August lib. 3. cont Petilian c. 16. Pag. 55. l. 24. c. Pag. 55. lin 4 5. c. Vntruth 109. We doe not condemne them to hell Parents corrupt religion not to be followed Ezech. 18.14 Errors of simplicitie in times of ignorance by Gods mercie pardoned Iohn 9.41 Lib. 4. de baptism ca 5. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Pag. 56. Pag. 57. Pag. 58. Pag. 61. Pag. 62. How farre we are bound to our predecessors for benefites receiued by and from them 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Vntruth 110. Vntruth 111. Acts of Parliament examined falâ—ely alleaged by the Apologist Vntruth 112. Vntruth 113. Vntruth 114. Vntruth 115. Vntruth 116. Vntruth 117. Vntruth 118. Vntruth 119. Vntruth 120. Vntruth 121. Westmâ—n 2. ca. 41. Edw. 1. ann 13. Aedificia coruÌ„â—cclesiis vendicentur Cod. lib. 1. tit 12. l. 11. Honor. ☞ Theodos. Popish hierarchie vsurpeth places of the Church 1. Cor. 9.11 1. Sam. 2.35 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The third proofe What power Protestants yeeld to Princes in causes ecclesiasticall Vntruth 122. Vntruth 123. Vntruth 124. Synops. contr 7. qu. 1. par 3. Fox pag. 143. Princes ciuill and morall vertues do not iustifie their religion Sozomen lib. 4.15 Math. 15.14 The whole Christian world not deceiued Generall Councels may erre Bellar. lib. 1. de concil ca. 7. Iud. 9.48 Epistol 30. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The fourth proofe Answ. to sect 6. Fox pag. 122. ca. 1. Popish legend miracles Fox pag. 125. col 2. Fox ibid. Ex histor Iornalens Fox p. 129. Stow an 757. Sigebert a cruell tyrant Stow an â—16 Of the cure of the Queenes euill Stow in Edward Confessor Ex Suetonio Cure of straÌ„ge diseases amoÌ„g Paganes 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Plutarch quaest Graec. 50. Serm. 18. in Psal. 119. Hieron de vir perfect Vntruth 125. Vntruth 126. Vntruth 127. Falsificat or vntruth 117. Ex histor Iornalens Fox pa. 159. Monasteries built for redemption of soules Fox pa. 279. Stow ann 179. Auncient Kings of England dissenting from the Church of Rome ann 664. Fox pa. 123. Fox ibid. col 2 lin 8.9 Ann. 880. Pag. 144. Ann. 996. Fox pa. 1142. Fox pa. 147. to pag. 151. Histor. Iornalens in vit Edgar Ann. Edw. 3.38 c. 1 2. Rich. 2. ann 13. stat 2. c. 2. Henr. 4. ann 9. c. 8. King Henries purpose to reforme religion Fox pag. 1291. Fox pag. 2091. Pag. 2092. Pag. 2093. Pag. 2095. Queene Elizabeths troubles and dangers in her sisters time Fox p. 166. c. 1. The King sweareth not by relickes at the Coronation Genes 24.2 Genes 31.53 Ambros. contr Symmach Homer Iliad â— Vntruth 128. Vntruth 129. Vntruth 130. Vntruth 131. Vntruth 132. Vntruth 133. Vntruth 134. Vntruth 135. Vntruth 136. De incarnat ca. 5. Psal. 132.14 Math. 4.19 De ciuitat Dei lib. 18. ca. 23. Lâ—â—quet Rome often taken and sacked since it was Christian The great miseries and calimities of Rome Hieron ad Principium SecuÌ„dum computationem Lanquet Cooperi 2. Thessal 2.8 Deâ—ad 1. lib. 2. Coâ—peri chrâ—ni anno 455. Blondus dec 1. lib. 10. Cooperi Chronic ann 738. Lanquet anno 414. Anno 460. Cooperi anno 701. Anno 755. Lanquet anno 769. Ann. 773. Anno 525. Ann. 6â—6 Ann. 963. Anno 966. Anno 995. Anno 1053. Cooperi Chronic ann 1009. Fox pag. 988. Why the Pope in times past so much preuailed Opâ—scul tripartit lib. 2. cap. 11. The causes of the ouerthrow of the Greeke Empire Cooperi anno 778. Opuscul tripartit lib. 1. cap. 2. Vntruth 137. The miserable end of Popes Ex Platinae Functio Balaeo de act Roman pontificum Ex Balâ—o Platina Functio c. The short raigne of Popes Fox pag. 134.170.394.675.778 edition 1583. Caranza Concilior sum 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Vntruth 138. Bucanan lib. 5. reg 54. Cooper an 646. Vntruth 139 Bucanane vntruly reported lib. 5. reg 52. Cooper an 630. Vntruth 140. Conestaggius lib. 3. de reb Portugall Munster lib. 4. c. 5. Vntruth 141. Munster lib. 4. c. 3. Vntruth 142. Lanquet chron ann 1060. Ann. 1098. Fox pag. 341. Fox pag. 343. Fox pag. 348. Vntruth 142. Vntruth 143. Chron. Cooper ann 920. Vntruth 144. Cooper an 995. Vntruth 145. Lanquet ann 1106. Ann. 1108. Hieronym Mâ—â—ius Petr. de vineis Platin. in Innocent 4. Lanquet ann 1254 Vntruth 146. The ruffling of Popes against Emperours Caus. 15. qu. 6. c. alius Caus. 15. qu. 6. c. 5. Naucler Vitae pontific Bull. Adrian Vntruth 147. Iudg. 9. 1. King 16.9 Vntruth 148. Demonst. 2. artic 9. Lib. 2. aduers. Iouinian Vntruth 149. a Ex Jllyric de vocabul fidei b Carion fol. 250. c Fox p. 2106. Vntruth 150. Fox pag. 2112. col 1. Vntruth 151. Bucanan lib. 13. Fox pa. 127â— col 1. Vntruth 152. Vntruth 153. Beda lib. 3. histor gent. Anglor c. 1. Beda lib. 2. c. 20 Lib. 3. c. 9. Lib. 3. c. 18. Vntruth 153. Fox pa. 119. Fox pag. 161. Vntruth 154. Fox pag. 152. col 1. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Cod. lib. 4. tit 20. leg 9. Gratian Vntruth 155. Stow anno VVillel 20. Stow. A notable benefactor euill requiâ—ed Stowe Ex Math. Parisiens Fox pag. 185. Fox pag. 189. Stowe Vntruth 156. Fox pag. 191. col 1. Cooper Fox pag. 199. col 1. Vntruth 157. Fox pag. 185. col 1. Vntruth 158. Fox pag. 228. col 2. Histor. de regib Angl. Stowe Vntruth 159. Fox pag. 227. col 1. Stowe Cooper Ann. 1174. Vntruth 160. Vntruth 161. Stow in King Iohn Caxton lib. 7. Gisburâ—e Cooper in King Iohn Stow in Henry the second Vntruth 162. Stow in Henry the third Lanquet in Henry the 3. Vntruth 163. Stowe in Edward the 2. Lanquet anno 1320. annoâ—387 â—387 1397. Vntruth 164. Vntruth 165. The vnhappie end of Princes deuoted to the Pope Ex Aenea Siluio in histor Bohem. Fox pag. 741. col 1. Fox pag. 180. Lanquet anno 1080. Fox pag. 2112. Ex histor Iornalens Stowe Fox pag. 111. Stowe Fox pag. 132. Stowe ex Asserio Stowe Stovv Lanquet Rich. 2. ann 2. c. 7. Stovv Lanquet Fox pag. 523. col 1. Stovv Lanquet Stovv ex Thom. Mor. Fox pag. 29â— Ed. 1. anno 7. Kings of England prosperous that bent themselues against the Pope Ed. 1. ann 25. Ed. â— ann 25. Fox pag. 1071. col 1. ex orat Dom. Radulp. Saâ—ler The prosperitie of Queene Elizabeths raigne The vaine hope and expectations of Papists made frustrate Psal. 118 23. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Popish Bishops what learned Clarks Fox pag. 949. Fox pag. 1266. col 2. Fox pag. 1274. Lib. 7. in Lucam 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Pag. 81. Pag. 82. Vntruth 165. The Lord Cromwell defended Stowe anno Henric. 32. Fox pag. 1069. col 1. Fox ibid. Vntruth 166. The good Duke of Sommerset defended Fox pag. 1372. col 2. Vntruth 167. Fox pag. 1408. col 1. Vntruth 168. Visions of Deuils not strange in Poperie Ioannes Stella Platina Ioann Baleus Math. Parisiens Flores histor Sleidan lib. 23. Vntruth 169. The commendation of worthie
