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A77750 A faithfull messenger sent after the Antinomians: to try their power in their last place of refuge, who are fled to Gods decrees for shelter, as Ioab did to the hornes of the altar, and say that they will dye there, I Kings 2. 29.30. Imprimatur Ja. Cranford. Bakewell, Thomas, b. 1618 or 19. 1644 (1644) Wing B533; Thomason E40_23; ESTC R5091 47,721 42

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them from before but they being sencible of their own weaknesse as not being able to behold the clear sun-beams of truth with fixed eyes durst not stand it out but away they fled but this messenger will pursue them to their place of refuge and try their power there and he doubts not of the victory for by faith the walls of this City wil fal down slat before Gods people And cursed be the man before the Lord that raiseth up and buildeth the Citie Iericho Iosh 6.26 1 K. 16.34 But these builders have been employed in repairing this old heresie these fourteen years to my knowledg for then some of these held that a man is actually in the favour of God reconciled in Christ justified sanctified called and adopted all this actually in election such were Paul and Manasses before conversion yea they were borne so into the world and I have had this disputation in writing by me ever since which I had with them and now more enlarged This they would prove from those words of Paul God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself 2 Cor. 5.19 I answer this will prove nothing for their purpose for it is impived there was a world before God did actually recencileit to himselfe but we know the age of the world when it was made and how old it is but for Gods decrees they have bin from all eternity and are as old as himself but if their tenets were true we might boast of our Progenitors and say that Adam had his actuall being as soon as God even from all eternity if Gods decrees and actions his purposes and performances were all actually done at the same time But to prove this they must be constrained to carry the works of God to his decrees and say that all the works of God were created and actually made from al eternity being actually made in his decrees or else they must be forced to bring down the decrees of God to the works of creation and say that neither God nor his decrees had any being before the Creation and so the creatures are as old as their Creator which were miserable Atheisme for any man to think so saith the Apostle God by Christ made all things in heaven and in earth visible and invisible and he is before all things Golloss 1.16 17. And saith wisedome which is Christ The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way before his works of old I was from everlasting or ever the earth was when there was no depths I was brought forth when there was no fountaines abounding with water before the mountains were setled before the hills was I brought forth while as yet he had not made the earth nor the fields nor the highest part of the dust of the world Prov. 8.22 23 24 25 26. And saith David Thy throne is established of old thou art from everlasting Psal 93.2 Then surely God had his being before the world was and if they would beleeve Moses whom they so much despise he would shew them the original and first beginning of all the creatures in his first of Genesis and how that the 3 persons in trinity consulted about the creation of man before they actually did it saying Let us make man in our Image after our likenes ver 26. every days work was done by a speciall command from God he spake it was done he commanded it stood fast Psa 33.9 Thus God commanded and the spirit of God mooved upon the face of the deep and saith Christ When he prepard the heavens I was there when hee set a compasse upon the face of the depth when he established the clouds above when he strengthned the fountains of the deep when he gave to the sea his decree that the waters should not passe his Commandement when hee appointed the foundations of the earth Then I was by him as one brought up with him and I was daily his delight rejoycing alwais before him Prov. 8.27 28 29 30. But after the creation then Christ rejoyceth in the habitable part of his earth and his delight is with the sonnes of men verse 31. But to say that the Creatures were actually made in Gods decree they had as good say they had no beginning and so deny that article of their faith that God made heaven and earth again if they say God reconciled his people to himself actually from all eternity in the decrees then I demand of them when the breach was made which must needs go before reconciliation wil they make the creature older then the Creator and say they did offend before his decrees this cursed error is the ground of all confusion for if they say God actually made all things when he decreed to make them it is as much as to say there was no decrees at all There was once a question put to Austine what God did before he made the world and his answer was that hee then made hell for such Inquisiters but if our Antinomians had bin put to answer it they would have said that then God reconciled them justified and sanctified them called adopted them and all this actually