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A89824 An answer to a book called The Quakers catechism, put out by Richard Baxter. Wherein the slanderer is searched, his questions answered, and his deceit discovered, whereby the simple have been deceived: and the popery proved in his own bosom, which he would cast upon the Quakers. Published for the sake of all who desire to come out of Babylon, to the foundation of the true prophets and apostles, where Christ Iesus is the light and corner stone; where God is building a habitation of righteousness and everlasting peace; where the children of light do rest. Also some quæries for the discovering the false grounds of the literal preist-hood of these days, in the last times of antichrist. If you know the truth, the truth shall make you free. / Iames Nailor. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1655 (1655) Wing N258; Thomason E851_1; ESTC R207416 51,999 51

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and that it is not words we contend about but your whole practise which being found in and condemned words and meanings cannot hide you and if the Scriptures be not right translated as thou pleads then is less confidence to be put in any of you who had it in doing yet thou sayes its a standing rule thus Babylons Children are clashing one against another but all against the Stone by which we see your fruits to be the same with the Pharises change the letter as often as you will wo to him that hath no other guide and rule but that which you have so often chopt and changed and not still wil it please you thou may wel call it a temporall word for you wil make it serve all times or you must want of your wils it s no ha●d thing with you to take Pauls words who wandred up and down in hunger and nakedness 2 Cor. 11. 27. coveted no mans money nor gold nor apparell and was chargeable to none nor took ought against the will of the owner c. and with two or three consequences and meanings from your originall you wil make it prove you four or five hundred a yeer and a great house to live in and this you will not have by favour but force and yet they are thieves that denies to give you their goods when you ask it but now when your practise and Pauls are compared they are as far distant as before could you bend his life as you do his words to your own then might ye deceive the elect but God hath left this a rule for ever by their fruits shall you know them so by your works you are so farre from Paul that you are out-run Balaam and all the false Prophets and greedy dogs you read on in the Scriptures who never took it by force under pretence of a Law taking three for one as you do yet this truth which is as clear as the Sun must be called railing because it falls upon your deceit and because a servant calls master in Scripture sayes thou why may not thou be so called as a minister thou may as wel say because a servant doth own his master why may not I break the commands of Christ and sayes thou Paul he was called a wise master builder I say those words wil not fit thee who would build up thy pride with them he was Paul a Servant and not Master Paul if thou canst own it thou may if not let it alone I say thou must be proved by thy deeds not with wresting his words nor was the masters of assemblies Solomon spoke on such as thou but of one shepheard which the hirelings never knew nor any who would take Solomons words to destroy Christs commands did thou know him thou would not teach men to break one of the least of them much more that which hath ever distinguished false Prophets from true nor is there any one command more plainly expressed nor more faithfully obeyed by his ministers then this that thou art teaching men to break it being now the great controversie with Christ and Antichrist who should be master and who should be bowed to and how loath are his ministers to lose it as is seen by thy crooked wayes thou takes to keep it but thou must lose it and the Lamb must have it who wil not bow to thee and Abraham and Festus and Agrippa cannot bear the out in breaking Christs command those was not forbidden as thy practise Iohn 5. 44. is who art pleading for titles of honour to you Priests as a duty O shame thou infidel how canst thou believe that 's seek●ng for honour from men was ever any m●nister of Christ found in that work and is not this the greatest thing thou stands for in thy book is it not seen whole honour thou art seeking against the commands of Christ nor is he void of the fear of God who denies thee to be a faithfull Minister of Christ who ministers against the command of Christ nor are we so so●t●sh but we can judge who is in the work of Christ and who is against him with lyes saying a Minister of Christ is called Master and that to deny your Greek and Hebrew is to deny Christ as though a naturall language was Christ and thou calls some sacred languages thou ●dolater is not every language natural to them who are b●ed in them is not our Engl●sh