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A79817 The reclaimed papistĀ· Or The process of a papist knight reformd by a Protestant lady wth [sic] the assistance of a Presbyterian minister and his wife an Independent. And the whole conference, wherby that notable reformation was effected. J. V. C. (John Vincent Canes), d. 1672. 1655 (1655) Wing C435; Thomason E1650_1; ESTC R209116 94,350 241

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put both the Byshopricks into one and gave him beath together Wine and wife are to mee as Bath and Wells Let me have beath as the Scotchman said VIC Go your wayes go Wer it not that you cast a glance of your eye now and then upon me when you ar in your pulpet you would be but a dry preacher T is even so Madam LA. Even so be it THIRD DIALOGUE VIC LO I com according as it is written Psa 40.9 Dear Madam good morrow to your Lap. It seemes I am the first to day somewhat earlier than ordinary but so it is written Thou shalt heare my voyce betimes in the morning Psa 5. O Sr Harry wellcom wellcom you could not stay long from us when both the spirit and the bride say Com Rev. 22. I le be the spirit for once especially when I am got up in a morning out of my bed And why not I pray you sith the very ruler of darknes when people are got up for conformities sake transforms himself into an angel of light 2. Cor. 11.14 KN. Health and happines attend my noble Lady this day and ever It pleases my eye Madam to behold the chear of your countenance this morning wch seems to promis to my purposes a good succes LA. I doubt not of good successe both to my wishes and your own if you will but relent a little of that hardnesse and obstinacy is in a manner naturall unto Papists I would not Sr Harry proceed so rigorously as to request you all at once to abjure the whole body of popery but to let fall at first the super fluous parts of it that do hāg looser on and be of least concernment and use and to stand so disposed as to think obstinacy unhandsom in any thing Papists say truely that they are built on a rock I think all their whole church is rock for one may as soon wth his teeth bite off a piece of marble as wrest from them any of their very least opinions so firm tenacious and obstinat ye be all of you Nay to save a whole Kingdom you will relent nothing at all What a masse of money did Harry the eigth spend for six yeares together in Embassadours and agents in Italy France Spain and Germany to procure the testimonys of Universityes and yet he was not able either for love or money although he were a magnanimous noble Prince to purchase so much as the hands or consent of any one University for the lawfulnesse of his affection to his sweet Lady Anne Bullen And the popes Cardinals although they received no small weight of good English gold from our Princely Harry insomuch that they could have wisht he had had his fill of her yet would they not be brought by any means to say he might lawfully do it Your Popes themselvs tho I confes they have been many of them very holy and learned personages yet som of them hav been known to be as bad as the worst and yet even thes have been as Zealous of the integrity of their faith as the greatest Saints and would sooner do ill than say it might be done Simony Pride Gluttony known and acknowledgd sins these some of them would act of their own accord but all the power of earth summond together should not force any of them to abrogat one article of their faith or traditions though it were but the sprinckling of holy water I read not long ago in an authentick story that the nobls and Prelats of England perceiving the resolution rage of K. Harry upon the forementiond affront certified the Pope by a privat Embassadour that if he did not some what relent and condescend to the Kings desires the whole frame of Catholik Religion in England wch already crackt would be utterly overthrown the nobility disgraced monasterys ruind Byshops deposed thousands imprisond and perhaps martyrd and the whole land undon To wch the pope replied frantick man as he was though the whole body of Christs church should be destroyed yea tho heaven and earth should mingle together in its old Chaos of confusion yet would he not declare that lawfull wch in conscience he thought was not so What a crabbed perversnesse was this He was certainly no Gentleman S ● Harry that would not be perswaded tho heaven and earth should come together to chang his judgment KN. To be obstinat and heady in our own proper opinions is oftimes unseasonabl and unhandsom But the tradition wch the Church preservs is the very depositum of our B. Saviour whether it concern faith or manners practicall or speculativ beleef and no conceptions of privat or human judgments and therfor in al honesty to be preserved entire by the trustee of our Lord who committed it unto his church wth this caution that not one jota or apex therof should be altered And therfore that Pope who would not declare against his conscience although heaven and earth should com together did no more than what his Lord and Maister had said before him Heaven and earth shall pass away my word shall not pass not one jota orapex therof Luc. 21. And it was a doubl madnes in Harry the eigth doing himself evil to expect the church of God should say it was good Nor be there Madam in Faith any superfluous parts but the whole body of it hangs so cōcatenated and cemented together that the taking away of any one particl would ruin the whole fabrick nor will you find in faith any portion less strong than another but al equally invincible Som may be more leading points wherupon others depend and more materiall in their quality but in respect of our beleef the least hath as much firmnes of truth as the greatest And wtsoever sophistry may seem to shake any one apply the like engin to any other and in shall do as much that is to say in very truth nothing at al whatsoever it may appear to do in self beguiling minds Wherfore Madam bereaving me of any of my faith you rob me of all for it is an uncontroulable rule in faith what the Apostle also does as in a good sense it may be applied unto manners Qui delinquit in un● factus est omnium reus Jam. 2.10 He that fails in one is made guilty of all This you would easily understand if you would consider how we receivd our faith and Christian doctrin For it was all equally handed to us at once and that from the autority of one and the same originall and it was extant in the world before any Scriptures were pend And these sacred Scripturs and other pious Books and also all generall councells that hav ever been celebrated in the Church were formed afterwards directed swayed rectified and ordered by this rule of Traditional doctrin committed to the Church and kept by her So that issuing conformably from one and the same sours all points of faith have an equall proportion of truth however they may differ in their own
