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A69753	The generall demands, of the reverend doctors of divinitie, and ministers of the Gospell in Aberdene, concerning the late covenant, in Scotland together, with the answeres, replyes, and duplyes that followed thereupon, in the year, 1638 : reprinted in one book, by order of Parliament.	Forbes, John, 1593-1648.; Henderson, Alexander, 1583?-1646.	1663 (1663)	Wing C4226; Wing C4225; ESTC R6298	125,063	170

thereto by prejudice then at satisfaction by searching of the Trueth This reason is grounded upon a mistaking for although our Demands at the first were intended for you onely yet afterwards we resolved to Print them as also our REPLYES the Printing whereof did nowayes depend upon your second Answeres not for love of contention nor desire of vict●ry GOD knoweth but for such reasons as we have expressed in our Preface to the unpartiall Reader whom we hope we have satisfied in this point Your other reason is that the grounds of your Answers to us have proven satisfactory to others who for Age and Learning are prime men of this Kingdom and to whome our modestie will not suffer us to preferre our selves Farre be it from us to be so presumptuous as to preferre our selves to so many Learned and worthy Divines and as farre be it from us to measure the soliditie and sufficiencie of your Answeres by the Habilities or Induments of these who have acquiesced in them If this your reason were good the Papists might more probablie accuse us of prejudice as indeed they unjustlie doe because their Answeres to our Arguments have proven satisfactorie to many thousands of those who for profunditie and subtilitie of wit are inferiour to none of the World but we regarde not this slender motive remembring these words of our Saviour I thanke Thee O Father Lord of Heaven and Earth because Thou hast hid these things from the Wise and Prudent and hast revealed them unto Babes even so O Father for so it seemed good in Thy sight Besides if ye compare the Divines Ancient and Moderne who are of our judgement with these who favour your opinion either in number or in the excellency of their gifts ye shall finde that in this the advantage is greatlie ours In the meane time ye shall know that we can bring far better reasons to free our selves of prejudice then these which ye have brought against us to wit the soliditie of our Arguments which have put you to such straits pardon us to say that which every one who have eyes may see that oft times ye doe not so much as attempt to answere them being glad to passe them by with the show of an Argument in contrarium or some other like shift our humble earnest attestations in calling GOD the onelie competent Iudge as witnesse of our sincerity in the inmost thoughts of our soul our seriously professed Resolution to concurre with you if we should get satisfaction from you the modestie ingenuitie and peaceablenesse of our writings to you and on the contrarie your too great disdainfulnesse and asperitie in your second Answeres bewraying not onelie the weaknesse of your mindes farre by our expectation but also the weaknesse of your cause to unpartiall Readers who ascrive this to the pungent force of our Arguments judging that they have made you somewhat more cholerike then you were before To this wee will adde the great reluctance which some of the most Iudicious Subscribents did finde in their Consciences before they subscrived your Covenant together with the Limitations and Reservations wherewith they subscrived it evidently arguing their strong apprehension of the dangerous ambiguitie and haske sounding of the words of the late Covenant so that even these who are now joined with you have been much affrighted with those things which terrifie us As for your Protestation in the end of your Epistle that ye can no more be brought to our minde then ye can be drawn from the profession of our Religion as it hath been reformed sworne c. Although this importeth no small prejudice possessing and over-ruling your minds yet looking to the invincible force of that Trueth which we mantaine we even yet hope that at last it shall prevaile with you espe●iallie considering that our con●roversie is not concerning the Reformed Religion whereunto we as sincerelie adheare as any whatsoever but concerning the equitie of that forme of Covenant which ye lateli● made Wishing you and all others to adheare truelie and sincerelie to the same true Religion and to all the dueties which in it are recommended to you we most humblie and earnestlie pray the Almightie GOD to pitie his Church in this Kingdom and to unite all our hearts in Trueth and Peace in these most dangerous dayes which although they be to you dayes of gladnesse as ye professe yet to those who love the peace of Sion and the tranquilitie of this Kingdome they are sad and melancholious dayes in respect of the blacke clowdes of GODS wrath hanging over our heads and threatning us with stormes of fearfull Calamities which we pray the Almightie GOD to avert THE FIRST DUPLY. IN our Disputes against the Papists which have been frequent and by GODS grace not unfruitfull as we have learned that to multiply objections against the Trueth is a thing easie as ye say but fruitlesse and vain so also we have learned that to multiply Evasions against solide Arguments brought for the Trueth is a thing no lesse easie but altogether unprofitable which we pray you take heed to How forcible are right words but what doth your arguing reprove JOB 6. 25. 2. Ye say that our objection against your calling and the warrand of your comming to us was framed and published in Print before it was proponed unto you and ere your Answere could be had Indeed our Demands were at the Presse at your comming that they might be in readinesse but were not published before your selves in your Sermons did publickly read them and dispute against them in audience of such of our People as were there present for the time albeit that written copie of them was delivered to you onely and not at that time communicated by us to any other 3. Your Authority which ye acclaim is neither from his Majestie nor warranded by Act of Parli●ment nor by the Lords of his Majesties Counsell nor by any Nationall Synode of this Kingdom nor by any Judicatory established in it And both in your first Answere as also now again ye professe that ye came not hither to us●rpe the Authority of any Civill or Spirituall Judicatorie As for your multitude which ye call almost the whole Kirke and Kingdom it being destitute of Authority foresaid maketh no warrand of ordinary calling Therfore ye seeme to pretend an extraordinary calling from GOD alleadging an extraordinary necessitie at this time which truely we see not in any such degree as may deserve and warrand so great a change from the received order which is publickly by Lawes established in this Kirke and Kingdom That saying of the Apostle Let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good workes which ye alleadge for your extraordinary imployment importeth not an extraordinary calling but an ordinary duety to be performed by all Christians according to their Callings 4. The Word of GOD and the Canons of Counsells doe so permit to Pastors the care of the whole Kirke as they must