as sacred among the Greeks as theirs is here but such as thou wil worship any th●ng rather then the Spirit and after all thy lyes in this book sayes we are not able to charge thee with any c●ime but humaine frailt●es when thou art found full of gross wickedness as in thy book is laid open and here thou may receive an answer to thy query and thou boasts that thou can talk better then we I say thou makes it not appear in thy book for it truth had ordered thy tongue I had not found so many open falsehoods and con●usions as I have laid open already and thou ●ayes thou would thresh and dig and labour if God would give thee leave I say what a God do●t thou serve which will not allow of labour our God condemns ●dleness and sayes if any wil not work neither should he eat but the God of this 2 Thess 3. 10 World is the God of idleness and fulness of bread which the Priests of this nation have been known to serve more than any one sort of people else and thou sayes our prater is a lyer fo● saying if thou had no pay thou would not preach I say prove him a lyar and shame him come out and preach freely and then if he say so of thee I shall say he is a lyar too but I suppose thy Godwil not suffer thee to do this no more than he wil suffer thee to labour for these must go together but let me ask the one question amongst all th●ne qu. The Ministers or Christ said follow us and walk as you have us for examples but if thou should say so to thine and all the Parish masters in this nation also and your hearers should follow you as you do what a nation would here be all idle all proud and covetous all live on the sweat of other mens brews all Masters c. would not this destroy relations who would you have to worship you therefore take heed how you bid them sollow you I have heard o● some of you may be foreseeing part of this have been so wise as to say do as I say but not as I do I say this is plain dealing compared with thee who acts all this charges God with it and when thou ha●t done sayes we are not able to cha●ge thee with any crime so thou would have us to charge it upon him who wil not let the labour 20. qu. Did ever the Lord of Heaven and Earth or Jesus Christ bid thee or any of you go and preach to
this apparent pride for us to be so confident that we are wise and beloved in the eyes of God and that we run about with the shels on our head c. in comparison of thee I say the hellish pride thou hast plainly discovered where it is But whose righteousness is all this by which thou hast thus ingaged God to thee who art but yet praying for the Spirit of truth and grace will God be ingaged with thy graceless lying spirit which thou uses in this thy Book wherein thou utters so many graceless untruths to ingage the world to thee thou art mistaken God will not be so ingaged nor with that Spirit he will be served with his own Thy earnest prayers and righteousness before the Spirit of truth and grace and without it how they ingage God thou mayest read in 1 Kings 18. from the 16. to the 30. and Luke 18. 11 12. and there thou may read thy boasting lines and their acceptance and thy ingagements and thy name We know God freely gives a measure of his Spirit to every one of us freely to profit withal and improving that to his praise we receive more freely and we are so far from ingagement of God by all we do that we finde our selves unprofitable servants but this thou knowest not with thy va●n light words who tells of our running away with the shell on our head Our head thou knows not who must break thee to pieces with all thy light boasting vain words Thou tells of Paul forewarning Timothy to ordain none who was a novice lest he should be lifted up with pride and so fall into the condemnation of the Devil then thou mayest take this back a●ain and apply it and therein read thy self and thy end in whom the pride is sound and not in the Quakers and they are blinde who cannot see it And tho● saist Pride is the master sin of the Quakers and thou proves it because that we go in a poor garb and cry our-against pride as if we were sent from Heaven to perswade men to wear no lace cuffs or points and to damn so many Ministers for being called Master But saist thou spiritual pride is the most killing and so goes on railing against us for these things calling that spirit in scorn An excellent Spirit that can trample on all worldly glory I say Blasphemer thou shalt know when thou hast finished thy rage that thou hast spoken against the holy Spirit of God sent from Heaven which both in Christ and his Apostles did perswade against and condemn such things which thou by the spirit of the Devil would uphold and dost plead for and thou sets down four particulars wherein thou wilt prove our language of Hell and the Devil speaking by our mouthes and the first is They affirm themselves perfect without sin and this thou saist is unpossible and they are mad that believe it I say That we affirm self-perfection is but thy lying slander or that we say we are Christ or God as thou saist we do but that we witness perfection from sin so far as we have received Christ we own it as Gods commands and guift the end of Christs coming and of giving forth his Ministery as these Scriptures may witness Matth. 