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A62861 Anti-pædobaptism, or, The second part of the full review of the dispute concerning infant-baptism in which the invalidity of arguments ... is shewed ... / by John Tombs ... Tombes, John, 1603?-1676. 1654 (1654) Wing T1799; ESTC R33835 285,363 340

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go before and faith follow when by necessity of precept as he speaks there Christ having instituted it and commanded it discipleship and believing are put before baptism Mat. 28. 19. Mark 16. 15 16. and the Apostles so taught and practised Acts 2. 38. 41. 8 12. 37. 10 47 48. 11. 17. 16. 15 33 34. 18. 8. Glory is put before Vertue 2 Peter 1. 3. without disorder if either the meaning be as Heinsius in his Preface to his Aristarchus sacer on Nonnus conceives he hath called us by his glorious power or if the ordinary reading be retained though Vertue be before glory yet we are called to glory first as the end and then to vertue as the means the end being first in intention though last in execution There is another exception which I counted in my Examen p. 126. a very absurd one and such as I presumed none that had any wit would entertain it to wit that making disciples Matth. 28. 19. is to be by baptizing them and yet Mr. M. in his Defence pag. 212. goes about to maintain that the Jewes children were discipled when circumcised pag. 213. that baptizing may be well rendred discipling and allegeth Spanheimius for it Mr. Hussey vents it as very remarkable and advantagious to prove infant-baptism But against this toy I argued in my Examen page 131. 127. 1. No Lexicon nor I thought expositor do expound 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 make disciples that is circumcise or baptize them 2. That the word plainly signifies so to teach as that the persons taught do learn and accordingly professe the things taught To this Mr. M. replies 1. That better Criticks than my self say that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is a Rabbinick phrase and from their use of it it is best to be understood and that with them it signifies to admit scholars not because they were taught but that they might be taught Answ. But Mr. M. neither names the Criticks no● brings proof for what they say nor if it were all granted would serve his purpose to prove that ever disciple ye is as much as circumcise ye baptize ye I grant there is great use to be made of the Talmuds and Rabbins in expounding many passages in the New Testament but in expounding this term there is no need of using them when the use of it in other places and comparing it with other Scriptures are sufficient to cleer it yet if Mr. Ms. Criticks look over all the Talmuds and Rabbins I presume they will not find one passage wherein the making of a disciple or admitting of a Scholar was ever applyed to an infant And though Mr. Hussey ridiculously tell us of taking children to School and counting them for Scholars who carry a hornbook to School though they be put there only to play and keep them from harm yet neither do any so admit as Scholars infants of a day or eight days old nor is a Scholar all one with a disciple the latter word being from learning the other from vacation from other imployment that he may learn nor is making a disciple all one with admitting a Scholar Rightly saith Becman Exercit. Th●ol 17. pag. 2●0 verbum 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 quod omnes libenter admittunt ex nativa origine est discipulos facere 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Atqui hoc ipsum non nisi accedente doctrina fit Qui enim discit tanquam 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ab alio ●x ra●ione 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 dicitur itaque discipuli sunt qui docentur discunt pag. 261. nec ulli discipuli sunt nisi qui docentur Dum igitur Christus Apostolos jubet 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ante omnia quidem de necessitate jubet docere But 3. Mr. M. refers me with a blind direction to Spanheimius to consult with which however I have done as I find his words Dub. Evang. part 3. dub 27. and I say as in my Apology page 100. besides the mention of his words there need no other refutation For 1. it is false that to make disciples signifies the end of their sending and not the act they were to do whereas it plainly notes the first act they were to do and if it had been the end of the act of baptizing and teaching it should have been thus baptize and teach them all things 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that ye may make all nations disciples 2. Spanheimius there makes 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 make disciples to answer to 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 he maketh disciples John 4. 1. But there it is another thing than baptizing for making disciples and baptizing are knit together as two distinct things and the making disciples there was by preaching as the story of the Evangelist shews therefore making disciples Matthew 28. 19. is by preaching and is not barely baptizing 3. His own words do refute the reason of his analysis For he allegeth this reason because if 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 should simply signify only to teach there would be found a tautology in Christs words thus Go teach all Nations baptizing them teaching them But this absurdity is not avoided by his own exposition For he himself saith non significat solum docere sed discipulos facere now if it signifie at all to teach the tautology is alike if we say Go not only teach but also make disciples baptizing them teaching them for by his own words teaching is twice commanded Nevertheless in my exposition commonly received there is no tautology Go make by teaching or preaching the Gospel that Jesus is the Christ disciples so as that they learn him to be the Messias and profess him as Mr. M. expounds John 9. 27. will ye be his disciples and then baptize them and after teach them to observe all that I have commanded So that here is a double teaching injoined one to preach or teach them the Gospel that Jesus is the Christ as Philip did the Eunuch Acts 8. 36 37. and then baptize and then teach duties commanded by Christ. And for what Spanheimus saith That this may in its manner be ●i●ted to infants For when parents do give their names to Christ for themselves and their families their whole house is discipled their children as well as themselves it is false For then if a parent give his name to Christ for himself and his family and the whole house is discipled thereby it will follow that the wife child servant though infidels are discipled and so in fidels should be Christs disciples But no where is in Scripture any made a disciple but by his own act of learning As for what Mr. M. adds to shew that without teaching first by initiating into a Master a person may become a disciple it is insufficient to that end For 1 Cor. 10. 2. though all our Fathers be said to be baptized into Moses yet not to be discipled and the term 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 was discipled Matth. 27. 57. doth
