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A63577	A true narrative of the Portsmouth disputation, between some ministers of the Presbyterian, and others of the Baptist, persuasion, concerning the subjects and manner of baptism held in Mr. Williams's meeting-place there on Wednesday, Feb. 22. 1698/9. The managers for the Presbyterians were, Mr. Samuel Chandler of Fareham. Mr. Leigh of Newport in the Isle of Wight. Mr. Robinson of Hungerford in Berks, moderator. For the Baptists were, Dr. William Russel of London. Mr. John Williams of East Knoyle in Wiltshire. Mr. John Sharp of Froome in Somersetshire, moderator. Transcribed from two copies taken at the dispute; the one by Mr. Bissel Town-Clerk of Portsmouth, and the other by Mr. Samuel Ring. Revis'd and publish'd by Dr. William Russel.	Bissel, Mr.; Ring, Samuel.; Russel, William, d. 1702.	1699 (1699)	Wing T2806A; ESTC R215290	67,061	90

Epistles Mr. Robinson You are to prove that because Paul did not shun to declare to the Church of Ephesus the whole Counsel of God therefore Baptizing of Infants must be found there or else it is no part of the Counsel of God Mr. Leigh However we will suppose the thing but not grant it that Paul has not spoken of Infant Baptism Mr. Williams If you suppose it we will take it for granted if we may not say so Thus ended their Opposition to this Argument Dr. Russel I will now proceed to another Argument Arg. 4. Christ's Commission doth shew who are to be Baptized But it doth not shew that Infants are to be Baptized Ergo Infants are not the Subjects of Baptism according to Christ's Commission Mr. Leigh I deny the Minor Dr. Russel By so doing you suppose it doth shew it I therefore thus Argue If the Commission doth shew that Infants are to be Baptized Mr. Leigh or some other Person can shew it us in the Commission But neither Mr. Leigh nor any other Person is able to shew it us in the Commission Ergo The Commission doth not shew that Infants are to be Baptized Mr. Leigh It is included in the word All Nations Dr. Russel I beg your favour Mr. Chandler asserted in his Sermon That it was the Infants of Believing Parents that were to be Baptized And that it was necessary Men should Repent and Believe otherwise they had no Right to this Ordinance And if we were sent saith he into an Heathen Nation we ought to ingage Men to Repent and Believe before we Administer this Ordinance to them Here are Qualifications required in the Persons to be Baptized by your own Confession without which you must not Administer it And it is contrary both to your own Principles and Practice to Baptize Jews Turks and Heathens and all their Infants without previous Qualifications to fit them for it Mr. Leigh I say it is included in the Word All Nations Do you prove it is not Dr. Russel You have brought an Instance and it is your business to make good your own Instance otherwise my Argument stands firm and untouch'd But if I shew there are some Qualifications required in the Commission and prove that those cannot be found in Infants then Infants cannot be included in the Word All Nations I tell you he hath commanded us to Baptize some Persons but he hath not commanded us to Baptize any Infants which I thus prove If those that Christ in his Commission hath commanded to be Baptized must first be made Disciples according to that Commission then Infants are not to be Baptized by Virtue of that Commission But those that Christ in his Commission hath commanded to be Baptized must first be made Disciples according to that Commission Ergo Infants are not to be Baptized by Virtue of that Commission Mr. Leigh I deny your Consequence Repeat it again Dr. Russel Then I will make it Categorical All those required to be Baptized by Christ's Commission are Disciples Infants are not capable to be Disciples as I have already proved Ergo Not required to be Baptized by Christ's Commission Mr. Leigh I deny your whole Argument That all that Christ requires to be Baptized are Disciples and that Infants are not capable Dr. Russel If no other but Disciples are express'd in the Commission then the Major is true And if Infants are uncapable to be made Disciples then the Minor is true also Mr. Leigh We say they are implied you allowed good Consequences but now Dr. Russel But here are Disciples mentioned in the Commission and none but such that are made so by the Ministry of Men. Mr. Leigh You talk of the Commission It is the good Consequences I insist upon and say Persons are not to be Compleat Disciples before they are Baptized nor actually Taught before they are Disciples Dr. Russel Perhaps you mean a man is not a Compleat Christian if he hath not attained to the highest Perfection he is capable of whilst in this Life although he hath been a real Christian for many Years I speak not of such a Completion but of such that are actual Disciples of Christ made so by the Ministry of Men. Mr. Leigh I say there is no necessity of being Disciples in your Sense before they are Baptized Dr. Russel Then I will prove there is a necessity If our Lord in his Commission did not require his Apostles to Baptize any but only such as they had before made his Disciples by Teaching then there is a necessity they should be Actual Disciples before they are Baptized But our Lord in his Commission did not require his Apostles to Baptize any but only such as they had before made his Disciples by Teaching Ergo There is a necessity they should be Actual Disciples before they are Baptized Mr. Leigh I deny the Minor Dr. Russel Then I will read the Commission Mr. Leigh You need not do that we all know the Commission very well Dr. Russel I will read my Master's Commission Matth 28. 19. Go ye therefore and Disciple all Nations Baptizing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost This Commission is very solemnly delivered wherein our Lord declares that all Power in Heaven and Earth was given to him And by Virtue of that Power Here Mr. Robinson stops the Doctor and cries out You are not to Preach here Sir Dr. Russel May I not have leave to draw my Inference from the Text Mr. Leigh Form your Argument The Text doth not discover it Dr. Russel Is not our Lord's Commission of as good Authority as my Argument When I have spoken to that I will then form an Argument from it if you will be silent and suffer me so to do I say that in this great Commission our Lord declares his great Power Mr. Leigh Form your Argument Dr. Russel I hope the use of all our Syllogisms is to bring us to the Commission And now we are come to it let us see whether these things are to be found therein or not Will you pretend that Infants are in the Commission and must not the People be suffered to see whether there be any thing mention'd about them or not Mr. Robinson Is this your Argument Bring your Argument And then he bawls very loud saying Mr. Williams will you suffer him to Preach Mr. Williams answers No I will not suffer him to Preach here Dr. Russel What do you talk of Preaching Are ye afraid of the Commission I hope it is not so bad with you as it was with some in Times past whom one of the Fathers i. e. Tertallian calls by the Name of Lucifugae Scripturarum c. Flyers from the Light of the Scripture as Bats do from the light of the Sun What is the reason Gentlemen you will not endure to hear the Commission opened Will you fly from the Light of the Commission of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ Is it not