right in all my thoughts and actions and therfor indeed when they be presented to you they com not as offerings of worth but of duty though I should my self take most pleasur in duty that is serviceable Altho Sr I had not a motiv of obligation the great temperance and moderation I have observed in you such as I have seldom seen in young Gentlmen of your age your retired disposition self sufficiency to live contentedly in your own breast whilst others wth much expens of time seck themselvs abroad would hav invited me to the boldnes of this addres for books love to be presented to the hands of such as will peruse them Wch way soever your inclination bends in matter of Religion either my Knights discours will answer to it or at least the reasonings of his three opponents against him either his valour in the defence of his Religion or his fall from it Three things I have mainly aimed at in these conferences that they should be useful familiar and new Usefull and beneficiall both by the choise of a grave and weighty subject such as is Religion and vertue also by a rational vindication defence therof Familiar and easy both by an ordinary form of words natural and proper to the language wherin they be written and by the easy flowing strain wthout any logical collection of syllogism or citation of authours autority of Latin sentences Unusuall and new both by handling such things as have not yet at least for aught I know been treated of by abstaining both from all common places heads of controversys well have been already over and over and more than enough discust and also from the ordinary way of handling them if they do chance as in the fift Dialog they do to light in my way For we find that a crambical repetition of the same things brings a nauscousnes upon men how important soever the things in themselvs may be peopl also are now run into new ways of errour and ther for new ways must be thought on to reduce them This purpos of mine I am sure is good but God knows how far I have hit it Wher any man that is my friend perceivs me to fail let him not spend time in vain to chide and censur me but help me for his helping hand I do humbly crave of him if he be an enemy let him use his discretion If I find these three Dialogues pleas I shal be encouraged to bring up the arrear The book is perfect already of it self yea each particular Dialogue is a book wthout dependance of another but the Papist yeelds not till the last where he submits either to the understanding of his two opponents or to the will of his Lady either to the great beauty of theyr reason or to the reason of her great beauty The parson is absent in the last Dialog but the Vicares fights it out to the last and leavs not the field till she see the Knight prostrated at the Ladys feet whose constant champion she was So that the papists overthrow must indeed be attributed to the Vicaresses valour who therfor fell becaus she disputed according to that kind of demonstration Artistotle makes mention of Sol lucet quia Socrates ambulas Noble Sr continue still to love him whose gratest pleasur is to serv you J. B. V. F. C. THE FIRST DIALOG LADY I have Sr Harry according to my promis brought here a worthy Divine to inlighten you in the way of truth to the end that the lettance of popery removd we may at length com to that period you have so earnestly and so long desired For I am resolvd before the conclusion of any such match either wth your self or any other so to provide aforehand that I may meet wth nothing afterwards to disturb my union repos and peace with him I wed my self VICARES So indeed it is written In the beginning God made heaven and earth And then afterwards he gav himself rest Gen. 1. LADY Your birth and breeding Sr is noble your person pleases me well and your natur is very agreable I lov your deportment your spirit is very pregnant and its endowments numerous your conditions all good your fortun is plausibl and kinred renownd your knowledge and activity equally high and comendable your conversation towards all men sober prudent and sincerly just Onely one things spoils all your other good qualitys you are a Papist VICARE It spoils all indeed according as t is written One knot of dead flies spoils a whol box of ointment Eccl. 10. LADY To deal sincerly with you I lov not popery this you must renounce or me If som few conferences with this worthy orthodox may avail to that purpos your conversion once effected I am yours KNIGT Madam I shall be willing to learn very glad you may be sure to gain two paradises at once MINISTER Well Sr I will show you in scriptur that ther is not in the whol word of God any such thing as Masses Popes Breviaries Missals Monks Cardinals Nuns Beads Liturgy Shrines Altars Vows Indulgences Lents Purgatory Dirges Priests Free-will Rosarys Merit Jesuits and the rest of popish medly VICARES Well don sweet-heart lay his load upon him that he may feel it and couch under it for so it is written Issachar is a strong ass couching down between two burdens Gen. 49. You use to say that Issachar it Greek for a papist and the two burdens a pair of panniers fild with popish trumpery LADY Fair and softly good D that we may not irritat but heal Proceed we step by step that my good Knight may chearfully accompany us in our conference beginning first with generalitys Sr. Harry you must not be obstinat in old errours but be willing upon good sufficient motivs to leav any whatsoever opinion be it never so antient T is antiquity keeps you hood winkt VICARES Old things ar past away behold all things ar becom new saith the Scripture 2 Cor. 4. MINISTER The multiform grace and industry of severall reformers raised by the Lord have brought things to light wch wer hidden in former ages And you may see daily new discoverys made both by particular persons and parlaments Luthers lamp that was first held up in the midst of darknes reveald very much of truth afortime unknown but after him severall other torches lighted at his opend yet more in severall Christian Countries I need not travell far to show you this Our English writers from Harry the eight unto this present day will make it sufficiently manifest unto you if you could peruse them how that still the succeeding Doctours added ever new degrees of light to the discoverys of forgoing divines Parlaments in the sam manner did not all at once remov superstition out of the land but perfected the work of reformation by degrees wch is indeed a progres most conformable both to to natur and art Room was not built in a day nor will it in