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A67325 A necessary treatise for this age, or, A plain discovery of that great error of denying baptisme with water to the children of believers in justification of the arguments of John Turner, for infants basptisme, against Robert Admond : together with several other useful particulars on this subject, the contents whereof follow in the next page / briefly and plainly handled and discust by Thomas Wall. Wall, Thomas. 1669 (1669) Wing W486; ESTC R38029 30,254 53

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A Necessary TREATISE for this Age OR A Plain discovery of that great Error of denying Baptisme with Water to the Children of Believers In justification of the Arguments of John Turner for Infants Baptisme against Robert Admond Together with several other useful particulars on this Subject the Contents whereof follow in the next Page Briefly and plainly handled and discust by THOMAS WALL Luke 18. 16. Suffer little Children to come unto me and forbid them not for of such is the Kingdom of God Acts 2. 39. For the Promise is to you and your children c. Acts 16. 15. And when she was Baptised and her houshold c. London Printed for Tho. Wall and Barn Frencham and are to besold by Nath. Crouc● at the Cross-Keyes in Bishopsgate-street near Leaden-Hall 1669. The Contents 1. A Plain discovery of that great Error of denying Infants Baptism with water to the Children of Believers 2. John Turners Argument for Infants Baptism justified 3. A desoription of the state of Infants as they come from Adams loyns 4. What Christs spiritual blessing was on the Infants brought to him the want they had of it and benefit received by it and by it they had right to Baptisme of water 5. That a mans children are his houshold 6. That Believers children were Baptised by the hands of the Apostles 7. The word Baptisme opened by context of Scripture 8. Who are the true Administrators of Baptisme 9. Where it ought to be done 10. On what part of the body it ought to be administred 11. That the Anabaptists according to their own judgment are not yet Baptised 12. That the Baptism received in Apostate Churches ought not to be reiterated The Preface to the Reader concerning the occasion of this Treatise I. T. that worthy Souldier of Jesus Christ about 12 years ago delivered his Judgment in a Sermon from 1 Cor. 10. 1 2. verses Proving from thence the lawfulness of Infants Baptism One that heard him took the sum of the matter delivered in writing and gave it to R. A. who made some Answer to J. T 's Doctrine and sent it to him In answer to which writing of R A. J. T. framed this Argument in the beginning of this Treatise and to the Argument R. A. made some farther Answer R. A. shewing me the writings of both sides I having well considered the matter and discerned much wait in J. T 's Argument and R. A's grant to the same And J. T. being aged and weakned much in body by reason of his long nigh 14 years imprisonment for the Cause of Christ and after that a long time of sickness was not forward to trouble himself with Controversies in his latter dayes but to imploy himself in more comfortable Meditations I thought my self bound in duty having received a Talent of the Lord and ought not to hide it in the earth Matth. 25. ●8 27. the Harvest being so great and they that are faithful Labourers so few and the truth of God so much in these our dayes decayed I could not forbear but set the trump of Gods Word to my mouth to vindicate this blessed Truth of the Lord of the Right that the Infants of Believers have to Baptism of water Isa 59. 19. though the Enemy shall come in like a Flood for the same but the Lord is the strength of my Life of whom shall I be afraid Psal 27. 1. Considering if it were possible to reclaim my friend R. A. from his error I sent to him the tenor of this ensuing Treatise which remained with him about a year and half expecting his approving or disproving of the same A friend of mine understanding what I had wrote ●esired to see it much desiring me to put it to publick view for some Reasons First Because the truth of Infants Baptism so plainly manifested is so needful to come abroad Secondly Because so many poysoned Books in denying Infants Baptism are spread abroad Thirdly The many thousands of people that are led away in the error of the same the Captain of this and other Errors was one Of this Mr. Smith is more spoken in this treatis worth noting Smith who Baptised himself being once a seeming Member of a true Church in Amsterdam where Mr. Henry Ainsworth at that time was Teacher but for Error Mr. Smith was cast out which was as the Star called Wormwood which fell upon the third part of the Rivers and upon the Fountains of waters and many men dyed of the Waters because they were made bitter Rev. 8. 10 11. but the waters of Gods truths being pure water of Life clear as Crystal Rev. 22. 1. which make glad the City of God Psal 46. 4. but false Shepheards and evil Teachers do foul and muddy the waters of Gods Truth with their feet Ezek. 34. 18 19. So that bitterness springeth up to trouble the faithful Heb. 12. 15. With their Tongues they have used deceit Rom. 3. 13. And lye in wait to deceive Ephes 4. 14. What need then hath every Soul to search the Scriptures daily Acts 17. 11. Believing no mans Opinion of Scripture unless it be so understood that the Old and New Testament may agree in one harmony together and then he or she shall go on in safety which is the desire of him who is thine in all Christian duty Tho. Wall John Turners Argument for Infants Baptism Verbatim sent to Robert Admands THey that Christ blessed with a spiritual blessing had right to Baptism of Water Little Children held in Arms had right to Baptism of Water because Christ blessed them with a Spiritual blessing R. A's Answer to J. T 's Argument And grant is That the Infants blest by Christ were blessed with a spiritual blessing with this denyal That those Infants which Christ blessed with a Spiritual Blessing had no right to Baptism of Water Tho. Wall ' s Reply to R. A' s Answer of J. T' s. Argument Forasmuch as you grant that those Children held in Arms and brought to Christ were blessed with a Spiritual blessing it is then needful to examine by the golden Reed of Gods written Word what this spiritual blessing was the necessity the Children had of it the benefit they received by it and that by partaking of it they had right to Baptism of Water so I shall begin in order with the first particular That is What this Spiritual blessing was Christ bestowed on those Infants brought to him The Evangelist Luke is a true expounder what Christ Spiritual was as it is written Ye are the children of the Prophets and of the Covenant which God made with our Fathers saying unto Abraham in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the Earth be blessed unto you first God having raised up his Son Jesus sent him to bless you in turning away every one of you from his iniquities Acts 3. 25 26. Again Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven and whose sins are covered Rom. 4. 7. And again Blessed be the God and
