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A86003 Male audis or An answer to Mr. Coleman his Malè dicis. Wherein the repugnancy of his Erastian doctrine to the word of God, to the solemne League and Covenant, and to the ordinances of Parliament: also his contradictions, tergiversations, heterodoxies, calumnies, and perverting of testimonies, are made more apparent then formerly. Together with some animadversions upon Master Hussey his Plea for Christian magistracy: shewing, that in divers of the afore mentioned particulars he hath miscarried as much, and in some particulars more then Mr Coleman. / By George Gillespie, minister at Edinbrugh. Published by authority. Gillespie, George, 1613-1648. 1646 (1646) Wing G754; Thomason E317_16; ESTC R200545 44,904 65

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for matter and words in stead of that which I said and doth not take the Argument right If the Ministers power be meerly Doctrinal and Government wholly in the Magistrates hands then all the particulars enumerated for instance Suspension from the Sacrament and the receiving of Appeals which he must not bring under the Quaesitum except he bring the Ordinance of Parliament under the Quaesitum shall be wholly in the Magistrates hand and Elderships may not suspend from the Sacrament Classes and Synods may not receive Appeals which yet by the Ordinance they have power to do One of the particulars and but one the Reverend Brother hath here touched and it is thus For Ordination of Ministers I say it is within the Commission of Teaching and so appertains to the Doctrinal part This is the effect of his zeal to maintain that all Ecclesiastical Ministerial power is meerly Doctrinal But mark the consequence of it He that holds Ordination of Ministers to be within the Commission of Teaching and to appertain to the Doctrinal part must hold by consequence that the power of Ordination is given uni as well as unitati that is That every single Minister hath power to ordain as well as the Classis But Master Coleman holds Ordination of Ministers to be within the Commission of Teaching c. The reason of the Proposition is clear because the Commission of Teaching belongs to every single Minister so that if the power of Ordination be within that Commission it must needs belong to every single Minister Quid Respondes 7. The Reverend Brother having brought an odious Argument against me which did conclude the Magistrate to manage his Office for and under the Divel if not for and under Christ I shew his Syllogism to have four terms and therefore worthy to be exploded I get now two Replies First This is an errour if one in Logick not Divinity is it an errour in Divinity to make a Syllogism with four terms Male dicis pag. 15. See now if he be a fit man to call others to School who puts an If in this businesse If one Who did ever doubt of it And if it be an errour in Divinity to be Fallacious and to deceive then it is an errour in Divinity to make a Syllogism with four terms yea as foul an errour as can be Secondly He admitteth not my distinction of those words under Christ and for Christ I said the Christian Magistrate is under Christ and for Christ that is he is serviceable to Christ But he is not under Christ nor for Christ as Christs Vicegerent vice Christi in Christs stead as Christ is Mediator The Reverend Brother saith He foresaw that this would be said the greater fault it was to make his Argument so unclear and undistinct but he rejecteth the distinction as being distinctio sine differentia If a Magistrate saith he be thru far a servant of Christ as Mediator that he is to do his work to take part with him to be for his glory then he doth it vice Christi He addes the simile of a servant Hence it follows by the Reverend Brothers Principles That the Kings Cook because he doth work and service for the King therefore he doth it vice Regis and as the Kings Vicegerent Likewise that a servant who obeyeth his Masters Wife and executeth her commands because it is his Masters will and for his Masters honour doth therefore obey his Masters Wife vice Domini as his Masters Vicegerent and by consequence That the duty of obedience to the Wife doth originally belong to the Husband for the capacity of a Vicegerent which he hath by his Vicegerentship is primarily the capacity of him whose Vicegerent he is These and the like absurd consequences will unadvoidably follow upon the Reverent Brothers Argumentation That he who doth Christ service doth it vice Christi as Christs Vicegerent and that to be a mans Vicegerent and to do a mans work or service which I made two different things are all one But further observe his Tergiversation I had Pag. 13. proved my distinction out of these words of his own The Commissioner saith Magistracy is not derived from Christ I say Magistracy is given to Christ to be serviceable in his Kingdom So that though the Commissioners Assertion be sound which in due place will be discussed yet it infringeth nothing that I said I asked therefore quâ fide he could confound in his Argument brought against me those two things which himself had so carefully distinguished There is no Reply to this in Male dicis When the Brother thought it for his advantage he denied that the Magistrate his being serviceable to Christ doth infer the derivation of his power by a Commission of Vicegerentship from Christ for that was the derivation spoken of and yeelded that the Magistrate may be said to be serviceable to Christ though his power be not derived from Christ Now he denyeth the very same distinction for substance 8. Whereas the Reverend Brother had told the Parliament that he seeth not in the whole Bible any one act of that Church Government which is now in controversie I brought some Scriptural Instances against his Opinion not losing either the Argument from Matth. 18. concerning which he asketh what is become of it or other Scriptural Arguments which I intend by Gods assistance to prosecute elsewhere Now hear what is replyed to the Instances which were given First to that 1 Cor. 5. 13. Put away that wicked person from among you His answer is I say and it is sufficient against the Commissioner If this be a Church censure then the whole Church joyntly and every particular person hath power of Church censure Male dicis pag. 10. I hope Sir it is not sufficient against me that you say it so long as you say nothing to prove it I told you that Master Prynne himself who holds not that every particular person hath power of Church censure acknowledgeth that Text to be a warrant for Excommunication And when you say every particular person you say more then the Independents say and I am sure more then the Text will admit for the Text saith Put away from among you Therefore this power was given not uni but unitati And this unitas was the Presbytery of Corinth the sentence was inflicted {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} by many 2 Cor. 2. 6 it is not said by all I might say much for this but I will not now leave the Argument in hand for it is enough against Master Coleman that the place prove an act of Church Government flowing from a power not Civil but Ecclesiastical To whom the power belonged is another Question To the next Instance from 2 Cor. 2. 6. which is coincident with the former a punishment or censure inflicted by many It is onely a reprehension saith he {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} which by all the places in the New Testament ●an amount no