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A19895 D. Bancrofts rashnes in rayling against the Church of Scotland noted in an answere to a letter of a worthy person of England, and some reasons rendred, why the answere thereunto hath not hitherto come foorth. By I.D. a brother of the sayd Church of Scotland. Davidson, John, ca. 1549-1603. 1590 (1590) STC 6322; ESTC S120565 11,848 34

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D. BANCROFTS RASHNES INRAYLING AGAINST THE CHVRCH OF SCOTLAND NOTED IN AN ANSWERE TO A LETTER of a worthy person of England and some reasons rendred why the answere thereunto hath not hitherto come foorth By I. D. a brother of the sayd Church of Scotland EX MVLTIS PAVCA AT EDINBVRGH PRINTED BY ROBERT VVAL DE-GRAVE ANNO. 1590. A PROOFE OF D. BANCROFTS RASHNES AGAINST THE CHVRCH OF SCOTLAND MEN of anie sound iudgemente good Sir that hard or read that declamation made at Paules Crosse the 9. of Februarie 1588. in time of Parlament by RICHARD BANCROFT D. of Diuinity and chaplaine c as he will needs be styled and afterward enlarged by him and set forth in print may easily perceiue that small regard had to godly edifiyng by the right cutting of that worthy text of Scripture Beleeue not euerie Spirit c. 1. IOHN 4. 1. which then hee tooke to entreate he made the whol drift of his speach to serue his intended turne for a bitter inuection against the godlie brethren of Englande who vrge Reformation of that Churche and chiefly the remoouing of that heauie bondage of Antichristian gouernment by loftie Lordes wrongfully called Bishops an hurtfull relicke of Romish confusion restoring in the place thereof the ioynt administration of Christian Discipline by the Ministers and Elders of the Churche which is most clearely prooued by them and others to be established by the word of GOD to continue to the comming of the Lord Iesus Christ whose godly endeuours when for a while he hath laboured to improoue after his maner hee leaueth the matter in question at last altogeather and setteth himself against theyr persons and trauaileth with tooth and naile as they say to bring them into extreame hatred with the supreme Magistrate as men who by this their new gouernment so it pleaseth him to speake of it intend no les matter then hie Treason and rebellion by ouerthrowing her Majesties authority in Ecclesiasticall causes and highly derogating thereby to her supreamacie in that case to the apparant indangering of her person and state in the end except good order bee taken with the matter in time Then the which what can bee more odiously affirmed and more woorthy of extreme punishment if it be true But how doth he prooue all this geare I pray you euen from his owne feare forsooth which riseth vpon his falsly coniectured suspicions without al groundes of truth to wit that as outlandish meanes practises haue bene traiterous and rebellious in erecting and establishing of this new gouernement as he speaketh so hee feareth that they who so exactly and with such hoat persuit follow the outlandish preceptes in this case will fall to the same meanes in England pag. of his book 83. 84. and least his credite should come in question for abusing his auditors with vntruthes in this matter he wil not seeme to speake any thing without his warrand and therefore finding nothing to charge the good breethren at hoame withall in this case such is the mercy of GOD toward them that the very aduersarie himselfe seeking matter of accusation against them can finde no hole in their coat doe his best but by his vnwilling silence is compelled in a manner to iustifie their dewtifull modestie in seeking Reformation hitherto Not being able then I say to finde any thing against the brethren of Englande in this case for otherwise they shoulde haue heard of it ye may bee sure he raungeth abroad and as a stranger curious in an other Commonweale making choise especially of Scotland hee setteth vpon it with al his maine assuring himself of sure proof of his purpose from thence Pag. 72. In doing whereof as he most outragiously vpbraideth our whole Ministerie Christian Discipline of our church with a cartful of calumneis vtered against them both So he cannot refrain himselfe from most reprochfull slaundering of the K. Majestie himselfe as after shal be seen and disdaineful contemning of the whole inhabitants of the land A perrilous practise whose Chaplaine so euer hee be against the happie amitie between the two Realmes especially now in these daungerous daies wherein our common peace is so highly indangered aswel by the domesticque male-contens and conspirators at