so confusedlie hudled together that the paines are greater to marshall them into any good order then to answere them The same part he playeth here heaping vp many things disorderly and carying all along before him as with a violent streame of words Like as Theocritus was wont to say of Anaximenes 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 now beginneth the flood of words and but a drop of wit first I will examine his accusation of errors and bring it into some order vsing still his owne words That is no true Church or Religion wherein many heresies and infidelities raigning are condemned and disclosed P. 6. lin 17.24 But among the Protestants many heresies and infidelities haue beene condemned and disclosed which raigned among them Ergo c. First if the proposition were true then should not the Church of the Corinthians haue beene the Church of Christ among whom there were diuers heresies according as S. Paule said vnto them There must be heresies among you that they which are approued may be knowne 2 By the same reason the Pagane Idolaters might haue condemned the Christians because there did spring vp among them farre more sects diuisions and heresies then among the Gentiles whereof Augustine sheweth the reason Non praeferant nobis quasi concordiam suam hostem quippe quem patimur illi non patiuntur Let them not tell vs of their concord for they feele not that enemie whom we suffer Quid illi lucri est quia litigant aut quid damni quod non litigant What should it profite Sathan if they were at strife or what hindrance were it if they contend not eos vnum licet sentientes possidet he possesseth them though in vnitie de vtilitat ieiun tom 9. In like sort it were not to bee maruelled at though Papists were not deuided for Sathan seeing them to agree together in a false religion hath no neede by other meanes and engines to winne them But where he seeth the true faith and doctrine to be receiued there he bestirreth himself by sects schismes and diuisions to hinder the growth thereof 3. I pray you which is more like to be the true Church that which condemneth heresies that they do not raigne among them as the Protestants haue done or that which suffereth and endureth them as the Popish Church tolerateth Iewes Paganes Mahometanes Maranes The Popish Church doth not onely suffer but practise Iudaisme for euery yeere their vse is to consecrate a Paschall lambe in Missal Roman in fine Vnder Adrian the 6. Demetrius an idolatrous Grecian when the pestilence raged in Rome was permitted vnder the Popes nose Pestilentiae placando numini taurum immolare to sacrifice a bull to appease the Goddesse pestilence Paul Iouius lib. 21. in fine And as for the Marani being driuen out of Spaine they were receiued in Rome by Pope Alexander 6. much against the minde of King Ferdinandus Onuphr in eius vita And at this day in Spaine that abominable sect aboundeth That Church then is rather to be reprooued which tolerateth such prophane enormities then that which condemneth and restraineth them As the Church of Ephesus is commended for hating the workes of the Nicolaitanes Reuel 2.8 but the Church of Thyatira is rebuked for suffering the woman Iezabel that named her selfe a Prophetisse Reuel 2. vers 20. 4. These are contradictorie and repugnant speeches for heresies at the same time to raigne and to be condemned for in that they are condemned and disclosed it is euident that they raigne not for where heresie raigneth it is approoued not condemned Thus much of the proposition Secondly let vs see the probations of the assumption 1. This vnhappie age saith he hath hatched more errors he meaneth among the Protestants then euer any age or generation did in the schoole and regiment of Christ c. p. 5. lin 26.27 Ans. 1. Though he could shew more errors to haue risen in this age yet shall hee neuer prooue them to haue been hatched fostred or nourished by the Gospell or the doctrine thereof 2. Neither can it be iustified that more errors and heresies haue been inuented in this age then in any before for within the space of two hundred yeers after Christ more then an hundred grosse errors were broched In these latter times the heresies that are be neither in number so many setting some diuersities in opinion aside which are no heresies nor yet of so great weight and the most of them are but the old heresies reuiued 2. He bringeth his second proofe from our historians from the Records and Registers of London Norwich from the first protestant Synode c. wherin so many heresies are condemned c. pag. 6. Ans. 1. Our historians make mention that ann Edward 6.4 1551. that Ione Butcher was brent for heresie that Christ tooke no flesh of the Virgine Marie and ann Elizab 3. 1561. as hee noteth in the margin one Iohn Moore was whipped for making himselfe Christ and one William Geffrey for saying he was the Disciple of Christ till they both confessed that Christ was in heauen Will you from hence conclude that the Church of England is no true Church because it punisheth heretikes and phantasticall spirits S. Paul may as well fall vnder your reproofe for excommunicating Alexander and Hymenaeus which had made shipwracke of the faith 1. Timoth. 1.20 and for condemning the heresie of Philetus and Hymenaeus 2. Timoth. 2.17 But this obiection of Ione Butcher condemned for heresie among Protestants might well haue been spared by this Ignatian Frier if he had remembred the like practise or course of one William Postell in France a brother of his owne order with an old superstitious beldame called Mother Iane concerning whom he writ a booke called The victorie of women wherein he maintained that as Christ died for man so his mother Iane was sent of God to saue women and that the soule of Iohn Baptist was transfused into her This wicked woman for these impieties was burned aliue by the sentence of the Parliament of Tolosa But her diuellish instructer escaped which had been more worthie of that punishment Now whereas we are referred to our Chronicles anno 1554. which was the 2. of Queene Mary if his meaning be to impute all errors and heresies that spring vp to the Church where they begin this instance toucheth the popish Church then flourishing it tendeth not to Protestants disgrace If hee send vs to the storie of one Elizabeth Croft there mentioned by Stow which counterfeited a spirit speaking in a wall and vttered diuers words against the Queene the Masse and confession c we can requite this narration with a like storie of another Elizabeth sirnamed Barton a Nunne called the holie maide of Kent in King Henry the 8. his raigne which faining her selfe to be in a traunce as though she had been inspired of the holie Ghost spake diuers things against the King and his proceedings inueighing
