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A77750 A faithfull messenger sent after the Antinomians: to try their power in their last place of refuge, who are fled to Gods decrees for shelter, as Ioab did to the hornes of the altar, and say that they will dye there, I Kings 2. 29.30. Imprimatur Ja. Cranford. Bakewell, Thomas, b. 1618 or 19. 1644 (1644) Wing B533; Thomason E40_23; ESTC R5091 47,721 42

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decree is in order and time before the creature which being the latter cannot be the cause of the former and saith Mr. Calvin Instit 3.22.3 Speaking of those that would have fore-sight of Faith and Holinesse to be the cause of Election but saith he how shall these things agree together that those things which are derived from Election should be the cause of Election We are elected that we may be holy that so God may love us Ephe. 1.4 Not because we are holy so then the cause of Election was in God himselfe Ephes 1.9 Saith he God considered nothing without himselfe whereby he had regard too in his decrees therefore the end of Election tends to the praise of the glory of his grace ver 6. So that it was not actuall love to the people of God from all Eternity that moved God to send them a Saviour the moving cause was then in himselfe Againe I answer from another like place to this Luke 7.47 Many sins were forgiven her for shee loved much Will they say here the womans love went before Gods forgivenesse If they say no then I say they must needs conclude the same from that place in Iohn 3.16 That God did not love them before the sending of Christ and besides if they affirme the contrary they overthrow their first Argument for then they said that they were reconcil'd in Christ before the world was but here they would have all to be done before the sending of Christ but if this were so I demand to what purpose he came if not to reconcile and to adopt us and so to bring us into the love and favour of God the discovery of their owne contradictions might be a sufficient confutation of it Againe the world here with God so loved may be understood more generall and then more speciall First more generall he hath disposed the whole world and then more speciall First more generall he hath disposed the whole world Job 34.13 that is God disposeth of Heaven and Earth and all creatures in them The world is mine meaning all things that ever God made Psal 50. He shall judge the whole world with right Psal 96.13 That is he will doe all his creatures justice and so here God so loved the world John that is God so loued all his creatures and saw them all very good Gen. 1.31 When he had finished them he rested and was refreshed Exo. 31.17 So greatly did God delight in the workes of his hands that he was not willing they should be all destroyed in regard they were all very good therefore he sent mankind a Saviour that so all his creatures might be preserved I mean some of every kind The Elect Angels should be established by Christ that they cannot fall as also the highest Heaven is established that it cannot be moved but the lower heavens and the earth with all the creatures in them are defiled with sin The Heavens are not cleane in his sight Job 15.15 And the Angels that fell he chargeth with folly Job 4.18 And the Earth also is corrupt before God For all flesh had corrupted his way Gen. 6 11.12 So then all the creatures in the two lower heavens and the earth are corrupted by the sin of man and partake with him in punishments but by Christ they that are sound alive at the day of judgment shall be restored agame to their first perfection and so remaine for ever And their earnest expectation is when they shall be delivered Rom. 8. See the Saints Inheritance after the day of judgment this world of creatures God so loved that he sent to mankind a Saviour that some of all the workes of God may be preserved for ever For the new Heavens and the new Earth which I will make shall remaine before me saith the Lord Isai●h 66.22 The second exception of this word world is more specially to be taken for the world of believers that is all the beleevers from the first to the last in the time of their being and this world was never without beleivers since Christ was promised to Adam and Eve they having a justifying Faith wrought in them they should not perish nor any true beleevers that discended of them For God so loved the world of believers that he sent his Son to be the Saviour of the world 1 John 4.14 And Christ gave his life unto the world John 6.33 And bee taketh away the sins of the world John 1.29 But these places must needs bee understood to be the world of believers they shall never perish but have everlasting life for God so loved the world of believers is to take away their sinnes They are his people children that wil not lye So he was their Saviour Isa 63.8 When Israel was a child saith the Lord then I loved him Hosea 11.1 But all this will not prove that God loved him before he was a Child from all Eternity before they were adopted or sanctified by the Spirit But they will say God loved Iacob and hated Esau before they were borne because the Apostle quoting Malachi saith It is written Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated Rom. 9. I answer the Prophet wrote this a long time after their death now if he say after their death that God loved one and hated the other in the time of their being wil that prove that God either loved or hated before they were all that the Apostle saith was done before they were born is this that the elder should serve the younger this was the purpose of God according to election Rom. 9.11 12. And Gen. 25.23 Yet this was not to be understood of their persons but the elder nation should serve the younger which was also fulfilled 2 Sam 8.14 Where it is said that al they of Edom became servants to David K. of Israel Then they alleadg these words of Moses Deu. 7 6 7 8. That God loved them before they were but in the text there is no such matter but is plainly spoken to those that were then in present being saying Thou art a holy people the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a speciall people Now the reason why God chose this people and loved them was not because they were more in number then other people but because the Lord would keep the oath which he had sworn to their fathers vers 7 8. But here is nothing to prove that God loved them before they were if we would speak of Gods love before their being then it is this The Lord loved their fathers in the time of their being and therefore he chose their seed Deut. 4.37 Again if they say God sees all things at once both past present and to come and therefore the elect that are to be justified he ever saw them justified and therefore they were alwaies beloved from all eternity I answer by this rule that God once saw David commit adultery and murther for it was done in his sight Psal 51.4 Therefore hee sees