in his decree but here Paul doth not say God hath reconciled the world but that God was in Christ reconciling the world neither doth he say before the world was but when the world was then the truth is this when the world was made and Adam had sinned then God began actually to reconcile falne man to himself by faith in the Messiah that should breake the serpents head so God hath been ever since reconciling his elect to himselfe as they fall in the severall ages of the world saith Christ My father worketh hitherto and I work Iohn 5.17 Yet I grant that the Apostles when this was spoken were reconciled for saith Paul God hath reconciled us to himselfe by Iesus Christ 2 Cor. 5 18. But others although they were elected as wel as they yet they were not actually reconciled to God only they had the word of reconciliation and the ministry of reconciliation and saith Paul wee pray you in Christ's stead to be reconciled to God although by the blessing of God upon their preaching and prayers many were reconciled to the Lord or added to the Lord. Acts 5.14 And you that were sometimes alienated and enemies in your minde by wicked workes yet now hath he reconciled Coloss 1.21 There was a time when we were enemies yet afterwards reconciled by the death of his son Rom. 5.10 Againe if all things were actually done in Gods decrees or done because they are decreed to be done then how wil they distinguish between the decrees of God his works actions The holding of this would overthrow his decrees which are his purposes from al eternity to create govern and dispose of al his creatures Then art thou called to the state of grace it is because that the purpose of God was to do it from all eternity Thou art called according to
decree is in order and time before the creature which being the latter cannot be the cause of the former and saith Mr. Calvin Instit 3.22.3 Speaking of those that would have fore-sight of Faith and Holinesse to be the cause of Election but saith he how shall these things agree together that those things which are derived from Election should be the cause of Election We are elected that we may be holy that so God may love us Ephe. 1.4 Not because we are holy so then the cause of Election was in God himselfe Ephes 1.9 Saith he God considered nothing without himselfe whereby he had regard too in his decrees therefore the end of Election tends to the praise of the glory of his grace ver 6. So that it was not actuall love to the people of God from all Eternity that moved God to send them a Saviour the moving cause was then in himselfe Againe I answer from another like place to this Luke 7.47 Many sins were forgiven her for shee loved much Will they say here the womans love went before Gods forgivenesse If they say no then I say they must needs conclude the same from that place in Iohn 3.16 That God did not love them before the sending of Christ and besides if they affirme the contrary they overthrow their first Argument for then they said that they were reconcil'd in Christ before the world was but here they would have all to be done before the sending of Christ but if this were so I demand to what purpose he came if not to reconcile and to adopt us and so to bring us into the love and favour of God the discovery of their owne contradictions might be a sufficient confutation of it Againe the world here with God so loved may be understood more generall and then more speciall First more generall he hath disposed the whole world and then more speciall First more generall he hath disposed the whole world Job 34.13 that is God disposeth of Heaven and Earth and all creatures in them The world is mine meaning all things that ever God made Psal 50. He shall judge the whole world with right Psal 96.13 That is he will doe all his creatures justice and so here God so loved the world John that is God so loued all his creatures and saw them all very good Gen. 1.31 When he had finished them he rested and was refreshed Exo. 31.17 So greatly did God delight in the workes of his hands that he was not willing they should be all destroyed in regard they were all very good therefore he sent mankind a Saviour that so all his creatures might be preserved I mean some of every kind The Elect Angels should be established by Christ that they cannot fall as also the highest Heaven is established that it cannot be moved but the lower heavens and the earth with all the creatures in them are defiled with sin The Heavens are not cleane in his sight Job 15.15 And the Angels that fell he chargeth with folly Job 4.18 And the Earth also is corrupt before God For all flesh had corrupted his way Gen. 6 11.12 So then all the creatures in the two lower heavens and the earth are corrupted by the sin of man and partake with him in punishments but by Christ they that are sound alive at the day of judgment shall be restored agame to their first perfection and so remaine for ever And their earnest expectation is when they shall be delivered Rom. 8. See the Saints Inheritance after the day of judgment this world of creatures God so loved that he sent to mankind a Saviour that some of all the workes of God may be preserved for ever For the new Heavens and the new Earth which I will make shall remaine before me saith