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A62502 Three treatises concerning the Scotish discipline 1. A fair warning to take heed of the same, by the Right Reverend Dr. Bramhall, Bishop of Derris : 2. A review of Dr. Bramble, late Bishop of London-Derry, his fair warning, &c. by R.B.G. : 3. A second fair warning, in vindication of the first, against the seditious reviewer, by Ri. Watson, chaplain to the Right Honorable the Lord Hopton : to which is prefixed, a letter written by the Reverend Dean of St. Burien, Dr. Creyghton. R. B. G. A review of Doctor Bramble.; Bramhall, John, 1594-1663. Fair warning to take heed of the Scotish discipline.; Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662.; Watson, Richard, 1612-1685.; Creighton, Robert, 1593-1672. 1661 (1661) Wing T1122; ESTC R22169 350,569 378

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general your judicial Vsurpations are censur'd by the Authour of Episcopacie and Presbyterie considered Whereof he brings no particulars because he sayth no bodie can be ignorant that hath look'd into the knowen stories of this last age Some what to this purpose is in him that writ the Trojan Horse… unbowelled K. Iames's Declaration against you in the case of the Aberdene Ministers is in print Beside many other of this nature that I have not seen or doe not thinke on Where Master Baylie hath slept out all this noyse J can not guesse if above ground So that a lasse the Curtisan Bishops may pasle away unquaestion'd with a few innocent prohibitions in their pockets when the Traverse is draw'n and the Palliard Presbyters discovered in multitudes at the businesse heaping up such loades of repeales and protestations as crush all iniquitie into scandal make Civile Courts Parliaments Councel and King responsable for their sentences to the Synods The next injurie against Masters and Mistresses of families as it stands in your discipline not as you subtilie yet vainlie advantage it is criminal at least so farre as it is a transgression of Saint Pauls rule which requires all things to be done euschemonoos cata taxin decentlie and in order 1. Cor. 14. 50. Whereas for them to be brought to such a publike account who at all other times without personal exception are constituted instructours of their children and servants is not eushemonoot it caries litle decencie with it it too much discountenanceth their authoritie it levels their natural and politike Dominion for the time nor have those different lines as they are draw'n in your Discipline such a just symmetrie as to produce an handsome feature of one person It is not cata taxin ta●…e it in what sense you will no man will say there is a due order observed nor any such praescription in Christs Holy Catholike Church The same Apostle that gave particular directions in the case made no canon for this An antecedent examination he appointed but the Ancients interpret it more of the will and affection then the understanding mind Or ●…f he meant it of both he made every man judge of himselfe as you doe when he is praesent at the ministration of baptisme that had before renderd a reason of his sayth to the Church neither Presbyter and inquisitour of course nor parishoner a witnesse of his unworthinesse and ignorance Ourh heteros ton hetecon…all ' a●…tos beauton sayth Oecumenius which put Cajetan upon the thought that confession was not at this time required for which he is taken up by Catharinus And Chrysostom referres us to a text in St. Pauls second epistle which tells us what discoverie may put the examination to an end Examine your selves whether ye be in the sayth Omnem prolationem quaerendi inveniendi credendo fixisti hunc tibi modum statuit sructusipse quaerendi is intended I beleeve as a glosse upon it by Tertullian So that the knowledge how to pray was no praerequisite of St. Pauls Nor can we heare from him that the ignorance of other your disciplinarian articles exclude a man more from the Sacrament of the Lords supper then from the communion of Saints Christianitie he professeth in his Creed Beside 't is easie to conceive what discouragement it brings upon such good Christians as hunger and thirst after this spiritual nourishment of their soules and how much it derogates from that reverence Antiquitie render'd to this Sacrament and the high degree of necessitie they held often to participate hereof by such clauses as this All Ministers must be admonished to be more carefull to instruct the ignorant then readie to serve their appetite and to use more sharpe examination then indulgence in admitting c. Which hath a different sound from the earnest crie of the Euangelical Prophet Isai 55. 