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A77726 An answer, or confutation of divers errors broached, and maintained by the seven churches of Anabaptists contained in those articles of their confession of faith propounded to the Parliament, and other grosse opinions held by them against the cleare light of the gospell. By Thomas Bakewell. Imprimatur John Downham. Bakewell, Thomas, b. 1618 or 19. 1646 (1646) Wing B526; Thomason E336_10; ESTC R200810 49,330 53

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have power c but I doubt of it you answer either the Church or the World must chuse them and which it is let the Scripture be judge this I grant that the Church representative or the Presbytery sent Iames and Iohn to Samaria Acts 8.14 and Paul and Barnabas another way Chap 13.3 but no man never did labour to gather to himselfe a Church neither did any Congregation separate themselves from the rest and claime this power to chuse officers out of their owne company but they brought them to the Apostles to ordaine them and to appoint or authorize them to their office Acts. 6.3.6 The Apostles laboured to gather disciples to the multitude having all an Interest in it as a common Presbytery so then there never was any single Congregation governed by it selfe though you make it an article of your faith to beleeve it The seven and thirtieth article You beleeve that you may take one of your sheepe and make him your shepherd but I doubt of it you answer that you know not where the Saints should find a Pastor if not among Church members but this I grant for we must chuse a Christian not a Iew or a Turke to be our Minister and we must take him out of the Church of England and so we doe when we take them out of the Schools of the Prophets the Universities for a Trades-man is placed by God otherwise and a man without humane learning ought not to meddle in it it is none of his businesse and hee ought not to meddle with other mens matters yet here you make it an article of your faith to beleeve that your Congregation may take one of themselves and make him their Pastor I grant that we may take a man of our coasts and set him up for a watchman Ezek. 33.2 But for you to take a sheep of your owne flocke and make him your shepheard having no ordination but from his fellow-sheepe you have no foundation in the scripture for this article of your faith The eight and thirtieth article You beleeve that the Ministers maintenance must be a voluntary contribution but I doubt of it your answer is that all acceptable service to God ought to be free whereof his servants maintenance is a part I answer it is true although the Ministers wages should be certaine yet it should be given freely and so we should freely pay all other debts and although it ought to be certaine yet this hinders not but we may be willing and doe it freely and so say this is a service to God I say it is no more to God then all other duties of the second table of the Law are which are to be done to men in conscience of obedience to God that commands it But the argument why the seven Churches will give the Minister what they list is this because it was Philemons voluntary contribution if he did any thing for his man Onesimus that had brake covenant with him and was ran away from him and Paul intreates him to use him kindely Phil. 14.18 But what is this to the Ministery Will it follow because a servant hath broke covenant and is run away from his Master and now what he doth for him is voluntarily that therefore a Congregation may do so with their faithfull Pastor that abideth with them Yet I confesse if a Pastor should doe with his flocke as Onesimus did with his Master be unfaithfull and runne away from them then let him stand to their voluntary contribution then here is but a weake foundation for this article The nine and thirtieth article You beleeve that baptisme must be dispensed onely to persons professing faith to disciples that are taught but this I doubt of you answer saying you beleeve all that Christ commanded and his servants preached to be truth in Gods worship which was to baptize such as beleeve but I say the Command of Christ was not to baptize them that beleeve but it was to teach baptizing all Nations and his servants practise was if the chiefe in any house beleeved Christ to be the Sonne of God they baptized all the family without any exception of Infants or servants for baptisme is the presse-money before they enter into the Christian warefare it is a Christians colors then shall any professe himselfe a souldier for Christ before he hath received his colours or his presse-money it were presumption for any to doe it and it is for want of wit in those that desire it so then professing is rather after then before baptisme unlesse you would have the Souldiers of Christ fight their warfare and then afterwards come for their presse-money The fortieth article You beleeve that this Ordinance must be dispensed by dipping or plunging which I doubt of you answer what Christ commands ought to be done without doubting this I grant but then you say that Christ commanded to baptize by plunging but I cannot finde it therefore I dare not give my faith to this article The one and fortieth article You beleeve that the persons designed by Christ to dispense this Ordinance are not officers in the Church onely but teaching Disciples this I doubt of but you answer that a Disciple did baptize but you know no officer except a Deacon that did baptize yet you deny not but they may but doe you not know that Paul the Apostle baptized Crispus and the houshold of Stephanus and the Jailor and all his But whose Disciple was he and the Deacon you speake of I suppose to be Philip but he was called to be an Evangelist and then he baptized the eunuch Acts. 8.21 It is there saith that he was one of those Deacons not that he is one still then your seven Churches would prove that Disciples may baptize from these scriptures Math. 26.26.28 Mark 16.17 John 4.12 Acts 20.7 But what if Christ called his Apostles Disciples in relation to his owne Personall Ministery will it follow that he sent them out Disciples if so then hee sent them out to be taught and baptized of all Nations but Christ ordained twelve and sent them out to preach and they were called Apostles before he sent them out Mark 3.14 6.30 Luke 6.13 But then he sought for baptisme in the old Testament and there he found that God saith binde the testimony and seale of the Law among my Disciples Isai 8.16 I answer if God binde the Law and seale the testimony among his Ministers then how dare these men to meddle with their Office The Preists lippes must keepe knowledge Mal. 2.7 The Law shall not perish from the Preist Jer. 18.18 Aaron and his sonnes shall keepe the Preists office Numb 1.50.53.18.1 Then by this proofe all but Ministers are barr'd from touching those holy things then how dare these men to meddle with that Office unlesse they were called of God and so lawfully placed in it The two and fortieth article you beleeve that the power to cast out and to receive in lies in the
