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A26865	An apology for the nonconformists ministry containing I. the reasons of their preaching, II. an answer to the accusations urged as reasons for the silencing of about 2000 by Bishop Morley ..., III. reasons proving it the duty and interest of the bishops and conformists to endeavour earnestly their restoration : with a postscript upon oral debates with Mr. H. Dodwell, against his reasons for their silence ... : written in 1668 and 1669, for the most of it, and now published as an addition to the defence against Dr. Stillingfleet, and as an account to the silencers of the reasons of our practice / by Richard Baxter.	Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691.	1681 (1681)	Wing B1189; ESTC R22103	219,337	268

if they should be so proud and strangers to themselves as not be conscious of their single insufficiency and the defectiveness of their own endeavours and their need of help or if they should have no more care of Souls than to let them be untaught or be deprived of such helps as God hath provided for them rather than such as we should assist them how unhappy will the people be that have such Pastors and how unhappy will they find themselves at last It will be woful enough to be charged at the last day with the neglect of Souls much more with the hindering of their Salvation or being unwilling that other men should help them 2. It hath in all ages been the way of Malignant enemies of Christ and Godliness to hinder silence or oppose the Preachers of the Gospel Therefore if you do that which such men use to do you will hardly ever escape being taken for such your selves by the people For though you can distinguish your selves out of the guilt if you be your own Judges and can say that you silence not the Preachers of the Gospel but the Schismaticks the Nonconformist that feareth Oaths and Subscriptions and Ceremonies yet the Wits of the vulgar are too dull to feel the strength of such subtile distinctions If your Ax was used but to kill the Fly that sate on his forehead yet if the man dye of the blow the foolish people will say that you kill'd the Man If a High-way-man take a mans Purse and say I took it from him not because he is an honest man but because he is Rich and I am poor yet the gross-witted people will accuse him for robbing an honest man If you should forbid half the Work-men in London to labour in re-building the City and say you do it not to hinder the building but because they durst not take the Corporation-Oath or use a Ceremony yet the Citizens that cannot distinguish will think that you hinder the building for all that If you would cashiere a considerable part of the Kings Army when they should go fight against the enemy and say you do it only because they refused to wear any Colours besides the Generals lest he should be offended when perhaps the Chaplains impose other Colours on them also of their own the dull-headed people would think for all that that you were enemies to the Kings service and should have punished them otherwise without punishing the whole Army of the King And if the people take you for Malignant Enemies of the Gospel and Godliness which you preach they will give you but little comfort in your Ministry and they will receive but little profit from it I speak not upon surmises but that which I foretold you long ago and that which now I have sad experience of Before I and many hundred more were silenced I found my self capable of perswading my old Hearers to some good opinion of you and to incline them to come as near you as was possible But since then I have lost my power in that point They are more averse to Communion with you than ever The name of a Bishop is quite another thing in their ears than it was before All the interest that I have in them and all the means that I could use I am confident will never reconcile them to you more till your own good works and merits reconcile them They had before hard thoughts and fears of Bishops because they heard how many Ministers they had silenced But when they see and feel it their apprehensions are deeper of such matters than before And if we talk to them against experience and sense we talk in vain If we tell them that you are their Superiors and must be reverenced and they say so are the Prelates and Inquisitors to the people of Spain who are worthy of fear but not of Love they think they have answered us If we tell them that you are of the same Christian Religion with us and do all that you do for Order and Decency and preach the Gospel your selves though you are against our Preaching If they reply to us Tell us not of their sheep-skins but see whether they have not claws and fangs and see whether there be no blood upon their teeth they think they have silenced our Charity by the reply If we tell them that you are the Fathers and Rulers of the Church and they bid us see whether you take not away the Childrens bread and give them not a stone and whether the Churches Lights be not put under a bushel and whether they