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A11498 D. Sarauia. 1. Of the diuerse degrees of the ministers of the gospell. 2. Of the honor vvhich is due vnto the priestes and prelates of the church. 3. Of sacrilege, and the punishment thereof. The particular contents of the afore saide Treatises to be seene in the next pages; De diversis ministrorum evangelii gradibus. English Saravia, Adrien, 1530-1612. 1591 (1591) STC 21749; ESTC S107871 200,148 283

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to excuse the able auditory no excuse to dispence with an expence of duty For that communication of their goods is not so much to releeue the others necessity as to approoue their own duty The poore Christian brother is honoured for his want but the holy Minister of God for the worthines of his office Besides this the good will of the Magistrate is variable who being once offended with the Ministers whether right or wrong they shall be sure to leape short of their stipends But whensoeuer the cōmon treasurie shal shrink as by many meanes it may be brought to a low eb then alack pore Ministers needs must your state be most miserable The people not accustomed to passe any thing to their Pastors wil think it perteines nothing to them wheather they sincke or swim and most men are of that boorish nature as that they wil rather leaue the Pastor destitute then they wil seem to contribute and so hee being forsaken of his flocke of force must needs forsake his flocke as at this day it is come to passe in many places of Holland But how wretched the estate of the Ministery is in that countrey by reason of the basenes of their stipends and the badnes of their paiments they knowe best that smart for it when as poore soules they are constrained to trudge no small iorneis to begge their wages of their good maisters of whome many times they beeing intertained with disdaine are sent away with a mischief and bring nothing home with them but night besides the wearines of their lims the losse of their time the expence of their money and anguishe of their relenting soules To these miseries we may adde this also that the Magistrate accustomed to pay the Ministers their wages out of the common treasury beginneth to take them for ciuill officers and towne-seruants so that base men will not sticke some-times after they are once out of office as Curriers Tinkers Carpenters Pedlers and such like to insult ouer their Pastors with a villanous mind and in a shamelesse maner and to say What sir-priests you are our seruants we are your good maisters we pay you wages I would be ashamed so God mee helpe so disdainefully to shake vp the veriest page or basest drudge in my Lordes kitchin and as soone I should be called to mine answere for it I remember in a solemne banquet made at Gaunt to the Prince of Orange it was my hap to sit ouer against a cople of iolly Burgo-maisters who when they once began to be somwhat warme in their liquor and were now come from neuer a word to neuer a wise word at last they spied me busie in talke with another and thinking I marked not what they said they began to speake their pleasure and by chance I ouer heard thus much of their good talk We must take heed said they least these busie Ministers becom more combersome vnto vs then were euer our corne-fed Papists we must therfore keepe them vnder least they grow too lustie creep too far in fauor with the people and so become a terrour to the Magistrates but especially we must looke to this that their wages be not too great Hee that bringeth vp his seruant delicately at length shall find him maister-full These men a Gods name would seeme the patrons and pillers of Christ his Church but they bee it spoken without any preiudice to any other did afterwards bewray the venome they fostered in their harts when not long after they both became traytors to God and their country Whether Holland harbour any more such mates let them looke to it vnto whom it belongeth but the like effects giue a shrewd gesse of the like affects In the meane while wee see how this disdainefull dealing against Gods Ministers commeth of this because they are so bragge that they pay them their stipends being indeed no other thing then that which they haue before purloined frō the church crambd into their guiltie coffers Wherefore let no man wonder if I like but a little of this manner honoring of the Ministerie for smal is the honor that is braued with contumely And therefore in the name of God let that manner of honoring Gods Ministers bee continued in the Church which was appointed by the better wisedome of the Lord aswell in the olde as in the new Testament I say let it be continued in that manner as it was well conceiued and worthily receiued by the ancient Fathers Neither let the prerogatiue of our owne conceits any longer deceiue vs as if we were the onely men that could deuise a better Let abuses bee corrected but so that the lawful vse be either retained or restored Nor let the iniquitie of those men which haue defiled thinges sacred and prophane so farre preuaile with vs that wee should therefore confound things secular and sacred or that wee should take away that distinction in things which nature reason and religion hath set downe The third Booke Of Sacrilege and the punishment thereof Chap. I. That donations are made firme to Churches by the same lawes by virtue whereof other Cittizens hold their possessions THE studie and bountie of our forefathers in inriching the Church are sufficiently knowne in whome it may seeme no small wonder that euerie where alwayes and at all seasons they should so farre mistake the matter