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A85071 The Faithfull narrative of the late testimony and demand made to Oliver Cromwel, and his powers, on the behalf of the Lords prisoners, in the name of the Lord Jehovah (Jesus Christ,) king of saints and nations. Published by faithful hands, members of churches (out of the original copies) to prevent mistakes, and misreports thereupon. To the faithful remnant of the Lamb, who are in this day of great rebuke and blasphemy, ingaged against the beast and his government, especially, to the new non-conforming churches, and saints in city and country, commonly called by the name of fifth monarchy men. Horton, Hur. 1655 (1655) Wing F278; Thomason E830_20; ESTC R207450 41,484 44

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reproach of pure Religion and undefiled This is the summe of our Message which we are sent to deliver to you in the name of the Lord and whether you will hear or whether you will forbear we leave it with you and to your conscience before God the Righteous Judge of heaven and earth After long waiting they obtained accesse and all Twelve being present together one as the mouth of them delivered the message but the word DEMAND would not go down wel but the Lord Cromwel told them that Mr. Feak and Mr. Rogers suffered not for conscience but as evil-doers and busie bodies in other mens matters One of the Twelve then said if so why were they not tryed by some known and just law and convicted for evil doers but to keep them there in so long and cruell Imprisonment without shewing cause was contrary to Gods law and the just laws of men besides they were sick and weakly men but he said he would put it to an Issue upon Friday or Tuesday as he said Mr. Rogers should be brought before him On the sixth day of this twelfth Moneth being the third day of the week the Brethren and sisters many of them of the Society met together and with much difficulty got into the prison to pray with Mr. Rogers which they continued till between three and four of the clock and then they were called away by the Gaoler to go to White-Hall according to his Lord Protectors Order so that in the name of another the Lord Protectour of heaven and earth the great Jehovah whose face they had so solemnly and so often sought for his presence with them Mr. Rogers set out of Lambeth along with Harding his Keeper Febr. 6. last 1654. and the rest from the Church-society twenty Brethren being the most going along with him much rejoycing as they went according to Acts 5.41 that they were so honoured to be called before men for the Name Faith and Cause of Jesus and when they came to Whitehall Bridge others of the dear Saints of several Churches waiting with tears and prayers and acclamations partly of joy and partly of grief to receive him and with an unamimous Suffrage and signal tokens of love to him and to this blessed Cause he suffers in they prayed the Lords presence to accompany him so we passed by and Mr. Rogers was by his Keeper carried into the Chamber hard by the Councel Chamber but the Keeper onely had admittance into the long Gallery to give notice that the Prisoner was there but by and by he came out again and told Mr. Rogers and his friends that they must all go down again and go through the Guard chamber but Mr. Rogers answered that was strange being come so near where the Great Man was they must now go down to go through the Guard Chamber and about again but the Keeper answered they must do it he had order for it which he did not in the least resisting but the main end was as they found afterwards to try whether they were sword-proof or no So by force Mr. Rogers and his friends were carried the other way back again through the Guard-Chamber many other people flocked about them the Keeeper going foremost Mr. Rogers and his wife next to him and his friends following close after him untill they came up to the Guard Chamber-doore immediately was the word of Command given to the Guard who assoon as they saw them and us coming in fell foully upon us with their swords and their Halberds saying The harsh usage of the poore persecuted fisth Monarchy-men Keep back Keep back to which Mr. Rogers answered with all his heart he would go back but his Keeper would not let him we also said if they would give us liberty we would go back as fast as we could but they wruld not hear us but fell upon us with a word and a blow slashing and striking in a most violent manner calling us Rogues damned Rogues and evacuating the most venomous words in their bellies c. but we told them not one of us had a weapon but the Bible in their hands some had and so we told them but some said the sword of the Spirit would be too hard for them one day which occasioned them to be the more violent who struck to choose at their Bibles hands and heads and so followed them sighting slashing and beating the poore naked Christians all the way into the Court again and there laying about them too and saying they cared not for their Bibles still inculcating insulting and calling us damned Rogues and cursed dogs and the like but Mr. Rogers and two or three more were shut in among their swords whiles the rest of the brethren were kept without in the Court and did with very much patience bear all their railings reproachings scoffs scorns flouts jeers and injuries offered them all the while by the Souldiers and others of the Court-creatures in the mean time Mr. Rogers with two or three more were brought into the Chamber of Henry the eighth where were many Gentlemen of the Court complexion some excusing the aforesaid violence and assault saying it was by accident to which he answered he conceived it not but that it was rather a plot and for ought he knew there might be a designe to murder some or other for the word was given to fall on and it is conceived by most that they did it on purpose to raise us to a mutiny that so they might have had at least in appearance or pretence some or a more Just Cause against Mr. Rogers and his friends in Church fellowship with him for the Guardians confesse they did but as they were commanded Whilest some were excusing this affront put upon Christ and his persecuted Churches others said it was good enough for us and it was pity we were not worse used than we were Mr. Rogers in the interim was talking with others and two of the Guard told him how sorry they were their fellows were so rough and drew their swords slashing so fiercely and what a mercy it was no more mischief was done seeing they had the command given them to do what they did and that it was the readinesse of some amongst them against us especially the outlandish There was a short discourse between Mr. Rogers and some others A.S. Why did you come up there Mr. R. We were sent for and commanded to come yea brought by force upon you Nota. and by your Masters Command who fell a slashing us with your swords so that it is probable it was a Design against us on purpose else why should peaceable men that had no kind of weapons in their hands or about them without sword or stuffe but onely the Bibles with us poore naked men and women be forced by Order and command to come before your Master and be thus abused affronted slashed and driven into dangers but the Lord is righteous who will judge W.F. But
