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A30892 The anarchy of the Ranters and other libertines, the hierarchy of the Romanists, and other pretended churches, equally refused and refuted in a two-fold apology for the church and people of God called in derision Quakers : wherein they are vindicated from those that accuse them of disorder and confusion on the one hand, and from such as calumniate them with tyranny and imposition on the other ... / by Robert Barclay. Barclay, Robert, 1648-1690. 1676 (1676) Wing B718; ESTC R10444 60,765 91

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Corporal Pain even though such be perswaded and offer to make appear that the Decisions they refuse are contrary to the Scriptures And Lastly As among the Papists none though otherwise confessed to be a Member of the Church both knowing and sober except commissionate in some of the Respects above declared can be admitted to sit vote and give his Judgment Any that will be at the Pains to apply this to the Foundation I before laid of the Infallibility of Judgment in that we may account only to be truly called the Church of Christ will easily see the great Difference betwixt us which I shall sum up in these particulars First Do we exclude any Member of the Church of Christ that may be truly accounted so to tell his Judgment Secondly Do we say man ought to be persecuted in his Outwards for his disassent in Spirituals Thirdly Do we plead that decision is to pass conclusive because of the plurality of Votes And much more which the Reader may observe from what is already mentioned which that it may be all more obvious at one view will appear somewhat clearly by this following Figure which will give the Reader an Opportunity to recollect what lay heretofore more scattered The ROMANISTS say That there is an Infallibility in the Church which Infallibility is whenas the Pope calls a General Council of Bishops c. that whatsoever they conclude and agree upon must needs be the infallible Judgment of the Spirit of God because of the Promise of Christ That he would never suffer the Gates of Hell to prevail against his Church and that the Pope and Council made up of certain of the Clergy having one Outward Succession and being lawfully ordained according to the Canons are that Church to which that Promise is made however wicked or depraved they be yet this Infallible Judgment follows them as being necessarily annexed to their Office in which the Authority still stands in its full Strength and Vigour so that there lies an Obligation upon the whole Body of the Church to obey their Decrees and such as do not are not only certainly damned for their disobedience but that it is the Duty of the Civil Magistrate to punish such by Death Banishment or Imprisonment c. in Case they refuse The generality of PROTESTANTS say That though all Synods and Councils may err yet such Assemblies are needful for the Edification of the Church that such do consist of a Convocation of the Clergy with some few Laicks particularly chosen that all others except those so elected have not any Right to vote or give Judgment that such an Assembly so constitute may ministerially determine Controversies of Faith Cases of Conscience Matters of Worship and authoritatively determine the same the Decision is to be by Plurality of Votes without any necessary Respect to the inward Holiness or Regeneration of the Persons if so be they be outwardly called ordained and invested in such a Place and Capacity as gives them an Authority to be Members of such an Assembly what they thus decide as they judge according to the Scripture ought to be received with Reverence and submitted to and those that do not to be punished by the Civil Magistrate by Death Banishment or Imprisonment though they declare and be ready to evidence that it is because they are not agreeable to the Scripture they refuse such Decrees The QUAKERS say That whereas none truly ought nor can be accounted the Church of Christ but such as are in a measure sanctified or sanctifying by the Grace of God and led by his Spirit nor yet any made Officers in the Church but by the Grace of God and inward Revelation of his Spirit not by outward Ordination or Succession from which none is to be excluded if so called whether Married or a Tradesman or a Servant if so be in such a Church there should arise any Difference there will be an infallible Judgment from the Spirit of God which may be in a General Assembly yet not limited to it as excluding others and may prove the Judgment of the Plurality yet not to be decided thereby as if the Infallibility were placed there excluding the fewer in which a Meeting or Assembly upon such an Account there is no Limitation to be of Persons particularly chosen but that all that in a true Sense may be reckoned of the Church as being sober and weighty may be present and give their Judgment and that the Infallible Judgment of Truth which cannot be wanting in such a Church whether it be given through one or more ought to be submitted to not because such Persons give it but because the Spirit leads so to do which every one coming to in themselves will willingly and naturally assent to and if any through Disobedience or Unclearness do not all that the Church ought to do is to deny them her spiritual Fellowship in case the nature of their Disobedience be of that Consequence as may deserve such a Censure But by no means for Matter of Conscience to Molest Trouble or Persecute any in their Outwards Who will be at the Pains to compare these Three seriously together I am hopeful will need no further Argument to prove the Difference But if any will further object What if it fall out de facto that the Teachers Elders or Plurality do decide and from thence will say this is like the Church of Rome and other false Churches it will be hard to prove that to be an infallible Mark of a Wrong Judgment as we have not said it is of a Right And indeed to conclude it were so would necessarily condemn the Church in the Apostles dayes where we see the Teachers and Elders and so far as we can observe the greater number did agree to the Decision Acts 1. 15. for if the thing be right and according to Truth it is so much the better that the Elders and greater Number do agree to it and if wrong their affirming of it will not make it right And truly a Gathering where the Elders and greater Number are always or most frequently wrong and the younger and lesser Number right is such as we cannot suppose the true Church of Christ to be and if any will plead that there is now no infallible Judgment to be expected from the Spirit of God in the Church it no doubt will leave the Dissenters as much in the Mist and at as great a loss as those they dissent from both being no better then blind men hitting at random which will turn Christanity into Sceptism and though we may acknowledge that this Uncertainty prevails in the generality of those called Churches yet we do firmly believe for the Reasons above declared and that for many more that might be given That the true Church of Christ has a more solid stable Foundation and being never separated from Christ her Head walks in a more Certaiu steady and Unerring Path. THE CONCLUSION THE Substance then