ye throw against us with plain profession to work us discontentment thereby we shal here make an answere to them in meekness and evident demonstration of our peaceable disposition Questions Answered 7. YOur first Question concerning the Service-Book and book of Canons is nowise pertinently proponed to us If we did urge upon you the said books of Service and Canons as ye doe now the Covenant upon us we should particularly and punctualy declare our mind concerning them 8. To your second Question we answere that it is our duety to enquire carefully what is incumbent upon us by the Law of GOD and man towards our Prince We doe not move questions of state but doe answere to your propositions resulting upon matters of state and we doe labour as it well becommeth all good Subjects to be well informed before we put our hand to any thing which concerneth our due obedience to our Prince As for that which here again ye alleadge of his Majesties Commissioner and wise States-men as having received satisfaction from you we referre you as before to our Answere made thereto in our first Duply 9. To your third Question we answer our assertion concerning the unlawfulnesse of Subjects their resisting the Authority of free Monarchs by force of Arms even although they were enemies to the Trueth and persecuters of the professors thereof can not in the judgement of any reasonable man import that we have the least suspition of our KING that either he shall change his Religion or shall fall upon his religious and loyall Subjects with force of Armes We have often declared in these our Disputs that we are fully perswaded of our KINGS Majesties constancy in profession of the true Religion and equitable disposition in ministration of Justice And in testification hereof we rest satisfied with his Majesties Proclamation against which ye have protested 10. To your fourth Question we answere because that we doe esteem subscription to your Covenant neither to be warrantable by GODS word nor to be a convenient mean for pacification we hold it our duety both to with-hold our hands from it and to dehort our people from it 11. To your fift Question we answere 1. We hold it a wrong ●upposition which ye make that the Prelates and their followers are labouring to introduce Popery and to make a faction 2. We know our gracious KING to be so just and so wise and so ripe in yeares and experience that he will no● suffer any of his Subjects to abuse his Majesties name in the execution of any injustice 3. To make resistance by force of Arms against the KINGS publick standing Lawes and against his Majesties publick Proclamations is not in our judgement a convenient or lawfull way for defending of the Religion of the Liberties and Lawes of the Kingdom and of the KINGS Authority but on the contrary it bringeth scandall upon our profession See our Reasons in our second Duply 12. To your sixt Question we answer that in all free Monarchies there is nothing left to subjects in the case of persecution by their own Soveraigne Princes but patient suffering with Prayers and Tears to GOD or fleeing from their wrath as we have at length proved in our second Duply This doctrine did the people of Alexandria learne of their holy Bishop Athanasius as is evident by their own words in their Protestation subjoined to the Epistle of Athanasius ad vitam solitariam agentes If say they it be the commandement of the Emperour that we be persecuted we are all ready to suffer Martyrdom 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Tom. 1. Oper. Athanas. Pag. 868. Edit Paris 1627. As for the nature of the Government of this Kingdom of Scotland read the Book of King JAMES the sixt of blessed memory entituled The true Law of free Monarchies and the Preface of the first Book of Regiam Majestatem where it is expresly said of the KING of Scotland that He hath no Superiour but the Creator of Heaven and Earth Ruler of all things This our Answere neither proceedeth from flattery neither from any intention to stirre up Princes against their loyall Subjects nor from any aime at other worldly ends as ye doe uncharitably judge but from our due fidelity to our KING from our true love to our Countrey and from our upright desire to the Glory of GOD and the comfort of our own Souls in the Day of our Accounts The X. DUPLY. ALthough we take you to be of the number of those who penned the late Covenant yet pardon us to call your Glosses of it in question so long as ye doe not satisfie our Arguments which prove them to be contrary to the very words of your Covenant We have shown in our Replyes and now again in our fourth Duply that the words of the Covenant import a perpetual adherance to the who●e externall Policy of the Church as it was Anno 1581 and the removing of Pearth Articles and Episcopacy as of things contrary to the Liberty and Purity of the Gospell Whence we still inferre that these who have sworn the Covenant are tyed by their Oath to vote against Pearth Articles and Episcopacy and consequently can not without prejudice either dispute or give out a decisive sentence concerning them in the intended Assembly 2. Ye say ye will not judge so uncharitable of us as to think us so corrupt that in our opinion since the time designed by us nothing hath entered into the Church beside Episcopacy and the Articles of Pearth which can be prejudiciall to the liberty and purity of the Gospell We are glad that although ye judge uncharitably of us yet ye judge not so uncharitably and although ye think us corrupt yet ye think us not so corrupt as not to be sensible of these things We told you our minde before in our fourth Duply concerning these abuses which ye think to have been occasioned by Pearth Articles and now we tell you that if Pearth Articles and Episcopacy for these their alleadged consequents be altogether removed the benefite which ye think our Church may receive by removing of them shall not in any measure equall her great losses The XI DUPLY. VVEe complained in our Demand of the uncharitablenesse of your Followers who calumniate us as if we were favourers of Popery And to show how unjust this calumnie is we declared that we are ready to swear and subscrive our nationall Confession of Faith ratified and registrated in Parliament to which Declaration we have now added our Oath which we did swear when we received the degree of Doctorate in Theologie and have solemnly again renewed it Pag. 81. 82. In your Answer to that Demand ye slighted our complaint and did not so much as once mention it which made us in our Reply to complain also of you who have shown your selves so unwilling to give us that testimony of our sincerity in professing the Trueth which all who know us think to be due to us We expected that in