5. 48. James 1. 17. 1 John 3. 8. Eph. 4. 11 12. 13. And that it was the work of the Ministery whereunto they labored read Col. 1. 28 29. and thou that Ministers against this and calls it the Language of Hell and the Devils mouth which the Scriptures witness art a Blasphemer and a Minister of Antichrist and it s no railing to judge the tree by its fruit and when thou hast done Thou saist the Devil himself hath less pride then to think himself perfect without sin and if we have no sin what need we pray or what need have we of the blood of Christ I say Thy confusion is manifest who before accused us that the Devil spake this in our mouthes and now thou art clearing him of it but what hast thou to do or he either with perfection who art out of Christ and in your own wills worldly-pleasing and envious murtherers in rage what perfection is there unless perfect wickedness neither doth perfection exclude praying and the blood of Christ for in his blood and prayer it is wrought and we kept Thy second thing is That we set up our selves above all the people of God on earth that we vilifie the most holy and eminent servants of God and condemn all the Churches of the World To which I shall say no more but this That these are three of thy lies rancked up together lest thou should fail Thy third thing is That we damn all the people of God for 1600. years at least I say This may well be matter of offence to thee to deny all thy Generation since the Pop● to this day therefore thou call'st it unmatchable pride but ●or those whom you have tortured martyred and burned whipt and imprisoned to this day who suffered for conscience sake follow●ng the Lamb in their measure them we own and with them we suffer though thou say God had never such a people on earth of these mens ways yet was this the Church of Christ whereof he was the head and is the head and there it was visible and there it is to all who are not blinde but none of these pleaded for honorable Titles as thou dost nor none ever did that believed such was ever out of the faith read James 2. to the 10 verse John 5. 4. and 44. and if these be the few Hereticks thou tells on that thou says were our Predecessors of old I say We cannot but own these in their measure though we go under the name of Hereticks with them by the same Generation Thy fourth thing is That which thou callest our proud scornful railing Language which thou saist should put it out of doubt what spirit we are of to any who are acquainted with Christs Spirit and of Satan and are able to judge of Spirits and know darkness from light I say The Language of Christ we use to thee who a●t found in the work of Satan therefore thou canst not bear it but thy filthy ●nclean words thou hast cast upon us in thy Book which none in Scripture ever used we shall leave to the judgement of Him that judges Spirits and to all who know light from darkness But thou fore-seeing thy self guilty makes an Objection It is Scripture Language which they speak and when thou hast done deceitfully answerest saying The greater your presumptious sin in making so ill an use of Scripture Language and calls it serving Satan and thus thou proves i● saying What if Christ called Judas a Devil is it therefore lawful to call Peter so I say yea If Peter be found in the Devils work Matth. 16. 23. much more thou and thy Generation who none of you yet came so far as Peter who denyed all to follow Christ but
a people or was any of the Apostles or Ministers o● Christ made Ministers by the wil of man To this thou answers after the old way and begins another story telling the Lord called the Apostles by his own voyce and le●t them to call one another to the end of the world end to prove this untruth thou brings Mat. 28. 21. which Chapter hath not 21. verses in but there is not one verse in that chapter nor in all the book that sayes that the Apostles was to leave such an order to the end of the world so that a verse beyond number is fittest to quote for such a ly but what Apostle was that who least order with the Pope from whom all the Parish Teachers both in this Nation and many more have had their ordination and holy order since the Pops tieme he ●●ves from Peter and if thou say so tool I shall not believe you till I see ●●tter proofe than yet thou hast quoted but thou proceeds to deny any t● expect a call from Heaven and the signes of thy call thou sets down First thy competent qualification yet hast thou nought freely but so hard to study for it that thou hast no time to work and that never was Christs call nor qualification 2. Thy thirst after the good of souls yet thou knows not what the soul is 3. The ordination of authorised Church officers what sort those are and the rise of them hath been declared before 4. The call of