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A30021 Battering rams against New Rome containing a farther discovery of the grand hypocrisie of the leaders and teachers of the people called Quakers : together with a publick challenge to meet G. Fox, G. Whitehead, W. Penn, and S. Cater to prove matters of fact : to which are added some queries propounded to their Protestant hearers who are not of G.F.'s party / by Francis Bugg. Bugg, Francis, 1640-1724? 1691 (1691) Wing B5366; ESTC R3241 31,746 32

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your selves But let me a little examine this Charity of yours and see upon what Bottom it stands You say you have declared against Fighting and that the Kingdom of Christ doth not allow His Servants to fight and that you do not look upon it lawful for Christians in this Gospel-Dispensation to fight with a Carnal Weapon in any Case whatsoever But as for the Encouragement you have given others to fight you do that Ad Hominem Upon their own Pretensions viz. Oliver Cromwell his Army and Officers pretending it lawful to fight therefore and thereupon you encourage them to fight saying O. C. Thou shouldst have invited all Nations upon Earth that are against Popery to come in and join with thee against Popery for thou hast had Authority Stand to it lose it not nor abuse it nor let any other take thy Crown Let thy Soldiers go forth with a free willing Heart that thou mayest rock Nations as a Cradle c. Counsel and Advice rejected p. 36 37. Geo. Fox Also see Geo. Roff's Book entituled The Righteousness of GOD c. p. 11. a few Words to O. C. To thee Oliver Cromwel thus saith the LORD I have chosen thee amongst the Thousands of the Nations to execute My Wrath upon My Enemies and gave them to thy Sword with which I fought for the Zeal of My own Name and gave thee the Enemies of My own Seed to be a Curse and a Reproach for ever and made thee an Instrument against them And many have I cut down by My Sword in thy Hand that My Wrath might be executed upon them to the utmost Geo. Roff. What! Could you thus write and thus encourage O. C. his Army and Officers to fight and that from the Word of the LORD and at the same time believe it to be unlawful for Christians to fight with a Carnal Weapon in any Case whatsoever O gross Hypocrisie What! Does the Word of the LORD contradict the Kingdom of Christ Are they divided You say the Kingdom of Christ doth not allow His Servants to fight and you believe it utterly unlawful for Christians to fight yet you say to O. C. Let thy Soldiers go forth with a free willing Heart that thou mayest rock Nations as a Cradle Again you say Thus saith the Lord I have chosen thee O. C. amongst the Thousands of the Nations to execute My Wrath upon My Enemies and gave them to thy Sword with which I fought for the Zeal of My own Name c. Also in another Letter of Geo. Fox's to O. C. it is thus said O Oliver hadst thou been faithful and thunder'd down Deceit the Hollanders had been thy Subjects and Tributaries and Germany had given up to do thy Will and the Spaniard had quiver'd like a dry Leaf the King of France should have bowed under thee his Neck the Pope should have withered as in Winter the Turk in all his Fatness should have smoak'd Thou shouldst not have stood trifling about small things but minded the Work of the LORD As He began with thee at first sober Men and true Hearts took part with thee Oh! take heed and do not slight such lest thou weaken thy self and not disown such as the LORD hath owned Thy Dread is not yet all gone nor thy Amazement Arise and come forth for hadst thou been faithful thou shouldst have crumbled Nations to Dust c. Geo. Fox With much more to the same purpose I say What! Do you thus write thus encourage and thus stir up and rouse your then dear Friend O. C. his Army and Officers to that which you believe to be utterly unlawful Here is Deceit with a witness What! Did sober Men and true Hearts take part with O. C. and you advised him not to slight such nor discourage them from fighting and yet you say the Kingdom of Christ doth not allow of Fighting and you believe it unlawful to fight as aforesaid Here is Hocos Pocos indeed and such Legerdemain as I am sure your serious Geo. Whitehead as he would be esteemed never found in W. Rogers's Writings yea such Legerdemain as few Conjurers have the face to venture upon Here you have exceeded the whole Four Hundred of Ahab's False Prophets 1 King 22. for they prophesied falsly in saying to the King