ARTICLES of FAITH presented to the PARLIAMENT CHAP. I This Chapter contains a Confutation of many errors maintained by the Anabaptists in their Articles of Faith defended against me by Mr. Spilsbury one of their Teachers Their first Article they beleeve that there is one rule of obedience for all Saints in all places to be observed of which I doubted his answer was that the scripture is that rule to trie and judge all things I answer the scripture is an eternall rule of righteousnesse but not commanding the same things to be observed by all Saints in all times and in all places The Jews were commanded many things which we are not and yet by the Scriptures and we are commanded many things here that cease at our death and shall not be done in heaven then the same things are not to be observed by all Saints in all places Againe if the scripture be a rule for all Circumstances in all duties that make for outward decency and uniformity Then I must see a rule for these things before I give my faith to this Article In their next article they beleeve that all who know God and Christ shall have eternall life but vengeance shall be rendered on all that know not God and Christ but here I doubt they exclude all Infants that dye in their Infancy from salvation because they are not capable of such knowledge of God and Christ You answer saying you know not what is this knowledge neither hath the scripture revealed any such that were saved But was not Jereboams child saved when the Lord himselfe said that there was some good thing in him towards the Lord God of Israel 1 King 14 15. And did David rejoyce that his childe was damned and did he desire to goe to hell to his childe and rejoyce in beleeving it 2 Sam. 12.23 And why should not Infants that dye be saved when as they may be sanctified which is eternall life begunne already and they may be sanctified as well as Jeremiah and John the Baptist Jer. 1.5 Luke 1.15 Then are you a teacher and know not these things but you say you will not judge them when as you make it an article of your faith to beleeve that none shall be saved without this knowledge of God in Christ which infants are not capable of yet they may have the seeds of grace in them wrought by the Spirit of God neither can this be denyed when as they are sanctified by the Spirit of God Againe if I should beleeve this Article I feare I should condemne many of Gods people which have the faith of adherence but not the faith of evidence for many that live a holy life may want a cleare evidence that God is reconciled to them in Christ therefore I dare not give my faith to beleeve this Article Your sixteenth article is this you beleeve that unlesse Christ had beene God he could not perfectly have knowne the will of God which I doubt of but you answer that you beleeve that Christ was both God and man and the Prophet that all must heare but what of this who doubts of it but then you say that you will decline what the Word of God doth not hold forth but I feare you will not be as good as your word but suppose you be yet how doth this satisfie my doubt Yet further I grant that no creature can fully know this secret will of God for Christ as man knew not when the day of Judgement should be Mark 13.32 Neither can one creature know what God hath revealed to all creatures Man doth not know what God hath revealed to Angels nor doe they know fully what God hath revealed to men 1 Pet. 1.12 neither doth one man know what God hath revealed to the soule of another yet all this hinders not but Saints and Angels glorified although they be but creatures doe perfectly know what Gods will is to them and their duty to him then if you beleeve this article that Christ had not perfectly knowne the will of God but that he was God Why then doe you say that you will beleeve no more than the Word holds forth The VVord saith although here we see but darkely as through a glasse or latisee yet then we shall see face to face and know as we are knowne 1 Cor. 13.12 and yet creatures still not Godded with God nor Christed with Christ and yet we shall perfectly know his will to us and our duty to him Then if you be as good as your word you must cast away this Article of your faith The twentieth article you beleeve that the Kingdome of Christ shall then be perfected when Christ shall come the second time and reigne amongst his Saints Here I doubt you beleeve that the Kingdome of Christ shall then be perfected when Christ shall come from heaven personally into this world before the end of it and raigne Monarchically here on earth a thousand yeares Your answer is that Christs Kingdom shall then be perfected when Gods will is accomplished in the same and that Christ by the brightnesse of his appearing shall effect it but in what space of time you know not I answer Gods will cannot be accomplished till all his decrees are fulfilled which cannot be before the day of Judgement then shall all things that offend be gathered out of his Kingdom and cast into the furnace of fire Math. 13.40 41 42. Then after the dissolution of all things saith Peter we according to his promise look for new heavens and a new earth wherein dwelleth righteousnesse 2 Pet. 3.13 then indeede what Adam lost shall be restored by Christ the second Adam to its first purity and then the Saints shall inherit all things Revel 21.1.7 For the new heavens and the new earth which I will make shall remaine before me saith the Lord Isai 66.22 then the Kingdomes and Dominions under the whole Heavens shall be given to the Saints of the Most High whose Kingdome is an everlasting Kingdome and all Dominions shall serve and obey Christ Dan. 7.27 and of his Kingdom there shall be no end Luke 1.33 But the heaven shall receive Christ till the restitution of all things to their first perfection Act. 3.21 then this article is not by the scripture held forth therefore I dare not give my faith unto it The five and twentieth article you beleeve that the tenders of the Gospell are absolutely free and no way requiring as necessary the preceding ministry of the Law or any qualifications or preparations wrought by it but onely that the naked soule as a sinner and ungodly to receive Christ crucified dead and buried risen and made a Prince and a Saviour for such a sinner But I doubt of this and you answer that you know nothing absolutely necessary to save man but Jesus Christ and him crucified and faith to beleeve and apply the same but is not the Word of God a necessary Instrument in the hand of Christ whereby he