home as by the forraine detected enemy abroad good men in the meane time pillers as it were and chiefe intertainers thereof daily waxing fewer and fewer in both the lands Neuerthelesse so egar is the man in the matter that before hee will not bring his stick to the fire he will not spare to speake euil euen of those things which he knoweth not and verye boldelye though most rashly builde vppe an vglie heape of most slanderous accusations against our sayde Church and that vpon the false testimonies of the friuelous reports of other mē and chiefly of two the very bare naming of whom where they are knowne is sufficient ynough of it selfe to discredit whatsoeuer is alleadged in their names For as touching the former of them corruptlie and falslie called Bishop of S. Androis it is much better that the legend of his leud life bee buried in eternall obliuion then that Christian eares should bee polluted with the vnsauorie mention thereof Although it is not hard to gesse the whole course of his proceedings as a Lyon may bee knowen by his clawes by one spe●iall action For what will that man be ashamed to doe that durst father his owne forgerie vppon the Lords lieuetenant the K. Majestie himselfe and that in a matter of no lesse importance then the declaration of the meaning of some acts of Parliament which howbeit it was but his own declaration as his Majestie hath plainely witnessed by his own hand writ yet extant to be seene and not the Kings Yet durst he bee bolde to giue it out in the Kinges name as though hee had beene the verie vndouted author therof If this be not to play the falsarie forger that in the hiest degree let the Chaplain himself be judge But here hee will replie that this is but our Ministers affirmation who saith hee page 75. dare say what they list Otherwise as the declaration is the Kings so as for the King he is not altered Ictus piscator sapit c. Whereby he will not only haue that counterfeit and bastard declaration bound on the Kinges backe whether he will or not But before it shall not be so he dare be bold in the same page aboue cited to charge his Majestie with deepe dissimulation while in effect he affirmeth that howbeit the king by his writing speaking and actions would seeme to approoue the present exercise of that same discipline which so flatly is condemned in that foresaid declaration yet hee doth not approue it in hart because saith the Chaplaine hee is not altered to wit from that thing which he would haue him to haue set downe in that declaration flat contrary to his present practise allowing it after al the waies foresaid In the which saying
not sufficient to beare downe PAVLE as a seditious mouer of the people because he professed preached and followed Iesus of Nazaret whom the Iewes most iniustly wickedly slewe as a seditious person and blasphemer by the meanes of two subborned false witnesses Why should the good brethren of England that seeke reformation be charged with a mind hereafter of sedition by the meanes of Discipline because the Church of Scotland in respect of the same Discipline exercised in it is vniustlie condemned of sedition by the hie Priests of our daies two false witnesses being alleaged for that purpose by their TERTVLLVS at Pauls Crosse I see no reason why they should Let not the comparison be odious because I compare not the persons in themselues but in the causes which haue their own likenes agrement in some proportion I haue insisted the more in this matter bicaus your cause and ours are most neer linked togeather For the aduersaries would terrifie her M. frō admitting of christian discipline within her realm for fear of like inconueniences to fal out therby to her quiet gouernmēt which are falsly alledged to haue fallē out by the same to our K. state How be it it be not good logicke to charge the good cause of discipline with any infamy by reason of the faults of the Ministers fauourers thereof yea euen put case they were sufficiently proued seeing that is but a sophisme from the person to the cause as they say How much lesse then ought it to be condemned when the aduersaries ar not able do their best to blot euen the persons by accusing of whom they labor to cōdemne the cause But I perswade my selfe that all this their paralogizing and false maner of reasoning shal helpe them and hurt vs as little in the ende as the sophistry of REHVM and his companions beyond the riuer helped their cause hindred the bulding of the Temple as the smooth Rhetoricke of TERTVLLVS preuailed not against PAVLE no more shall their course alwaies preuaile against the good cause in Englande Wherefore let GAI and ZACHARIAS do their parts faithfully and without fainting exhort al men acording to their callings to further this holy building not doubting but God in his time shall mooue DARIVS fully to authorise the building of Ierusalem howbeit through the injury of these daies men may bee forced to leaue of building for a season And let PAVL stand stoutly to the defence of his iust cause saying confidently Neither can they prooue the thinges whereof now they accuse me Act. 24. 