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A88101	A discourse of disputations chiefly concerning matters of religion, with animadversions on two printed books, (mentioned in the contents following next after the epistles:) the latter whereof, at the request of Dr. John Bryan, (for censure and advice) being seriously perused; the author of it, John Onley, is thereupon convinced of error, slander, and of arrogant, uncivill, and unchristian miscarriage, not onely towards him, but all the reformed churches of the world, out of the way of his most affected singularity. By John Ley, rector of the church of Solyhull in Warwicksh. Whereto is added a consolatory letter to Dr. Bryan, &c. upon the death of his worthily well-beloved and much bewailed son Mr. Nathaniel Bryan: which immediately followeth after the discourse of disputations.	Ley, John, 1583-1662.	1658 (1658)	Wing L1877; Thomason E938_1; Thomason E938_2; ESTC R205182	106,562	123

accusation of moving sedition among all the Iewes throughout the world Act ●q 5. he saith v. 12. that his accusers neither found him in the Temple disputing with any man nor raising up the people neither in the Synagogues nor in the City implying that disputation did dispose men to popular disturbance and with reference to the affinity betwixt the one and the other the Catholick meeting in a lesse number then the Donatists for a publick dispute made this advantage of the difference viz. That if any tumults should arise the disorder could not in reason be imputed unto them who were fewer but to their adversaries that in number exceeded them Pauciores catholici q●●m Donatisl●e ●e si tumultus esset minori numero non impataretur August Operts breviculi collat Praefat Tom. 7. part 1. p. 686. Though sometimes there is more danger of commotion from a few turbulent Spirits on the one side then of a multitude of sober minded Citizens on the other whereof you had evidence enough at your City Coventry when those who came as abetters to Mr. Knowles and Mr. K●ff●ns contestation against you and your brother Dr. Grewe behaved themselves so rudely that the Committee residing there thought it necessary to forbid your dispu●tes and the City-Magistrates denyed the use of their Town-Hall for that purpose though they had promised it before their coming when there appeared no such perill of breach of the publick Peace as after their coming they soon perceived How it came to passe that notwithstanding the declared unwillingnesse of the Committee and Magistrates of the City against the publick dispute you fitted them with a publick place and polemical entertainment who came so far out of their way as from London to Coventry to quarrell with you I shall shew in a more convenient place And to go on with observations of like sort I very well remember that in London when Sir Iohn Gayor was Lord Major there was a disputation betwixt Mr. William Ienkins then Preacher at Christ-Church and Mr. Benjamin Cox in Mr. I. his house at which I was present being invited by Mr. I. And at the end of that dispute there was another resolved on betwixt Mr. Iames Cranford and the same Mr. Cox and that within a few dayes after but before the time concluded on I had occasion to bring his Lordship a lift of such Ministers as I thought fit to be Preachers at Pauls as he had requested me to do and then I telling him the discourse we had inducing me to it the dispute between Mr. I. and Mr. Cox and that I was present at it and that another was intended and concluded betwixt Mr. Cranford and Mr. Cox within a while after he replyed that he would have suffered neither of them if he had had timely advertisement of them both but since the one was past and could not be recalled he would send his warrant to prevent the other and that it might be certainly and speedily done he put me upon it to draw up a form of prohibition of it which I did whereupon the parties served with it desisted from their purpose There was another disputation more publickly bespoken and as I have heard agreed upon to be betwixt your two Cov. Antagonists and Mr. Calumy at his Church in Alderman-bury but such animosities of Spirit and symptomes of tumult began to stir and to gather near the time and place of the publick meeting that there was great cause to fear that how ever it fared with the truth the common peace would be much endangered if that concourse were not hindred and therefore by the civil Magistrates it was forbidden and as in duty it was requisite accordingly forborn And I doubt not of Religious Civil Magistrates though their proper office serve principally for the preservation of peace among the common people but some of them have the lesse liking of disputes in Religion