Diuine all such then being depriued by the consent of vnlearned noble men Knights of shires c. enacted and decreed matters of religion For it is notoriouslie knowne that during the Parliament ann 1. Elizab. there was a conference and disputation held at Westminster betweene nine of the Popish Clergie Bishops and Doctors with as many of the Protestant Doctors and Diuines whereof one was a Bishop which disputation was broken off by the frowardnes of the popish disputers that wilfullie refused to obey the order appointed Neither as yet when matters of religion were treated of in Parliament were the popish Bishops depriued for the Archbishop of Yorke was then of the Councell and the Bishops of Winchester and Lincolne were not committed to the Tower but vpon their disobedience and contempt of authoritie in violating the prefixed order of the disputation And it is also euident that the acts which passed ann 1. Elizab. had the consent of the three estates of the realme as may appeare by the stile of them We your said most louing faithfull and obedient subiects representing the three estates of your realme in England And it is certaine that diuers learned Diuines were consulted with concerning the affaires of the Church as these reuerend men Scorie Coxe Whitehead Grindall Horne Sands Elmer Iewell with others the meanest of them farre more learned honest godlie then your Parliament diuine Storie who vttered this phranticke speech in the Parliament house that while they laboured about the sprigs they should haue striken at the roote c. with other mad words but he himselfe was happelie not long after rooted out and spued out from the earth as an vncleane thing wherefore there was more then the consent of the vnlearned c. to the things then enacted What a fardell now of lyes hath this glozing Frier bundled vp he hath vttred as many leasings as scribled lines he runneth along and maketh haste as though the truth could not ouertake him as Cypriane saith ita scelera festinant quasi contra innocentiam festinatione praeualeant impietie by haste thinketh to preuaile against innocencie I may compare this fellowes reports as Saleucus did the Locrensian lawes to a spiders webs a flye falling in was taken but a waspe did escape so his sillie and credulous disciples may be entangled with his talke but the discreet reader will deride his follie and breake his snares The third Perswasion I Defend that religion which all most learned and vertuous men of the whole Christian world twentie times gathered together in generall Councels haue euer concluded out of holie Scriptures which many thousands of nationall and prouinciall Synodes c. all Vniuersities Colledges Schooles lawes of all Christian Princes spirituall and temporall haue decreed c. The Disswasion 1 HE had said more trulie that the most vnlearned and vitious men of the world haue approued their religion not the most learned and vertuous which is an idle and fabulous speech Many of the Popes haue been most vnlearned Alphonsus saith Constat plures Papas adeo illiteratos fuisse vt grammaticam penitus ignorarent It is euident that some of the Popes haue been so vnlearned that they were ignorant of their Grammar The like ignorance hath raigned in times past not onely in the Popes but in the whole court and citie of Rome Arnulphus said openly in the Councell of Rhemes Cum hoc tempore Romae nullus sit vt fama est qui sacras literas didicerit c. Seeing there is none at this time in Rome as the fame is that hath studied the sacred scriptures with what face dare any of them teach vs that thing which they neuer had learned And such as was the citie of Rome the whole papall Clergie and priesthoode was not vnlike as what great learning their Massepriests had it may appear by that Canon where mentiō is made of a Priest that baptized In nomine patra filia spirita sancta such as was their latine such was their doctrine both barbrous false 2 Now what vertuous and holie men your Popes haue bin who are the great patrones of the Romane religion it may easily be seene whereas that Sea hath afforded in great numbers 1. Sorcerers such were Iohn 12. Benedict 8. Benedict 9. Gregory 6. Siluester 2. Gregory 7. Paulus 3. with others 2. Murtherers as Clemens 5. Vrbane 6. Iohn 23. Sixtus 4. Alexander 6. Paulus 3. 3. Adulterers as Innocentius 8. Alexander 6. Leo 10. Iulius 2. Iulius 3. Some incestuous Iohn 23. accused in the Councell of Constance that he had knowne his brothers wife Alexander 6. with his owne daughter Lucretia Paulus 3. with his owne sister committed vncleannes Nay these vnholie fathers haue not bin free from the touch of the vnnaturall sinne of Sodomie as Iulius 2. Iulius 3. Sixtus 4. Alexand. 6. Many of them haue been Atheists as is declared before 3 As true it is that all vertuous men haue approued Poperie Of the like truth is the next glosse that they haue 20. generall Councels of their side whereas Bellarmine himselfe numbreth but 18. generall orthodoxall and allowed Councels and fiue of them Lateran 1. Lateranens 2. Lugdunens 1. Lugdunens 2. Viennens are not extant and how then can it be knowne what they decreed 4 He telleth vs also of many thousands of nationall and prouinciall Synodes whereas he is not able to produce one thousand nor yet much aboue one hundred of such Synodes the generall excepted And of all these Synodes generall or particular Oecumenicall or prouinciall where he can shew one for poperie we will bring forth three against it and of all their Canons and Decrees we will vndertake to alleage three to one that shall testifie with vs against them 5 He may be ashamed to say that all Vniuersities haue decreed with them whereas both the Vniuersitie of Oxford gaue publike testimonie of Iohn Wickliffe his sound doctrine and honest life and publikely in the Vniuersitie of Prage his positions were defended by Iohn Husse And King Henry had the iudgement of ten Vniuersities that his mariage with his brothers wife was vnlawfull which notwithstanding was dispensed with by Pope Iulie 2. and ratified by Clement 7. And at this present God be thanked the Protestants haue as many Vniuersities if not more on their side in Germany Denmarke Heluetia the Lowe countries England Scotland and other nations then the Romanists haue for them 6 The Imperiall lawes Prophets Apostles Euangelists holie and learned Fathers Historians Synods Councels Lawes Martyrs Confessors all which this shamelesse popeling boasteth of are against them as hath been sufficientlie proued in more then 300. questions in controuersie betweene the Protestants and Papists 7 Yea he blusheth not to say that their religion is ratified by Sybils and Rabbines before Christ whereas in verie deede they are both
so ample in iurisdiction that no temporall Prince Christian or Infidell no professor of regiment in ecclesiasticall causes c. was by many degrees possessed of so large a regiment 8. Our priuate Priests the most reuerend and learned fathers of the societie of Iesus are honoured of the greatest Princes in the world c. The disswasion 1. NEither doe I defend that religion that diuideth the militant and triumphant Church in robbing God of his honour in giuing it to Angels and Saints against their wils who refused to bee worshipped here in earth as the Angell of Iohn and Peter of Cornelius And therefore God requireth no such honour to be giuen vnto them so that as our Sauiour saith of Moses There is one which accuseth you euen Moses in whom ye trust euen so the Angels and Saints shall be witnesses and accusers of popish superstitious worshippers who honour the creature in steed of the Creator But the religion which Protestants professe and I defend doth make but one familie in heauen and in earth Ephes 3.15 ioyning them together in an holie societie and communion we in earth giuing thankes for them whom God hath deliuered from these terrene miseries and they longing to see vs