Go up to Ramoth Gilead and prosper for the LORD will deliver it into thy Hands c. yet all this while they did not believe it utterly unlawful for the Jews to fight In short You either believe it lawful to fight or you do Not If you do Not then did you greatly dissemble with your then dear Friend and noble Champion as you elsewhere call him If you Did then have you played the Hypocrites with your People and that greatly too for many Years in telling them 't is not lawful to fight and yet at the same time believe it lawful and encourage sober Men and true Hearts to fight and that from the Word of the LORD Surely I need go no farther to prove you guilty of as manifest Hypocrisie as the World can produce But for a Salvo you now tell us you gave this Advice Ad Hominem Upon their own Pretensions not that you either believed or thought it lawful to fight But then you should have been plain and sincere with O. C. c. and said We indeed stir you up to fight advise and counsel you to fight If after this their Hearers will go to Gaol before they will pay two Pence towards Drums and Colours or pay the Trained Soldiers their Wages I pity their wilful Blindness and Ignorance and that from the Word of the LORD c. But withal mark well what we have to say we do all this upon your own Pretensions You pretend it lawful to fight and thereupon we thus encourage you for to be plain with you we believe it utterly unlawful for you to fight at all with a Carnal Weapon for the Kingdom of Christ doth not allow of it but utterly forbids Fighting in any Case whatever Oh! Blush and be ashamed ye Hypocrites Yea be confounded for ever ye gross Dissemblers What! Did you give this Advice and this Counsel and that from the Word of the LORD to such a Practice and such a Work as you knew was not lawful So take it which way you will and it carries two Faces For if Fighting in any Case be unlawful as you seem sometimes to believe and to be sure you have made your Disciples so to believe it as that they are not only for the Doctrine of Non-Resistance but also for your Doctrine of Non-Assistance then you ought not to have advised others to Fighting Again If you believe it is lawful to fight then if you would be Constant as you would be thought to be why do not you advise King William to invite all Nations upon Earth that are against Popery to come and join with him against Popery that he may rock Ireland and France as a Cradle But you
about the point in hand Edward VI. by Archbishop Cranmer was Compelled to sign a Warrant to Burn poor Ioan of Kent a famous Woman but counted an Enthusiast thus even Protestants began with Brood for Mere Religion and Taught the Romanists in succeeding times how to deal with them Come on ye infallible Doctors Is not this for and in favour of the Papists and Popery and to the purpose against the Protestants and at such a juncture too whenas the Protestant Cause lay a bleeding And notwithstanding your former writings against Popery when Protestants flourished yet in the Reign of K. J. II. at that season how did your Books and Papers in favour of the Popish Interest fly about Book after Book Letter after Letter Address upon Address with Publick Prayers for K. J. II See the Looking-Glass c. Which discover your profound Politicks And also the Letter to the Quakers c. Which justly and seasonably reproves your then Extravagance and your late Silence The IV. Instance of their Hypocrisie Letter to the Quckers Why do you not pray for and address your selves to King William and Queen Mary as heartily and as publickly as you did to King James II The Quakers Answer This is false though for some Reasons we have not been forward to sound a Trumpet of our Gratitude c. Reply ARE you not ashamed to say 't is false When did you ever pray for and Address your selves to K. W. and Q. M. as publickly as you did to the late K. J. II And is it not as commendable a thing to sound a Trumpet of the Fame and Noble Acts of a Protestant Prince who has ventured his Life and all that is or can be dear to him in this World in defence of our Religion Laws and Liberties as it was to sound a Trumpet from England to Scotland and from Scotland to England and through each Kingdom of his Fame who upon his own Principles could not so much as give Liberty to Protestants though in Policy he did And because you say it is false I may recite part of your Addresses and Prayers for K. J. II. and do you make it appear when you did the like and as publickly for K. W. and Q M. viz. We