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A35445 The visions of Pasquin, or, A character of the Roman court, religion and practices together with an account of the arts of the Pope's nephews to get money, the tricks of the priests to fill the churches coffers by masses for the dead, the policy of the Jesuites to cully princes, and cheat Christendom, as also an exact description of purgatory and hell, in a dialogue between Pasquin and Marsorio, translated out of Italian.; Pasquillus ecstaticus. English Curione, Celio Secondo, 1503-1569. 1689 (1689) Wing C7622A; ESTC R13924 82,935 71

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yet come invigorated by these words I advanced further on to see whence it could proceed that a Machine that was so beautiful and built with such strong walls should be liable to shake in that manner as if it had been a little Tree newly planted in the midst of an open Field M. There must needs be some mystery in that because it is contrary to the course of nature P. Thou must understand that this Hall is upheld by a multitude of Fryers and Priests who kneeling with their hands upon their knees bare it upon their backs and they began already to put their hands upon the ground which made them appear more like beasts than men And because it was impossible for me to observe it without my kneeling I made no bones of it to satisfie my curiosity it being very pleasant to me to observe the posture of those wretched Fryers for some of them knocked their Noses to the ground and others endeavoured to bear themselves up and others had a mind to lie flat down to leave all the weight upon the rest of their fellows others cursed those who had planted them to bear up that building On the back-side there was a multitude of persons heaving with their shoulders against the Wall of this Hall striving to throw down this building but that which imports most was that they did it with so great delight and force that their sweat ran down all over their faces being amazed at this I asked my friend of it who informed me thus Those which thou seest uphold this Fabrick are the Divines and Doctors of the Roman Church and because the fatigue is great they would be willing to be discharged of it but it is impossible for them to be freed being nailed there by their own fault At first they bore it all upon their heads standing upright but afterwards being oppressed with the extremity of the weight they bowed down their heads receiving the weight upon their necks but those being weakened they shifted it all upon their shoulders whereon they upheld the building a great while until their strength failed them and then they bowed down to the Earth as you saw them Those other who stand in a posture to throw down all this pile into ruine are the Doctors and Divines of the contrary Religion who labour stoutly for the destruction of this Fabrick and would have done it before now if it were not for the Assistance which they often receive from the benignity of Princes When he had said this he shewed at the four corners of the Hall four Princes who were stretching their wits to prop it up which was it that kept it upright for still as the others endeavoured to overthrow it these staid it with the props which they held in their hands neither can it be discerned which were the readier the one to maintain it or the other to throw it down M. What Princes were these who so much concerned themselves for the supporting of this place P. The Emperor the King of Spain and the King of Poland at three corners and at the fourth many Catholick Princes joyned together as well Germans as Italians but yet the greatest support is that which is given by the Emperor and the King of Spain M. I have ever heard that France and the Republick of Venice have brought a great many props to hold up the Vatican how comes it then that you say nothing here of them P. Softly you do not give me time to tell all this will come after but since thou art in such haste to know it I will tell thee that the King of France and the Republick of Venice defend the Vatican as thou sayest with Policy that is to say with moderation and altho' some Ages past these two Potentates without considering of the infinite charge and the hazard they put their own States to ran furiously to the defence of the Popes when they saw them oppressed either with the ambition of Princes or the force of Heresies yet their principal end was not to help the Popes to grow so proud being wise enough to foresee that which afterwards came to pass whilst these good Popes growing great not to say fat by the protection of these two Monarchies spurned at the obligation and like Mules kicked at those who brought them their provender but only to gain themselves a name of Piety and Zeal towards Religion with the people so that from that time they have gone with leaden heels to the assistance of the Popes and I see them in this part of the Hall which I have described to thee walking up and down with their props in their hands and I observe it is their policy to see the place attached but not conquered they are pleased to see it tremble and shak'd but not to be precipitated or cast down and therefore they incite the Combatants to fight against it and when they see the Victory inclining to them they immediately set to their props not having the heart to see the place thrown down M. Now I do not doubt but that place was the habitation of the Popes those particulars which thou relates so clearly manifesting it that it would be a gross simplicity to question it P. There is no great wit required to conjecture it I presently imagined it before the good man told me any thing of it and was immediately confirmed in my opinion M. Why then did not the King of Spain and those other Princes which strive so much to uphold that place arm themselves instantly to fight against the Enemies it being ever better to subdue an Enemy before they have had any success than to drive them out again when they have got any footing P. 'T is certain the Spaniard and the Emperour would have disturbed the whole world and turned it up-up-side down as they have often done with their violent Remedies if the King of France and the Venetian Republick had not hindred them But those two great Powers judged the things of Religion according to Policy and on the contrary the other Princes judged of matters of Policy according to the Laws of Religion for the King of France and the Republick of Venice know very well that if the Hereticks had not mortified the Pope and his Ecclesiasticks the Ecclesiasticks and the Pope would have been Hereticks against the Princes and therefore they often help the Protestants at a pinch not that they would defend their Religion but that they might with their Religion mortifie the Popes and by consequence be more humbled to the Catholick Princes For my part I cannot say I ever received so much pleasure in so short a time as when I stayed in the out-parts of this Pontificial Seat for the King of Spain and the Emperor who upheld now and then gave a kick to those Adversaries that sought to shake it the King of France and the Republick of Venice when they saw it interposed so that they put off most of the
