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Master Bakewells sea of absurdities concerning sprinkling calmely driven back / by Peter Chamberlen, 12 April, 1650.
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Chamberlen, Peter, 1601-1683.
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To beare great Ships To vvater the Earth to vvash and bath no nor to sprinkle neither Or vvhat vvould you have to follow That as one drop of vvater is vvater as vvell as the vvhole Ocean so is one part of the body a Body as vvell as the vvhole Body This concludes nothing to your purpose Or that as one drop of vvater is vvaetr as vvell as the vvhole Ocean so if one part of the body be sprinkled all the body is sprinkled The similitude vvil not hold nor follow but trie the practise of it vvhen your face is foule vvash your feet and see vvhether your face vvill be any vvhit the cleaner 2. You say there is no measure of water prescribed onely it must be vvater No more there is for your Bread yet one drop vvill not suffize to make Dowe nor vvill one drop serve to vvash your hands or feet vvhen you go to knead it and it vvere ridiculous for the Apostle to mention that John vvas baptizing in Aenon BECAUSE THERE WAS MUCH WATER THERE if one drop vvould have served the turne but so there be enough it is no matter vvhether it be in Jordan or Aenon or the Wildernesse Act 8. or the River vvithout the City of Philippi Act. 16.13 3. You say to as little purpose that the baptized may be under one drop as vvell as under a Tunne so he may be under a Tunne as vvell as one drop and vve are daily under more in the Cloudes but vvhat vvould you inferre thereon That a man may be buried and plunged or drowned vvith one drop or by being under one drop as vvell as by being under a Tunne He may indeed be as drie under a Tunne as under one drop so the Vessell leake not in the sense you mentioned last of the Childs being under the Ministers handfull of vvater but not so soone buried or plunged vvith one drop as vvith a Tunne of vvater and if the Sextone afforded but one graine of earth upon each body that vvere to be buried I believe each Nostril vvould soon complain there vvere not sufficient But 4. you as desperately attempt to clear this by the Conference of Jesus Christ with Peter about the washing of his Feet Jo. 13.8 Read on to the 10. verse He that is Washed saith he or he that is already Baptized needeth not save to cleanse or wash his feete c This shewes say you from the 8. verse instancing in me for with me as almost in all the Scriptures you quote you mistake somewhat this shewes that washing was sacramentall If you mean it is a Sacrament why do you not so practise it If it be the Sacrament of Baptisme why do not your Ministers wash the feet of Infants as Christ did his Disciples rather then sprinkle the face onely which Christ never did When you have spoken your last you come with 3. OBIECTIONS for plunging from Act 8.38 Mat. 3.6 Rom. 6.4 To the first you answer that every Pit or River in those hot Countries were not alwayes brim-full of water Be it so Therefore every Pit which you make a Synonyma to a River was not chosen but the chief River Jordan and Aenon because there was much water You say they might go into the Pit and not go into the water The Lord deliver us from the Pit where there is no water Jer. 39.6 Zach. 9.11 but the Text answers your Cavel if you would at all heed what the word saith that in the Baptisme of Jesus and the Eunuch where the manner of Baptizing is particularly mentioned they went both down into the water and they came up out of the water not into the Pit and out of the Pit Mark 1.9.10 Act 8.39 To the 2. you affirme that the Greek word which I suppose you can neither write nor read which is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the Infinitive doth signifie as well to SPRINKLE as to PLUNGE whereas all the Schollers in Europe cannot finde it so used in any Greek Author nor others but of late some Latine Authors from the practise have rashly printed what you here affirme Which if it should be granted and your Testament so interpreted heare a little your own Absurdities Mat. 3.1 In those dayes came John the SPRINKLER preaching in the Wildernes of Jordan Then went out to him Jerusalem and all Judea and all the Region round about Jordan and were SPRINKLED of him in Jordan the River Mark 1.5 John 3.22 After these things came Jesus and his Disciples into the Land of Judea and there he tarried with them and SPRINKLED verse 23. And John also was SPRINKLING in Aenon BECAUSE there was MUCH WATER there and they came and were SPRINKLED Mark 1.19 And it came to passe in those dayes that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee and was SPRINKLED of John 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 into Jordan verse 10. And straightway coming up