13. And TERTVLLVS his maintainers shall finde themselues disappointed and PAVL by little and litle shal grow to some greater liberty and his cause shall preuaile in the end But nowe let vs come accordinge to your desire to the causes why that declamation of D. BANCROFTS so far as concerning Scotland is not answered wherein howbeit I am not to prejudge the church of Scotland yet for your further satisfaction I haue thought good to set downe the causes of the delay so far as euer I coulde learn or perceiue And first you may be assured that it was not for lacke of habilitie in the meanest of a thousand in Scotlande to haue confuted that calūnious chartale fraughted with as many lyes almost as it hath lines that it was not answered howsoeuer it pleaseth som of your grand DD. very learned men ye may be sure if they be not far deceued reprochefully to point out some of our wel approoued brethren and especially one by the note of like an vnlearned yea then a very vnlerned Scot Whome yet notwithstanding they neuer hard nor sawe more then D. BANCROFTE did heare and see the Church of Scotland and the things wherewith most rashly hee doth charge it But who is so bold as they say as blind bayard Yet if any ARISTARCHVS among them hath taken occasion of the writing of anye brother here so to speake let it bee judged by the learned what iust cause he had so to do I doubt not but he shalbe found to haue had litle learning and lesse conscience in so doing which is spoken not so much for the Apology of any man at this time as to note the disdainefull contempt of these hauty persons For he must be of very rare learning as not a few can beare me witnes in whom this sort for I speake not of all of the generation of Bishopists will acknowledge any learning to be if once directlie and seriously he oppone himselfe to their pride For as there is nothing wherin they commonly boast them selues more then in the beard shew of learning as thogh who forsooth but they onely So is there no shaft that oftner flieth out of their bag against others then the boult of lack learning Howbeit if it were not for auoiding of vncomly and vnchristian rendering of reproch for reproch it were no hard mater shortly to decipher the profound science of those two especially who were chief authors of that reproch to let thē vnderstand of what form classe among the learned learned men indeede did euer esteeme them to bee notwithstanding all the windye volumes written by them For Scribimus indocti doctique c. Howbeit yet I deny not so much knowledge vnto them otherwise as shall bee a witnes against them if they vse it not better as might profit the Church in some measure if they had grace to imploy it to the right end But to returne to our purpose as the answer was not delaied for lacke of sufficient qualified men amongest vs for that for a greater purpose God be praised if need be so it was thought needles superfluous here amongst our selues where the truth of those things alledged in that Pamphlet were so clearly known as there needed no other confutation of them then the shamelesse impudencie of themselues And as for the answere in respect of others it was delaied first as I take it for auoiding of vnhappy contention that is woont to arise vppon suche occasions wherby it might haue come to passe that daungerous alteration might haue bene wrought betweene the two Realmes as a godly and wise man of yours commending the discretion of our mē in that case did not conceal in a letter written to som of good account in our Countrey not long ago For the firebrand of selfeloue and great ardency of men in defending their owne sayings doings whatsoeuer suffereth thē not many times so much to regard the truth and peace of the church as their own stincking estimation whereof there is too great proofe in manifolde lamentable examples aswell of antiquity as of our own daies both far and neer to the timely admonition of vs all if aduisedly we consider of the counsaile of gods spirite saying The beginning of strife is as one that openeth the waters therefore or the contention be meddled with leaue off Which howbeit more fitly it may be applied to