that is so childishly to deale in this matter and that their posteritie should nowe at the last see more and conceiue better then they who in the same cause take a cleane contrary course to them that without any commaund of God any example of former age No doubt as to stand vpon the examples of our Fathers in their offences is foolish and vnreasonable so rashly to condemne the same where iustly they cannot bee conuinced is vtterly godlesse and irreligious True it is wee are all prone to euill Fathers and Fathers children but to whether of these may wee bee more easely perswaded iudge you to giue of our owne or to take away other mens Our Elders gaue which no man can denie of no euill mind our vpstarts take away that our Elders gaue with what mind the thing it selfe doth shew Our Fathers gaue according to law our nouices take away contrarie to law Wherfore seeing the indowments made to the Church haue their strength and assurance from the very same lawes by the which other Citizens possesse their goods is there any man that would not iudge it a tyrannous act if any Mastrate shewing no cause should thrust any subiect out of his possessions Wherfore the Churchmen ought to haue bene first heard and iust cause should haue beene brought in against them why they were not any longer to bee suffered to enioy the possessions of the Church in a Christian common-wealth They also ought to haue bene heard which were to succeed the Masse-Priestes in pastorall charge whome it chiefly did concerne what was to be done with those goods But what need all
were the churches of olde planted watered and increased It is a thing better knowen and commended then that I need to repeat it or themselues to repent it Notwithstanding there be some in these daies which take vp but to shrewdly this sentence of ours as if it were some Anabaptisticall fancie when it is said that the Church hath at this day if not Apostles yet Apostolique Ministers but as for the fancie if Anabaptisticall let themselues looke to that least they take themselues by the nose For my part I would but know whether the gospel yet at this day now after a 1500. yeares be come to the eares of all Nations In the meane time let them consider howe many nations whom the Apostles neuer saw by the paines and preaching of godlie Pastors who in this labour succeeded the Apostles haue receiued the Lord Christ I will not nowe stand to tell them onely this I conclude that the commaund and commission of preaching the Gospell standeth yet in his ful strength and force in the church of God and shuld so long as there is any nation that knoweth not the Lord. That at this day there is none sent by the churches of Christ to the nations which haue not knowen Christ it is not long of the lacke of sufficient power to send but of sufficient persons to be sent or at least wise of a better zeal to aduāce the kingdom of Christ Indeed no man ought to tempt the Lord Did not himselfe forbid his Apostles to stir one foot out of Ierusalem to discharge their duty before they had receiued the holy Ghost So requisite is it that a man bee throughly furnished for so great an enterprise before he vndertake it And therefore because the iudgement of one man may be ouer-weening and deceiued especially if he may be his owne iudge it is requisite that the authoritie of the church in that case be expected But here is required an Authority Apostolique the which if the Church haue not although it haue fit men neither hath it the power to send For who can giue that to another which hee hath not himselfe Whosoeuer therefore is sent whether you please to call him an Apostle or an Euangelist or a Bishop hee hath need of the like and no lesse power then Timothy and Titus had in the like and no lesse charge This therefore is the authoritie which is assigned to the church by the Keies the which the Lord our Sauiour gaue not so much to Peter and his collegiats as to the Church it selfe so that of right it maye doe that at this daye which it could of old namely wher occasion serueth to giue in commission vnto sufficient men the publishing of the Gospell with Authoritie Apostolique That the Apostolike authoritie is as necessarie for the conseruing and confirming as for the founding and first planting of Churches Chap. XVIII BVt for as much as the power Apostolike is no lesse needfull and necessarie for the conseruing and confirming as for the planting and first placing of churches we must also haue a special regard to that For by reason as it is thought of Bishops and Arch-bishops Primats and Metropolitanes which haue succeeded the Apostles and the Euangelists there is now some controuersie moued for that And verely I haue oftentimes wondered with my selfe what it is that should make anie learned or religious man thinke that the office of Apostles and Euangelistes is ceased in the Church and that at this day there are none possessed of any authoritie Apostolike to whom the other Elders ought to supply in the gouernance of the Church and I wonder the more that there bee any that should thinke the power Apostolike a thing so extraordinarie as if it were not possible that it should be deuolued to their posteritie Indeed the Church hath not continued those names amongst vs but is that sufficient to prooue that with those titles the authority also is surceased First if a man would but well marke the latter daies of the Apostles of Paule especially he should find that the Apostolike gouernment could not possibly end with the Apostles For by those things the sacred Scripture doth testifie of Paule wee may iudge of the rest who no doubt were no lesse carefull for the