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A77832 A vindication of the book called, Some Gospel-truths opened; according to the Scriptures, and the opposition made against it by Edward Borrough, a professed Quaker, (but proved an enemie to the truth) examined and confuted by the word of God. And also, the things that were then laid down, and declared to the world by me, are a second-time born witness to, according to truth: with the answer of Edward Burrough to the quæries then laid down in my book reproved. And also, a plain answer to his quæries, given in simplicitie of soul; and is now also presented to the world, or who else may read, or hear them; to the end (if God will) that truth may be discovered thereby. / by John Bunyan ... Bunyan, John, 1628-1688.; Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662.; Bunyan, John, 1628-1688. Some gospel-truths opened according to the Scriptures. 1657 (1657) Wing B5606; ESTC R170889 81,202 76

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that I should say They are deceived who owne Christ no otherwaies then as he was before the world began This Question I briefely aske thee Had Christ a body of flesh before the World began If you say no as you must if you say true Then do not I say true when I say they are deceived who own Christ no otherwise then as he was before the world began because they owne him not with that body of flesh which he took of the Virgin Mary and so are Antichrists as the Scripture saith And how say you Do you believe that the same Christ who was ●efore the World without a body did in time come into the world and t●ke a bodie from the Virgin and in that bodie did obtain everlasting redemption for sinnesr and is gone with that very body into the presence of his Father above the clouds into heaven from his Saints on earth though in them by his spirit A plain answer to this would unlock your double meanings Again thou saiest the Saints drank of the spiritual Rcck that followed them Friend I confesse that that spirituall Rock that did follow the Fathers and long after was from the same loines with them even from the loins of Abraham and the rest of the children of the promise according to the promise was the meat and drink of Saints Rom. 9.4 5. But to look upon Christ no otherwise then as he was before the world was which was a spirit onely and not to own him now clothed with a bodie absent from his children touching the same bodie I dare be bold to say they are no Christians but Antichristians yea Antichrists He that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is Antichrist and of Antichrist Again At this also thou wranglest because I said that every Spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ who was with the Father before the world was did in the appointed time of the father come into the World take a body upon him and was very man as well as very God and did in that very body suffer what did belong to the sons of men c. So my book page 42. 43. 44. I answer if thou didst indeed believe the truth thou wouldest owne these things But being deceived rather then thou wilt let this pass for truth though thou dare not oppose it with open face yet thou wilt put on a vaile and venture upon it thus saying If every spi●it were of God w●ich doth confesse in words this then is not the Pope himselfe Antichrist Answer Friend it is one thing to confesse the things in words and another thing to believe them and to make a life out of them and therefore is thy life made out of Christ without thee by the operation of his spirit within thee yea or no Then in answer to my bidding people receive no Christ except God's Christ thou saiest thus That Christ is a mistery and unto him is light and shall be salvation where his person never came Th●s Question I aske thee did or doth Christ obtaine salvation for any without that ●●●y which he took of the Virgin And yet thou saiest it cannot be said here is the place where the Son is not I answer as the Son of God is also very man so it may be said here is the place where he is not and there is the place where he hath not been though as he is God it is otherwise let him that reads understand And now passing by many things that I might justly examine and also many unseemly expressions I come to the next thing and that is where you say you wrest not the Scrripture in Joh. 1.9 But it is evident that you do most horribly wrest it in that you though you seem to take it in the plaine words yet would hold that that light is the Spirit of Christ notwithstanding there is no such thing mentioned in that Scripture For marke as I have sometimes said and now also will say that that light wherewith Christ as he is God hath lightened every one with is not the Spirit of Christ as is cleere in that some are sensuall having not the Spirit which they must needs have if it were given to every one that comes into the World and therefore in that you say I say you lay down that scripture false I say again that you say many things which I do know to be blasphemie as I shall prove cleerely anon as also I have already And therefore to take thee off from this I shall say that Christ as he is a mediator a man between God and man so he doth not lighten every man that comes into the World though as he is God he doth And that is manifest where he often as he was man saith These things are spoken to them that are without in parables that seeing they might not see and hearing they might not understand Luk 8.10 And again where Judas not Iscariot said Lord how is it that thou wilt manifest thy self to us and not unto the world He saith If a man love me he will keep my sayings and my Father will love him and we I as Mediatour and my Father as reconciled in me will manifest our selves unto him Joh. 14.21.23 And again No man knoweth the Father but the Son That is no man knoweth him as a Father but the Son and he to whom the Son will reveal him Mat. 11.27 But above all take that Scripture where the Son saith I thank thee O Father Lord of heaven and earth because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent and hast revealed them to Babes ver 25. Here the Son and the Father are speaking one to another the Father he hides the glorious things of the Gospel from the world Mat 11.25 26 27. and the Son he rejoices in so doing At that same houre Jesus rejoiced in Spirit and said I thank thee O Father c. Therefore understand thus much that though Christ as he is God doth give to every man a light which is Conscience otherwise called Nature Rom. 2.14 1 Cor. 11.14 yet it doth not follow that every man hath enlightning from Christ as he is Mediatour No Christ as he is Mediatour doth neither pray for the world Joh. 17.9 neither doth he give his Spirit to all that are in the world for some are sensual and have it not But now the argument that thou do'st bring to colour the contrary with is this For what the Father doth saiest thou the Son doth also Answ Though this be true that the Son doth what the Father doth yet it doth not appear that either the Father or the Son hath given the Spirit to every one that comes into the world Again thou saiest thou deniest those that say That light which every ono hath as he coms into the world is Conscience though some call it Christ falsly Jude 19. Answ Friend What wilt thou have it called Christ No. If not Conscience