being empty trunks for the spirit of God to move in personally as they say without any change of the man therefore after conversion they are as dead as before and only those works that the spirit of God doth alone by himself in them are good but for those that the spirit of God doth by us those they say are as bad as the works of the Divell as for example Suppose the spirit of God shal move us to the duty of prayer or any other duty according to his wil this motion they grant to be good but when we receive this motion by faith and perform this duty that we are moved to doe this say they is as bad as the work of the Devil And when the spirit of God moves us and drawes us this is goed But when we run after him as the Spouse saith Cant. 1.4 This is no better then the work of the divel and when the spirit of God perswades us that our sins are forgiven and that we are in Covenant with God reconciled in Christ this they say is good but when we receive take this by our faith This say they is as bad as the work of the divel and so when the spirit of God pronounceth us just that is good but sanctification wherby we declare our selves just that is as bad as the work of the Divell Again I answer if it were possible to separate the works of faith in a beleever from the works of corrupted nature then this might be true Yet I grant that their failings and sinful actions as Davids adultery Peters denying of his Mr. these were the works of corrupted nature because the divel was the Author of them But there repentance and reformation was not the workes of corrupted nature then it appears to me that all their actions were not so bad as the works of the devill neither was Pauls preaching so bad as his persecuting and blaspheming before conversion For when a child of God is in the way of obedience although his actions are not perfectly good yet they are not without some goodnesse in them being acted by faith and regulated by the word of God and tend to his glory Such actions cannot be before conversion neither are they to be found in devils nay the very sins of Gods people are not so bad as they were before conversion as the works of the divel For the spirit lusteth against the flesh that they cannot sin as they would Gal. 5.17 Again The life of a beleever is by faith in the son of God Gal. 2.20 The just do live by their faith Hab 2.4 Neither can they live without it So then they cannot sin as before because the seed of God remaineth in them 1 John 3.6.9 And the spirit of God leadeth them into all truth John 16.13 And the spirit of God dwelleth in them so that if the Divel tempt them to sin greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world 1 John 4.4 And if the world tempt us saith Christ be of good cheare I have overcome the world John 16.33 And we are borne of God and we have faith and this is the victory by which wee overcome the world even our faith 1 John 5.4 And if the flesh would sin the spirit lusteth against the flesh that we cannot doe those things we would Gal. 5.17 Then are Gods people as dead as before and all their works as bad as the works of the Divell Againe we are made living stones and built up into a spirituall house and we are an holy Priest-hood to offer up spirituall Sacrifices acceptable to God by Iesus Christ 1 Pet. 2.5 But the sacrifice of the wicked is abhomination Pro. 15. And their praier also Pro. 28.9 And we are made new creatures and cast into a new mould of Doctrine and led by another Principle which made Peter say Wee cannot but speake the things that we have heard and seen Acts 4.20 We doe not obey by constraint but willingly Phil. 14. Thy people shall be a willing people in the day of thy power Psal 110.3 So that although wee bee changed and our heart set upon another object yet wee goe on freely the will being changed wheels all parts of body and soule as a willing instrument in the hand of Christ who is the author and finisher of our faith Heb. 12.3 Then although we had no hand in the first infusion of grace but were meere passives in the worke yet when the new life of faith is put into us and we made living stones then we are labourers together with God that salvation which he hath begun we worke it out with feare and trembling and increase our talent of faith by trading and so shal be our salvation hereafter in greater glory as I shewed before For it is our onely busines here to improve our Talent Luke 19.13 And to grow in grace 2 Pet. 3.13 And the strongest Christians must say with the Apostles Lord increase our faith Luke 17.3 Then sure our workes are not so bad as the works of the Divel neither are we as dead as a stone if we sin after grace is given it is either through some weaknes or in some passion or through the violence of some temptation for there is an inward principle flat against it Then eat thy bread with joy and drinke thy wine with a merry heart for God now accepteth thy works Eccles 9.7 And so I leave the reader to judge whether the actions of Gods people be as bad as the works of the Divell and themselves as dead as a stone Againe my Opposite at that time maintained against me that God was the Author of sin for saith he murder is a sin yet God commanded Abraham to slay his Son and deceit and robbery are sins yet God gave way to Israel to rob the Egiptians Exod. 3.21 And who gave Iacob for a spoile and Israel to the robbers did not the Lord Isa 42.24 And lying is a sin that shuts out of heaven yet God sends the Divel to be a lying spirit in the mouth of Ahab's Prophets and the Lord stird up David to number the people 2 Sam. 24.1 And wee pray that Christ may not lead us into temptation To these I answer that God is above his Lawes and doth whatsoever hee pleaseth I know that the Lord is great our Lord is above all Gods whatsoever the Lord pleased that did he in heaven and in earth in the sea and in all deepe places Psal 135.5.6 If he adde a new commandement upon some speciall occasion or if he take away who can hinder him or who will say unto him what dost thou Job 9 12. Why dost thou strive with him he giveth no account of his matters Job 33.13 Then how dare these men call God to give account to them Nay but o●●man who art thou that repliest against God Rom. 9.20 Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him he that reproveth God let him