good of the Church euen to their last gaspe wheresoeuer it pleased God to translate them out of this life But the second Epistle of S. Paul to Timothie indited about the last of his daies doth witnesse abundantly what an vniuersall care hee had euen then of the Churches There hee maketh mention of his fellow-labourers whereof some he had sent to goe vnto diuers Churches and some hee sent for to come vnto himselfe that beeing now readie to flit out of this life he might giue them his last charge of all things concerning the welfare of the Church and the furnishing of that building himselfe had left vnfinished This his last will and Testament hee left with them The which had beene to no purpose had the power Apostolike died with him or had the authoritie of that their legacie beene compelled within the circuit of euery particular parish For they all whom Paul there remembreth as Titus Marke Luke Crescens Tithicus and Timothie himselfe were associate with Paule in his Apostolike sea as vnto whose seuerall charge hee had demised many and sundry Churches The which if it were not free for them with that recreant Demas to cast vp and giue ouer while Paul yet liued how much lesse after he was dead Wherefore now they were made and remaine his heires as before they were his peeres of his Apostolike paines and praeheminence That the other Apostles had also their consorts and collegiats in their Apostolike charge vnto whom themselues discontinuing this life they demeaned the no lesse care of the Churches with the like authoritie there was neuer wise man that doubted of it And furthermore that their lawfull authoritie with the which they prosecuted and perseuered in the Lord his affaires could no more be extinguished with them then it was abolished with the Apostles so long as there was any church remaining But as they succeeded the Apostles so had they their successors vpon whom if themselues did not bestow the power they had receiued the Church did which is heire generall of the power Apostolike But goe to nowe let vs imagine if there can bee such a conceit that it is not so as I haue saide let vs suppose also for a while that the Apostles left all vnto Pastors and Elders of equall authoritie who had onely the charge of their seuerall Churches and their prouinces limited within the precincts of their owne onely parishes What then shall we say became of those Churches in the which the Apostles intercepted by death or they which with the Apostles did gouerne the Churches could not ordeine anie Pastors Did their death fal out so pat that euerie Church had their Pastors and Doctors and that none of them was left
manner is changed but the kinde remaineth ther is not the like order in circumstance but the same ordinance in substance of the office The chiefe parts of the Priests function were these to teach religion to interprete the law to gouerne the Church to administer the Sacraments to stande between God and the people to make sacrifice to purge sins All which parts albeit our Lord and Sauiour hath only wholly discharged and some of them also so peculiarly improued to himselfe as that they cannot be imparted with any mortall thing besides him selfe yet notwithstanding he hath made many of them of that nature as that without any disparagement to his person they might be left in common to others In deede no sinner can bee made a sufficient mediator between God and man Neyther can he which is not pure from the guilt of sinne him selfe expiat with bloud the sinnes of man or auert by death the wrath of God The auncient Priests bare the figure onely of those more then diuine functions but the thing it selfe was in Christ alone And therfore whosoeuer at this day shal challenge to himself the one of these committeth blasphemy against Christ But as the Lord did nothing in derogation of his heauenly dignity when he gaue power vnto all christians to offer spirituall sacrifice namely the sacrifice of praise and praier c. For al they which in a true faith worship God are made Kings and Priests euen so likewise without any prophanation of his peculiar Priesthood hath he committed the other parts thereof which I touched before namely the teaching of religion the expounding of the law the ministring of the Sacraments the gouerning of the Church and such like I say he hath graunted and demised these and such like parts of his diuine Priesthood to his Apostles Chuch ministers who in this respect may participat the honor of the old Priesthood without impiety may also be called Priests without gealosie The which name although in the first age of the Church we doe not read that it was giuen to the Ministers of the Church least happely the Ministers of the olde Synagogue the new Church might be confounded For as yet the old Priesthood remayned or the flesh memory thereof continued yet afterwards the Fathers did not amis when they renewed the same againe in themselues the Prophet Esay being their author the spirit of God their warrant who diuined long before that God should raise to him selfe Priests Leuits out of the Gentiles Neyther is there any daunger at all in the name at this day were it not for the sacrilege of the Bishop of Rome who hath set vp Altar against Altar Priesthood against Priesthood the sacrifice of the Masse against the sacrifice of Christ inuading by all meanes those partes of the Priesthood which are peculiar to Christ alone of which matter we are not to speake in many words at this time Briefly this we desire may be made knowen to all that we detest the impiety of the Romaine Antichrist for so much as pertaineth to this part of the Priesthood we acknowledge