baptized He tells us how he means by disciples which meaning of his is before proved not to be the meaning of the text and then saith His major is evident in the text from the conjunction of the two commands Go make me disciples baptizing them If any shall be so quarrelsome against the plain tezt to say It is not all disciples that they were commanded to baptize but only all that were made disciples and this making was onely by teaching I answer 1. If I prove infants Disciples I sure prove therby they were made so or else they they had never been so 2. By teaching the parents and children were both made disciples the parents directly the infants remotely or mediately if they be proved once to be disciples it will easily follow it is by this way He that converteth the parent maketh both him and his infants disciples incompleat or in title This therefore lies on the proof of the Minor 3. But I would say more to this but that Mr. T. as I understand hath in his Sermons professed That if we will prove that infants are Christs Disciples he will acknowledge that they ought to be baptized the like he granted to me and well he may Answ. 1. It is well Mr. B. grants that to go make disciples baptizing them are two Commands and that there is a conjunction of them whence it follows that he appoints not baptizing till the making of disciples nor of any but disciples made as Christ appointed 2. It is no quarrel against the plain text but the very plain doctrine of the text to say It is not all disciples visibly or invisibly directly or remotely compleatly or incompleatly in reality or in title that they were commanded to baptize but only all that were made disciples and this making was only by teaching or preaching the Gospel to them Mark 16. 15. 3. It is true I have often granted that if it be proved infants are Christs disciples made by preaching to them the Gospel they ought to be baptized But when I granted this it did not come into my thoughts that Mr. B. would ever have hatched much lesse have printed such wild nonsense fancies as here he doth of a disciple by title without learning like a King of Jerusalem without reigning or the Popes Bishop of Chalcedon without overseeing of teaching remotely in the Parents conversion without any personal teaching in themselves For which fancies he neither brings a text of Scripture nor any approved Author nor any other besides himself thus speaking Such distinctions are but meer abuses as are without any instance of such an use of terms And to shew the grossnesse of this foppery of Mr. B. which a School boy may easily discern that hath gone no further than Qui mihi discipul●s I argue thus 1. If he that converteth the parent maketh the infant a disciple then either because the infant is an infant and then evrey infant should be made a disciple by that conversion or because his child and then every child is made a disciple yea though he be a professed infidel or both and then it would be shewed what grant there is to the child while infant which ceaseth when grown up where the relation of a disciple in his sense is appropriated only to infant child Yea all the plea is by teaching the parents and children were both made disciples therefore this relation comes from being a child of such a one But the professed infidel child is the child of the Father therefore also a disciple in title and to be baptized after Mr. Bs. doctrine 2. If children be made disciples remotely and mediately according to the command Matth. 28. 19. in that the parent is converted and that the teaching of the parent is the teaching of the child then it follows he that teacheth the Father hath done his duty of teaching though he teach not the child himself and so a preacher need not at all go and catechize each child but only preach to parents It would be ill with Kederminster if it should be so there But this follows according to Mr. Bs. exposition of Christs command Mat. 28. 19. 3. It will follow as well that he that baptizeth the Father baptizeth the child for there is a conjunction of these commands and the baptizing is to be correspondent to the teaching if then the teaching the parent is the teaching the child then is the baptizing the parent the baptizing the child according to the command and so the command is only to baptize in another him who is taught in another and it is a gross transgression of Christs command to baptize him in himself who is only a disciple in another 4. Forasmuch as Mr. B. doth not limit the childs being a disciple or teaching remotely to the next parents being converted he that shall teach the Grandfather great Grandfather c. teacheth the child makes him a disciple yea according to his doctrine pag. 101. he that converts the Master of the house makes his servants and those that are at his dispose though not his children whom he would have baptized disciples for sure he would not have them baptized that are not disciples Now I appeal to any man of understanding whether this be not as gross and pernicious a delusion as Hart the Jesuit held so much exagitated in the conference by Dr. Raynold ch 2. divis 7. That the Pope preacheth by another to say he that teacheth the parent teacheth the child Assuredly had I ever dreamed that Mr. B. had such phantastick if not frantick notions I had denyed his major and do now expresly deny it in his sense All that are Christs disciples incompleatly in title only remotely by the parents conversion without their own ordinarily ought to be baptized and expect it to be proved by him ad Graecas Calendas Nor would I have laid the stress of the argument on the proof of his Minor if I had understood his deceitful gibberish by which he detestably abused many people and perverted Christs words But it is my lot to answer such a writer and I follow him He next goes about to prove his minor thus That some infants are Christs disciples and so called by the Holy Ghost is most evident to any that will not grosly pervert the text or overlook it in Acts 15. 