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A09109	A temperate vvard-vvord, to the turbulent and seditious VVach-word of Sir Francis Hastinges knight vvho indeuoreth to slaunder the vvhole Catholique cause, & all professors therof, both at home and abrode. Reduced into eight seueral encounters, vvith a particuler speeche directed to the Lordes of her Maiesties most honorable Councel. To vvhome the arbitriment of the vvhole is remitted. By N.D.	Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610.	1599 (1599)	STC 19415; ESTC S114162	126,552	136

before he auowch it outwardly For if he iudge only by the external shew and outward honor of his estate he may as wel condemn of pride all other princes and great men in the world for admitting honor according to their degrees and among others our present Bishops of England may be called in question as they are by the puritanes for being termed lords and for the lord-lyk honor donn vnto them in outward demeanure To the Lords also of her Maiesties counsel may be obiected the like for causing men to kneel vnto them at the counsel table and such other like external honor admitted As for bloody monster it is a monstrous slander and a great monstruositie of inciuilitie in a gentlemans mouth so to speake for it is wel knowen that the Bishop of Rome that now is and many of his predecessors in our dayes and eyes haue vsed and do vse dayly great curtesies to infinite protestantes that passe through their states And as for blood I think verely that there hath bin more shed in onely London for religion in one year within these last twenty that haue passed then in all the whole twentie within all the townes citties and states of the Bishop of Rome and this is easie to be verefied VVell then Sir knight you rayl at randon and litle do you seem to think or consider what peril of Godes iustice may hang ouer you for the same You may remember it is written principi populi tui non maledices and agayne qui patri suo maledixerit morte moriatur The Bishop of Rome hath euer byn held for our spiritual prince and parent in England vntill with in these few yeares and so is he still holden by all Catholique kingdomes round about vs and in ours also by such as follow the old vniuersal fayth which if it be true then are you in danger of damnation by this your fury And you remember that Saynt Paule was so respectiue of this danger that hauing spoken a hastie worde agaynst Ananias calling him whyted walle for an open iniurie donn vnto him in publique iudgement agaynst the law yet when he vnderstood he was high priest notwithstanding S Paule wel knew thar his priesthood now was nothing worth the old law being abrogated by the death of Christe he did openly recall his word agayne and shewed to be sorowfull for hauing spoken it agaynst one that bore that tytle But Sir Francis hath no such feeling or remorse of conscience in him for that he is not gouerned by the same spirit of humilitie and pietie that Saynt Paule was wherunto notwithstanding I would gladly persuade him if I might and for that respect do mean to alleage vnto him the considerations insuing about the Bishop of Rome First himself in the 31. page of this his libel hath these wordes The Lord from heauen commandeth to all men vpon earth that euery soule should be subiect to the higher powers for there is no power but of God and euerie power is ordayned of God VVhich wordes if they be true then must the Popes power also be of God seing it hath byn an acknowledged power by all Christendome for so many yeares and ages not only for a lawful power but also for a holy and supreme spiritual power and then let men iudge in what cause Sir Francis standeth that not only resisteth but reuileth also this sacred power notwithstanding that the illation which Saynt Paule inferreth immediatly after the former wordes is this wherfore he that resisteth power resisteth Gods ordination those that resist Gods ordinatiō do purchase damnation vnto themselues More ouer that saying of Christ vnto the Apostles he that heareth you heareth me was not spoken only for them selues but for all their successors also that by succession should gouern the churche vnto the worlds end as all men wil cōfesse And cōseqētly the other parte also of the same sentence he that contemneth you contemneth me must needes in like manner belong vnto the same man And that the Bishops of Rome be successors in the Apostle Saint Peeters seat is no lesse manifest to all men of vnderstanding and learning And albeit Sir Francis will say presently that they follow not Saint Peeters steps and wil proue it at leisure yet if that were true the princes authority is not taken away hy his euil life or deportement for then should we haue few true princes in the world But aboue all others it pleased Christe himself to take away this obiection touching Popes and Ecclesiasticall princes when he sayd that vpon the chaire of Moyses should sit both Scribes and Pharisees and that we should notwithstanding obserue and do whatsoeuer they sayd but not according to their woorkes So as stil there remaineth the obligation to obey them though their liues and hehaueour