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A34077 The plausible arguments of a Romish priest answered by an English Protestant seasonable and useful for all Protestant families. Comber, Thomas, 1645-1699. 1686 (1686) Wing C5481; ESTC R16555 28,548 65

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to be sufficient to add so many other Mediators to him Yea it seems you believe they have more power with God or love for us than Christ hath otherwise you would not think it necessary to joyn their Prayers to his nor make more addresses to these Servants than to the Son We know as Christ is God he is most able and as Man most willing to help us Hebr. ii 18. and are assured he is able to serve to the uttermost all that come unto God by him Hebr. vii 25. And when the Father hath provided so All-sufficient a Mediator to fly to others and desire them to add their interest to his is both ingratitude to the Father and a disparagement to the Son when you have laid all the fine colours on it you can Po. I will convince you by a practice of your own that herein you censure us unjustly Do not you desire the Saints on Earth to pray for you though Christ be your Mediator and is this any injury to Christ why then may we not as well desire those in Heaven to do it Prot. We have many Precepts and Examples in Scripture to desire holy Men on Earth to pray with us and for us which shews that is according to Gods Will 1 Joh. v. 14. but you have not one word to direct you to desire this of the Saints in Heaven Besides we do not kneel to good Men and put their Names into the same Litanies and Prayers with God Almighty nor desire to be heard by their Merits They pray with us and for us as our Fellow-sufferers who see and hear our wants in particular and pray only in Christs Name and through his Merits and so are joynt Petitioners with us not joynt Mediators with Christ And withal every particular Man goes to them and tells them his case and then he is sure they know his wants but Scripture is very clear that those who are dead even the best Men know not the particular wants of their dearest Friends 2 Kings xxii 20. Job xiv 2. Eccles ix 5. Isai lxiii 16. Nor is it possible for any Creature to hear the Petitions of many thousands at one time in divers places and if they cannot hear you what are you better for praying to them Po. This is easily answered for since God knows all things and they are with him always cannot he without any difficulty make our Prayers known to them Prot. We question not Gods power but why should he do this since you pray to them without his direction and by doing so accuse the way which he prescribed of being insufficient nor have you any Promise that God will acquaint them with your Prayers Besides you cannot but think it absurd if not ridiculous to pray to the Saints to pray to God for you and yet till God tell them first they cannot tell him what it is they are to desire of him this is to employ God to inform the Saints of our wants and looks like writing to a Courtier which cannot read to desire him to beg a Favour of the King for us because we were unworthy to write immediately to the King and yet knew before hand this Courtier must go to the King himself to read the Letter Po. We value not your idle Comparisons Our Church tells us the Saints do hear us and it is no matter whether or no we know how they do hear us Prot. The Scripture tells you they do not hear you and Reason tells you they cannot and will you believe your Church against both Your Church never durst define the way how they come to hear you because many Absurdities follow upon all methods that ever yet were devised And a wary man would scarce credit a thing of this consequence that cannot be proved or made out much less would he go to Mediators of whose hearing him he can have no other assurance than the bare word of those Men who gain by the Doctrin when he hath an All-sufficient Mediator who he is sure can always hear and help him and to whom he may pray without any doubts to damp his Devotion Po. Did not the Virgin Mary prophecy that all Generations should call her blessed Luke i. 48. and have we not reason to believe that the Mother of God hath great power in Heaven Prot. We call her Blessed and bless God for her but she never said All Generations should pray to her or impertinently repeat that Salutation which was proper to the occasion of her Conception of Christ as if it were a formal Prayer to her now Nor is there one word in Scripture to direct us to pray to her at all much less to say more Ave's to her than Pater nosters to God and to make larger Offerings to her than to Jesus who declares he hath all Power in Heaven and Earth so that all your worship of her is an Invention of your own and meer Superstition Po. We find it makes the People more devout to propose so many glorified Saints to them to be adored than if we confined them to adore only one invisible God Prot. You may observe if you would own the Truth that this impious Device makes the Worship of God to be neglected inclining your People to rely more on the Saints help than on Gods and to give them the honour due to him for those Blessings which he alone bestows on them and since God hath confined us only to worship and serve him Math. iv 10. it is Superstition and Idolatry not Devotion for to make any other Beings the Objects of your Worship Po. Well but since God hath wrought so many Miracles by the Relicks of the Saints doubtless he is well pleased with our adoring them and their Relicks Prot. There have been many false Relicks proposed for true ones and many forged Miracles invented by cunning Priests for gain as hath been undeniably proved and if there be any true Relicks of real Saints and any certain Miracles it is not the Saint or his Relicks but God by whose power the Miracle was wrought as S. Peter tells us Acts iii. 12. who is to have the glory And though we find in Scripture that Miracles were wrought by Moses Rod Elijahs Mantle the Hem of Christs Garment S. Peters Shadow and S. Pauls Handkerchief we never read that any of the Faithful adored these things Po. Perhaps you have been told we wholly neglect making Prayers to God by Christ Iesus whereas we have many Prayers in our Publick Offices like yours directed to God in Christs Name and I hope you have no Objection against these Prot. You ought to have no other Prayers but such and yet though these Prayers be right as to their Matter there is one intollerable Fault in them all that they are made in Latin which the People do not understand Po. Is not the Church to direct in what manner Publick Prayers shall be made and are we not to obey her Orders Prot.