also with the whole Church to be made partakers of their ioy As Cyprian saith Magnus illic charorum numerus nos expectat parentum fratrum filiorum de salute sua securi de nostra solliciti A great number of our friends doth there looke for vs of our parents brethren sonnes secure of their saluation and sollicitous for ours Other entercourse betweene the Church militant and triumphant there is none neither of our prayers to them that were superstitious for the Lord saith Call vpon me in the day of trouble and I will deliuer thee Psal. 50.15 nor of their help and assistance to vs that were superfluous God is able alone and sufficient to defend his Church as the Angell saith None holdeth with me in these things in the defence of the Church but Michael your prince which is Christ. Dan. 10.21 2. Which doth not that wrong to the faithfull departed to thrust them downe into the extreame paines of purgatorie which they say exceede all the paines of this life when as the Scripture saith that they which dye in the Lord doe from thencefoorth rest from their labours and all teares are wiped from their eyes They neede not therefore any reliefe from the liuing being in ioy and happines 3. Which doth not make any representation of Christ by Images for wee are commaunded not to corrupt our selues in making any grauen image or representation of any figure Deuter. 4.16 Neither doth it presume to offer vp Christ in sacrifice as the Papall priesthood doth because the Scripture saith that Christ doth not offer himselfe often but he appeared once to put away sinne by the sacrifice of himselfe And with one offering hath hee consecrated for euer them that are sanctified But our religion prescribeth the holie Sacrament of the bodie and bloud of Christ to bee vsed according to his institution in his remembrance as our Sauiour himselfe saith Doe this in remembrance of me Whereupon it was thus concluded and resolued in a generall Councell Ecce viuificantis illius corporis imaginem totam panis scilicet substantiam quam mandauit apponi Behold the whole or all the image of that quickening bodie the substance of bread which he commaunded to be vsed We haue then no other commemoration or representatiue image of Christ but onely the Sacrament celebrated according to his owne institution As for blasphemous swearing by instruments of our redemption though too many among Protestants are addicted to that euill custome yet he might haue bin ashamed to obiect it to vs knowing how common a thing it is among Papists to sweare as it appeareth by their own Synode which thus complaineth Quo colore nunc consuetudo passim iurantium in omni negotio excusari possit non videmus With what colour the custome of such which sweare vpon euerie occasion can be excused wee see not Those sacrilegious oathes to sweare by the Masse by the crosse nailes bodie bloud of Christ his wounds by S. Peter S. Anne S. Mary and the rest where els had they their beginning but in Poperie Yea it seemeth that swearing by such is not onely vsuall among them but commendable also for one Sanpaulinus for reprouing one of swearing was suspected to be a Lutherane and thereupon further examined sifted condemned and burned at Paris ann 1551. 4. It is also vntrue that there is no consecration or distinction of callings among vs for both Bishops haue their consecration from the Metropolitane with his Suffraganes and Ministers their ordination from their Ordinaries by imposition of hands which ought to be and is assisted with other Presbyters The Prince doth not challenge any power or authoritie of the Ministrie of any diuine offices in the Church or to conferre orders or consecration but onely by the Letters Patents conferreth the temporalties of Bishoprickes the Metropolitane with his assistance consecrateth as other Patrones present to benefices and the Ordinarie instituteth And this hath been the ancient vse and custome of England and prerogatiue of the Crowne that licence should be demaunded of the King to chuse and his royall consent to be had after election made as it is euident in diuers ancient statutes 5. As for the Papall Hierarchie it is altogether imperfect and out of order 1. The office of the Pope is iniurious and Antichristian taking vpon him to haue iurisdiction and prerogatiue ouer all other Bishops contrarie both to the Scriptures which gaue vnto all the Apostles the same authoritie and to them al the keyes were equallie committed and power to binde and loose Mat. 18.18 And to the Canons for Nicen. 1. can 6. parilis mos the like custome and iurisdiction is decreed to the Patriarke of Alexandria as to the Bishop of Rome Chalcidonens action 16. equall priuiledges are yeelded to Constantinople which is called new Rome as to old Rome The like may be shewed out of the eight first generall Councels The offices of Archbishops and Bishops as wee condemne not absolutely when they are vsed not as titles of ambition but as holesome meanes to preserue vnitie as they should be exercised among Protestants so in the Papall policie wee mislike them being but the Popes creatures and fit props to vphold his Antichristian and vsurped power But concerning your seuen orders of Priests Deacons Subdeacons Acolythists Readers Exorcists Doorekeepers wee hold them as superfluous and vnnecessarie seruices The Apostle sheweth that Christ hath giuen some to be Apostles some Prophets some Euangelists some pastors some teachers for the gathering together of the Saints for the worke of the Ministrie for the edification of the bodie of Christ c. If these bee sufficient to
and caue in that extremitie This victorious Prince greatly repented with teares at his death of all his outragious deedes commaunding all his treasure to be distributed vnto Churches poore folks and Ministers of God and made a large confession of his sinnes before his death with an eloquent exhortation to his sonnes and Nobles forgiuing all men and opening all prison doores to them which were there detained what reason then had this Popish pickthanke so ill to requite this Prince so great a benefactor to the Papall professors Concerning the punishments noted to haue befallen this Prince as the great famine in his daies and of the breaking of his entrailes and the deniall of buriall the first was a iudgement rather vpon the whole land being by conquest made desolate then vpon him that did conquer it the second is no rare thing for a man by the leaping of his horse ouer a ditch to breake the rimme of his bellie as this Prince did for the third true it is that a gentleman forbad his buriall because it was taken by violence from his father where the Duke had founded the house of S. Stephen This wrong was done not for any priuate gaine but for the erection of that Church which the Papists count a meritorious work and yet the gentleman was compounded with and the bodie peaceably interred These were neither such extraordinarie iudgements and whatsoeuer they were might be laid vpon him for his transgressions not for his disobedience to the Sea of Rome But hath not this Popes hireling shewed great thankfulnes to such a liberall benefactor and