no other Priest but the Lord Iesus In the other parts which we haue noted wee hold that the Apostles other Pastors of the church haue lawfully vndertaken the dignity as of their legacy so of the Priesthood also Now then I ioyne more chosely with them for the issue of their whole argument answere That whatsoeuer in the leuiticall Priestood did fore-shadow the office of Christ is vtterly abolished by the bloudshed of Christ of the which no part may be vsurped by any mortall man Againe that the rites ceremonies outward pomp of the Priesthood as wel in the ornature of the body as the ordinaunce of tithes as they were then challēged are togither deceased by the same meanes but yet that honor which was due to thē in regard of the worthines of theyr holy ministery is by no means impaired perished much lesse The Priesthood of Aaron being abrogated the rights of that Priesthood after their seuerall manner are also abrogated and with them the ministery of the Church is translated from the Tribe of Leuy to the company of Apostles and their successors In whom seeing all things which merit any Honor are greater then they which were in the Leuiticall Priests doth it not necessarily follow that a christiā doth owe no lesse honor to his Pastor then the Iew did perform to his Priest I confesse the duty of tithes oblations after that manner and order they were offered vnder Moyses are ceased vnder Christ Not that christiā people should be lesse bounteous towardes their Pastors then were the Iewish nation towards their Priests but rather that the free people should exceede the seruile and that a christian should doe that of his owne accord which the Iew did by constraint For where as christians haue receyued of the Lord not onely the like graces but farre greater blessings then the Iewes and seeing the Ministery of them whom the Lord hath set ouer his church is in nothing inferior or lesse necessary then the Ministery of the law of force if not rather of duety there remaineth as great a necessity of due honor for this as for that at the least no lesse seeing that what soeuer was ceremonious in the olde oblations of tithes and offerings is so diminished as that what so euer was morall therein reteyneth his force still Had there been no proportion between both these Ministeries the necessary duties of them both the Scripture would neuer haue sayd that As they which minister about holy thinges eate of those thinges whicb are of the Temple and they which waite at the Altar are partakers with the Altar So the Lord hath ordained that they which preach the Gospell should liue of the Gospell That our Sauiour ordayned the Ministery of the Gospell with no ornature of outward beauty no magnificence of worldly statelines as he did of old the Mosaicall ministery it was not to this end that Christians should doe lesse Honor to theyr Pastors then did of old the Israelites but for that the worthines thereof is such that it needeth no outward ornaments The which notwithstāding if it may haue it is not magnified therin if it may not haue it is not diminished therefore But where the ministery of the Gospell is receyued in a triumph as it were of publique authority there al worldly goods ought to supply to the Honor of our Sauiour and the health of his seruants so that they may be denied where they are proffered and requested where they they are denied according as the cause the time the place the people doe require As for the seruants of Christ they ought to be ready for all assayes for honor and dishonor good report and euill report plenty and pouerty life and death for that they are to vse this world as not vsing it the fashion whereof passeth away God vnder
neede knowen to euery man and with what face can they of the familye goe doore by doore to gather things necessary verily their credite is indangered and theyr modesty But did you euer heare that the Ministers of the Church were brought to such an exigent as that of force they must gather their relief from dore to dore among their own people In deed there was such a custome in the time of Popery for mendicant Friers brought vp among them of a certayne superstition without any precedent president of the auncient Fathers But is there no other way to gather christian oblations but so and are they not eyther brought by the faithfull of theyr own voluntary or collected by some of the honest neighbours appointed for that purpose But of the other side by the certaine stipends which depend vppon the vncertaine pleasures of the Magistrates it is very badly prouided both for the necessity of the family and the modesty of the Ministers where either so small wages are allowed or their allowance so slenderly paied that the poor Pastors pittifull complayning for meere pouerty are constrained to giue ouer theyr trade and to forsake theyr Ministery Where the people are perswaded that they owe nothing to theyr Pastors and that it pertaineth to the Magistrate onely to prouide for the Ministers alâcke poore Pastors I am ashamed to report how both people and Magistrate beare themselues towards them But furthermore they dispute that in these stipends the Ministers can vse no deceite when it shal be sufficiently knowen how much they receiue when as otherwise a couetous Minister may pretend that eyther he receiueth lesse then he receiueth or not so much as sufficeth To this I aunswere that the oblations of the which we argue the case are not so secretly giuen or so closely kept but that it is commonly knowen how much they are and what the Minister receiueth But to what purpose is al this or to what end should al know how much the minister either