because they fear it must be prophaned by polemicall contestations of such as are l Hoc morbi fere innatum est hominum ingeiis ut cedere nesciant Erasm ubi suprà too stout to stoop to the truth and so m Est hoc pertinaciae plerisque mortalium ingeniis insitumut quod semel quocunque casu pronunciaverint nunquam ●u●●… desinant etiamsi compererint perperä pronunciasse Ibid. p. ult pertinacious in their opinions as not to recede from what they have pronounced nay though they see their errour and that they have pronounced amisse and this Erasmus observeth as a disease and infirmity naturally incident to most men And as the Magistrates are publick persons if withall they be religious they cannot think it fit the common interest in sacred and Catholick truths of doctrine and practise should be permitted to private persons to tosse to and fro as a Ball betwixt two Rackets in wrangling altercation This moved the Emperour Marcianus in ratification of the Conncel of Chalcedon n Ne cui amplius liceret publicè de fide differere Baron Annal an 452. num 1. Tom. p. 187. to decree that none should publickly dispute of matters of Faith o Clericus fuerit qui c. consortio clericorum mov●a●ur fi militia praectnctus sit cingulo spoliabitur caeteri sanct issima urbe pellantur Baron Ibid. num 4. col 688. and he laid a penalty on such as presumed to act contrary to what he had decreed as for Clerks to be put out of the number of the Clergy for a Souldier that his helt and sword shall be taken from him for Citizens to be expelled the City and for others their contumacy was to be p Competentibus suppliciis subjugandi Ibid. subdurd with other competent purishments There are two great opposites to each other too opposite to all disputations of Religion the Turke and the Pope who though their Pride make them ambitious of the highest place the head their wickednesse makes them worthy of the lowest the taile Deut. 28.44 1. First for the Turk Mahomet that famous impostor and false Prophet the founder of that impious and impure Sect of the Mahametans not onely forbids all disputes about the Religion of his Bible rather Babell the Alcoran but instructs his deluded disciples how to answer them who are disposed to dispute q Tecum disputare volentibus dic Deum so●●… omnes tuo actus agnoscere qui die postremo lites omnes contrarietates discutiet Alcaroni c. 32. Say unto them saith he God alone knowes all thy acts and at the last day will discusse all controversies and contrarieties Again r Homines incredulos taliter alloquere ego quidem legem vestram minime sequor nec vos meam igitur mihi mea maneat vobisque vestra Ibid. c. 109. to incredulous men say thus I follow not your Law nor you mine therefore let me alone with that which is mine and I will let you alone with yours 2. For the ſ Nobis nullum fas est

and agree with them in that which is truely popish and Antichristian as Error Pride Schisme Censoriousness Malice Slander sophistical Subtilty as their writings and doings do declare especially Mr. J. O. in his dealing with Doctor Brian in his unfaithful publication of the disputation at Kenelmworth and in his other bitter and insolent Book of Examination afterward The second proof of his partiality is this when Doctor Brian hath proved our Churches of England to be true Churches of Christ by convincing arguments Nam quae non prosunt singula juncta valent Disp p. 6. convincing if taken together though all of them be not of equal evidence and vigour● all that avails nothing towards Mr. O. his satisfaction unless he prove an impertinency to the Question viz. That they were true Churches from their very foundation that is as he explaineth himself more fully elsewhere that all the parishes of this Nation in their first division into Parishes were visible Saints and that those Churches gathered by preaching onely 500. Exam. of Dr. Br. Reply p. 30 37. Ibid. p. 24. Disp p. 5. years before Augustine the Monk were such as our Parishes now are or that they are such now as they were then and this he maketh the life of the Doctors cause and if he prove not this saith he he doth nothing whereas it is neither the life nor limb of his cause no neither hair nor nail of it neither a skirt nor an hem but indeed meet nothing to the purpose And therefore the Doctor did justly and discreetly decline it as impertinent saying it is our Churches present not their primitive state which I undertake to vindicate and this upon very good reason For First The Churches whose primitive constitution was the best and nearest to that of the Apostler both in time matter and form as that of Jerusalem Rome Antioch and the Churches of Asia long since are fallen from the faith and have unchurched themselves