principall founder who augmented enlarged nine Abbeys of Monks and one of Nunnes in Normandie and in whose time 17. Monasteries and 6. Nunries were builded as he himselfe confessed vpon his death-bed whom the Bishop of Ebroike commended in his funerall sermon for his magnificence valour peace and iustice Among many other this brabler had least cause to take exception against this valiant Duke 2. Concerning William Rufus 1. his resisting against the Pope was iust and vpon good ground because of his vnsatiable exactions alleaging this reason Quod Petri non inhaerent vestigijs praemijs inhiantes c. That the Popes follow not Peters steps gaping for bribes neither haue they his authoritie not imitating his sanctitie 2. Whereas he would not suffer Anselme without his licence to goe or appeale to Rome but for his stubborne behauiour banished him the King therein alleageth the custome of the land from his fathers time and all the Bishops tooke part with the King against Anselme 3. The death of William Rufus being slaine by the glaunsing of an arrow shot by one Tyrell as the King was hunting in the new forrest is noted by historians as a iudgement of God vpon him for his oppression As Richard an other sonne of William the father was slaine in the same forrest which he had made plucking downe Churches and dis-peopling towneships 30. miles about It was not then the Kings restrayning of the Popes vsurping but his own vsurping vpon other mens possessions that might be thought to incense the diuine wrath against him 3. It is also vntrue as this dreamer surmiseth that Henry the first could not be quiet in conscience till he had restored the Ecclesiasticall he meaneth Papall libertie for he reformed the too great libertie and licentiousnes of the Clergie and seemed little to fauour the vsurped power of the Bishop of Rome neither would suffer any Legate to come from the Pope vnlesse by himselfe required Beside he obtained of Calixtus the 2. that he might vse all the customes vsed before of his forefathers in England 4. Whereas this fabler affirmeth That neuer any Gouernor before King Henry the 8. challenged any such prerogatiue of supremacie except in the inuestiture of Bishops pag. 74. lin 20. This is a notable fiction as may appeare by the words of William Rufus to Anselme The custome sayth he from my fathers time hath been in England that no person should appeale to the Pope without the Kings licence He that breaketh the customes of the realme violateth the Crowne and power of the Kingdome 5. Neither is it true that such troubles befell Henry the 2. for his disobedience to the Bishop of Rome as forreine warres and busines abroad and the rebellion of his owne children at home But these troubles are by the best historians imputed to other causes as some make the originall thereof to be his refusall to take the protection of Hierusalem against the infidels being humblie sued vnto by Heraclius the Patriarke who in his Oration to the King foretold of the plagues like to ensue Others affirme that the King was punished for his licentious life for he was a great wedlocke breaker keeping a famous concubine called Rosamond after whose death he deteyned the daughter of Lewes King of France married to his sonne Richard and kept Ellanor the Queene in prison twelue yeares Neither is it true that after 〈…〉 reconciled to the Church of Rome that 〈…〉 but they rather then began for the 〈…〉 vpon his oath of the death of Thomas 〈…〉 certaine conditions from the Pope 〈…〉 of his raigne and immediately after followed 〈…〉 with his sonne Henry ann 1173. and with the Flemings and Scots ann 1174. of his raigne ann 20. or after others ann 22. It is therefore vntrue that the same day of his reconciliation the Earle of Fâ—anders retyred and the next day after the King of Scots was taken prisoner Neither immediatly vpon this reconciliation of the King were his sonnes reconciled and he himselfe restored to his pristine tranquillitie of mind and bodie for his sonnes Henry and Geffrey raised warre against their father againe ann 30. of his raigne and shot at him pearcing his vppermost armour though some semblance there had been before of their submission to the King And afterward in the 35. yeare of Henries raigne his sonnes Richard and Iohn leuied an armie against their father who for sorrow thereof dyed whose dead corps at the comming of Richard bled abundantlie at the nose thereby strangely accusing his vnnaturall proceedings against his father 6. Neither was King Iohn punished because he had controuersie with the Sea of Rome as is pretended for after he was released of his excommunication and absolued which was in the 15. yeare of his raigne and the land released of the interdiction which had continued 6. yeares then began his cruell warres with the Barons and Lewes the French kings sonne ann 17. 18. notwithstanding that the Pope tooke part with the King and excommunicated the Nobles and last of all he was poisoned by a Monke of Swinsted The cause of this strife betweene the King and the Barons is alleadged for that he would not vse the lawes of S. Edward And some part of his trouble may well be imputed to his stubborne
Sir Francis Walsingham Stowe ann 28. Regin Elizabeth Fox pa. 996. col 2. Fox pa. 178â— col 1. Lib. de cur pro mortuis c. 3. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Vntruth 169. Vntruth 170. Popish religion a dishonour to Princes Platina Ex Auentino Ex Chronic. vâ—rnac Stow. Lanquet The ambition of Popish prelates Of Bennets order Of the Popish Archbishops of Canterburie Fox pag. 394. to pag. 396. Popish Archbishops of Canterburie traytors to their Prince Ex Chronic. S. Albani Ann. 21. Rich. 2 tit 16. Fox pag. 440. Fox pag. 588. 641. Stovv Fox pag. 396. col 2. Stovv Ambros. in oâ—it Valentin Epistol 79. A great sclander of Luther Vntruth 171. A diuelish sclander Vntruth 172. Heapes of lyes and vntruths many 173. Vntruth 174. Vntruth 175. Vntruth 176. Epist. ad frat inferior lib. de potestat secula lib. contr Turc lib. de captiuitat Babylon Luthers opinion of the warres against the Turks Ex Ioann Sleidan lib. 3. Traiterous conclusions of Iudasites Reply to the Manifestat fol. 66. pag. 2. Protestants not bound to all Luthers opinions or sayings Answ. to Apolog pag. 608. Lanquet ann 1534. Fox pag. 1247. art 2 3. Tyndals opinions iustified Fox ibid. Fox pag. 1248. art 18. Fox pag. 1250. art 18. How the faithfull are not vnder the law Fox pag. 1189. Fox pag. 1418. col 1. Stow ann 1547 Fox pa. 1408. col 1. Cod. lib. 4. tit 20. leg 8. Constantin Ad Pammach aduers. Ioann Hierosolymit 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Vntruth 177. Vntruth 178 Vntruth 179. How Magistrates lawes bind in conscience Synops. cont 4. qu. 7. part 1. Faith iustifieth alone but must not be alone Tit. 3.8 The law of precontracts whether in force A great vntruth Matth. 5.32 except for fornication and Matth. 