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A19668 Fryer Iohn Frauncis of Nigeon in Fraunce A replication to that lewde aunswere, which Fryer Iohn Frauncis (of the Minimes order in Nigeon nigh vnto Paris in Fraunce) hath made to a letter, that his mother caused to be written, and sent to him out of England, in August. 1585. Wherevnto is annexed an aunswere, to that which the same fryer hath written to his father and mother: in defence, and to the prayse of that religion, which he dooth nowe professe: and to the disprayse and defacing of that religion, which is nowe professed in Englande. Whereof the fryer himselfe was a scholler and professor, vntill the yeere 1583. which was the 18. yeere of hys age. VVritten by Robert Crowley. Anno. 1586. Crowley, Robert, 1518?-1588.; Debnam, Samuel. 1586 (1586) STC 6091; ESTC S109119 122,478 144

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but in your hart and minde also To followe their precepts and examples of life patientlie to take correction at their handes and to make continuall and hartie praiers to God for them To relieue and nourish them in case they should fal into pouerty or decay And in all points by shewing your selfe an obedient and good child to mooue them to be louing and good to you All this you confessed in my Church before many witnesses which shall in the day of iudgment be a testimonie against you to condemne you of wilfull Apostacie and a witnes to discharge your father and mother and all others that haue had the education of you of all maner negligence in enstructing you in the knowledge of your duety both towards God and towards man So that if you perish your blood shalbe vpon your owne head alone You procéede in your answere and thus you say The Fryar You write furthermore vnto me that you haue made great enquirie after me I know it well I was in feare great enough by reason of that enquirie as long as I was in Englande although that God be thanked I haue though hardly escaped your handes Crowley In these wordes you make knowne to as many as shall reade this your answer both the dutiful care that your good parents had to preserue you their wicked sonne from destruction bothe of body and soule and also your owne wilfull determination to caste your selfe headlong into that Gulfe of perdition that you are nowe fallen into Yea and that you are of that number that Esay y e Prophet bewayleth when he writeth thus in the 5. chap V aequidicitis malum bonum bonum malum ponentes tenebras lucem lucem tenebras ponentes amarum in dulce dulce in amarum Alas for them that call euill good and good euill Affirming darknes to be light and light to be darknesse turning sower into swéete and swéete into sower The bright shining light of the knowledge of y e truth which dooth nowe shine in England you call the darknes of ignorance and errour and the hellike darknes of Poperie wherein you doo nowe wander groping after the way of Saluation you call light shewing your selfe to be one of them that are noted by our English Prouerbe They that be in hell doo perswade themselues that there is none other heauen Moreouer you say thus The Fryar You heard that I was at Rhemes it is verie certaine I was there the reason also wherefore I writt not vnto you was partly the scarsitie of messengers and partlie other thinges which here I can not well rehearse Againe I could not write vnto you conueniently because I doubted whether you were aliue or dead Crovvley The report of your béeing at Rhemes you say was true which argueth y t it was rather y e lacke of good wyl in you to comfort your sorrowfull parents by your duetifull Letters then the lacke of messengers that stayed your penne What the other lets were which héere you can not well rehearse I hope you will tell vs at some other time more conuenient and when it shall not bee so daungerous for you as nowe it is And béeing by these Letters that you confesse you haue receiued certifyed that your Parents are lyuing that doubt that you spake of can no longer bee any let at all Procéeding in your answere you say thus The Fryar You write againe vnto mee that all my freendes are in good health to tell you the troth I knowe not any one freende amongst you Crovvley Bona verba queso Good sir be good to Watkin What not any one fréende amongst vs all There are many yet liuing y t haue béene your fréends I am sure of it As your father your mother my selfe my wife your Godmother Master Moncaster sometime your Schoolemaster Master Fielde Master Doctor Fulke master Paule Swallow and many moe that were your Mecaenates in Cambridge and howe happeneth it that all these be nowe blotted out of your Cataloge of fréends By all likelihoode all the benefites y t haue béene bestowed vpon you haue béene written in duste and not in Marble Your Grandmother that being your mothers mydwyfe lapped you in the first swadling clow●s that euer you bepyssed and did vnto you all the offyce of a mydwyfe was she not your fréende your mother that yet liueth and during the time of your infancie gaue you sucke of her owne breste and fedde you with foode meete for you when sometimes