Dives's of this and all other ages would be glad if they might have but the least favour from you one drop of cold water on the tip of your fingers O you Despised begging Lazarus's as in Luk. 16.24 For the world for all their stoutnesse must be forced to come to judgment before your Lord and you 1 Cor. 6.23 This honour have all his Saints Psal 149. Now seeing that these things be so I beseech you by those the mercies of God that you do give up your bodies as hands tongue strength health wealth and all that you have and are to the service of God your God Rom. 12.1 2. Let your moderation in every thing be knowne to all men for the Lord is at hand Phil. 4.5 3. Study to walk as like the Lord Jesus Christ as ever you can for for your lives Mat. 11.29 4. Let that you strive for be the faith of the Gospell of your precious Lord Jesus Phil. 1.27 And not any earthly advantages 5. Let your conversation be as becometh the Gospell Phil. 27. 6. Let your hearts be alwaies in heaven where our Lord Jesus is Col. 3.1 2 3. 7. Forbeare and forgive one another in love and with all your hearts as God for Christ sake hath forgiven you Eph. 5.2 8. Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and glorifie your Father which is in heaven Mat. 5.16 9. You are the Salt of the earth have a care you loose not your savour Mat. 5.13 10. Be forward to distribute to those that are in want for this is well-pleasing to your most glorious loving Father Heb. 13.16 11. Learn all one of another the things that are good for this is the command of God and also commendable in Saints Phil. 3. ver 17. 12. And lastly O Brethren consider what the Lord hath done for you hee hath bought you and paid for you with his blood and he doth now also make it his businesse to pray for your safe conduct to glory Heb. 7.25 He hath delivered you from those that would have been your ruine and hath promised to you everlasting life Let the love of Christ constrain you let the love of God win upon your souls What! he that spared not his own Son but delivered him up for us all How shall he not with him freely give us all things Hold out my brethren hold out for you have but a little while to run Hold fast unto the death and Christ will give you a crown of life Revel 2.10 Farewel dear brethren The mighty God of Jacob preserve and deliver you from every evil work and all the daies of our pilgrimage let us pray one for another that our God would count us worthie of this rich and glorious calling and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodnesse and the work of Faith with power to whom be glory now and ever And now Reader before I make and end of this discourse I think it meet to let thee understand that though there hath been a Book put forth by Edward Borrough in seeming opposition to that of mine called Some Gospel-Truths opened according to the Scripture Yet the substance of my discours then published by me standeth uncontrouled by Scripture as from him or others I do not say he doth not wrangle with them but I say he doth not by any one plain Scripture contradict them As for instance The First great thing that I do hold forth in that discourse is this That that Babe that was born of the Virgin Mary and that at that time did give satisfaction for sin was the very Christ of GOD and not a type of any thing afterward to be revealed for the obteining redemption for sinners within them Which thing my Adversary can find no ground in Scripture to build an opposition vpon see his Book page 12. but is forced to confesse it in word though he do deny the very same in doctrine see his Book p. 29. at his sixth Quaerie And p. 27. where in answer to this question of mine Why did the man Christ hang on the Crosse on mount Calvarie All the answer he gives is this Because they wickedly judged him to be a blasphemer and as in their account saith he he died as an evil doer And this is all the ground he giveih See his Answer to my second Quaerie in this my book taken word for word as he laid them down 2. The next thing I do prove in that book is That that light which every one hath is not the spirit of Christ because the Scripture saith some have it not Jude 19. But Edward Borrough saith it is given to every one p. 18. of his Booke and he saith they have it within them too p. 26 of his Book in answer to my first question though he have no Scripture to confirm the same as I have had to contradict it See his book 3. The next thing I prove is That Jesus Christ did fulfill the Law in his own person without us for justification and that his blood then shed hath washed away the sins of the children of God as aforesaid Which thing he would oppose but finds no footing for his discourse See his book p. 12. where he saith the Law is not fulfilled Read the latter end of that page contrary to Scripture Col. 2.14 Rom. 10 4. which saith He did fulfill all the Law for justification for every one that believeth Another thing I prove in that book is That Christ is ascended into that heaven without above the clouds and stars and that I prove by eight several Scripture demonstrations of which not one is confuted by Scripture though secretly in his book smitten against Read his whole book 4. The next thing I prove is That the same Jesus that was born of Mary laid in the manger who is the Saviour is at this day making intercession in that bodie he then took of Mary which thing also is not confuted by him by the Scripture though cunningly smitten against in his discourse where he saith It is onely necessary to salvation to preach Christ within laying aside all that Christ did when he was in his own person in the world See p. 29 of his Book Qu. 6. 5. Another truth I prove is That the very same Jesus that was born of Mary that very man that was also hanged on the Crosse will come the second time and that shall be to save his children and to Judge the world at the last day that great day of Judgment And though they will not own that he shall so come as he went away which was a very man without yet they could not at all by the Scripture contradict it But the very summe of his discourse is a wrangling with the thing laid down as a Dog with a bone but hath not nor cannot by Scripture overcome the same This have I written that the Reader into whose hand this book may come may have the more certain