the Lord Isai●h 66.22 The second exception of this word world is more specially to be taken for the world of believers that is all the beleevers from the first to the last in the time of their being and this world was never without beleivers since Christ was promised to Adam and Eve they having a justifying Faith wrought in them they should not perish nor any true beleevers that discended of them For God so loved the world of believers that he sent his Son to be the Saviour of the world 1 John 4.14 And Christ gave his life unto the world John 6.33 And bee taketh away the sins of the world John 1.29 But these places must needs bee understood to be the world of believers they shall never perish but have everlasting life for God so loved the world of believers is to take away their sinnes They are his people children that wil not lye So he was their Saviour Isa 63.8 When Israel was a child saith the Lord then I loved him Hosea 11.1 But all this will not prove that God loved him before he was a Child from all Eternity before they were adopted or sanctified by the Spirit But they will say God loved Iacob and hated Esau before they were borne because the Apostle quoting Malachi saith It is written Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated Rom. 9. I answer the Prophet wrote this a long time after their death now if he say after their death that God loved one and hated the other in the time of their being wil that prove that God either loved or hated before they were all that the Apostle saith was done before they were born is this that the elder should serve the younger this was the purpose of God according to election Rom. 9.11 12. And Gen. 25.23 Yet this was not to be understood of their persons but the elder nation should serve the younger which was also fulfilled 2 Sam 8.14 Where it is said that al they of Edom became servants to David K. of Israel Then they alleadg these words of Moses Deu. 7 6 7 8. That God loved them before they were but in the text there is no such matter but is plainly spoken to those that were then in present being saying Thou art a holy people the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a speciall people Now the reason why God chose this people and loved them was not because they were more in number then other people but because the Lord would keep the oath which he had sworn to their fathers vers 7 8. But here is nothing to prove that God loved them before they were if we would speak of Gods love before their being then it is this The Lord loved their fathers in the time of their being and therefore he chose their seed Deut. 4.37 Again if they say God sees all things at once both past present and to come and therefore the elect that are to be justified he ever saw them justified and therefore they were alwaies beloved from all eternity I answer by this rule that God once saw David commit adultery and murther for it was done in his sight Psal 51.4 Therefore hee sees
David acting those fins now and will see them so for ever and because Christ once looked upon Peter when he denyed him with cursing and swearing therefore now he looks upon him at this present and sees him cursing forswearing and denying him and because Christ was once angry with Peter and said get thee behind me Sathan thou art an offence unto me and savourest not the things that be of God but the things that be of men Math. 16.23 Wil it follow that Peter is now an offence to Christ and that Christ now sees that he savours not the things of God doth God see Paul now persecuting his people because he once saw him do so and for the sins of Manasses and Moses who saith we have sinned in the light of thy countenance Psal 90.8 Doth God now see them at this present acting those sins which they committed when they were here because time was when he saw them in the very act of those abhominations A boy of 7 years old might answer that God hath perfect remembrance of them but yet he sees them as past not in present being And God once heard the groanings of Israel in Egypt under the Task-masters he looked upon them and had respect unto them Exod. 2.24 25. But wil it follow that now God sees Pharaoh tiranizing over them at this present they being in heaven out of his reach there the wicked cease from troubling and there the weary be at rest and hear not the voice of the oppressor Iob 3.17 18. And so time was when God saw Hezekiah sicke of the plague but now doth God see him sick of the plague in heaven and God saw Davids wounds stinke and putrifie for it was inflicted on him for his foolishnesse Psal 38.5 But now doth God see Davids running sores in heaven because he once saw them in time past or whether hath he a perfect remembrance of them not as in present being but as past God saw what Amaleck did to Israel when they came out of Egypt Exod. 17.14 But afterward in the time of Samuel the Prophet saith the Lord I remember what Amaleck did to Israel 1 Sam. 15.2 And so the Lord saw all the passages of Israel in the wildernesse yet saith he I remember the kindnesse of thy youth when thou walkedst after me in the wildernesse Jer. 2.2 But God sees all these things now as past yet in his perfect remembrance as wee say to remember such a thing past as if it were but now done