charges Concerning mutuall restitution of Ships and goods my Lords the Comissioners have very fairly and discreetly accomodated that parricular already As for inferenciall consequenciall dammages such a representation would but minister unacceptable matter of difference and contestation which amongst friends ought to be warily and wisely avoyded We could alleadge and truly too that Northumberland Newcastle and the Bishoprick will not recover their former state these twenty yeares We have heard it spoken in this House by an understanding knowing member in the particular that the Coal-mmes of New castle will not be set right againe for a hundred thousand pound besides the over price of coales which all the while it hath and will cost this city and other parts of the kingdome A great deale more of this nature might be rehearsed but I delight not to presse such tenter-stretch'd arguments Let us on both sides rather thank God by proceeding in the way he hath laid before us and not wry his way to ours time and his blessing will repair all our implicit damages with many prosperous explicit advantages They say that they do not make any formall demand but they do make a sum to appeare of five hundred and fourteen thousand pounds more then ever we gave the king at once A portentous apparition which shews it selfe in a very dry time when the Kings revenue is totally exhausted his debts excessively multiplied this kingdom generally impoverish'd by grievous burdens and disordered courts All this supply is to be drawne out of us only without the least help from any of his Maiesties other dominions which to my seeming will be an utter drayning of the people unlesse England be Ruteus in-exhaustus as the Popes were wont to call it Notwithstanding Sir now that I have in part opened the state we are in though nothing so exactly as they have done theirs I shall most willingly and heartily affoord the Scots whatsoever is iust equitable and honourable even to a convenient considerable round sum of money towards their losses and expences that we may go off with a friendly and a handsome losse If they reiect it we shall improve our cause It was never yet thought Master Speaker any great wisdom over much to trust a successfull sword A man that walkes upon a rysing ground the further he goes the larger is his prospect Successe enlarges mens desires extends their ambition it breedes thoughts in them they never thought before This is naturall and usuall But the Scots being truly touch't with Religion according to their profession that only is able to make them keepe their word For Religion is stronger and wiser then reason or reason of slate Beyond all this Master Speaker the remarkable traces of Gods wonderfull providence in this strange worke are so many so apparant as I cannot but hope almost to beleeve that the same All governing mercifull 〈◊〉 will conduct and leade us to a happy conclusion will contract a closer firmer union betweene the two nations then any meere humane policy could ever have effected with inestimable benefits to both In advancing the truth of religion in exalting the greatnesse of the King in securing the peace of his kingdomes against all malitious envious ambitious opposites to Religion to the king to his kingdomes wherein I presume all our desires and prayers do meete Concerning BISHOPS Master Speaker I do verily beleeve that there are many of the Clergy in our Church who do thinke the simplicitie of the Gospel too meane a vocation for them too serve in They must have a specious pompous sumptuous Religion with additionalls of Temporall Greatnesse Authority Negotiation not withstanding they know better then I what Fathers Schoolmen Counsells are against their mixing themselves in secular affaires This Romane ambition will at length bring in the Romane Religion and at last a haughty insolence even against supreme power it selfe if it be not timely and wisely prevented They have amongst them and Apothegm of their own making which is No Miter no Scepter when we know by deare experience that if the Miter be once in danger they care not to throw the scepter after to confound the whole kingdome for their interest And histories will tell us that whensoever the Clergy went high Monarchy still went low if they could not make the Monarch the Head of their own faction they would be sure to make him lesse witnesse one example for all the Popes working the Emperour out of Italy Some of ours assoone as they are Bishops Adepto fine cessat motus they will preach no longer their office then is to governe but in my opinion they govern worse then they preach though they preach not at all for we see to what passe their government hath brought us In conformity to themselves they silence others also though Hierome in one of his epistles saith that even a Bishop let him be of never so blamelesse a life yet he doth more hurt by his silence then he can do good by his example Master Speaker It now behooves us so to restrayne the Bishops to the duties of their function as they may never more hanker after heterogenious extravagant imploiments Not be so absolute so single and solitary in actions of moment as Excommunication absolution ordination and the like but to joyn some of the Ministery with them further to regulate them according to the usage of ancient Churches in the best times that by a well temper'd government they may not have power hereafter to corrupt the church to undoe the kingdome When they are thus circumscrib'd and the publique secur'd from their eruptions then shall not I grudge them a liberall plentifull subsistence else I am sure they can never be given to hospitally Although the calling of the Clergy be all glorious within yet if they have not a large considerable outward support they cannot be freed from vulgar contempt It will alwayes be fit that the flourishing of the church should hold proportion with the flourishing of the Common-wealth wherein it is If we dwell in houses of Cedar why should they dwell in skins And I hope I shall never see a good Bishop left worse then a Parson without a Gleabe Certainly Sir the superintendencie of eminent men Bishops over divers Churches is the most primitive the most spreading the most lasting government of the Church Wherefore whilest we are earnest to take away Innovations let us beware we bring not in the greatest Innovation that over was in England I do very well know what very many do very servently desire But let us well bethink our selves whether a popular democraticall government of the Church though fit for other places will be either sutable or acceptable to a Regall Monarchicall