are snuffed or put out We can give them no answer which they will take for satisfaction in spite of their senses and experience Of all the people that are and have been against Bishops in my days I profess I knew not one of twenty forty or an hundred that was against them for their Order sake as the disputing Presbyterians and Independents are but for their Works sake Alas it is not one of an hundred that now dislike you that ever studied any such controversie whether Episcopacy be Jure divino or not or whether they differ from Presbyters Ordine vel Gradu But when they find their Ministers silenced as Schismaticks and reviled as the odious part of the Land whom they have tryed and known by long experience to be able godly faithful men this is it that maketh them cry down Bishops I find among all my sober acquaintance that the name of Usher Hall Davenant and many more Bishops is venerable with them because they think they were good men But judging by experience is a disease that the people will never by all your Logick be cured of Their weakness is such that whatever flyeth away with the Chicken they will call a Kite and will not believe that it was a Dove And whatever teareth the Lambs they will call it a Dog or a Fox and will not believe that it was a Sheep And indeed Malignity is so heinous a sin that no Christian should too easily smile upon it Sensuality turneth a man into a Beast but Malignity into a Devil He therefore that would not be accounted such must neither do as they do nor that which is so like it that none can distinguish them but those that borrow the Agents spectacles If you had only made a Canon that we shall be silenced when ever we Preach Heresie though you had denied us a first and second admonition or else when we Preach Treason Sedition or Schism the people would have justified you But if you will say Cross a child or subscribe that we have not mistaken a word in all these three books c. or else you shall not preach the Gospel of Salvation nor labour to save the peoples Souls nor perswade them to think on the life to come they will presently remember such Texts as these 1 Thess. 2. 15 16. They have persecuted us they please not God and are contrary

loved and honoured him more though with some weak partial persons it was otherwise If then we have any Interest opposite to yours it is not Riches it is not Power we wisht no more than to be Pastors to the Volunteers of a Parish-Church And what more do the Independents wish than that persons have the same liberty to chuse to whom the Pastoral care of their Souls shall be entrusted as they have to chuse Physicians or Schoolmasters and Tutors for their Children and Wives or Servants Husbands or Masters in the family living under Laws of sobriety and peace And if you think that our cross interest is the praise of a few that follow us in a reproached suffering state you think we have a very low mind and game Why then do we so much desire to be out of this state and to take up with reformed Parish-interest And why doth not a far stronger worldly interest more prevail with us But such accusations are answered in this book As for that party of men among us Archbishops Bishops and Doctors that have made it their office and interest to set up as for Christ 1. A Catholick Church formed by a vicarious Universal Government viz. A General Council or a feigned Universal Colledge of Bishops 2. And the Patriarchal power which was in the Roman Empire 3. And the Pope as the President or Principium unitatis Catholicae 4. And the same Pope as our Western-Patriarch and the six or eight first General Councels as the Laws or Rule of Government and so would bring us under a foreign Jurisdiction and turn the orders of a Catholiok Empire into those of the Catholick Church through the World 6. And that pretend that the Papists Churches have an uninterrupted valid succession and therefore are true Churches and that the Protestant Churches that have no uninterrupted Canonical Episcopal succession are no true Churches nor have valid Sacraments or any ordinary title to salvation I say as for this party of men whose Writings and Names I need not tell you of we profess that we have no hope that ever they will be reconciled to us because it will not stand with their desired reconciliation described by themselves with a more powerful and numerous party which they prefer before us And though as much as in us lyeth we must live peaceably with all men we can never receive their unpeaceable principles and terms And it much more alienateth us against the Church of Rome to find that the nearer any are to them the more they are for uncharitableness and cruelty and trust not to the Church-Keys but to the Sword as if blood banishment or destroying conscionable Christians that are not of their minds were the strength of their Religion and Church and still cry Strike home and execute the Laws Abate nothing Tolerate none of them Let them make their task and have no straw Away with them as pestilent fellows and movers of seditions just contrary