1. and the free invitation made by the High Priest of our profession in the Gospell S. Luk. 14 you accounting profanelie the losse hereof no more then the misse of a meale and the disappointment no other then depriving an hungrie appetite of a diner Our Fathers of old were otherwise minded and excommunicated those that were peevishlie averse not those that being engag'd in no penance humblie desir'd the benefit hereof Aposlrephomenous tea metalephin tes cucharistias cata fina ataxian toutous apobletons ginesthaites ecclestas was part of a canen at the Councel of Antioch A. 341. I could adde That you declare not what may passe among you in the Master and Mistresses answers for the summe of the law what for the knowledge wherein their rightcousnesse stands without which you say they ought not to be admitted So that the sharpnesse of your examen and acceptance of their answer being arbitrarie much roome is left for private spleen antipathie and passion no justifiable causes of separation from this communitie of Christians and therefore made the ground of enquirie and cognizance in every halfe yeares Synod by the Nicene Father that such partialitie might not be tolerated in the Bishops But whereas you excommunicate the parent and Masters for negligence when their children and servants are suffered to continue in wilfultignorance Why not aswell the God Fathers and Pastours whose subsidiarie care should not onelie be restaurative but praeventive Why not such aged women as are not teachers of goodthings That the yong women be sober love their husbands and children c. Tit. 2 3 Why not all those in whom the word of Christ should dwell richlie in all wisdome and they teach and admonish one another Col. 3. 16. Which being a like duties of the Text alike require your inspection nor doth it appeare any more that you are left to a libertie of discrimination in your censure then that for any of these defaults you may exercise it at all Your familie visitations if sincerelie intended for the inspection of maners and conversations is commendable if done with the spirit of discretion moderation meeknesse When this was practiz'd by the most conscientious Priests of the Episcopal partie your knowledge whereof to denie by oath would looke litle beter then perjurie it was calumniated by many of your brood for gadding and gossiping defam'd by some for more sinfull conversing And when the generalitie of them the Episcopal Clergie remitted the frequencie of preaching the studie for which they found inconsistent with this more necessarie more beneficial catechizing the people it was nicknam'd suppressing the word And when at such times as the sacramental solemnities they entred into any private spiritual communication though advised by the Church they were put to purge themselves from the imputation of Poperie in practizing auricular confession and injunction of penance Your order and practice is to keep off from the holie Table not such onelie as conjunctive are grosselic and willfulle but divisive intoo strict a sense grosselie or willfullie ignorant Touching which allthough
downe and her Paternal Princes enthralled to the dominion of your spirit For your publike inhibition of private mariage●… there mentioned is not so much to carie the streame of childrens obedience to their Parents and Curatours as to make sure that the water goe no●… by your mill that due homage be payd to the consistorian powers that are above them Therefore in some cases and we know not which you except 't is sayd The Minister or Magistrate to whom though not you your Discipline gives the praecedence and praedominance may enter in the place of parents … may admit them to mariage For the worke of God ought not to be hindred c. This worke of God is there called the touch of the heart with desire of mariage As if all hearts so touched had Gods hand layd upon them and the Scotsh climate were so cold as all natural or carnal inclinations were frozen untill fire came downe from heaven to dissolve them As if then good soules they were melted in a minute and had outrun the bounds of all selfe moderation all rational persw●…sion all love martyrdom in a passive submission to the just rigour orunjust wilfullnesse of cruel parents contradicting their sodaine affections and amourous violence For if these Flames warme by degrees at a distance and some danger drawes on of being scorch'd without screening their dutie should prompt them to withdraw in due season and repraesent to their parents the first sense they finde of that heate the increase of content or comfort they take in it and with their approbation farther cherish these desires or upon their dislike in gratitude and justice to their sufferance of many infant troubles elder petulancies endu●…e a litle hardship for their pleasures For to change the allegorie if children first set saile of themselves then call to their parents at ●…hoare