so then God may have a perfect remembrance of things past and yet not bring them back again to a perfect being God saw all the creatures drowned in Noahs flood but it were folly to thinke that God now sees the water spread over all the earth above the highest mountaines all of us drownd in the deluge And so for things to come God hath in his mind what to do hereafter as Daniel said to the King Dan. 2.28 But the decrees are not yet brought forth Zeph. 2.1 2. As for example God hath in his decree purposed to destroy the world with fire and brimstone but wil it follow therefore that God now sees all his creatures at this present in a burning flame or whether is it low as David saith Thou knowest my thoughts long before or a far off Psal 139.2 So God sees things that are to come but not as in present being the Scripture foresaw that God would justifie the heathen through faith Gal. 3.8 But yet not in actuall being it was in his sight afar off as a man may have the frame of a house or the model of it in his minde before it be actually builded so was all the world in the mind of God before it was created God saw the moddel of it from all eternity yet not as really done but only in his purpose But when God had created all his works he saw them all and said they were all very good Gen. 1.31 But now wil some of those cursed heritiques step forth and say that God dissembled when he said they were all very good for say they he sees all things past present and to come at once and therefore he at that time saw some of the Angels falne and were then cursed devils and a great part of mankind were then reprobates and all the creatures under heaven defiled with sin at that present how wil these men cleare themselves of blasphemy if they hold these wicked tenets that man is actually justified in the sight of God because hereafter he shal be justified by this argument the whole earth was cursed of God and some of the Angels were falne and then cursed as soone as before they were created yea at that present when God said they were all very good And so on the contrary when the Angels had sinned and were cast out of heaven and man had sinned and was cast out of Paradise and the whole earth cursed for mans sin will these men say that God now looks upon divels sinful men as in the time of their Innocency and because God once said they were all very good wil he now say they are very good what blasphemy is this God saith wo be to them that call evil good and wil he do it if this were so why then were all the creatures cursed for the sin of man for by their argument God did once see man innocent therefore God alwaies sees man innocent for God sees those that are effectually called to be actually justified therefore he alwaies saw them actually justified this is Antinomian divinity but we say that God sees all things that are in present being perfectly as so but for things past hee hath a perfect remembrance of them as if they were in present being but yet he sees them as past and for things to come as not yet in present being God wil hereafter justifie sanctifie adopt and save his elect yet they are not so till they have faith effectual calling Other sheepe I have which are not of this fold them also I must bring in John 10.16 But for the present they are not brought in Suppose they say Christ looked on the young man in the Gospel and loved him Mat. 10.21 Although he was an hypocrite and without any saving grace I answer he loves the devil as to own his own work in him but yet hee may be damn'd for all that but suppose they say that God in his love and in his pitty redeemed them carryed them all the days of old Isay 63.9 I answer as before God loved his own work upon them and so redeemed them from Pharaohs bondage But they rebelled and vexed his holy spirit therefore he was turned to bee their enemy and fought against them vers 10. But when God loves in Christ he loves for ever John 13.1 But this love is peculiar to his people as David saith Remember me ô Lord with that favour thou bearest unto thy people ô visit mee
A faithfull MESSENGER Sent after the ANTINOMIANS To try their power in their last place of refuge who are fled to Gods Decrees for shelter as Ioab did to the hornes of the Altar and say that they will dye there 1 Kings 2.29.30 Imprimatur Ja. Cranford You that were sometimes alienated and enemies in your minds by wicked workes yet now hath he reconciled Col. 1.21 The Scripture foreseeing that God would justifie the Heathen through faith Galat. 