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A54931 Truth vindicated and the lyars refuge swept away being an answer to a book set forth by Thomas Collier called A looking-glasse for Quakers, and also to some particulars in a book of his called A dialogue &c. : wherein the truth is cleared from those slanders ... : also an answer to his queries in the end of the book ... : together with an epistle to the people called Baptists ... / published by ... John Pitman, Jasper Batt. Pitman, John, d. 1658?; Batt, Jasper, d. 1702. 1658 (1658) Wing P2299; ESTC R28442 57,250 71

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Christ had all his weapons wrested out of his hands by the strength of sin and whether such a one can stand in the warfare against sin or for the defence of the Gospel 29 Qu. If sin or sinners be purged out of the house of God whether those that remain must not be perfect and if so whether any of you will be left there 30 Qu. If the Church take effectuall course to purge away sin or sinners as in the Writing from Tiverton is directed whether thou must not be purged away whose Abominations reigne are drawing iniquity with cords of vanity Slavish feare hath stopt thy mouth sinne hath wrested all thy weapons out of thy hand a light spirit living short of the true sight and sense of Gods Majesty in the Churches Coldnesse and deadnesse on thy soule formall in holy Duties and indifferent and Laodicean spirit on thee without the sense of the worke and true travail of soule as in that writing by thy own confession appears Besides those many lyes slanders and reproaches thou art found guilty of in what is before declared A word to those called Baptists AND now a few words to you called Baptists who stumble at the same stumbling stone as all the rest of the professions in the world do Oh who would or could have thought that truth should have become such a burthensome stone to you of all others who are professing that you waite for his Reigne yet when he is witnessed to reign and have dominion whose right it is and must reigne untill and his enemies become his foot-stool even the promise of the Father The same the Prophets prophesied should come and whose day Abraham saw and rejoyced And the Apostles were eye-witnesses of when he is owned and witnessed obeyed and followed now is all of an uproar and many of you among the rest are engaged against him But know that this is the stone upon which whosoever falls it breaks them to pieces but on whomsoever it falls will grind them to powder for assuredly he is the same and not another Jesus Christ the same to day as yesterday and for ever And therefore we beseech you in bowels of love consider what you are doing and against whom you strive Oh! Its hard for you to kicke against the pricks For wee beare testimony in the name and feare of the living God that its the Son of God many of you persecute revile and reproach and that you shall one day confesse though now you may think you do God service And therefore cease striving against him and come down to his foot-stool and let every thing bow to his Name that so his reign in the particular you may come to witnesse For truly unlesse you know his Reigne there over sinne and corruption and all that is contrary to God his appearance who you professe yee are waiting for will be a day of dread and terrour of woe and misery of bitter lamentation though many of you now dispute preach and print against him yet in that day shall your mouths be stopt and palenesse cover your faces when this sentence you must hear Depart ye workers of Iniquity I know you not Then shall you see that nothing that 's unclean can enter this City And verily unlesse you know him a Saviour from sin and your Redeemer from iniquity in the particular he will not be a Saviour to you from hell and condemnation for they that hope for the latter and know not the former this is the hope of the hypocrite that will perish and not stand in the time of greatest need So think it not sufficient to be offering sacrifice to the Lord and crying out The Temple of the Lord c. And that you professe his Ordinances and walk in Church-fellowship as you call it But in coolnesse and moderation of spirit let each put this question to himselfe Hath the Lord commanded me Is this required at my hands or do I it because others have done it and left it upon Record and so the testimony in my selfe is wanting that the Lord required it Oh consider of it in time yee that have not heard the voyce of God nor seen his shape and have not his Word abiding in you but are enemies to those that this witnesse Surely the Lord will not hold you guiltlesse when he comes to judgement neither can you stand before him with any boldnesse for want of the testimony in your selves Then must your profession come to the ground So be not hasty or rash but try your selves search your selves Know you not that Christ Jesus is in you except ye be Reprobates And where he is made manifest it is to destroy the works of the Devill And if it be not done in the particular while you are upon Earth when doe you think it shall be seeing the Tree lies as it falls Think of this all yee that are yet strangers to it in your selves and oppose it in others even by pleading and printing against it Surely the Lord is arising yea in glory and great Majesty is he arising to rip off all unrighteous coverings And now must all appeare as they are before him who will not respect the persons of any nor the highest profession whilest they are strangers to his life and enemies to his Crosse and opposers to his work Now wee appeale to Gods witnesse in you which many of you so slight and set at nought Whether it be not the condition of many of you notwithstanding your high profession and know assuredly unlesse you return and repent this shall one day witnesse for the Lord and for us against you though for the present you may set light by it you shall one day bow unto it Oh! do not many of you now bow to the pride of the world and respect persons and receive honour one of another You that so long have professed to be separated from the world and yet uphold the worlds Teachers lest you should suffer Abominable deceit what to declare against them in words and yet uphold and maintain them in actions Nay do not many of you in words writings and actions joyne with the world against the innocent denying the same as the vvorld doth even the beginning and the end of the work of God the light and perfection Whereas the work of Christs Ministers was To turn people from darknesse to the light and the end of their Ministry for the perfecting of the Saints Oh! how can it be but that you should be overcome by the enemies of your own houses while you thus oppose the works of God and plead against it as many of you do How is your glory turned into shame who are become the degenerate plant of a strange Vine unto God How are you smitten with blindness and wearying your selves to finde the Door You were once hated by the world but now joyned with the world against the Heir And truly it s now no marvail to the Children of Light though the