19.9 Whether mariage after diuorce for fornication be lawfull Caus. 33. qu. 2. c. 9. Ambros. in 1. Cor. c. 7. Cod. lib. 4. tit 20. leg 8. Constantin 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Vntruth and sclaunder 180. The number of Parishes in England Stowe Stow 5. Elizab. Restraint of mariage against the ordinance of God Isay 40.13 Plutarch Laconic apophthegmat in Lycurgo Procreation of children Gods blessing 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Forced chastitie mischieuous to a common wealth Fox pag. 860. col 1. Fox pag. 862. col 1. Praefat. Bal. ad librum de actis Romanor pontific Super Cantic serm 66. Plutarch sympos 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Szegedin in specul 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Plat dial 5. de Republic Cod. lib. 4. tit 20. leg 9. Gratian Vntruth 181. The Apologists loose calculations and simple countercasting discouered Fasting not neglected among Protestants Hieron ad Nepotian The manner of popish fasting Parsons Manifestat fol. 4. pag. 2. Ministers progenie not burdenous to the land Of raysing of subsidies 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Pag. 99. Ministers good subiects A wicked â—â—ander and â—ntruth 182. Vntruth 183. Popish traiterous positionâ— and practises Manifestat fol. 13. pag. 1. Replie fol. 66. pag. 2. Caus. 33. qu. 6. de poenit c. 1. Innocent 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Vntruth 182. Vntruth 183. Vntruth 184. Vntruth 185. Vntruth 186. Vntruth 187. Vntruth 188. He hath such an intent Vntruth 189. Vntruth 190. It is great disobedience Vntruth 191. Vntruth 192. The disloyaltie of Iudasites and Masse-priests Parsons Manifestat f. 13. p. 1. Replie to the Manifestat fol. 66. pag. 2. Ed. 3. ann 25. ca. 2. Popish priesthood much differing from the auncient priesthood Socrat. 1.5 Theodoret. 5. â— Theodor. 5.33 Ex libro Iornalens Fabian Iesuit catech lib. 2. ca. 16. To acknowledge a forrain Potentate is a treasonable act Elizabeth ann 27. c. 2. Difference betweene the state of England and other countries and free cities Parsons Manifestat f. 16. p. 1. Priests replie fol. 40. pag. 2. Iesuit catechism li. 2. c. 7. Iesuit catechis lib. 3. c. â—â— Lib. 3. ca. 13. ibid. Sutclif de Turcopapis lib. 1. ca. 8. Manifestat fol. 67. pag. 2. Iesuites position and doctrine Iesuit Catechism lib. 3. ca. 21. Ibid. Replie to Manifestat fol. 66. pag. 2. Iesuit catechis lib. 3. ca. 18. Princes chiefe in causes Ecclesiasticall Cod. lib. 1. tit 4. leg 1. leg 3. Toletan 3.2 Matisconens in fine Toletan 4.58 Toletan 8. Toletan 12. Appeales to Rome not to be suffered Fox pag. 1229. Cod. lib. 4. tit 20. leg 10. Honor. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Vntruth 19â— Vntruth 19â— Vntruth 195. Vntruth 196. Vntruth 197. Vntruth 198. Vntruth 199. Vntruth 200. Stow in Henriâ— 8. Praefat. ad 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Manifestat fol. 57. par 1. The Pope equalized in largenes of iurisdiction Nicen. 1. c. 6. Riches and externall glorie no good argument of religion Popish religion derogatorie to God Stovv The Pope a mouer not a compounder of warres Ex Platina caus 15. qu. 6. c. Iuratos Ex Mario Fox pag. 252. Lanquet anno 1262. Ex Chronic. Thom. VValsingham The Popes intolerable exactions Fox pag. 370. Matth. Paris anno 1215. Ex â—od anno 1247. Anno 1â—57 In Praefat libel Steph. Gardiâ— A Florence is foure shillings sixe pence starling Caxton lib 7. Stovv anno Henriâ— 8.30 Iesuit catechis lib. 3. ca. 6. Ibid. ca. 20. pag. 204. Abuse of popish coÌ„fession Lateranens concil part 50. cap. 21. Caus. 30. qu. 1. ca. 10. Protestants denie not restitution 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Of the Abbeys relieuing of beggers Of the bestowing of Abbey lands Fox pag. 843. col 1. Of the hindrance of Merchants traffike 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Vntruth 201. Abbeies builded to a superstitious end Ex histor Malmesbur Fox 149. col 1. VV. Malmesb. Decr. Gregor lib. 3. tit 45. c. 1. Vntruth 202. Fox pag. 157. col 1. Fables of incorruptible bodies Stow in VVill. Conquerour Iesuit Catechis lib. 1. c. 17. Of the superstitious choice of Monasticall life Menauinus de religion Turcar c. 2. VV. Malmesb. lib. de reg Vntr. 203.204 Ex histor Malmesbur Of popish holie and vertuous Nunnes Stowe Fabianâ— Ex historia Malmesbur Vntruth 205. Of Italian and Spanish fashions in apparell Ad Furian Vntruth 206. Mariage more honorable among Protestants then Papists Sclaunder 207. Fox pag. 157. Popes concubines Luitprand Platina Sleidan lib. 21. Guicciardine Agrippa de vanitat scient cap. de lenocinio Saâ—seuinus Luitprand Marullus Volaterr geograph Guicciard Bastardie not rare in poperie Manifestat fol. 97. pag. 2. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Hieron Ocean 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Of raysing of fines cutting downe of woods c. Plentie and abundance no good argumeÌ„t of religion 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Vntruth 208. Vntr. 208. the Iudasites are all these and not Ministers Vntruth 209. The place maketh not the man 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Answere to the third and fift section Fox pag. 1874. Multitude of popish Saints to be suspected 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Manifest fol. 25.6 fol. 26. a. Ibid. Fol. 25 a. Manifest 107. a. Replie fol. 102 a. fol. 105. a. Manifest fol. 108. a. fol. 112 a. Manifest fol. 97.6 1. Cor. 6. Math. 23. Hieron serm de resurrect Manifest fo 105. a. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Vntr. 210. Vntr. 211. Vntr. 212. Vntr. 213. Vntr. 214. Vntr. 215. Vntr. 216. Fox p. 1865. Fox p. 1874. Fox p. 1418. col 1. Fox p. 1575. col 1. Stow. Augustin breuiat collation 3. Fox p. 395. Aâ—n 21. Ric. 2. titul 16. Fox p. 394. p. 395. Fox p. 156. col 2. Ex Hector Crikeladens Fox p. 117. Fox p. 395. Fox p. 120. Stow in Richard 2. Wil. Malmesbury de vitiâ— lib. 1. Fox p. 1139. Fo. 396. col 1. Act. 14.17 Senec. declamat 2. Plutarch quaest Rom. q. 73. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Vntr. 117. Vntr. 118. Vntr. 119. Vntr. 120. Crat petilian lib. 2.38 Tigur Argentine Fox p. 448. Tidentin sess 4. decr 2. De primat Rom. eccles tom 1. Concil Distinct. 82.2 Iosua 24. v. 15 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 vntr 221. vntr 222. vntr 223. vntr 224. Manifest fol. 4. lâ—b Repl. f. 72. â— Crat. Petilian 2.89 Manifest p. 97.2 Deut. c. 30.13 14. Lib. 1. de Tranquil vitae 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. Plutar. de curiosit Ad Saluinum 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Cod. lib. 4. tit 1. leg 13. Cod. lib. 4. tit 1. l. 3. Diocletian Caus. 4. qu. 3. c. 3. Lib. 1. de tranquillit vitae Hieron ad Rusticum 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Lib. de sui laude Vntr. 225. Protestants iustifie not whatsoeuer Luther hath written Hom. 25. in Luc. Luthers tentations Luthers constancy Dialog 1. aduers. pelagian 2. Sam. 16.6 Lib. 2. ad Serenum 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Vntr. 226. Vntr. 227. Vntr. 228. Vntr. 229. The Popes intollerable exactions A florence is 4. shillings 6. pence Legatio Adriani 6. excus Wittemberg 1538. Fox p. 860. Iesuits fasting and chastity Hieron regul monachor 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Lib. 1. de Concil c. 5. Synops. pap s. Popish maner of disputation Act. 7 5â— Act. 17.18.32 Augustin breuit collation collat 3. diei Ex Egidio Hunnio 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Popish vaine brags of their disputations 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Hieron Occano vntr 230. vntr 231. The long captiuitie of Protestants in time past The Protestants Iubile The Popes â—â—bile Dan. 5. Virgilius 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Diuision and enmitie among popish Princes and kingdomes 2. Chron. 15.5 Lib. 3. de spir cap. 18. Fox p 736. cap. 1. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Popish religion reconcileth not to God nor to the Saints Dialog 2. aduers Pelagian 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Hierom. ad Theophil 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Orat. in Auxent 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉
