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england_n	bishop_n	church_n	communion_n	2,865	5	8.8002	4	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A65034	A vindication of the late reverend and learned John Owen D.D. by a friendly scrutiny into the merits, and manner of Mr. Rich. Baxters opposition to twelve arguments concerning worship by the lyturgy, said to be Dr. Owens / by a hearty friend to all good men, and of the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace.	Hearty friend to all good men.	1684 (1684)	Wing V511; ESTC R38395	31,983	42

three-fold respects much less that he hold That all that incorporate with them in those respects do therefore Confederate with them in their Errour The third Premise to which you answer is here before the Readers Eye in which the Errour must be found or no where And if all the Eyes in the World with the help of the most enlarging spectacles can find it there I am content to forfeit mine own I beseech you Sir doth the Author hold or any man breathing that to incorporate with a Christian Kingdom under one King is to Confederate with them in their Errour But in your numeration finding this the fourth Errour I bethought my self that the last was branded with the second Errour but do what I could I found the fourth Errour next succedding to ehe second and no such thing as a third Errour with his mark on nor without it In short Sir if you will bear with a very small criticism you mistold the third Errour and told the fourth very much amiss I cannot like this manner of inflaming such reckonings I proceed to the fifth marked Errour of which you say p. 9th Errour 5. It is therefore another of your mistakes that owning the Parish-Churches and Worship is an owning of the present Diocesan Constitution By the way I will tell my Reader that though many have believed and stifly affirmed otherwise I never found any of your Words or Printed Works countenancing the Form of a Diocesan Church or a Prelatical Hierarchy I do not here determine of the Rectitude or Errour of it But I say it here because the Errour charged or the charging of it as such hath some influence from the fore mentioned hint But to the purpose I must say Sir that the matter of subject of this said Errour hath some relation to the Authors premise for a Diocesan Constitution is a part of the present Constitution of the Church of England But for the Predicate which must contain what makes the Errour if there be any I can find no more of it than in the fomer in all the words you say are the Author's premise I beseech you Sir doth he say a word here of owning Parish-Churches and Worship or do Parish-Churches taken strictly in our Ecclesiastical sense find the Form or Name of a Church Do you not know that only the Bishop is the Pastor all other Priests or Ministers but Curates And if we try the strength of your therefore by which you prove it an Errour it will amount to little more It is this But I further distinguish between the many parish-Parish-Churches and the Diocesan and the Church of England as constituted of such Diocesan Churches The Old Non-conformists commonly owned the parish-Parish-Churches and the Church of England as made up of such but not the Diocesan This they openly professed It is therefore a mistake c. I did not expect such manner of disputing from Mr. B. You distinguish contrary to the Civil and Ecclesiastical Laws and Constitutions and the Old Non-conformists commonly owned your distinction which distinction is a nulling of the Diocesan Church from which the Parochial is not only distinguished but separated It is therefore an Errour c. Is this proving per notiora or obscuriora And all amounts to this The Doctor or Author hold that Errour which you cannot find the sense of in the Premise and you prove it by such Arguments to be an Errour if it were there that none will take for unquestionable or at least unquestioned Verities and therefore this fifth Errour may be wiped off with the former Also it is your mistake to say VI. Err. that Communion by the Liturgy is the symbol and pledge of the foresaid Incorporation into the Church of England in its present Constitution In the matter and form of this I acknowledge you come nearer to the Authors words than I have usually found tho not without some difference But before I proceed I must take leave to distinguish a little of Communion thus 1. Communion by the Liturgy is either very rare it may be but once or twice or so This I do not take to be a symbol of the said Incorporation nor can you give any proof that it was the Authors meaning 2. Or it may be considered as constant and such taken strictly I know none or very few that practise 3. Or an ordinary Communion such as is more frequently than with any or all other Churches contradistinct from the Church of England And this practice I think ought to be understood as the Authors meaning And so understood it will be hard for you to prove it is not such a symbol You endeavour to prove it thus The Rulers openly declare that they take multitudes to be none of their Church who joyn in the Liturgy I answer What Rulers do you mean Civil or Ecclesiastical Who or how many of them or when and where did they declare this so openly or secretly either Do they not own all the Kings Subjects of England to be of their Church if baptized and not excommunicated Yea to the very Dissenters de jure and that they are straglers from the Fold they belong to Therefore they first admonish then excommunicate them if contumacious Your Argument therefore from the Rulers is but dark gratis dictum And I have prov'd it a mistake You tell us next what is the Symbol And it is subscribing declaring and swearing Obedience which is the Symbol These are all your own words and not one added A Symbol I little expected from so learned and intelligent a person c. The Symbol you give here is the Symbol of the Clergy or men in Orders I hope you are not come to this on a sudden that only the Clergy are the Church and if this be the Symbol or badge of a Member incorporated into the Church of England and no other what becomes of the poor Laity You have not forgotten sure that all this debate hath been if not of the Communion of the Laity only at least of meer Lay-Communion You add Yea they excommunicate many that come to the Liturgy-service Some I confess but not very many supposing the Office of the Communion to be part of the Liturgy they come unto And I shall add that when they are excommunicate they come not or more unwelcom till they be declared absolved And I believe I may now have my intelligent impartial Readers suffrage to send this Errour after its fellows Next Task is to consider these Three Errours which are all in a file which thus in short you express VII Err. You mistake when you say It is so by the Law of the Land VIII Err. You mistake again when you say It is so by the Canon IX Err. You mistake when you say It is so in the common understanding of all You put me almost to a stand to come thus fast upon me I begin to bethink my self If you or I be not mistaken in the nature