she spared it out of her owne bodie was she not then your fréende when she continued your Nursse and did vnto you all that is to be doone by a Nursse and when by your wraling and crying you had gotten a Rupture in the nether part of your belly she sought and procured meanes to ease and remedy the same by trusses and otherwise was she not then your fréende I coulde put you in minde of much more fréendship shewed vnto you by vs a boue named and by many moe but all is buried in obliuion so déepe that it is not possible that the same canbe digged vp againe in such sort that you can be moued to acknowledge the same Your newe Fréendes are so setled in your conceyte that all the olde are blotted out of memorie for euer You regarde not the Counsell of Syrach who wryteth thus Cap. 9. Ne derelinquas amicum antiquum nouus ●nim non erit similis illi Forsake not an olde fréend for the newe wyll not be like him c. Well you procéede in your answere and thus you say The Fryar As for my brother Aaron I beseeche our Lord sauior Iesus Christ by the merits of his bitter death and passion to haue mercy vpon his soule as also vpon yours and to saue you all at the day of iudgement Crovvley I doo like well of this your charitable wishe and doo wishe the like saluation to you and to all the rest of your newe fréends But now you doo vse a spéech by the figure Apostrophe And thus you write in the margine of your Letters The Fryar Brother Aaron leaue the Religion wherein you were at my departure from you and if that you can by anie meanes come on this side the seas come to Paris in Fraunce and aske after the Minimes Fryers at Nigeon so shall you finde me If that you come to me leaue your naughty Religion care for no more And counsell also my father and mother to do as you do or as I hope wyll doo Crowley This gostlie counsel that you giue to your brother Aaron and doo wish that he should giue y e same to your father and mother will not I hope be followed in haste That Religion that you call naughtie and will your Brother Aaron to leaue shall I hope be prooued in this my discourse the right Religion of Christe and your Romaine Religion méere Antichristian Now to put your mother out of doubt that you are her sonne Sammuell in déede
were for that Apostacie conquered by the Assyrians and the remnant of them carryed into strange landes farre off Of thys conuerting or turning of the posterity of this people the Prophet Ieremie dooth write after this manner Audiens audiui Ephraim trans●igrantem or as it is in the Hebrewe plangentem Castigastime Domine et eruditus sum or as it is in the Hebrew castigatus sum quasi iteuencus indomitus Conuerte me conuertar quiatu Dominus Deus meus Postquam enim conuertistime egi poenitentiaem postquam ostendistimihi per cussi femur meum Confusus sum erubui quoniam sustinui opprobrium adolescentiae meae c. I haue in verye déede sayth the Lorde heard Ephraim flytting out of his Country or as the Hebrewe hath it making great or pittifull lamentation saying after this manner O Lord thou hast corrected mee and I am thereby instructed or as the Hebrewe hath it I am chastened like an vntamed Bullocke Doo thou turne me and then I shall bée turned for thou art the Lord my God And after thou haddest turned me I repented And after thou diddest she we vnto me that is after thou diddest let me sée the filthines of myne owne life I dyd strike my thigh I was confounded I was ashamed for I did beare the reproche of mine owne youth Is not Ephraim a sonne that I estéeme much off Is he not a Ladde in whom I am delighted For since I haue spoken of him I will still remēber him And therfore the bowels of my compassion are mooued towardes him and in pittie I wyll haue compassion vpon him sayth the Lord. The due consideration of these wordes might haue moued you to doo the contrary of that which you say you were by them mooued to doo Ephraim had forsaken the right Religion of GOD and hee had embraced the Religion of Baall which was a wrong Religion he had forsaken the precepts and commaundements of God and embraced the precents and commaundements of men He had refused to hearken to the voyces of the true Prophets of God and had gyuen eare to the Prophets of Baal which were false Prophets Hée had left of to walke in those right and high wayes that the Lorde had taught his own people to walk in he had chosē thē to walk in by waies such as y e Lord forbad his people to walk in And haue not you doone y e like You were baptised in the right faith of Christ Jesus which your Godfathers your Godmother confessed at y e time of your baptising and desired for you that you might be baptised in that Fayth which they did then confesse And you were baptised in that fayth and were named Samuel But nowe you are called John Frauncis as your selfe haue written and therefore I feare you haue renounced your first Baptisme and haue béene rebaptized in the Romysh Catholike fayth professing and promising to beléeue and to doo all that that Antichristian Church teacheth and commaundeth You were brought vp in the knowledge of your duety towards God and your duety towards man