Commandment being love out of a pure heart and of a good conscience and of faith unfained 1 Tim. 5. so ought the outward baptism of water to be administred on that place even the forehead where Christs name or covenant is recorded Rev. 22. 4. Moreover when the Lord sent the Messenger to destroy the wicked in Jerusalem those that were to be preserved or saved were marked on the forehead Ezek. 9. So likewise in Rev. 7. 3. and as Baptism is a figure of our safety 1 Pet. 3. 21. and the forehead or face representeth the whole man why not a part taken for the whole in this Ordinance as well as in the Spiritual Baptism and the mark of old and now of the people of God Ezek. 9. Rev. 7. in the forehead a part was taken for the whole as may be seen in the use of water where Christ washed the Disciples feet as if the whole body had been washed John 13. signifying a cleansing of the whole so Baptism on the face or forehead signifyeth the whole body washed in the Blood of Christ as a cleansing from all sins for of old in the figures of cleansing or sanctifying it was chiefly by sprinkling a part taken for the whole Again If you will not grant a part to be taken for the whole we cannot justify the Scriptures of truth for it was said as Jonas was three dayes and three nights in the Whales belly Ion. 1. 17. So shall the Son of Man be three dayes and three nights in the heart of the earth Matth. 13. 40. But we know he lay but a part for the whole therefore beware of following your own spirit and have seen nothing as the foolish Prophets did in Israel Prophecying out of their own hearts Ezek. 13. and your having neither the warrant of the Learned to limit the word to one sense of Dipping neither the Scripture for your opinion but take warning by the Counsel of the Holy Ghost Cursed is he that addeth or diminisheth which must needs be in denying the sense and meaning of the Word And next I shall by the help of God shew you that you are not faithful to practise what you seem to contend for in the administration of the Baptism of water and that in your own Judgment are not yet Baptised unless you grant a part to serve for the whole When Philip and the Eunuch went down into the water I suppose you will not deny but so far as they both went into the water was no part of Baptism and when they were both gone so far into the water as was convenient to make use of the water then Philip Baptised the Eunuch Now whether Philip and the Eunuch went but to the ankles or midleg or knees or wast before he Baptised the Eunuch is not mentioned in the Text the Scripture is silent but according to your Judgment that the whole body must be dipt or else none are Baptised then sure you must prove that the Eunuch was born up in the arms of Philip quite out of the water and so dipt all the body under water or else so far as the Eunuch went he Baptised himself or else Philip put the rest of the body of the Eunuch that was out of the water in the water and so Philip Baptised but a part for the whole and as I am informed by some that have seen the manner of your Administration o● Baptism that the party that is to be Baptised goeth into he water with the Administrator to the Loyns and the Administrator putteth the other part of his body which is out of the water into the water and so you Baptise but a part for the whole yet you plead for dipping the whole body and yet practice the contrary supposing there is a m●●h in anothers eye and the beam is in your own and keep ado with that Scripture Rom. 6. Buried with Christ in Baptism and that of 1 Cor. 15. 29. Baptised for dead or for the dead answerable to a mans burial that is dead and put in the ground But if you will practise what you contend for as I said before the Administrator must bear up the man that is to be Baptised quite out of the water and so put him into the water as a dead man into the Grave but did you ever know a man that was dead bury himself to the knees or waste and some other bury the rest of the mans body to see this would be a Miracle But a man cannot by any Rule from Gods word Baptise himself neither a part nor whole but so far as you go into the water you do Baptise your selves and another Baptiseth the rest thus you must acknowledg a part is by you practised for the whole or else in your own Judgment you are yet unbaptised and yet condemn others that believe and practise a part for the whole on that part of the body that representeth a part for the whole even the Forehead or Face And now I will shew you by the testimony of four several writers who was the beginner of your manner of Baptism by Dipping of himself though before this time there might be some that held your Judgment but knew not of any true administrator by succession but one being more desperately wicked than others would begin to Baptise himself and others being deceived by him follow after but beware and follow not a multitude to do evil Exod. 23. 2. In the dayes of King James or thereabouts one Mr. Smith who was of the Church of England after disliking thereof and leaving England in process of time was admitted a Member of a people of our Judgment then living in Amsterdam commonly but falsly called Brownists and in process of time was cast out of that Church for Errors he held and not long after he fell to deny his Baptism in infancy and knew not how to have a better nor a truer Administrator successively after your way of Dipping at length he Baptised himself and then he Baptised one Helvish by name this you may see in a Book written by one Mr. Jessop presented to King James more to ●his purpose I have seen in a book written by Mr. ●obinson living then at Leyden in Holland also in another Book written by one Mr. Clifton who wrote an answer to one of Mr. Smiths Books and in another Book written by Mr. Henry Ainsworth Teacher at that time in the Church where Mr. Smith was cast out from and as I have heard when I lived in London that one * This of Mr. Spilsbury I speak as I was told the others testimony is publick in Print and such men as were worthy to be believed Mr. Spilsbury should go to Holland to be Baptised of this Smith so he brought it into England And if you can prove no better an Administrator your Ministry will be found to come out of the bottomless pit as Romes Ministry did And that you may know how near kin your Baptism is