be as evil doers O.P. I cannot tell you then how to help it B. H. For my part I must declare against you and will venture my life if I be called to it with these our brethren that suffer B. Cr. As for those Articles we have heard them read against our bro. Ro. out of his Sermons preached at Tho. Apost and from what he prayed at Th. Apost Set aside but what is put in by your Informers which we wil take our Oathes that heard them all preached were never spoken by him only I say that excepted we will live and die with him upon those Articles will own him with our lives Yea said Mr. Ro. and I believe an hundred will that heard and writ them O. P. Well saith he I 'll send for some of you ere long but I have lost this time and have publike business upon me at this time I had rather have given 500 l. I tell you there wants brotherly love and the several sorts of Forms would cut the throats one of another should not I keep the peace Ro. Those you call Fifth Monarchy-men are driven by your Sword to love one another O.P. Why I tell you there be Anabaptists pointing at Mr. Kifsin and they would cut the throats of them that are not under their Forms so would the Presbyterians cut the throats of them that are not of their Forms and so would you Fifth Monarchy-men It is sit to keep all these Forms out of the Power Ro. Who made you my Lord a Judge of our Principles You speak evil of you know not what For that Fifth Monarchy-principle as you call it is of such a latitude as takes in all Saints all such as are sanctified in Christ Jesus without respect of what Form or Judgement he is But Judiciuns fit secundum vim intellectualis luminis He was interrupted O.P. What do you tell us of your Latine Ro. Why my Lord you are Chancellor of Oxford and can you not bear that Language B. C. My Lord we have great comfort by the Ministery of our brother Rogers and great miss of him and therefore we have demanded his Liberty and desire to know whether he shall be at liberty or no. O.P. I will take my own time you shall not know what I will do B. H. Then let us have liberty to hear him preach S. Dendy It cannot be my Lord for I have many prisoners and 't is dangerous * And yet for all S. Dendy's baseness to the poor persecuted people of God And his readiness to prevent the great mans answer he can let in as many as will come to the drunken profane prisoners plotters so that friends are glad to use their names if they know any of them that come to see Mr. Rogers Ro. Pray my Lord consider that place in Isa 49.24 25 26. for the Lord will deliver the lawful Captive in that day which is coming you can but have my blood at last and you had like to have had it already in the Prison ere this two of my children have died there since my imprisonment and I have been at Deaths-door B. H. It is unreasonable our brother Ro. should be kept prisoner so in such a place and at such a charge as is for him above 200 l. per an and we know no cause for it but his conscience Then S. Dendy was spoken to to answer for himself S. D. Now my Lord I see one of my Accusers I never demanded a peny of Mr. Ro. nor of my Aunt his wife who is one of Sir Robert Payne's daughters O.P. I knew her father very well S. D. But they have my Lord three rooms and it cannot be allowed Ro. No more room then one prisoner had before being divided into three little rooms and but one chimney in them All. The Plotter that went out before I came into them had them All. And for the Fees though you in person demanded them not yet your man old Measey did for you several times viz. 4 l. 4 s. per week which he did before witness as I can prove under their hands and he said I should not go out till the Sergeant had it And what besides I was to pay you I was not to know till I went out Mrs. Ro. said to Sergeant Dendy It 's true you have had but 5 l. yet of it O.P. Why he is your Nephew who was accounted one that loved the people of God Ro. So were others as well as he till this trial Mr. Cre. My Lord will you not give us the liberty to hear him in the Prison then seeing you will not let us hear him abroad O.P. Is that the liberty you sought for says he in a scoff Mr. Cr. Yes Sir and that which we demand But then the Great man would be gone and as he was going out Mr. Ro. desired him to remember he must be judged and the day of the Lord was neer and that he would ere long and those about him finde them that now he and they counted false Prophets in Windsor and Lambeth true Prophets and what they have said they should finde come to pass ere many yeers yet for that the righteous Jehovah who sitteth on high heareth all our prayers sighs groans and tears But away he went and would not hear As soon as we came out of the room Sergeant Dendy in the Gallery threatned what he would do and how he would send them further off and order them ere long Mr. Rogers receiving the threatning without impatience or one word of reply unto him That very night a strict Order was sent after him to Lambeth-prison that no more then six may come to see Mr. R. at a time no such Order being made for any of the other Prisoners who have of lend company as many as they will at a time And since that the Gaoler hath been so strict especially upon the Lords days according to his Orders from Whitehal that he will not suffer one brother to come in to see him or to pray with him that is sent from the Churches of Christ upon those days if he knows him to keep a holy rest with Mr. R. In the mean time the Contumelies Contempt and opprobrious abuses the members of Mr. Peak's Mr. Rogers's Mr. Raworth's and of some other Churches met with below in the yard during the foresaid Discourse with O. Cromwel But to pass over that and leave it to the Judge of heaven and earth who we are sure will not overpass it During this Discourse between Mr. R. and the Great man above the Brethren that were below in the yard had their share of reproaches and abuses For the members of the Churches of Christ who could not have access with Mr. Ro. were kept below and encompassed about with divers of the deboist Souldiers who when they heard us declare against those barbarous actions which the Guard so cruelly acted with their Swords against our naked brethren and friends those