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A45153 The question of re-ordination, whether, and how a minister ordained by the Presbytery, may take ordination also by the Bishop? by John Humfrey ... Humfrey, John, 1621-1719. 1661 (1661) Wing H3704; ESTC R8105 33,209 104

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13. by the Holy Ghost and laying on of hands unto that farther work they are called to in Sel●u●ia and Cyprus How is it like that so famous a Minister as Barnabas should be wholly without Ordination before unless Ordination be not so necessary a thing to the Ministry as we make it And for the other instance of Paul there is more in it I will not draw out the strength of it till I come to the chief knot By the way only It is a conceit I must confess is got in me from this Text that if a Minister have a call with a good conscience to a new place or new work though it be not necessary it is lawful for him to have a particular Ordination to the same and I think that the hands of a grave Bishop and good men laid on him afresh with their Fasting and Solemn Prayers for Gods blessing upon him in it were like to do him no harm But to come to the bottom To judge aright of Re-ordination we must first consider what is Ordination Ordinatio say Protestant Divines is vocationis confirmatio The Leyden Divines drop this definition Ordinandi potestas seu in Ministerio confirmandi c. Disp 42. Thes 37. Ordinatio sayes Amesius nihil aliud est quam solennis declaratio ut coronatio Regis aut inauguratio Magistratûs De consc l. 4. c. 25. Some of our eminent Divines being consulted do say I am told Ordination is nothing but Approbation a publick approving a man as fit to be a Minister I would express it thus A solemn allowance of his Call I take these apprehensions in effect to be the same If they differ I rather choose the first both as most comprehensive of the other and also as most received insomuch as Wollebius going about to define Ordination gives it no other name Confirmatio sayes he est personae electae introductio in quâ publicis precibus praemissis Ecclesiae comendatur eique vocatio impositis manibus confirmatur From which hint I will recall that place which is to be more then once made use of as the clearest Text we have about this solemnity to wit the instance of Paul and Barnabas who being at Antioch and called by the Holy Ghost to their work St. Luke tells us Certain Teachers who were there prayed and fasted and layed their hands on them that is ordained them and sent them away and then in the two next Chapters going on and declaring their journeys and acts when they had done thus says he they returned to Antioch from whence they had been recommended to the grace of God for the work which they fulfilled in which words he does plainly seem to describe that matter in the former narration Ordination then is out of doubt whatsoever it be besides a solemn recommending the word is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 traditi or committing of a person to the grace of God for the work unto which he is called Unto this let me yet add the fore-cited Doctor Ames again more at large Vocationis essentia est in electione Ecclesiae acceptatione electi Adjunctum consequens consummans est Ordinatio quae nihil aliud est quam solennis quaedam introductio Ministri jam electi in ipsius functionis liberam functionem Medul Theol. l. 1. c. 39. One thing only I must not let pass as some light in the way here and to our business that when such Divines as these do say that Ordination is nothing else but a Declaration Approbation or Confirmation of our Calling Do you understand it not directly of our call by man where lyes alone I think the shortness of their sight but of our call by God and then it is exceeding well You will somewhere when I shall speak of this farther after see the clearness and consequence hereof Now those men who have imbibed such a notion only of Ordination as thus defined will I suppose soon conclude that a double Approbation Declaration or Confirmation of the same Ministry is no such matter but the lawfulnesse of it may be resolved when but once the Expedience is cleer I deny not but there is more in Ordination then this which creates the difficulty to wit that it it gives the ministeriall function yet will I not concede it but suppose it and go on though we have a cleer instance flat against it in Paul when again we come to it upon that supposition It suffices us if in re-ordination there be no more and so much for it is about that our question lyes And I know it is the generall sentiments of mens spirits must tast the thing at last and determine it for us whether good or bad which will therefore be proper for a Convocation some receiving it in their first conceptions as a second baptism others only as another marrying when the first is good before in the sight of God but questionable in Law and made sure And so I remember a worthy Doctor I spoke with occasionally about it did expresse it by Usury which in the common opinion is evill as to those that require it but not unlawfull as to those that upon their necessity do give it In adiaphoris saies Gerson superioris judicio maxime credendum quoniam ille vice Dei tibi dicet quid expedit et quid decet De. Relig. perf part 3. SECT II. HAving in my first paper made these scatter'd efforts already I shall now more roundly and freely lay you down my opinion with a larger compasse upon the whole matter in five or six propositions For the doing whereof waving in the way that touchy objection of the Covenant which for my oaths sake at my Degrees in the university I never took and if it were to do again could not take I need not any elaborate disquisition which neither the nature of a letter or my time or my present stock can allow but I shall set my thoughts down faithfully as they fall into my pen travailing only with words as already I have done to deliver my mind and not with the licking of the expression 1. I doubt not of Presbyterial ordination but that those men who have been ordained without a Bishop have done and do well but according to their office and duty in administring the word and sacraments as ministers of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God I can as well doubt whether my people before me are men or living creatures and not wheels or some things moved only by weights and engines as I can doubt of this The judgment of Bishop Usher Downam Carleton Archdeacon Mason Field of the Church Lib. 3. c. 39. and the practise of the Reformed Churches is known in the case 2. It appears in the time of the Apostles that a Presbyter and a Bishop was all one by these Texts Tit. 1.5 with 7. Acts 20.17 with 28. Phil. 1.1 1 Pet. 5.1 2. This Doctor Hammond thought safest to own The Bishops succeeded the Apostles and