receyueth or hath or who can prescribe a meane for that matter The Pastor layeth out as well as he taketh in must that also needs be knowen That which they adde of the coueteous Minister who may pretend that he receyueth lesse then either he receiueth or may well suffice it proceedeth of the same errour I haue knowen many Ministers in my time among whome there is not one whose wealth is not commonly knowen and what he ordinarily receyueth euery year so that there is no other means for them to lie here then there vnlesse you would lie for them But to what end are these reasons or how thinke they did the ancient Bishops of the Church liue Ignatius Ireneus Cornelius Cyprian and such like whose memorial wil continue with their glory to the worlds end A man shall neuer preuent the cauels of malitious men whether the Ministers liue of tithes and oblations or whether they stick to theyr certain allowance both here and there whatsoeuer is receiued wil be thought too much of some A Flemishe florence or gilderne is 2. shillings sterling I haue often times heard the Boores groyn and grunt to this effect that a stipend of two three or foure hundred Flemish Florences was great wages I sayd they can keepe my family for lesse Neyther do I receyue so much of all the gayne that I can make thus vnequally comparing not them selues with them selues but theyr styes with the state of they Ministers As if ther were no difference betweene a priuate man of the basest rout a publique Minister at the hie Altar And yet two or three years wages wil scarce serue to buy him books bsides of duty he ought to be boūtifull intertainable to the needy But now they say that by this means it is well prouided for the subiects who for the most part are but poore liue hardly in theyr Villages For how should they maintain the Minister who are themselues to be maintained Here in deed is the error of our age to be noted which in some places giue to the ciuill Magistrate the goods of the Church and permitteth them to gather vp tithes which are due to the Minister But to the purpose In villages the poor which haue nothing giue nothing if it be litle which a man hath he giueth litle euery man payeth his tith according to his wealth and according to the greatnes of his increase whether the commodity lie in tillage or in herbage And in deed the poore could no waies better be prouided for that they should not relieue theyr Pastors themselues being to be relieued then thus for by this means the Pastors are mainetayned by them which haue much they maintaine them which haue nothing The increase of theyr fields for the most part keepe a certain scantline euermore the number of them is greater which receiue then of the poore which want the same But these their reasons are too blame that both poore Pastors are so badly prouided for as they are for by thē the goods which are consecrate to holy vses are betraied to prophane wretches of whom themselues must now goe beg their allowance and be glad to serue and flatter in most slauish sort for their iust reward But yet again they argue that men will seek occasion to discharge their Minister when they shal see that they must giue often shal hear their vices inueighed against so wil fain causes with greater autority contentiō to thrust him out But who seeth not here how weakely this argument is grounded euen vppon an euil grounded gouernment of the Church who leaue in the peoples hands to place displace their Pastors at their pleasure yet if it so falleth out at any time as it falleth out so often as they fall out the christian Magistrat must be but an idle auditor in this iniury haue no autority at all to compell the wicked in this case to theyr duty But let Cornelius Bishop of Rome an holy Martyr aunswere this who being destitute of the ayde of the christian Magistrate and being infested by Nouatus his faction so far forth as that he was not far from giuing vp his hold and yeelding to the wicked yet did he euer want of those his ordinary oblations euen in the midst of so much euil will and so many dissentions so that he could not maintain therewith his 500. and 50. clerkes and a 1000. 500. poore people Neither were any of the Fathers which liued of oblations euer fearefull of the wicked but were euer fearfull to the wicked and were feared Of no greater force is that which they say that euil men being reprehended wil giue nothing but will rather suffer their Minister to famish for hunger As if that were not rather to be feared least it should be done as we haue experience of the doing by the Magistrat which payeth them wages when so euer a good Minister shal displease a bad
Magistrate But it seldome falleth out that Pastors haue only euil men in their parishes the Lords flocke is mixt of good and bad The good doe loue that which the wicked doe hate whom to displease is a great praise among good men who will not suffer the faithful Minister to suffer losse for his wel doing but will themselues supply that which they shall see wanting on the part of the wicked But there is commonly alledged an other commodity of these stipends namely this for that the Ministers may not seeme to take any thing of them of whom they ought not as are the notorious vngodly and noted Heretiques with whom a man ought not to haue any thing to doe as also of the good and godly beeing poore and needy to whome a man ought rather to giue as are widows orphans the sick and needy whome to pill and pole is a point of cruell Religion But I pray you where doth the Magistate receaue or of whome doth he contract those things by the which the Ministers are paied their stipends Of their owne goods