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A77735 A brief ansvver to obiections of all sorts, against Presbyterian chvrches and their government. Bakewell, Thomas, b. 1618 or 19. 1650 (1650) Wing B528; Thomason E620_11; ESTC R206382 29,802 35

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God and the condemning power of the Law and all miseries upon body and soul name and state in this world and those unsufferable everlasting torments in hell and I believe that all the creatures in heaven and earth are not able to deliver us out of this condition and I believe that the greatest part of mankind are reprobates and shall unavoidably suffer these torments now this is part of the account of our faith yet no account at all of our hope so likewise I believe that Iesus Christ the Sonne of God was conceived by the holy Ghost born of the virgin Mary suffered under Pontius Pilate was dead and buried and the third day he arose from the dead and ascended into heaven now to put hope in this place that Christ would do those things would destroy our faith so dangerous it is to the Eldership to require an account of faith from unblameable communicants to debarre them from the Lords Table till they have from them a second admission from this Text. But Paul saith let a man examine himself and so let him eat now he will do it partially if left to himself neither doth this Text exclude the Eldership Ans I am speaking of those examined already or at least tendred themselves to it when they were admitted 2. That self examination is of the heart whether Christ be in them see 2 Cor. 13.5 which none but themselves can do 3. If this Text include the Eldership they must examine them every time they come to that Ordinance 4. The Eldership is onely to examine those that are not Communicants that they may be Communicants unlesse some great sinne be laid to their Charge which if proved may justly debarre them from that Ordinance till reformation and satisfaction to the Church for it now the younger sort who never were yet at the Sacrament will more freely answer before the grave Eldership than before all the Congregation and so will those that are cast out that they may be admitted But is it sufficient for the teaching Elder to sow the seed of sound Doctrine and then to look no further after the growth of it in the hearts of his people Ans No for the Teaching Elder and the ruling Elders together ought to visit their flock and to labour to remove whatsoever will hinder the growth of it as the husbandman doth when he hath sowed the seed who when he seeth great stones lie upon it will remove them or great clods then he will break them or if water stand to drown it he will let it out or if the fence be broken he will make it up even so should Church officers labour to remove all doubts and scruples that may hinder their growth in grace and also defend them from any that shall seduce them by error and prophanenesse thus when Christ had preached publickly in the Temple Iohn 18.20 Then privately he expounded all things unto them Mark 4.10 34. yea he went into his garden to see if the vine did flourish or the pomgranats budded which made the spouse immediately to be as the Chariots of Aminadab swift and comely Cant. 6.11 12. so also when Christ had sent out his Apostles to preach Mat. 10. he presently sent out seventy more to confirm their Doctrine Luke 10. so when Paul had preached to them publickly he then admonished them privately from house to house Acts 20.20 yea when any of the Apostles had preached publickly they returned to confirm the souls of the Disciples Acts 14 21 22.15.41 Paul plants and Apollo waters 1 Cor. 3.5 6. when Apollo went into Achaia the brethren wrote unto the Disciples to receive him who when he was come helped them much that believed through grace Acts 18.26 27. so should ruling Elders long to impart unto them some spirituall gift for their mutuall joy Rom. 1.11 12 But although Christ and his Apostles did so will it follow that the minister and Elders ought now to do so Ans Yes for what Christ and his Apostles did publickly in the Ministery was for other Ministers imitation and what they did privately was for all Christians to follow but especially ruling Elders who are appointed to assist them in Church government 2. All Christians are bound to admonish one another in the faith Heb. 10.25 Iud. 20. much more ought ruling Elders 3. Some ought to warn the unruly and to comfort the feeble minded and support the weak 1 Thes 5.14.15 but neither equalls nor inferiors can do this 4. It is the custome of other Churches with whom we have engaged that the officers should visit the flock both for their protection and edification 5. The Church hath many enemies who seek to destroy it Acts 20.29 30. 1 Pet. 5.8 2 Tim. 3.6 therefore some had need to defend it and who so fit as ruling Elders who watch for their souls with the teaching Elder as those that must give an account for them Heb. 13.7 17. Lastly this visiting them from house to house by mutuall conference will remove jealousie of their pride and increase knowledge and unity between them and the people But what if the Eldership shall find some who were formerly admitted to be both prophane and scandalous shall they still partake at the Lords Table Ans No if they declare their sinne as Sodom and hide it not and their very countenance doth testifie against them Isa 3.9 when the pride of Israel doth testifie to his face that he doth not turn to the Lord his God Hos 7.10.5 5. Such need no further proof if they paint the face as Iesabel 2 Kings 9.30 35. or by setting such spots on them which shews they are none of Gods people Deur 32.5 or by their naked breasts or if men do as it was fasly reported of David shamelessely uncover themselves in the sight of Maidservants 2 Sam. 6.20 or men hung about most vainly with ribbonds and points or women in the harlots habit Prov. 7 10. their apparrell being strange to all modesty God will destroy such although they be Princes children Zephaniab 1.8 But what if they in their visiting find some men wearing long hair and poundred locks and women lay out their hair shall such come to the Lords table Ans No not till Reformation for such people are so far from Grace that they have almost sinned out the very light of nature for doth not even nature it self teach that if a man have long hair it is a shame unto him 1. Cor. 11.14 Secondly when men are called to fasting and prayer they are charged to cut off their hair Jer. 7.29 and Iob did so when he fell on the ground and worshipped Iob 1.20 yea saith Paul judge your selves is it comely for a woman uncovered to joyn in publike prayer or prophecying or at the Lords Table 1 Cor. 11.5.13.20 Thirdly the Churches of God have no such custome although some will be contentious ver 16. and women ought to have power over their heads in the sight of the