the people and their consent over whom he hath set thee I say none that ever was sent by Christ ever went to ask consent of the People 5. The success of thy labours but how many of thy hearers are set free from sin yea thy self yet a lyar 7. Some testimony of the Spirit yet thou denies any infallibility and that Spirit with the Spirit of God that never erred is denyed These seven sayest thou set together are the signes of Christs call and thy mission shew you the like if you can to which I say never any of Christs Ministers shewed the like nor do I neither and thou tels the old taile over again that no immediate call since the Apostles which thou never proved yet and thou concludes wil not all this suffice I say those who know not the Scriptures nor the power of God may trust thee and be sufficed with a lye but who knows either sees whence thou art was not Annanias and Barnabas and others in the Scriptures called immediately Acts 9 10 11. and with the power and Spirit by which I am called immediately Acts 13. 2. do I testifie against thee with the Scripture 21. qu. Whether had any Ministers of Christ an hour glass to preach by or tooke a Text and raised Doctrine uses Reasons Motives or a carnall BELL to call people together by prove these things by plaine SCRIPTURE or else be silent and never profess your selves to be Ministers of Christ more And to this thou answers with telling of Spectacles Doublet and Breeches and such like vain words but dare not compare your practise with the SAINTS in SCRIPTVRE thou will not be tryed by thy own standing Rule but sayes these are purposely left by Christ to be determined of humane providence what providence is that which is humane providence to Iohn 16. 13. which your worship of God is least is his worship humane and your tythes divine they who worship in truth have the Spirit of Truth to guide them into all truth in his whole worship but your humane providence hath led you out of that worship in all things and thou sayes thou can limit thy selfe and not limit the Spirit so the spirit and thou are not one I say I know selfe orders thee and thy times are in thy own hands but with Christ and his it never was the query is of the manner of thy worship and thou answers did the Apostles preach in Doublets and Breeches is Doublets and Breeches forms of Gods worship a man may alter Doublets and Breeches but may he alter the form of worship which Christ appointed The Saints meet together sayes thou and did not stay two or three dayes therefore why may not I have an Hour-glass I say they meet together sometimes stayed whole dayes and sometimes whole nights as they was moved and this did not limit the Spirit but can you therefore set an hour to begin and end for hundreds of years by a glass or by a clock either and not limit the Spirit if thou knew the spirit and its moving thou would know to the contrary Christ would not go to worship at his own time nor any that knows the Spirit but they are ordered by it both for time and manner but this the wolves never knew thou sayes if thou had our spirit thou should be angry at the hour-glass and preach the people out of their places I say thou art a man pleaser who keeps an Hour-glass to please the People and a man pleaser can●ot please God but the hireling must do his work as may assure him of his wages if people set you your work its fit that they should have it done in their own time and after that manner they like best this we should not deny you did you not pretend ministers of Christ but if Christ set a work it s as much reason that he should have the like freedome to order his workmen seeing he never sends his to the wo●ld for counsel nor hire this we know though thou dost not and thou sayes Christ took a Text and applyed it and this thou would bring to prove your litterall Ministry to be the Ministry of Christ I say Christ took a Text and said it was fulfilled in him but if you take no Text but what is fulfilled in Mic. 3. 5. you then you must take only such as Iohn 10. 12 13. and those Scriptures Mat. 23. that tel of a Priesthood that were called of men Masters bore Ier. 5. 31. rule by their means cryed peace while people put into their mouthes but if not prepared wars that were proud and covetous taught for flecces beat and cast out of Synagogues wolves in Sheeps cloathing c. these and such like which sure your practise you must take and then say this day is these Scriptures fulfilled in your ears and then read your portion so take your own then you are no thieves for the word of God you have not nor was it ever preached in your manner nor for your ends and your dividing is to cry peace though God hath not spoken peace in the conscience and are daubers and tread the Lambs under your feet read Ezek. 22 25. 26. and you may see what d●viders you are and what it is you divide 22. qu Whether are not they that bear rule by their means and seek for their gain from their quarter and seek for the fleece and make a prey on the people and are