or out of the publique treasurie but is not that confusedly gathered of the wicked togeather with the godly of the poore together with the rich This is indeed a strange religion that it shall not be lawfull for Pastors to take of them of whome the Magistrate taketh that he giueth them All men pay subsidie and other tributes of the common-wealth without respect of person euery man according to the moity of hys substaunce Of them which haue nothing they take nothing But this their religion is like vnto that of the Franciscanes who when they make great daintie to handle anye money with their proper fingers they haue other to doe it for thē I admit it is a thing not beseeming a godly Pastor to take of all commers but as the voluntary oblations of wicked rich men are not to bee receaued so the free offerings of godlie poor men are not to be refused so that they exceed not the ability of the giuer For although it be litle which is giuen yet seeing it is the fruite of godlines it ought neither to bee contemned of the Pastor nor yet suppressed in the faithfull But bee it remembred that I said the voluntary oblations of the wicked for no doubt a Minister of the Gospel may take tythes euen of infidels also if they be due to the Minister by the law and custome of the Countrey neither is religion any more violated in so doing then when the rents of farmes are paid or receaued of husband-men our tenants that are heretiques As for the argument they drawe from the vaine ostentation of the contributors who because they could not be vnknowen contention might arise among them who should exceed the rest it is an argument none at all vnlesse by the same reason we will haue Christians to abstaine from good works to auoyd ostentation But no man is to be diswaded from bounteous beneficency least he should fal into the affectation of vaine-glory And that contention and emulation is good when one man striueth to excel another in wel-doing as for the hearts and minds of men let vs leaue them for God to iudge But their last argument is this that there is no commandement that Ministers of the Church should be maintained by the oblations of the people by the which it may be concluded that it is not necessary that the same maner of maintaining the Ministery should bee maintained alike in all places and at all times but that all things ought to be referred to good order that they may be done to edification I answere that albeit the Minister of the Church be not commanded to liue of the oblations of the people for hee may liue of his owne and for certaine causes spare the people for a time yet notwithstanding in the meane while the commaundement abideth by the which the people are bound to honour their Pastor and by the liberall participation of their goods to testifie their gratefull godly deuotion towardes God and him Neither is the question so much for the Ministers maintenaunce as for the godly regards and grateful minds of the faithful towards God who is alwaies most honored or dishonored in his seruants For my part I knowe not as yet the customes of all nations and countreys Neither am I he that will prescribe to any man in this matter In the meane while I speake of those things which I haue learned by great vse and long experience and it greueth me that in many things of like nature wee abolish olde thinges and suborne worse True it is that parishes vnder the Pope had their priuileges their glebes their rents and their tithes by which their Pastors were wel maintained now because some abuses be crept in shall the whole vse of them be taken away Me thinks these are but cold reasons I haue now confuted with the which it were to be wondered that any man should bee caried away were it not that the hatred of Poperie did hurry men headlong into vaine contrarieties in such things as are or haue bene vsed among them Chap. XXXII Certaine reasons why Stipendaries are disprooued WHere as the Apostles rule commandeth vs that all things be done in good order and to edifiyng it will be a labour worth the paines to see whether that may better bee done by paying Ministers their stipends or rather by that auncient manner deliuered by the Apostles and receaued by the Fathers which giueth to Pastors their tythes and their offerings First I doe not thinke that wisedome is growen vp with vs that we should dispose of things better then our Fathers haue done Besides there is no man that desireth to be clear from the aduersaries cautels that ought at this day to make any innouation in the Church of Christ without the approued example of former ages But this is a nouel kind of honoring the Pastors of the Church not read of in the scriptures not knowen of vnto the Fathers nor euer heard of before these our daies the common brokers of all newes that the Church had their Stipendary Ministers Notwithstanding when I say that Stipends taken out of the Exchequer or other-wise collected doe blast the fruites of religion and depriue the people of the comforts thereof I would not so bee taken as if I thought it vnlawfull for the Magistrate to contribute out of the treasury to the Church But this I say that the Christian people ought notwithstanding continually to be deuoted vnto their Pastors in the bonds of a religious affinity and religiously to honour their Ministers with the testimonies of their gratefull memory the which when it is hindred by the one part it must needs be that charity should waxe very colde on both parts Saint Paule as wee haue sayde before gaue it in commaundement that he which is taught should communicate in all his goods with him that taught him from the which duty no stipēd ought