but nowe you call that knowledge heresie and such as haue béene your instructors therein heretikes You haue and doo styll refuse to heare the voyce of the Preachers of the Gospell of Christ which are the true Prophets of this time and your eares are open to the voyces of the preachers of popysh ceremonies fayned and false miracles and all manner deuises of men which are the false prophets of this time You haue left the way of truth wherein God requireth his owne people to walke seruing him in spirite and truth that is in true holines righteousnes and you haue chosen to walke in by waies euen such as the Lord hath forbidden his people to walk in Namely the hearing of masses and therein gyuing diuine honour to creatures that is to bread and wine therein vsed and holden vp and shewed that they may be worshipped by such as be present In kyssing the Reliques of Saints in the supersticious refrayning of the vse of Gods good creatures wherein God hath giuen liberty to all men that will reuerently vse them and be thankfull to him for them In making inuocations and prayers to Angels to deade men such as be called Saints not knowing whether they can hear you or whether they can helpe you or no. In praying for the deade not knowing whether they doo stand in néede of your praiers or no. Yea not knowing whether your prayers may profite them or no. In honouring God and hys Saints by Images directly contrary to hys expresse commaundement Thou shalt not make to thy selfe any grauen Image c. In vowing performing the vow of wyuelesse chastitie and yet with this causion Si non castè tamen cautè If not chastlie yet warily In performing the vowe of wilfull pouertie and yet enioy all thinges necessary in great plenty In taking vpon you y e yoke of obedience to such as God hath not commandèd you to obey but shaking of that yoke of obedience that God hath layd vpon all mens neckes Namely to naturall Parents Princes and al maner of Gouerners In dooing penaunce as you terme it by fasting bread and water by dyuing vpon the earth by whypping your selfe with a discipline of whypcords or chaynes of wyar or with pynnes of siluer taking vpon you by these meanes to redéeme your owne sinnes and the sinnes of others also And so consequently entruding your selfe into the Office of Christ which is to be the onelie mediatour betwixt God and man and the onely propitiator to obtaine mercy for the sinnes of the world If you had considered these words of Ieremie aright and as you shoulde haue doone applying them to your selfe as I hope nowe you wyll doo then you would haue cryed with Ephraim as I hope you will nowe crye Turne me and I shalbe turned for thou art the Lord my God And when the Lord shall turne you as I hope he will at the last turne you so that you shall from the bottome of your harte repent that euer you left the highe way of righteousnes to walke in these by wayes of wickednes you will not as you terme it do penaunce in whypping your selfe with your discipline as you call your whip wherwith you haue giuē your self so many hundred lasshes but you will submit your selfe vnder the mightie and mercifull hand of our heauenlie father to be chastined at his hande according to his good pleasure that by his fatherly corrections you may be brought to sée the greatnes of your owne folly wherein you haue walked And so with Ephraim strike your selfe on the thigh and say I am confounded and ashamed I haue borne the rebuke of my youth And then vndoubtedly the Lord wil say of you as he did of Ephraim Is not Samuel a sonne that I make greate account of Is he not a ladde in whom I am delighted Sith I haue spoken of him I wyll still remember him And
S. Iohn saith in the same Epistle Cap. 4. Hée doth there teache you howe to knowe Antichrist and so consequently Antichristians Omnis spiritus qui soluit Iesum ex Deo non est hic est Antichristus de quo audistis quoniam venit iam nunc in mundo est Euery spirite that loseth or dissolueth Jesus or the Sauiour for so dooth the name Jesus signify is not of God and the same is Antechrist of whom you haue heard that he commeth and he is euen nowe in the worlde Who be they that may be sayd to lose or dissolue Jesus which is the Sauiour but they which doo as you doo That is asscribe one part of your saluation to Jesus Christ and another to your owne workes and merites If you can find any better interpretation of this place let vs at your leasure sée it If not leaue your dissoluing of Jesus and ioyne with vs in ascribing your whole saluation to the mediation of Jesus Christ as we doo But perhaps you wyll héere ●lée from your olde allowed translation and for an aduantage take holde of the Gréeke text which is thus Euery spirite that denyeth or doth not confesse that Jesus is come in the flesh is not of God c. But what can that helpe your cause Jesus Christe came in the flesh that he might treade the wine presse of Gods wrath alone and not to haue any one to helpe him Esay 63. Hee came in the flesh that he might be wounded for our iniquities broken for our great and wicked sinnes that the correction wherby we might be reconciled myght fall