pray GOD to bless the King viz King J. II. his Royal Femily and People with Grace and Peace and that after a long and prosperous Reign here he may receive a better Crown amongst the Blessed which is the Pre yer of c. London April 1687. Again We cannot but with grateful Hearts both admire and acknowledge the Providence of GOD that made the King's retiring into our Countrey i. e. Scotland 1679. give a happy turn to his Affairs to the defeating and disappointing the Defigns of his Enemies We do justly conceive our selves obliged by a special Tie to praise GOD for His Goodness in carrying the King through and over all his Troubles since by the same Providence and at the same time by which the LORD began in that more observable manner to evidence His Care of him He made him the happy Instrument to deliver us from our Troubles so that the prosperity of his Affairs and our peaceable fruition of the exercise of our Consciences beareth the same Date c. June 1687. But now in your Answer to the Letter you say Good Kings and Governments you never opposed though you liked not bad ones Pray how shall we know which you account good Kings and good Governments but by your Words and Carriage towards them and by your publick Acknowledgments of the Benefits you receive by them But your Hypocrisie is manifest And I may say to you as you once said to the Paesbyterians and others in your Book stiled Truth 's Character of Professors viz. Your-own Character c. And know assuredly that if you come to be dealt withal as you have dealt with others then shall those things which you have done to the Innocent become your Burthen And as you have sought to make others ridiculous even so shall you become contemptible in the eyes of those which you by your Flatteries have fawned upon c. The V. Instance of their Hypoctisie Letter to the Quakers And then you branded the Presbyterians and others with Fighting Principles c. The Quakers Answer His unjust Reflections about the Presbyterians Reply TO reflect on you about the Presbyterians was not unjust neither did the Author of the said Letter do you any Wrong in that matter for I well remember the Sale of that Book and the Juncture of Time in which it was exposed even when the great Talk was of a Protestant Plot. 'T is true your Book had by the Title of it the Face of a Lamb viz. Plain and peaceable Advice to the Presbyterians but in pag. 1. you say that Their Principle was to fight for their Religion and to promote their pretended Religion by the power of the Sword and that their Ministers always laboured to perswade them to it c. Again see your Answer to John Faldo in your Book Quakerism a new Nick-name c. printed 1673. pag. 109. And why poor Nonconformists after all their preach'd up Battels Spoils Plunders Sacrileges Decimations c. Again pag. 119. These are true Gospel-Ministers whose Gospel is Peace on Earth and Good Will towards Men and Not Garments rolled in the Blood of Rings and Princes and Rulers and People No worldly Armies Battels and Victories Trophies Spoils Sequestrations Decimations and the like Blood-thirsty and Tyrannical Projects in which John Faldoe and his poor Nonconforming Ministers have had their Hands almost over Head and Ears till they had well nigh lost their Ears and Heads too c. And for more of this nature see your Book styled The Way cast up pag. 52 53 54 23. All which considered and compared with your Advice to Oliver Cromwell his Army and Officers render you both perfidious and treacherous inasmuch as you with them were engaged in the same Cause and Quarrel and stood in as much need of an Act of Oblivion as they The VI. Instance of their Hypocrisie 'T is a shame for any Bookseller to promote i. e. The Quakers Answer their Books without discovering the Author ● that to get a Farthing or an Halfpeny by any such lying Libels they should thus sell or expose the Reputation of their honest Neighbours to Reproach and Infamy Reply I Cannot but take notice of this Passage and how the Author of it resembles Cuthbert Tonstal once Bishop of London as may be seen in my Book De Christiana Libertate pag. 203 to pag. 206. where I have at large set forth what Enemies the then Papists were to the Printing and to the Spreaders and Promoters of such Books as the Protestants writ against them and their Errours discovering their Hypocrisies and holy Cheats and wherein Geo. Whitehead and his Brethren follow their Steps directly And as one Instance thereof I have at large recited your Excommunication