hath no heart no head no soule that is not moved in his whole man to look upon the distresses the miseries of the Common-wealth that is not forward in all that he is and hath to redresse them in a right way The King likewise is reduced to great streights wherein it were undurifulnesse beyond inhumanity to take advantage of him let us rather make it an advantage for him to do him best service when he hath most need not to seek our owne good but in him and with him Else we shall commit the same crimes our selves which we must condemn in others His Majestie hath clearly and freely put himselfe into the hands of this Parliament and I presume there is not a man in this House but feels himselfe advanc'd in this high Trust But if he prosper no better in our hands then he hath done in theirs who have hitherto had the handling of his affaires we shall for ever make our selves unworthy of so gracious a confidence I have often thought and said That i● must be some great extremity that would recover and rectifie this state And when that extremity did come it would be a great hazard whether it might prove a remedy or a ruine We are now Master Speaker upon that verticall turning point and therefore it is no time to pall●ate to foment our owne undoing Let us set upon the Remedy We must first know the disease But to discover the diseases of the state is according to some to traduce the government yet others are of opinion that this is the halfe way to the cure His Majestie is wiser then they that have advised him and therefore he cannot but see and feele their subverting destructive counsells which speak lowder then I can speak of them for they ring a dolefull deadly knell over the whole kingdome His Majestie best knowes who they are For us let the matters bolt out the men their actions discover them They are men that talk largely of the Kings service have done none but their own and that 's too evident They speak highly of the Kings power but they have made it a miserable power that produceth nothing but weaknesse both to the King and kingdom They have exhausted the King's revenue to the bottome nay thorow the bottome and beyond They have spent vast summ●● of money wastfully fruitlesly dangerously so that more money without other counsells will be but a swift undoing They have alwayes peremptorily pursued one obstinate pernitious course First they bring things to an extremity Then they make that extremity of their own making the reason of their next action seaven times worse then the former and there we are at this instant They have almost ●poil'd the best instituted government in the world for Soveraignety in a King liberty to the Subject the proportionable temper of both which makes the happiest State for power for Riches for duration They have unmanerly and slubburringly cast all their proiects all their machinations upon the King which no wise or good ministers of State ever did but would still take all harsh disrastfull things upon themselves to eleare to sweeten their Master They have not suffered his Majestie to appear unto his people in his owne native goodnesse they have ecelipst him by their interposition although grosse condense bodyes may obscure and hinder the Sun from shining out yet is he still the same in his own splendour and when they are removed all creatures under him are directed by his light comforted by his beams But they have framed a Supercilious-seeming Maxime of State for their own turne that if a King will suffer men to bee torne from him he shall never have any good service done him when the plaine truth is that this is the surest way to preserve a King from having ill servants about him And the divine trueth likewise is Take away the wicked from the King and his throne shall be established Master Speaker Now we see what the sores are in generall and when more particulers shall appeare lot us be very carefull to draw out the cores of them not to skin them over with a slight suppurating festring cure lest they presently breake out againe into greater mischiefs Consider of it cousult and speake your mindes It ●…th heretofore been boasted that the King should never call a Parliament till he had no need of his people These were words of division and malignity The King must alwayes according to his occasions have use of his peoples hearts hands purses The people will alwayes have need of the King's clemency justice protection and this reciptocation is the strongest the sweetest union It hath been said too of late that a Parliament will take away more from the King then they will give him It may well be said that those things which will fall away or themselves will enable the Subject to give him more than can betaken any way else Proiects and Monopolies are but leaking Conduit pipes the Exchequer it selfe at fullest is but a cisterne and now a broken one frequent Parliaments onely are the fountaine and I doe not doubt but in this Parliament as we shall be free in our advises so shall we be the more free of our Purses that his Maiestie may experimentally finde the reall difference of better councells the true solid grounds of raysing and establishing his Greatnesse never to be brought againe by God's blessing to such dangerous such desperate perplexities Master Speaker I confesse I have now gone in a way much against my Nature and somewhat against my custome beretofore in this place But the deplorable dismall condition both of the Church State have so far wrought upon my iudgement as it hath convinc'd my disposition Yet am I not Vir Sanguinum I love no mans ruine I thank God I neither hate any mans Person nor envy any mans fortune onely I am zealous of a thorow reformation in a time that exacts that extorts it which I humbly beseech this House may be done with as much lenity as much moderation as the publique safety of the King and kingdom can possibly admit Concerning Money to the SCOTS Master Speaker IT will become us thankfully to acknowledge the prudent and painfull endeavours of my Lords the Peeres Comissioners in treating with the Scots in mediating with the king whereby God assisting we are how probably drawing neare to a blessed peace His Maiestie in his wisdome and goodnesse is graciously pleased to give his Royall Assent to their Acts of Parliament where in the articles of their assembly are like wife included Insomuch as their Religion their Lawes their liberties are ratified and established Besides their grievances rehev'd and redress'd for which we use to give the King money and are still ready to do it This although it be a large yet it is not received as a full satisfaction Before they came into England they publish'd in a Remonstrance that they would take nothing of the English but what they