being conuinced by ecclesiasticall lawes condemne them or if they know them and can not by punishment bind them they do for the peace of the Church beare them 2 Whereas there are fiue Protestants brought in complaining of corruptions among thē fiue times fiue popish writers might be alleadged that with open mouth haue cried out against the filthie abuses of the Sea of Rome some of them let vs heare speake in their owne words Adrianus 6. confesseth In sancta sede aliquot annis multa abominanda fuisse omneque malum à culmine pontificis manare That many abominable euils haue been some diuers yeeres in the holie Sea and that all mischiefe hath flowed from the pontificall throne Gulielmus Holcot calleth them Sacerdotes Priapi Dagonis angelos abyssi The Priests of Priapus of Dagon the Angels of the bottomlesse pit Petrus de Aliaco Ad hunc statum venisse ecclesiam vt non sit digna regi nisi per reprobos That the Church is come to that passe that it is not worthie to be gouerned but by the reprobate Budaeus Pontifices Roman crapula luxu spurcissim libidinibus c. pessimum quemque superare That the Bishops of Rome in gluttonie riot filthie lusts doe exceede the worst men that are Luitprand Aulam pontificis factam esse prostibulum meretricum That the Popes Court is made a stewes of harlots Agrippa thus writeth of Sixtus 4. Lupanaria vtrique veneri erexit Cardinalique cuidam masculae veneris vsum certis mensib indulsit He erected brothell houses for both kinds of men and women and graunted to a certaine Cardinall the vse of masculine venerie for certaine moneths Huldericus Augustan Plures non tantum adulteria stupra fornicationes verum etiam incaestus peccata contra naturam commisisse That many haue committed not only adulteries whoredom fornications but also incest and sinnes against nature Ambros. Ausbertus Archidiaconi à presbyteris adulteris pretium accipiunt Archdeacons doe take a fee of adulterous Priests Lateranens sub Leon. 10. sess 11. In some places they which haue ecclesiasticall iurisdiction Pecuniarios quaestus à concubinarijs percipere non erubescunt Are not ashamed to make a money gaine of Priests keeping concubines Ann. 1565. After a view taken there were foūd 28. thousand Courtezās or strumpets in Rome and the Pope taketh a yeerely rent of them Marescallus Papae de facto exigit tributum à meretricibus The Popes Marshall doth exact tribute of the strumpets And what great holines is exercised in Rome these verses do testifie Roma vale satis est vidisse reuertar Cum leno aut meretrix scurra Cinaedus ero Now farewell Rome it is enough thee for to see I will returne when bawd or whore or buggerer I meane to bee And such as is the sanctitie of that Sea of the same disposition are the rest for in Italie this name Christian is a word of derision taken for a foole or idiot Such like prophanenes Hierome noteth of some in his time Vbicunque viderint Christianum statim illud de triui◠〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Graecus impostor As soone as they see a Christian behold say they a Greeke deceiuer Now what familiaritie that Sea hath with Sathan and how neere they are to diuels incarnate themselues shall beare witnesse for thus the secular priests doe write of Parsons Now all Catholikes must depend vpon the Archpriest and the Archpriest vpon Fa. Garnet and Garnet vpon Parsons and Parsons vpon the Diuell So Parsons as summus pontifex or iudge paramont in earth vnder the diuell of hell The whole order of Iesuits they call the barbarous and sauage generation of Belials broode a most seditious infamous pragmaticall treacherous diabolicall faction Neither is Frier Parsons behinde with his part charging the Priests with hellish hatred serpentine tongues diuels enuie diuellish deuice What better testimonie then from their own lips what more pregnant witnesse then from themselues And now to make vp the Friers mouth I will conclude with a storie out of Christianus Massaeus who thus reporteth that anno 1491. the diuels began to inhabite and possesse the Monasterie Dominarum Quercetensium of the Quercetensian Nunnes whom foure yeeres and foure moneths they miserably vexed And thus wee see in part that prophecie in the Reuelation to be fulfilled that Babylon is become the habitation of Diuels and the hold of foule spirits How say you now Frier R. where are the Epicures Atheists adulterous and vncleane persons and diuels incarnate to be found in greater abundance then in the bosome and lap of your Babylonish Church the mother of fornications It is a simple part in an aduersarie to obiect that to another which reboundeth vpon the accuser as Aeschylus saith 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Hee might better haue bit his lip then vttered these words or forged this accusation But I will prooue saith he those which giue this euidence of the rest to be worst of all themselues pag. 27. lin 2. As though it were an hard matter to shew this Libeller which is supposed to be of the Ignatian order by the sentence of their secular Priests in Machiauillan practises to be well exercised vnlesse he be vnlike all the rest of that faction But as Augustine saith to Iulian Ista communia quae dici ex vtraque parte possunt quamuis veraciter ex vtraque parte dici non possunt de medio si placet auferamus Those common matters which may be obiected of either side though not truly of each part let vs take if you will out of the way And concerning the licentious life and euill manners of diuers in the reformed Churches which giue the enemie cause to blaspheme their holie profession though I doubt not but they are more wicked that herein vpbraide the Protestants I pray God giue grace to all degrees and sorts of men amongst vs that as the Apostle saith they may behaue themselues honestly toward those which are without that they which obey not the word without the word may be wonne by our conuersation And as Hierome well saith Nos modò id agamus vt male de nobis loqui nemo sine mendacio possit Let vs doe this that no man may speake euill of vs vnlesse he lie THE ANSWERE TO THE THIRD Section How neither errors nor abuses among Protestants proceed by disunion from the Pope Catholike Church SOcrates being demanded why he wrote nothing answered 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Because I see the paper is worth more then the things I should write The same I may more truly say of this section that it is not so much worth as the paper which it hath blotted with many bold vaine and vntrue assertions and if I might be so bold as vse their owne words as many lies as lines 1. He calleth himselfe a Catholike subiect of England