ut of the water c. Act 8.30 And they went down both into the water both Philip and the Eunuch and he SPRINKLED him verse 39. And when they came out of the Water the Spirit caught away Philip. So Gal. 3.27 As many as have been SPRINKLED into Christ have put on Christ and Col. 2.12 BURIED with him in SPRINKLING wherein also ye are risen with him But I confesse this sort of bettering the Transiation I shall not like in my Bible Yet not content with all these Absurdities you say you might adde more of plunging in water and danger of lives and you condemn men of murther for having plunged in winter yet name none that were murthered nor executed for that murther nor is there any proof save you own Authentick Imagination To avoid the hardship of Winter the Common-prayer-Book will tell you in the preamble that Easter and Whitsuntide were therefore appointed by the Ancients for fit times of Baptisme And the Winter-Baptizing of Children in Wales will sufficiently testifie that you foist in your own untruths by the strength of your own distracted Imagination In answer to the 3 Objection from Rom. 6.4 you would take a great advantage because there is no mention of water and will make it a drie Baptisme When you bid your man wash your Cup or Glasse unles you bid him do it with water doth it signifie nothing But let him that is diligent read the Texts Rom. 6.4 Col. 2.12 1 Cor. 1.8 and satisfie themselves To as little purpose do you bring in all the other places of Scripture and therefore I shall trouble my self no futrher in the particulars of them Nor do I intend further to be at Charges of printing a satisfaction to every one that Scribles after having spent and lost so much for the publick and repayed with so much injustice and ingratitude Nor will I meddle at present with the lawfullnesle or unlawfulnesse of your Ministry which you bring in by head and shoulders Therefore you may well perceive by my patience in answering your weak Arguments and by my waving all your words of provocation and censure as of Pride like Tyrus Questions of strife Janglings that I know nothing P. 2. Popish Pilgrimage P. 4. to abide in the Asse or with the Asse P. 8. and his invention who was a murtherer P. 7. Anabaptists P. 6. mad and drunk P. 3. Dippers plunged in a Sea of Absurdities in the Title Renouncing of Baptisme denying of God Devills Heaven Hell Grace Glory and the like that I am not al ogether so proud as you censured me but that I desire in meekness and lowlinesse of Spirit to win you and all of your opinion not to mine but to the truths of God which the Lord grant through Jesus Christ Amen FINIS The late coming forth of this Impression is to be amongst the Errata of the Printer He that desires to be satisfied of the point may read the Scriptures and the Disputes between Mr. Denne and Mr. Tombes Dr. Featly and Mr. Marshall And Mr. Blackwells storming of Antichrist And Mr. Laurence his Treatise of Baptise Or the Book entituled the Vanity of Childrens Baptismes c. But they that are like Gallie Act 14.15.16.17.18 may let all alone
Baptismes will inferre You may likewise read it again in Act 22.16 Paul was not to sit still to be sprinkled but now up why tarriest thou arise and be Baptized and wash away thy sinnes c. So Act 10. Peter after having reasoned the business about Cornelius and those with him who can forbid water c he commands them to be Baptized but it is not said where nor by whom And if you allow any water to be used as is expressed you must either suppose it carried up and down with the Apostles in Aqua-vitae-Bottles or Rose-water-Bottles to dash them in the face as soone as they had been but taken confessing of Christ or that wheresoever they came they either found or called for a Bason of water in the first place which we do not read they did or else the same time that would serve to fetch water and bring it back might serve them to go to the water And in the 16. of the Acts I perceive you do not so much as read the 30. verse else you would never have put in print that the Jaylor and all his were baptized in the Prison quite contrary to the Text which saith that the Jaylor came trembling and fell down before Paul and Silas and brought them out at least out of the inner Prison before it is said that he asked what must I do to be saved and in the 33. verse he took them the same houre of the night and washed their stripes and was Baptized he and all his straightway before it is said that he brought them into his house c. Nor is it probable that they were Baptized with water and the blood of the Stripes of Paul Silas Absurdities muct not be put upon the Scriptures but the main being expressed the rest ought to be understood especially being fully expressed in other places All the following Questions therefore denote your extream ignorance both in the Scriptures in that Ordinance And your