vpon him that we might bée made whole by the brwsing of his stripes Esay 53. Agayne S. Paule 1. Tim 1. Thys is a true saying and méete to be receiued of all men that Christ Jesus came into this world to saue sinners And in Math. 1. Hée shall saue his people from their sinnes And in S. Iohns Gospell 1. Beholde him that taketh away the sinnes of the worlde By all these places it is plaine that whosoeuer ascribeth any parte of our saluation to any other then to Christ Jesus alone denyeth him to bée come in the flesh and is of that Antichrist that S. Iohn speaketh of 1. Epistle 4. You are therefore Antichristians and we are for good cause come from you because we were not Antichristians and therefore not of you We are returned to that Romish Catholicke Church that was in Johns time from whom you came out because you were not of them And we doo now beléeue as they beléeued then They beléeued then that there is but one God that hath made all creatures and him they glorifyed in the vse of hys creatures and they gaue thankes to hym alone for those creatures and studyed to serue him onely in spyrite and and with spiritual seruice fléeing from the example of the Heathen Nations that presumed to counterfayte his maiestie by Images Rom. 1. And so doo wée They beléeued and confessed that all men are sinners and that man can not iustify himselfe before God because no man can so kéepe the Lawe but that his own conscience shall condemne him as a transgressor therefore they dyd cleaue to the mercy of God and so doo we They beléeued that they were iustified that is discharged of their sinnes fréely by fayth wythout the déedes of the Law and yet they thought themselues bound to doo all that God had and should make them able to doo in obseruing and fulfilling the Law and so doo we Rom. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. They beléeued that God making choyse of them had in mercy made them his owne children by adoption inheritours of his kingdome and heyres annexed with his onely begotten sonne Christ Jesus and héere of they were assured by the spirit of Christ which was gyuen to them and cried in their harts Abba Pater Father Father and so doo we They beléeued that this election and choyse was made in the fore knowledge and purpose of GOD before them selues were and so consequently before they eyther had or coulde doo good or euill and so doo we Rom. 9. They beléeued that as they were by frée mercy of God adopted predestinated called iustified and acquitted of their sinnes and in Gods predestination glorifyed and made like to the Image of his onely begotten sonne Christ Jesus Rom. 8. So their duety was to be carefull to leade a righteous life before men and not be bolde to commit sinne because God had in mercy discharged them of sin but to liue in awe and a reuerent childlike feare of his iustice as they that would shewe themselues continually thankfull for his mercy in making their owne bodies a Sacrifice to God lyuing holy and acceptable vnto God as theyr reasonable seruing of God Rom. 10. 11. 12. And euen so doo wée They beléeued that theyr duety was to submytte themselues to all such as God had sette ouer them in authoritye and to obey them not onelie for feare of punishment but for conscience sake also knowing that whosoeuer resisteth power resisteth the ordinaunce of GOD and doth purchase to himselfe damnation And they beléeued that their duety was to giue euery man his owne and to vse louing behauiour towards all men knowing that loue is the fulfilling of the Lawe And that béeing baptised they had put vpon themselues Christ and ought to walke and continue their liues in honesty not making prouision for the fleshe to satisfy the lustes thereof Rom. 13. and euen so doo we They beléeued that although God had gyuen them liberty in the vse of al his creatures yet their duety was to haue a continuall regarde to the infirmitie of their brethren●● and not to vse any of those creatures to the offence of any of them Rom. 14. 15. and euen so doo we They beléeued that they together with all other Christians els where in any part of the worlde were fellowe members of one bodye in Christ and vnder Christ alone acknowledging no vniuersal heade of that body but onely Christ Jesus alone Rom. 12. And euen so doo we Thus you may sée that we are not departed from the Catholicke Romaine Church which was in the time of S. Iohn but from you that departed from them more then 1000. yéeres before this day You put many of Gods creatures in the place of God in reposing trust in them in calling vpon them and crauing helpe at theyr handes in rendring thankes vnto them in honouring them in and by their Images in seruing thē and in consecrating daies Temples and Altars to their honour You presume vppon your owne power as they that are able either to fulfill the Law or els hauing broken the Lawe to satisfie to God for your sinne in breaking the Lawe and to that end you fast from flesh you goe and lye woolwarde you rise at midnight you sing mattins and masses you whyp your selues with your disciplines or whyps not following therein any commaundement of God