13. 7. Remember them which have the Rule over you who have spoken unto you the Word of God whose Faith follow considering the End of their Conversation 17. Obey them that have the Rule over you and submit your selves for they watch for your Souls as they that must give Account that they may do it with Joy and not with Grief for that is unprofitable for you Jude 8. Likewise also these filthy Dreamers defile the Flesh despise Dominion and speak Evil of Dignities I might at length enlarge if needful upon these Passages any of which is sufficient to prove the Matter in Hand but that what is said may satisfie such as are not wilfully blind and obstinate for there can be nothing more plain from these Testimonies then that the Ancient Apostles Primitive Christians practised Order and Government in the Church that some did appoint and ordain certain Things condemn and approve certain Practices as well as Doctrines by the Spirit of God that there lay an Obligation in Point of Duty upon others to obey and submit that this was no Encroachment nor-Imposition upon their Christian-Liberty nor any Wayes contradictory to their being inwardly and immediately led by the Spirit of God in their Hearts and lastly that such as are in the true Feeling and Sense will find it their Places to obey and be one with the Church of Christ in such like Cases and that it 's such as have lost their Sense and Feeling of the Life of the Body that dissent and are disobedient under the false Prentence of Liberty so that thus is sufficiently proven what I undertook in this Place Thirdly I judge there will need no great Arguments to prove the People of God may do well to exercise the like Government upon the very like Occasion for even Reason may teach us that what proved good wholsom Cures to the Distemper of the Church in former Ages will not now the very like Distempers falling in prove hurtful and poysonable especially if we have the Testimony of the same Spirit in our Hearts not only allowing us but commanding us so to do It is manifest though we are sorry for it that the same Occasions now fall in we find that there are that have eaten and drunken with us at the Table of the Lord and have been Sharers of the same spiritual Joy and Consolation that afterwards fall away we find to our great Grief that some walk disorderly and some are puffed up and strive to sow Division labouring to stumble the weak and to cause Offences in the Church of Christ What then is more suitable and more christian then to follow the Foot-steps of the Flock and to labour and travail for the good of the Church and for the removing all that is hurtful even as the holy Apostles who walked with Jesus did before us If there be such as walk disorderly now must not they be admonished rebuked and withdrawn from as well as of old or is such to be the Condition of the Church in these latter Times that all Iniquity must go unreproved Must it be Heresie or Oppression to watch over one another in Love to take Care for the Poor to see that there be no corrupt no defiled Members of the Body and carefully and christianly deal with them for restoring them if possible and for withdrawing from them if incureable I am perswaded that there are none that look upon the Commands of Christ and his Apostles the Practice and Experience of the primitive Church and Saints as a sufficient President to authorize a Practice now that will deny the Lawfulness or Usefulness hereof but must needs acknowledge the Necessity of it But if it be objected as some have done Do not you deny that the Scripture is the adequate Rule of Faith and Manners and that the Commands or Practices of the Scripture are not a sufficient Warrant for you now to do any thing without you be again authorized and led unto it by the same Spirit and upon that Score do you not forbear some things both practised and commanded by the primitive Church and Saints Well I hope I have not any thing weakned this Objection but presented it in its full Vigour and Strength to which I shall clearly and distinctly answer thus First Seasons and Times do not alter the Nature and Substance of Things in themselves though it may cause Things to alter as to the Usefulness or not Usefulness of them Secondly Things commanded and practised at certain times and seasons fall of themselves whenas the Cause and Ground for which they were commanded is removed as there is no need now for the Decision about Circumcision seeing there are none contend for it neither as to the Orders concerning Things offered to Idols seeing there is now no such Occasion yet who will say that the Command enjoyn'd in the same Place Acts 15. 20. To abstain from Fornication is now made void seeing there is daily need for its standing in Force because it yet remains as a Temptation man is incident to We confess indeed we are against such as from the bare Letter of the Scripture though if it were seasonable now to debate it we find but few to deal with whose Practises are so exactly squared seek to uphold Customs Forms or Shaddows when the Use for which they were appointed is removed or the Substance it self known and witnessed as we have sufficiently elsewhere answered our Opposers in the Case of Water-Baptism and Bread and Wine c. so that the Objection as to that doth not hold and the Difference is very wide in respect of such Things the very Nature and Substance of which can never be dispensed with by the People of God so long as they are in this World yea without which they could not be his People for the Doctrines and fundamental Principles of the Christian Faith we own and believe originally and principally because they are the Truths of God whereunto the Spirit of God in our Hearts hath constrained our Understandings to obey and submit In the second Place we are greatly confirmed strengthned and comforted in the joint Testimony of our Brethren the Apostles and Disciples of Christ who by the Revelation of the same Spirit in the Dayes of old believed and have left upon record the same Truths so we having the same Spirit of Faith according as it is written I believed and therefore have I spoken we also believe and therefore we speak and we deny not but some that from the Letter have had the Notion of these Things have thereby in the Mercy of God received Occasion to have them revealed in the Life for we freely acknowledge though often calumniated to the contrary that whatsoever Things were written aforetime were written for our learning that we through Patience and Comfort of the Scriptures may have Hope So then I hope if the Spirit of God lead me now unto that which is good profitable yea and