great partiality appears in that you asked not the same absurd questions about the washing of Paul Silas the Baptism of the Jaylor his houshold As what Vessel Who should fetch it How often emptyed Did Paul stand in a Vessell How many times went he in or vvent he in at all Wherefore all these Absurdities cannot but stick fast in your weak Imagination till they be all dissolved in a RIVER or SUFFICIENT QUANTITY OF WATFR 4. In the 4. place you say the SACRAMENT must be administred WHERE THE WORD IS PREACHED because that Mat. 28.19 You say it is Preach and Baptize Here you also play the false Prophet in your false Interpretation and Repetition For the word is not 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Preach but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Discipline or make Disciples nor is it 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and baptize but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 baptizing much lesse doth the Text either say or inferre that they must baptize in the same place where they preach John Baptist and Christ and his Disciples went up and down preaching the Gospel in the WILDERNES Mat. 3.1 and about all Galilee Mat. 4.24 and up in a MOUNTAIN Mat. 5.1 10.7 27. 11.1 and in a CHARIOT Act 8.4.31 35. c. But they BAPTIZED in JORDAN Mark 1.5 John 3.22 in AENON Jo. 3.23 c. 5. Upon the same score of ignorance you have the like troubled fancy as in the 3. Article about a Rivers banck or half way in the River or 2 Persons at least to administer the Ordinance from all which absurdities you sprinkle your self with Holy water and rest in a contented ignorance 6. Against supposed NAKEDNES you alleadge MODESTY and against ClOTHING you would not have them sit DUNG-WET at meat and against a Partiall Cloathing you alleadge Aarons Briches with many other weak things even answered in the very readding For by this you allow not Jesus nor the Eunuch nor all the rest to be nor Naked nor Cloathed nor half Naked and half Cloathed And were your modest suppositions true what think you of CIRCUMCISION Perhaps when you duly weigh these things and deny your self-conceits and strange Imaginations to submit them to the Truths of Scripture your zeal may be converted into knowledge which truly is my Prayer for you For I verily believe you write not in malice to me though in hard censure 7. Seventhly Mr. Bakewell you affirm another untruth of the Scriptures for want of knowledge of the Tongues owning the error of the Translator Mark 3.11 where John is made to say I baptize with Water and not in water and say you the Scripture alwayes saith with water Now if you your self were such a Grecian as to be Author sufficient for the Greek word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as you undertake in the last line of the 6. page you might also be credited here having the translation on your side which there you have not but because I believe you are not but speak by roat as you are taught I pray aske your Teachers who know the Tongues and they will tell you that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifieth in water and not with water And Ephes 5.26 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 with the washing of water in the word And Heb. 10.22 hath neither in nor with onely the Dative Case which our language will not render with any propriety And truly it were well if those errors which are caused for want of a more exact Translation were taken away by a new Translation And till you are able to be an Interpreter it is good to be sober in making your own Conclusion upon matter of Interpretation but yield the place to those that are better able and better gifted till when I must leave you in the midst of all your absurdities which you have framed and affirmed and not I nor any one as I know but your selfe 8. Eighthly you began with a hard word Anabaptist and you should do wel to know what that word meanes and how to use it and to whom it belongs before you undertake to condemn any under that notion And when you understand the true signification of Baptisme you will not exact Brick and allow no straw you will not bid one cut meat without a knife you will not expect that men should be baptized and not suffer them to come into the water And for your Hocus Pocus of saying that Infants are under water for being lower then that handfull of water held by your Ministers in sprinkling it is too ridiculous as divers other passages to be either answered at all or at all seriously answered nor would your Ministers have pleaded that for an Argument 9. Lastly you promise to shew that Sprinkling one part of the Body is sufficient but you pull in your Arguments with Ropes of Sand. 1. One DROP of water is as truly water as the whole Ocean what followes Therefere one DROP of water is as SUFFICIENT as the whole OCEAN For what To feede Whales