to the Christian Nature and Interest and Law And if he that dwells in Love dwells in God and God in him who dwells in them that dwell in wrath and imitate Cain and bear thorns and thistles and devour the flocks which they should gather and feed and shew that they love their brethren by destroying them Right Reverend Fathers and Lords we have far better thoughts and hopes of you and though I have beg'd in vain these Twenty years for Peace and Concord of others of your Order I address my self to you beseeching you patiently to read this Apology and pardon the earnestness of it for it is for a weighty cause It was most written 1668 or 1669 before most of you were Bishops Dr. Stillingfleet hath newly told us that If we will but allow that by virtue of the Rule Phil. 3. Men are bound to do all things lawful for preserving the peace of the Church we have no further difference about this matter pag. 176. We have still allowed it we have solemnly protested it Were it lawful to us to conform and cease our Ministry which we were vowed to we would do it I beg of you as on my knees for your own sakes for Englands for the Churches for Christs that you will agree with us on these terms I ask nothing of you for my self I need nothing that you can give me My time of service is near an end But England will be England and Souls and the Churches peace will be precious and the Cause will be the same when all the present Nonconformists are dead And Bishops must dye as well as we Our Lord delayeth not his coming to encourage any to smite their fellow-servants If it be not a Lawful thing for the peace of the Church to forbear the dividing Impositions and Prosecutions I need not name them then let us all suffer still But if it be do not only privately wish but zealously as Lovers of the Church endeavour and that with speed and all your might for Peace to abate what may lawfully be abated It is not in our power to procure Union For sin and self-condemning will not do it How much is in yours the Lord cause you to know and practice I rest Your Servant R. B. AN APOLOGY FOR THE SILENCED MINISTERS Especially for their not ceasing to Preach Christs Gospel Being the Third Part of their Plea for Peace Humbly directed to those of the Lord Bishops and to the rest of the Conformable Clergy of their mind who have procured our Silence and Sufferings or the continuance thereof Most Reverend and Right Reverend Lords and Fathers and Reverend Brethren HAVING once tryed in vain though by the favour of His Majesties Gracious Encouragement and Commission what speaking might do and since that tryed as much in vain what silence in this kind will do I have resolved once more before the expiring of my gasping hopes to resist despair and to try whether so many years experience hath opened your ears and hearts to the Reasons and humble Requests of those who not so much for their Sufferings as for the Souls of men do daily eat the bread of sorrow At least before I resign this Skeleton to the dust to leave one more testimony of my zeal for Unity and Peace and make one more attempt for the Gospel and the Church of Christ that I may not appear before my Judg in the guilt of negligence cowardize or unprofitableness Not to be your Accuser nor a Justifier of any of the weaknesses or miscarriages of the present Nonconformists nor yet of those of former times but humbly to re-mind you of the things that concern the interest of Christ the people and your selves When it pleased the most Gracious Soveraign of the World to restore his Majesty by the concurrence of the desires of his Subjects and the wonderful dissolution of that Army and Government which resisted his returns as we knew that our divisions had been our sin and ruine and our enemies strength and that

sunt Funera natarum rogus aspiciendus amatae Conjugis fratris plenaeque sororibus urnae Haec data poena diu viventibus ut renovata Semper clade domus multis in luctibus inque Perpetuo maerore ingra veste senescant 7. And you must consider also that if blood or destruction be the means which you trust to you must set up a Shambles or trade of butchery and make it the profession of all your lives For it is egregious folly to think that it is but like the fighting with an Army where all your enemies are in sight before you and if you conquer them you may kill them all at once For they are dispersed all over the Land and they cannot all in a little time be detected and fairly convicted and brought to execution But you must be a long time about the killing of those that are now in being And when they are gone the Surculi that spring out of their stumps will in number perhaps exceed them and find you work as long as you live And then one cruel act will seem to cause a necessity of another to justifie it and to make sure work lest those that you have wronged or any of their friends should possibly live to see your folly make you miserable Therefore the Japonians kill'd and tormented not only the Christians but their kindred and all the next inhabitants And besides when men turn