were not correspondent but much more the obligation not to slander contemn and reuile them as our harebrain and headlong knight doth I say it is harebrain and headlong dealing to runne so furiously in so dāgerous a path as this is For besides that maledicus a railing tongued man is placed by Saint Paule among them that shall neuer attaine the kingdome of heauē it is much more grieuous sinne to vse this vice agaynst Magistrates that represent the power of almightie God and far yet greater agaynst spiritual magistrates that haue this authoritie in a far higher degree then temporal magistrates but most of all agaynst him that representeth immediately the person of Christe Iesus vpon earth which is the Bishop of Rome as presently more particulerly shalbe shewed Furthermore if all the holy and learned men of Christēdom haue not bin deceiued for so many ages together as they haue confessed this general doctrine of the Pope of Rome his prerogatiue without doubt or contradiction then is Sir Francis out of his way then is he in the open path of perdition then is he furious frantik and besides himself in rayling as he doth And that this only vniform consent of such and so many holy learned men gon before vs were a sufficient argument to make any man that were discreet and fearing God to enter into doubt at least of his doing in this behalf cannot in reason be denied and so without doubt would Sir Francis also do if his temporal life lay on the bargain as his eternal doth For let me aske Sir Francis if an herb should be presented to him to eat that all learned phisitians for a thowsand yeares together haue held for strong poyson and onely som one or two of later yeares haue begonne to teache the contrarie without actual experience whether it be so or no but only by discourse and new argumentes of their owne would he abstayne to eat it think you or no Or if an action should be offered him in England which by all old lawyers iudgment of former tymes hath byn taken for high treason ipso facto and losse of

they are in their falshoods and dissimulations And again by this taste you shal see the brutish vilanyes of our bastard countrimen and vnderstand what iust cause there is to detest both the traitors and their treasons c. To all which I answere that a railing tongue vntied is a wilde beast without a bridle and to ruun after him with a cudgell though at certain turnings many blowes and bastinadoes may be giuen him as in parte there hath bin I suppose to this man by conuincing his falshoods raylings and calnmniations yet is it a wearisom exercise euen to the giuer himself and therefore I will let him runn vntil wearied by his own furye he become more calme and enter into som more temperate cogitations if not of truth and charity yet of christiā honor and honestie and with this I end our third incounter HASTINGES VVACH-VVORDE THE FOVRTH INCOVNTER ABOVT BISHOP GARDENER AND Cardinall Allen by name and of their vnvvort●ie and slanderous vsage by this vvachvvoord-geuer THough against all Catholique people that come in his way the tōgue of this knight be very lauish approbrious which neither proceedeth of chiualry nor yet of nobility yet two principal persons aboue others he seeketh chiefly to disgrace and wound in his discours which are D. Gardener Bishop of winchester and high Chauncellor of England in Queen Maries dayes and Doctor Allen late Cardenall of Rome Two such eminent subiects for Ecclesiasticall men as setting a side the onlie difference of religion which made thē vngrateful to the present state our land hath not had lightly ●heir equales in many ages before Both of them of high wits exqui●ite learning and singuler good natures both of rare vertues the one ● chief Counseller to two great princes of our realme the father and ●aughter and the other fit to be Counsellor to any prince liuing and was of councel to the highest consistorie in Christendom Bishop Gardener was caried through great varietie of prosperous and aduerse ●ortune and euer shewed himself superiour to them both except once ●nly in his youth prosperitie when he went a litle astray by feare ●ut sore repented it soon after Cardinal Allen that neuer was in properitie at home but trayned vp for the most parte of his dayes in ba●ishment and in the disgrace and frowning countenance of his coun●rie for religions sake bare the same with incredible constancy and ●lacritie and towards the end of his life was highly aduanced to ho●or for his vertue by forain potentates as the world knoweth B. Gardener was a maister and common tutor to English yong nobility ●n his dayes and his hows a famous schoole of great mennes children ●n England C. Allen was a publique father to all sortes of that age●nd to all degrees that left their country for religion and he procured ●hem both howses and schooles in forain nations The Bishop was ●beral and had much to giue of his owne while he was suffered to ●ossesse it the Cardinall though meaner in temporal wealth yet mu●ificent of mynd and so much respected and credited by others that were richer then himself that he gaue more perhaps in his dayes then the other was able of his own according