3.8 If ye hearken to these judgments and keep and do them then the Lord thy God shall keep unto thee the Covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy Fathers and he wil love thee Deut. 7.12.13 But as many as received him to them he gave power to become the sons of God even to them that beleeve on his name John 1.12 LONDON Printed by M. Okes for T. Bankes and are to be sold in Black-fryers on the top of Bridewelstairs 1644 To the READER CHristian Reader the Apostle saith there must be heresies among you that they which are approved may be manifest among you 1 Cor. 11.19 And Christ saith It mast needs be that offences come but woe be to that man by whom the offence commeth Math. 18.7 Then rouze up thy selfe as against all sects and schismes so against this one heresie trimd up with some additions by our Antinomians in which they confound Gods Decrees and his worke● together and also his prom●ses and performances and they cast a cloud over the omissience of God and so would perswade us that he doth not see his creatures perfectly as they are and where they are but as if he saw a man in one kingdome when hee is in another because he was there or as if he saw them on earth when they are gone to heaven or hell because they were there or as if he saw them in many places at once or as if he s●w mans birth and death all at once as if he saw Angels very good and yet cursed Devills at the same time and as if he saw man in innocency and falne all at once and that he should blesse all his Creatures here before and curse them all at once But here we may safely make these conclusions First that it is against the nature of God to see all his creatures created and yet not created all at once Secondly it is against the nature of God to see a creature in one place when he is in ather or in many places all at once Thirdly it is against the nature of God to see his changeable creatures in severall conditions all at once as to be in their bloud and yet justified all at once and to see them in their innocency and faln all at once but these men would make the God of order to be the author of all confusion for when all the creatures under heaven were corrupted by the sin of man and lay under a curse then these men say that they were in the favour of God justified sanctified called and adopted the sons of God but can a fountaine send forth salt water and fresh Iam. 3. If not how shall the fountain of living water do so Doth God say that al his creatures were made very good Gen. 1.31 yet at the same time so great part of them cursed divells and reprobates what blasphemy is this to charge the God of truth that cannot ly with lying and desembling or else with blindnesse as if he did not see them cleerely and so call them good through mistakes as Isaac blessed Jacob so because the heathen shall hereafter be justif●ed through faith Gal. 3.8 These men would make God uncapable of the passage of time here with us and so have them just before their time But the times and seasons the Father hath kept in his own power Acts 1.7 Then doth not he know he can keep his promise to a thousand generations Psal 105.8 And performe it the same day Exod. 12.41 Then although he knew when his creatures were made very good that some of them would not long continue in that condition but by sin become devils and reprobates yet it wil not follow that God saw them so soone as they were made neither on the contrary wil it follow that when the Lord saw the earth corrupt that God saw all things at that instant very good because they were so at first but when he said they were good they were so indeed although he know that man would fall that so his purposes might be brought forth in their severall ages and times wherein they were appointed for there is a time before the decrees bring forth Zeph. 2.1.2 And till that time the elect are children of wrath Even as others all that time they were without God and without Christ Ephe. 2.3.12 And without his spirit and therefore none of his Rom. 8.9 There was no difference till our hearts be purified by faith Acts 15.9 The Scripture hath concluded all under sin that the promise by faith of Iesus Christ might be given to them that beleeve Gal. 3.22 God saw his people before conversion to be enemies and alienated in their minds and after conversion he sees them now reconciled Colos 1.21 Yet God doth not change Neither is there shadow of changing in him Iames 1.17 But the Creatures change daily evill and waxe worse and worse 2 Tim. 3.13 And Gods people grow in grace as new borne babes 2 Pet. 2.2 Then sure the Lord sees all their changes before the Creation God loved nothing but himselfe because there was no other object and this love to himselfe was the moving cause why he made all the creatures to set forth his owne glory and those that glorifie him most are the most beloved of him then a man that is wholly sanctified is more beloved than he that is but in part sanctified and he that is but in part sanctified more beloved than he that is not sanctified at all and he that hath a being hath something in him that God loves when as he that hath no being hath nothing to be beloved Then what a folly is it to say the child of God is actually beloved of God Iustified Sanctified called Adopted before they have any being these things are more largely answered in this Booke which here I have written for thy better information read it and if thou receive any benefit or satisfaction herein give God the praise and me remember in thy prayers And so I commend thee to God and to the Word of his grace Which is able to build thee up and to give thee an Inheritance among all them that are sanctified Acts 20 32. Thine in the Lord Iesus Thomas Bakewell A faithful messenger sent after the Antinomians to their last refuge who are fled to Gods decrees for SHELTER THe occasion of this addition to my former discourse against the Autinomians tenets is their flying for shelter to Gods decrees which I had thought I had sufficiently barrd