pag. 11. lin 16. his meaning is that he is halfe a subiect as he is English to the Prince as he is Catholike to the Pope for if hee be a Iesuite that thus writeth how can they bee faithfull subiects which call these positions wicked pernicious erronious hereticall trayterous that the Pope hath no authoritie to restraine punish or force by way of armes either by himselfe or others any temporall prince for heresie Apostasie c. that if the Pope attempt any such matter he may bee resisted by Catholike subiects that if they should know of any designement or treatise of the Pope by way of force in England they would reueale the same Thus these popish Iudasites count those heretikes and traytors that are not traytors to their Prince From this ground haue proceeded these diabolicall not theologicall conclusions resolued vpon at Salamanca 7. of March 1602. concerning the inuading of Ireland 1. That the Catholikes in Ireland may fauour the Earle of Tyrone in his warres and that with great merite and hope of euerlasting reward 2. All Catholikes sinne mortallie that take part with the English against Tyrone 3. They are in the same case that helpe the English with any victuals 4. The Catholikes of Ireland that fight against the Queene are by no construction Rebels To these Articles subscribed the Popish Diuines and preachers Iohn de Sequenza Emmanuel de Royas Iasper de Mena Peter Osorio Loe these are the Iesuited Catholike subiects of England If he be a secular Priest that thus professeth himselfe a Catholike subiect he shall giue vs leaue also to doubt of his obedience and loyaltie for what profession soeuer they make of their faithfull seruice and subiection to the Princes Maiestie I feare me their hearts are not sound For whereas the Priests are charged by Parsons to say that the Pope hath no authoritie by way of force or armes immediatly or by others to restraine punish or represse any temporall prince for heresie c. they vtterly renounce this position and call it a spitefull collection They say further that the Popes indirect authoritie in temporalibus in temporall things is not called in question neither is the power of deposing of princes examined And whereas Parsons laboureth to proue that although the Pope directly haue no temporall dominion or iurisdiction ouer Christian temporall princes c. yet indirectly for conseruation and defence of religion c. he may also vse the sword or helpe of temporall forces either immediatly from himselfe or by other princes at his direction c. The Priests to this answere that they labour about a matter not in controuersie So then it is their opinion that although the Pope not as a Bishop or Ecclesiasticall person yet as a temporall Prince may depose Kings and inuade kingdomes Then it is to be vehemently feared least that this should be their euasion that if the Pope should make an inuasion they would obey him though not as a spirituall Prelate yet as a temporall Prince I may therefore here say with Hierome Non bonae suspicionis est cum in eodem sensu verba dissentiunt It is no good suspition when as in the same sense the words differ For this cunning circumlocution of words bewrayeth a diuers sense May we not now thinke that these Catholike subiects are like vnto the Popish Bishops in King Henry the 8. his time that professed themselues good subiects to the king and yet were obliged by oath to the Pope swearing in this manner Their counsell to me credited by them their messengers or letters I shall not willingly discouer to any person the Popedome of Rome the regalities of S. Peter I shall helpe and retaine and defend against all men the rights honours priuiledges authorities of the Church of Rome of the Pope and his successors I shall cause to be conserued c. I shall not be in councell treatie or any act in the which any thing shall be imagined against him or the Church of Rome their rites states honours c. if I know any such to be moued I shall resist it to my power c. Let any man now iudge whether any taking this oath to the Pope could be good subiects to their Prince no more can they that stand for the regalities priuiledges and iurisdiction of the Church of Rome as both Priests and Iesuites doe for ought I can see 2. He calleth this the decaying and withering age of the Protestants pag. 11. lin 18. It is strange to see how bold and confident these vaine people are that notwithstanding God hath hitherto subuerted all their trayterous deuices and made frustrate their vaine hope yet they doe flatter themselues in their purposes and doe expect an encrease of their kingdome and a decay and extirpation of the Gospell The Priest he dreameth that Priests may be raised vp out of our owne Vniuersities and from among the Ministers themselues But Parsons himselfe saith that this is a reason to be laughed at But the Iesuite is yet more bold God will at his time appointed most certainly restore the realme of England to the Catholike he meaneth Popish faith And againe We shall not finde that difficultie and resistance by the grace of God in England which good men doe finde in other countries for bringing in of any reformation that is attempted Yea he taketh vpon him to prescribe what his Catholike Prince shall doe when he hath him and how he shall demeane himselfe toward his Nobilitie Indeede we will goe thus farre with Frier Robert that God at the time appointed may restore c. But wee verely trust that no such time is appointed or shall euer come and by the grace of God as they haue found I thinke more difficultie hitherto to plant Popish religion in England then in any other countrie so shall they finde still And concerning his Catholike Prince whom Parsons stil meaneth to be the Catholike King of Spaine or some to bee brought in by him I will answere him with their owne Priests words God forbid that time should euer come neither doe I trust in God it euer shall And that it may yet further appeare what a vaine hope is hatched in their breasts first during her Maiesties daies they had small reason to looke for reiuing of superstition whose constant resolution and setled iudgement against al mixture or toleration of contrarie religion we al were perswaded of while she liued they needed not to doubt her Maiestie her selfe had professed in the late Proclamation not long before her peaceable departure to the comfort of all her subiects And the Iesuite himselfe further confesseth that there is no hope that the King of Scotland now our Soueraigne Lord King of England Scotland France and Ireland will be a Catholike which the whole Church of England beleeued before and now to their great comfort seeth and with thankes to Iesus Christ acknowledgeth