to so great sin God usually so forsaketh them that they cannot tell how to make an end They thirst for blood till like Leeches they fall off with fulness And the more wickedness they do the more they are disposed to do That you may see I have my boys School-books though I am driven from my own you shall have some more of Juvenal Mobilis varia est fermè natura malorum Cum scelus admittunt superest constantia quid fas Atque nefas tandem incipiunt sentire peractis Criminibus tamen ad mores natura recurrit Damnatos fixa mutari nescia Nam quis Peccandi finem posuit sibi quando recepit Ejectum semel attrita de fronte ruborem Quisnam hominum est quem contentum videris uno Flagitio And verily there was never any or many known that set up this carnificine trade the stink of whose name did not reach as far as fame could carry it to the ears of men And you will tempt men not only to think odiously of your selves but to suspect your cause that needeth such a trade to keep it up Even Erasmus had almost been made a Protestant by the burning and tormenting of some Protestants And Hospitalius Thuanus and the whole tribe of those learned moderators in France were driven from the extreamer sort of Popery by the extremity of their bloody cruelties The nature of man pitieth and loveth chickens and lambs and harmless loving creatures and it hateth Foxes Wolves and Kites that live on flesh and devour those that are better than themselves Or if you could pretend that you had been first abused your selves and did it in revenge the world will think that you should be revenged but proportionably and that on none but them that did it yea revenge it self is a sign of a weak ignoble soul that hath little of a man and less of a Christian. Quippe minuti Semper infirmi est animi exignique voluptas Ultio continuò sic collige quod vindicta Nemo magis gaudet quam faemina cur tamen hos tu Evasisse putes quos diri conscia facti Mens habet attonitos surdo verbere coedit Occultam quationte animo tortore flagellum Poena autem vehemens ac multo saevior illis Quas Caeditius gravis invenit aut Rhadamanthus Nocte dieque suum gestare in pectore testem Therefore the foolish Ambitious Idols who would fain be like to God in power will yet pretend that they would be like him also in Love and Mercy And Nero will not disdain to read Seneca de clementiâ de Irâ They would have power to do as much mischief as you can imagine but they say they would not use it but affright men by it into the obedience of their wills Et qui nolunt occidere quenquam Posse volunt But as the power breeds fear so usually fear breedeth hatred Though I confess it is not possible to have a sufficient Power to do good without a Power to do some hurt 8. And then the whole Countrey will take notice how many worse men you leave alive which will increase the odium and make them look on you but as the enemies of mankind and of all virtue and civility or as the seed of the Serpent that have an enmity to the Womans seed They will call you by the name of Cainites when they see the blood of your brother Abel while evil workers still survive When such as Ames Baine Bradshaw Hildersham Dod c. yea as Hooker Bilson Jewel c. are hanged which must be done if you will extend the punishment to all Nonconsormists the people will take notice that thousands of fornicators drunkards ignorant sots and sensless Atheists are suffered to live in peace And do you not know what they will say and think of you upon such observations They will say If these Learned holy faithful Preachers would but have turned drunken sots they might have scaped your jaws as such have done As the forecited Poet mockt at Cicero's O fortunatam natam me Consule Romam Antoni gladios potuit contemnere si sic Omnia dixisset ridenda poemata malo Quam te conspicuae divina Philippica famae If these Preachers would have talkt a little half sense and read a cold Oration and lived like those that have little to do with God and Heaven and would save men by a charm of words and shews without this serious Godliness and Christianity they might have had countenance and maintenance and as much honour as such men as these can put upon them But judicious serious hearty Godliness is intolerable to all the fleshly tribe whose mind neither is nor can be subject to the Law of God to which their interest and disposition hath an enmity Eloquium ac famam Demosthenis aut Ciceronis Incipit optare totis quinquatribus optat Quisquis adhuc uno partam colit asse Minervam Quem sequitur custos Augustae vernula capsae Eloquio sed uterque perit orator utrunque Largus exundans letho dedit ingenii fons Ingenio manus est cervix caesa nec unquam Sanguine Causidici maduerunt nostra pusilli 9. But especially forget not that the number of Nonconformists in England is so great that it will weary the hangman to dispatch them or Executioners enow will scarce be found For what if you hang a Thousand or Eighteen hundred Ministers you cheat your selves as you have wilfully long done if you think that you are ever the nearer your ends For the