to that of the Apostle qua● egentes multos autem locupletantes as poore and yet inriching many others And to be short a peerlesse payre of prelates they were whyl● they liued and full vnworthie to be thus bayted by the wyld tongu● of this slanderous backbyter but let vs hear in particular what he● sayth of them Of Bishop Gardener you haue heard before his encomion or commendation where he saied Gardener that most prowd and bloody monster left no corner of his witt vnsought to shorten her Maiesties dayes and preuent he● by the bloody slaughter of her sacred person from being our Queen And afterward agayn making his inuectiue against the Catholiques that fo● conscience refuse to go to Church he sayth thus The recusants of our age cannot professe nor make greater shew of loyalty and loue to our dread Souereign neither can serue her outwardly with greater apparence of faithfulnes nor can protest more deeply by woords and othes their true and good meaning to her then did Gardener Bonner and Tonstal to her noble father and brother which they did confirm by printed bookes For Gardener did writ● his booke de vera obedientia and Bonner added his epistle to it And Tonst● published a flat treatise against the Pope But when these two noble Princes wer● called to their last and euerlasting home and kingdom in heauen and Queen Marie possessed the gouernment of this kingdom vpon earth then Gardener did tear o● his glorious visour and shewed himself in his right colours and shape for he an● his complices neuer rested till they had brought in the Spainard and had matche● him in mariage with the Queen by which they betrayed God her and the whol● realm This bloody intention by this linck thus strengthened then cometh Gardener ou● publiquely in pulpit with this sentence hora est iam nos de somno surgere peruerting the sacred scripture most prophanely and blasphemously to his bl●ody purpose c. this far goeth the accusation And first here you see there is nothing but blood and bloodines when he talketh of Bishop Gardener wherof I could greatly marueyl if this poor man followed either ryme or reason in any discourse that he maketh for verely I beleeue that if a mā should aske any good natured Protestant that liued in Queen Maries tyme and hath both wit to iudge and indifferency to speake the truth without passion he wil confesse that no one great man in that gouernment was further of from blood and bloodines or from crueltie and reuenge then Bishop Gardener who was known to be a most ●ēder-harted and myld man in that behalf in so much that it was some tymes and by some great personages obiected to him for no smale fault to be euerfull o● ●●●●●●on in the office and charge that he then bare yea to him especially it ●as imputed that none of the greatest and most knowen Protestan●s in Queen Maries raigne and some of their names I haue men●●oned before were euer called to accompt or put to trooble for ●ligion which also was noted in diuers criminal great causes and ●amely that of the lady Smith burned for killing her husband the ●rd Sturton executed about Harguile and the Duke of Nor●umberland beheaded for publique rebellion All which three to ●aue others it is knowen that Bishop Gardener laboured earnestly ●r to saue their lyues and this only vpon compassion and he passed ● far in this behalf as he wauted not some rebuke for the same espe●ally about the last to wit the Duke for whome he sued importun● notwithstanding he had byn extremely misused and iniured by ●he sayd Duke in K. Edwards tyme or at least permitted by him to be ●iured by others as namely to be depriued of

agaynst them in that behalf And with this I will leaue also Sir Francis as simple a soule as I founde him but yet somewhat more shufled out of his cloutes and discouered for a conscienceles corrupter of his booke of conscience To Catholique recusantes whome he impugneth I can say no more but that they are happie men to haue such an aduersarie and that the course which they haue hitherto held is most honorable and pious before God and man I meane in shewing first their dutie towardes God by standing constantly and suffering for their conscience and secondly in offering all loyal obedience in temporal causes to their liege prince And lastly in edifying their neighbours by their good lyfe and behaueour VVhich is the exhortation of Saynt Peter in this verie place alleaged Hauing your conuersation good sayth he among these people in such sorte as they considering your good woorkes in that they go about to slander you as wicked men God may be glorified therby in the day of his visitation And agayne the will of God is that you by your good lyf do stop the mouthes of foolish and ignorant men that talke agaynst you c. And yet further this is a great grace if any man suffer sorow for his conscience towardes God being afflicted vniustly for if you suffer for sinne ●or euil lyf it is no glorie but if while you liue well you do suffer patiently it is a great grace with God ●for in this is your vocation and to this you are called for that Christ suffered so for vs and left you example to follow his steppes c. And as for obedience you