you eate my flesh and drinke my Blood you have no life in you if they eate and drinke it it was within them and for the Scriptures by thee alleadged the words without is not at all in them Quer. 2. Whether Christ by his Spirit in the Gospel Ministration do not lead Soules to the beholding of what Christ hath done without them for them yea or nay according to 1 Cor. 15.3 Acts 13.39 2. Answ The Mistery to be Manifested to the Gentiles was Christ in them and Paul travelled that Christ might be formed in the Galathians and the anointing dwelt in the Saints and Christs righteousnesse was to be fullfilled in them and know you not that Jesus Christ is in you except yee be reprobates and the Word without is not mentioned in the Scriptures by thee alleadged Quer. 3. Whether it be fair dealing for your teachers who pretend they own the Scriptures to call it litterall and deny it to be the word of God as Naylor in his love to the lost Concerning the word pag. 14.15 how often doth hee call the Scriptures the Letter as distinct from the word men say the Letter is it c. yet are not ashamed to call their false and nonsensicall sayings the word of the Lord wittness Fox in his word to the Jewes and another to the Gentiles concludes in both that this is the Word of the Lord to you c. and Burrough in his Trumpet his word must be the Word of God believe it those that list Answ If the Scriptures be written with Letters is it not Litteral and the scripture declareth that Christ is the Word of God and hee was in the beginning all things were made by him now where doth the Scripture say so of it selfe and if the word was in the beginning and all things made by it then it must of necessity bee distinct from the Letter now that we call our false and nonsensicall sayings the word of the Lord is false for hee hath not proved the sayings of George Fox or Edward Burrough alleadged by him either false or nonsensicall but if G. Fox Edward Burrough or any other did receive a Message from the Lord to Jewe or Gentile they might say thus saith the Lord and if they write it the writing is a Declaration of it Q 4. Whether there be not a difference between the Word God and the Word of God the Word Christ and the Word of Christ Answ In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and God was the word he was cloathed with a vesture dipt in blood and his name is the Word of God and Paul saith Ephe. 3.17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts c. and Coll. 3.16 let the word of Christ dwell in you c. wee make no more difference between them then Paul or John doth Q. 5. Whether God hath not ever since hee hath been minstering to men by a word or law written Required his people to walke according to the word or Law of the Ministration under which they lived Answ These are the last Dayes wherein the Lord hath according to his promise written his Law in the hearts of his people and this is the Ministration which the Saints live under the anointing dwelling in them and therefore to be obeyed the Mistery made manifest Christ in us the hope of glory Q 6. Whether God hath not broken to pieces and brought to shame all that have turned aside from the written word as a Rule And whether the Quakers be not now going down by the righteous hand of God as the Ranters have done before them Answ That Prophet is now witnessed of whom Moses testified and whosoever will not heare this Prophet shall be cut off yea and broken to pieces all those who will not have him to reigne shall be ssaine before him and although those who now heare witnesse unto him to be the Light the way the truth the word their King Prince Leader and Lawgiver whom this generation calls Quakers may be persecuted scorned reproached slandered scourged imprisoned and slain yet wee are not forsaken by the Lord but the truth prospers and many faithful witnesses are raised up to beare testimony against deceit and Deceivers and the hand of the Lord is with us and against all our Enemies but our Kingdome is not of this world for the Disciple is not above his Lord but the wicked may say there is no help for him in his God and that the Lord hath forsaken him Query 7. Whether seeing that Christ hath foretold that in the last days deceivers should come it might not be your wisdome yet once more to bring your Principles to the tryall of the sanctuary and not to be so over-hold and confident in your way especially there having been so many before you as confident as you whose confidence came to folly it 's never too late to repent if the Lord give grace Answ Deceivers we know are in the world and by their fruits we know them in that Writing from Tiverton thou hast markt out thy self to be one of them as that 's an infallible mark to cry peace to the wicked and art not ashamed to bid those rejoyce whose Iniquities are apparently written in their fore-heads abhominations reign are drawing iniquity with cords of vanity and tell them their King comes in righteousness and in peace More marks thre are of a Deceiver in that Writing which we refer the Reader unto there to minde And as for our Principles they are tryed and weighed in the ballance of the Sanctuary yea tryed in the fire and for the Truth we are bold as Lyons and this confidence we shall never cast away The hope of the wicked shall perish but they that trust in the Lord shall never be ashamed and that repentance do we witness never to be repented of Query 8. Whether the 2 of Tim. 3.15 16 17. be not Scripture where the Apostle saith that the Scripture is able to make wise unto salvation through faith in Christ Jesus and is profitable for reproof for correction c. and is able to make the man of God perfect and thoroughly to furnish him to every good worke And if so why do you so much plead against the rules of Scripture and the Ministry that is according to the Scripture Answ Yea we own it to be Scripture and profitable and with it we correct thee who art found contrary to the Ministry that is according to it And seeing that it 's profitable for the man of God why dost thou plead so much against the Rules of Scripture who sayest perfection is not attainable here but it seems thou excludest thy selfe from being a man o● God Quer. 9. Whether Timothy and Titus were Ministers of Christ And if so why do you not rayl at them as well as at us who received their rule without them from the Apostle Paul and not from the Light within as you pretend Answ They were Ministers