by their Apostasie Secondly It is but a Jesuitical evasion from the pertinency and life of the cause of a true Christian Church to wave the present qualifications and notes of it and to put all the weight and stress of the trial upon the Historical report of precedent times as while we prove our Church to be a true Church and our Faith a true Faith by the Scriptures as Doctor Featley d●d against Fisher the Jesuite that would be taken for no good proof with him unless he deduced the visibility of the Protestant Professors through all ages from the Apostles to Luthers time and he professed he would not proceed in the dispute unless that were first done as is observed before Thirdly If it were pertinent and were also proved by Chronological History it would serve but to make up a meer Humane and Historical Faith which is not effectual to Salvation and the doubt of it where it is required and not proved as it is no easie matter to do may raise perplexing doubts and fears of salvation in weak though well-minded Christians as causing suspicious conceits of their being in a true Church out of which as out of Noahs Ark the common saying is none are saved Yet this unsound and groundless assertion of his which hath neither proof of Scripture Reason or of any humane Author of credit or account be not onely putteth into the very front of his Examination frontinulla fides but repeateth it over and over both in the Disputation and Examination to puzzle the simple Hearers of the one and Readers of both Disp p. 1 6 7 12. Exam. p. 11 12 13 24 27 28 30 37. and to make them believe that there was somewhat in it which made the Doctor afraid to meddle with it whereas it was a meer extravagancy from the question in hand which to such as are intelligent shews Mr. O. to be a Jesuitical shifter and that he may appear more and worse then a Jesuite he taketh upon him to be a Pope peremptorily defining tanquam ex Cathedra Pestilentiae not only that our Churches have never been true Churches from the foundation of them but that it is not possible for them to be made true by reformation Thus in the Title page of his Examination wherein his ignorance confidence and imprudence are all of them superlative and worthy of none other answer then a scornful silence Yet the other part of his partiality which now I am to prove will implicitly at least confute it fully for he that is so injurious as to impose upon the Doctor such an impertinency as the life of his cause and to regard none of his proofs though never so pregnant for the truth of our Churches is so gracious to his own side as to resolve that a true Church may be constituted thus A company of true Believers assembled in the Name of Christ willing to follow him in the way of his ordinances revealed in his word and yet seeing their want of a personal succession and yet knowing it their duty and the will of Christ it should be performed did appoint one that was unbaptized to reassume and set afoot this ordinance of Christ And if so how partial is Mr. O. who makes it impossible for our Churches to be made true by any reformation for how easie a matter is it for Churches to be reformed after that manner The third partiality of Mr. O. appeareth in his Epistle to his Schismatical Sister-Churches where he taketh upon him to make a long Paraphrase on the words of Ananias to Saul Acts 22.18 but when Doctor Brian makes but a short one on the words of Peter Acts 2.39 The promise is made to you and to your Children saying if the promise be made to believers and their children the command must reach not only to them but to their children as running thus be baptized you and your children for the promise is made to you and to your children To this Mr. O. in a jeering manner replye●● As if Peter Were not wise enough to express his own meaning to direct us who should be or the grounds upon which they should be baptized without your priestly prudence surely might you have come to the honour or been worthy to have been a Dictator to Peter you would have taught him to have said some what from whence Infants right of Baptism might have been proved With this partiality appeareth a spice of his insolency formerly observed But if Doctor B●ian had been worthy and had taken upon him to play the Dictator he had acted that part a great deal better by deducing Infants Baptisme from the words of Peter then Mr. O. did dictating such an Aphorism out of his own fancy concerning necessary recourse to the primitive constitution of a Church to prove it to be a true Church at present which we have now examined and refuted The fourth partiality I shall mention is this he will not be turned over by Dr. Brian to Mr. Hollingworth for satisfaction