are to yeeld it simply my deare brethren and playnly as I haue sayed with a true loyal harte and good will as vnto Christe himself vnto all kynde of magistrates whatsoeuer temporal or spiritual though yet with that distinction which Christe him self appoynted quae sunt Caesaris Caesari quae sunt Dei Deo geuing vnto Caesar those thinges that are Caesars and reseruing to God those thinges that are Gods VVhich distinction Saynt Paul to the Romans expoundeth more particularly when hauing commanded all superior powers to be obeyed euen for conscience sake as the ministers of God though they were Gentils he setteth downe this conclusion Geue therefore to all sortes of men those thinges that are due vnto them tribute to whome tribute tole to whome ●●le feare to whome feare honor to whome honor belongeth Vnto our temporal prince and head of our earthly cōmon-wealth whereof we are citizēs we owe all temporal obedience in ciuil matters according to the law of God nature and nations and according to the particular ordinances of the countrie wherin we dwel and so we are to serue him with our bodies goodes life and whatsoeuer other earthly meanes or comoditie we haue besides in all iust causes And this with all honor fidelitie redines alacritie and promptnes of minde as to the minister of God ordayned as both the forenamed Apostles say for punishing of the wicked and comforting the good And this obedience was due also vnto heathen magistrates in Christes time for in this temporal go●ernment Christ altered nothing at all but left it as he found it And for that some Christians after Christes ascention partly by the comon opinion of the Iewes who held that the Messias should make them free from all temporal subiection and partly vpon those woordes of Christe himself in Saint Iohns Ghospel si ergo vos filias liberauerit verè liberi eritis if the sonne of God once deliuer you you shal be truely free which was meant of spirituall freedom yet for that some Christians imagined that they were now free from obedience also of temporal magistrates the foresayd two chief Apostles Saint Peter and Saint Paule took vpon them most earnestly to remoue this error in the places alleaged and to persuade all due temporal obedience also in all ciuil afaires to the ciuil magistrate of what life or religion soeuer he were I say in temporal and ciuil afaires for as for matters of religion and the soule no man of sence or iudgment will imagin that the said Apostles would bynd christians to obey those ciuil magistrates that were not yet christians in the Apostles dayes nor euer ment to be but rather persecutors And heerof also insueth that their must needes be some other distinct superioritie and gouernment for matters of the soule whereof I shewed the commandement before out of Saint Paule and it is that which we commonly call Ecclesiasticall or Spiritual gouernment concerning afaires of religion and conscience And this gouernment ouer soules Christe himself came properly downe from heauen to found and erect vpon earth and to make himself head thereof being a gouernment far different from the other whereof he would take no parte at all and so he fled when the people would haue made him a king and to Pilate he denyed that his kingdom was of this world and being called vpon to deuide the inheritance between two brethren which was an act aperteining to the tēporall magistrate he answered who hath apointed me a Iudge or a deuider ouer you But yet when he talked of the o●her superioritie that aperteineth to teaching instructing and gouerning of soules be acknowleged his authoritie You call me maister and Lord sayth he in one place to his disciples and you say wel for I am so And again in an other place your only maister is Christe c. This superioritie therfore and tribunal ouer soules for instructing directing chastising bynding and loosing of sinnes and the lyke Christ did peculierly erect and setle at his being here making himself the head and leauing his Apostles and their successours for his substitutes to guyd the same vnder him vnto the worldes end Neither did Christe at his departure commit this authoritie or any parte therof vnto Caesar or vnto any other temporal prince but to his Apostles geuing them that supreme dignitie in ioynt commission with his owne person when he saied who heareth you heareth me and who contemneth you contemneth me Nor did Saynt Paule when he talked of matters of the soule subiect Christians vnto Caesar or vnto temporal princes as he did in temporal affaires but vnto their prelates as before hath byn alleaged and addeth this reason for that they wach for vs and are to yeild account of our soules to almightie God as a matter of their peculiar charge And to the end it should appeare how distinct and different these two gouernments and iurisdictions are Christ prouided that this spiritual gouernment of his Churche should stand in the world for three hundred yeares together without any temporal gouernment at all in the hand of Christian Princes to wit vntil the tyme of Constantyne the greate and then and after when any temporal kinges and princes were conuerted and made Christians as