for leave to take shiping this mocke respect would rellish more of scorne then good nature or dutie And as well may they bid adieu to relations as when before a strong gale of winde looke for anod or waving hand to incourage that course wherein they themselves are steering and necessitie carying then not to be resisted Yet no other is that honour which your Discipline sayth they are bound to give to their parents the parts whereof you make these To open their affection To aske their counsel and assistance how that motion … may be performed it speakes not of asking pardon for entertaning it before approved You know the Civile and Canon law are divided that standing much upon the necessitie this onelie on the decencie or honestie of having the parents consent A friend of yours that îs hugg'd for his paines in opposing our Church presseth hard the coincidence of the former with the determination in Scripture and objects her concurrent practice with the later To tell you how Bucer playes the strict Civilian in this businesse whose authoritie is very oracular when for you would it may be render him but a private opiniatour now against you And as litle might it availe to produce the Acts of your Brethren in Holland who seem to declare for a necessitie in their provincial Synod Nemo proclamabitur de contrahendo nisi priu●… attulerit testimonium de consensu parentum No more then a convenience in their National and that determinable by their Presbyterie when controverted … Siquis autem irrationabiliter in his causis refractarie se gesscrit sic quod nullo modo vellet consentir●… … presbyterium constituit quid in talibu●… casibus sit saciendum In this division you doe well to quit your selve of all wonted interest and appeale even from Scripture it selfe to the Tribunal of reasen and a quitie Where yet you will scarce get your hearing before you prove that the anthoritie of Parents is to be restrained by the many times unreasonable though lawfull and honest desires or motions in their children As if a Kings daughter should be taken with a beggar borne under an hedge With which instance your Presbytrie is scarce to be trusted who it may be are readie enough to justifie the match by the eminencie of his vertues to which they may beter dispose daughters then distribute crownes saying Regna virtuti non generi deberi Epictetus that was a very good Master of his reason gave this general rule unto his disciples That all obligatorie offices are measured by the relative habits of the persons He begins with the Father as most absolute in his power all whose injunctions and actions are to have an active or passive obedience from his children Pater estin hypagoreuetai epimeleisthai para●…horein hapantoon aneches●…hai loidorountos paientos If you talke to him as Bishop to the of a cruel ●…arent abusing his autgoritie c. He will tell you Nature hath not tied you to a good father but a father your dutie must bepayd him in his natural capacitie not moral ●…ete oun pros agathon patera physei okeiothes alla pros patera There is indeed some what in humanitie it selfe which may be call'd the ●…ice of a father to his sonne To moderate sometimes his autocratical power by affection run his iron heart into the same molds with the softer metall of his childrens at least not t make it the hammer and anvil whereby to fashion youth to the humourous morose sevetitie of age It was upon some such advantage that Pamphilus argued in the Comoedie Hoccine est humanum factum aut in●…oeptum Hoccine officium Patris … Pro ●…eum atquchominum quid est si non baee contumeli●… est Vxorem decreverat dare sese mihi hoaie nonne oportuit praes●…isse me ante nonne prius communica●…um oportuit Yet afterward Simo contrapones his improper choyce of a match misbeseeming him against custome law and his dutie as a s●…nne Adeon impotenti ●…sse anime ut praeter ●…ivium M●…rem atque legem sui voluntatem patris Tamen hanc habere cupiat cum summo probro ●…n sine Pamphilus convinc'd in likelihood by his reason made a filial exemplarie submission in our Case Ego me amare han●… fateor si id peccare est fateor id quoque Tibi Pater me dedo quidvis oneris impone impera Vis me uxorem ducere han●… amittere ut potero feram Yet among Christians when such submission's not found from a frenzie of love which will take no advice from Nature or Reason I confesse the Magistrates and Ministers shall doe an act of charitie in their mediation with his father by complying with to cure him of his madnesse and restore him to his senses But when their Discipline makes it an act of power and jurisdiction and that as much if not more concerning the Minister as Magistrate I take it to be very emp●…ie of oequitie as full as the Reviewer thinkes it and see not where after the Scotish mode any Church or State