the Policy of other Princes will not only roast but kindle the fire to roast the Spaniards in the Fat of the French but because these two Monarchies are so situated by nature and the distribution of Politick Interests that the one cannot be diminished without the augmentation of the other so that all the Politick Reason of other Princes requires them to keep these two Monarchies in an eaven balance wherefore every time they see one of them falling they run immediately to lend them their hand against the other And in truth it is a curious thing to see how the English Venetians Hollanders and Swisses and the other Princes of Italy and Germany labour to raise up the poor Spaniards one lifts up one leg another another some one arm others another some hold up his head some hold him out a Rope In fine some with one thing and some with another all endeavoured to raise up the oppressed Spaniards but with all this they do nothing and to speak truly how can they because they fear so much the rising Fortune of France that they dare not declare themselves openly in favour of the Spaniard whereby the help they bring him serves to little purpose M. I know not how Affairs go in Hell because I was never there but am sure they are otherwise transacted in Europe Policy and Religion being so jumbled together that the Interest of Religion is very often obstructed by the Interests of Policy P. He that prescribed that Recipe must be a Fool of a Physician and I am angry Marforius that thou shouldst talk so like a wise man of Gotham for how prethee can the discoursing of Princes and Religion agree together since the Religion of Princes must ever serve or be used as Antimony is by the sick and sometimes by the healthy which when taken in small quantity exactly weigh'd and prepared curiously restores health to the Infirm and confirms it to the Healthy But the least Grain taken too much without due weight and preparation poysons the stomach and kills the body So Religion by Princes must needs be but little used and very well weighed for a little too much is sufficient to disturb the quiet of any Principality Nay I will say more that as Antimony is not commonly given but in desperate cases So Princes ought not to stick too close to the Interests of Religion but in those Occurrences when they cannot possibly do otherwise Bethlem Gabor understood that prescription exceeding well and therefore when the French Embassador went into Germany to tell him that tho' Indeed it was true that Policy required the King of France to humble the House of Austria and that a more opportune season could never be found to do so than at that time yet the Interest of Religion did oblige the King to go off from that League he had made with the said Gabor to the prejudice of the House of Austria for fear of seeing the Catholick Religion destroyed in those parts To which proposal Gabor answered in these few words Tu Princeps de Religione curas Is your Master a Monarch and is he scrupulous in matters of Religion M. This Example doth not much satisfie me for this Gabor was worse than any Turk and amongst Christian Princes there are other kinds of Principles P. Hear Marforius what I have to say to thee upon this particular it is more displeasing to God when a Christian does good works and afterwards repents the doing of them than if he had not done them at all he being fitter to be excused who hath omitted doing good but he is worthiest of punishment that repents of his good deeds Now amongst Princes the same Reason is current for they had much better lay aside some Maxims of Religion than to embrace them a while and repent of them afterwards When the King of France besieged Rochel the Spaniards against all Maxims of Policy solely upon those of Religion sent their Army to help the Most Christian King which much weakened their own Force and made the Party of the Most Christian King their Enemy stronger which a while after the Spaniards well perceiving repented extremely what they had done biting their Nails for rage at it Thus they got little with God nothing with the King of France and least of all with the World losing that blast of Fame which they thought to have gained in Christendom as soon as it was rumoured about that they repented what they had done Of these Examples one may find a thousand and it is certain that Princes ordinarily repent of all those Maxims of Religion which they make use of sometimes for I know not what reason And it would be much better for them never to embrace them than to repent so suddenly of their so doing losing the favour of Heaven by their Repentance and what they might have got by the Interests of Policy The French are not so simple as the Spaniards and they never touch the Affairs of Religion but with the tips of their fingers M. But methinks yet in the time of Bethlem Gabor they have hugged Religion in their arms P. Alas how thou art couzened Those Maxims of Religion served them only in appearance to cover some particular private Interests which were a foot then in France designing to oblige the Infanta of Spain to yield to I cannot tell you what Marriage without which consideration the Maxims of Policy would have infinitely out-stript those of Religion The French are not so scrupulous they love rather never to embrace the Maxims of Religion than embrace them and repent of them as the Spaniards do Whilst Cardinal Richlieu lived who perfectly understood these Rules the Pope's Nuncio tho' he often set before him the War against Geneva and always proposed the great Maxims of Religion the good Cardinal continually answered him thus Provided the Maxims of Religion do not ruine the Maxims of State And in this manner he dismissed the Nuncio who never went further with him because he saw him much more steered by the Maxims of State than by those of Religion Maxims of Religion are really gross Victuals and fit for common people but those of State are curious bits and only fit for Princes to whose Tables gross Meats ought never to be brought but in times of great necessity it being unfit to fill their stomachs with that which is only good to fill the bellies of the ruder popularity That such Meat is good to satiate common people I grant but to nourish Princes I deny because the same food which serves for nutriment to the People would hurt Princes when they would make use of them because a stomach which is accustomed to delicate Meat is not able to bear grosser food In fine the best Princes leave Maxims of Religion to Monks and Priests as food proportioned to their temper and reserve for themselves Maxims of State as food proper for Princes M. Before I forget prethee tell me what pains the