10. why tempt ye God to put a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our Fathers nor we were able to bear now who were these disciples no doubt those on whom the false Teachers would have laid the yoke And what was that yoke It is plain it was Circumcision as necessary and as engaging them to keep the Law And whom would they have perswaded thus to be circumcised Why both the Parents and Children in that Age and only the Children in all following Ages ordinarily So that thus I argu Those on whose necks the false Teachers would have laid this yoke were Disciples But some yea most of
Testament a man was accounted of God as uncircumcised himself if his children were uncircumcised for so it is written in Exod. 12. 48. that if a man will come and keep the Passeover all the males in his house must be circumcised and the reason given is for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof which plainly argueth that a man is uncircumcised himself and as an uncircumcised person is to be debarred from the Passeover until all his males be circumcised If then our Lords Supper come in the room of the Passeover and our baptism in the room of circumcision look as he that had not circumcised his males was accounted as one uncircumcised himself and so to be debarred from the Passeover so he who hath not baptized his children is accounted of God as not baptized himself and so to be debarred from the Lords Supper Answ. That baptism and the Lords Supper come in the room of Circumcision and the Passeover is often said but never proved But if it were granted though I still deny it yet Mr. Cottons inference is not good till it be also yielded that every rule of Circumcision and the Passeover is a rule to us about Baptism and the Lords Supper which me thinks he should not maintain Nor do I think he can give any reason why in this the rule should bind more than in others Yea did he consider it he might have perceived that if the proportion be stretched according to this rule no parent must be counted baptized nor to eat the Lords Supper except he had not only all his children baptized but also all his Servants For the males to be circumcised were not only children but servants also and so those must be baptized who are out of covenant and a national church must be fo●med like to the Jews which I think were hated of him as the blind and the lame were of Davids soul. And methinks it should follow that if it happen as it may happen many waies especially in new England where many baptized persons may not have their children baptized because the parents are not Church-members the infants be unbaptized the parent is to be baptized again because counted of God and according to Scripture phrase if Mr. Cottons dictates hold unbaptized Which being absurd I count his inference If therefore you forbid baptism to children you evacuate the baptism of their parents and so make the Commandment of God and the Commission of the Apostles and the baptism of believers of none effect together with that other passage of his pag. 4. If godly parents do withdraw their children from the covenant and the seal of the Covenant they do make void as much as in them lyeth the Covenant both to themselves and to their children also And then will the Lord cut off such souls from his people Gen. 17. 14. to be meer Mormoes or bugbears to fright children though I am afraid they are used for a further evil end to incite Magistrates a gainst Antipaedo baptists and to justify their hard dealing with then in new England That which Mr. Cotton addes That if we gather no infant are disciples from Mark 16. 16. compared with Matth. 28. 1● because believer and disciple are terms of the same sense and i● fants not believers it would follow that no infant were capable of salvation any more than baptism I have answered in my Praecursor s. 6. That which he speaks of the Gospel That the promise of being God to believers and their seed is to be preached as Gospel according to Mark 16. 15. and if his allegations of Acts 16. 31. Luke 19. 9. Gal. 3 16 17. be right and his words true p. 22. God hath promised salvation to believers and their seed and house also is so palpably false that Mr. Marshal and Mr. Geree do both disclaim It as contrary to Protestant doctrine as I shew in my Apology s. 9. That which he saith pag. 24. ' That the expounding baptizing into the Father Son and Holy Ghost Mat. 28. 19. thus baptize them into the true and orderly profession of that which they have been taught and believed is to assert that we are to be baptized into the name of Creatures for profession is an act of our own and so a creature which he counteth an effect of Gods judgement taking men in their own wiliness while they turn the glorious name of the blessed Trinity into the weak performance of a Christian duty is a frivolous quillet unfit for so grave a man James ch 5. 14. To anoint with oyl in the name of the Lord id est saith Beza invocato nomine Domini the New Annot. by calling on the name of the Lord which is a work of their own Do they therein turn the name of the glorious God into a Creature But enough of this childish chapter of Mr. Cotton in which I find so little worth answering that were it not for the esteem he had and his acquainting me with this piece in his letter to me I should have chosen to have let it passe as not worth the labour bestowed in answering it Mr. William Cook in his Font uncovered pag. 13. brings Acts 21. 4 5. To prove that infants in their mothers arms were reckoned among disciples and makes the enumeration there to answer Deut. 29. 10 11 12. Ezra 8. 21. And whereas it might be said that the children are distinguished from the disciples he prevents this by retortion their wives are distinguished from disciples yet might be disciples so the children Answ. 1. The places are no way parralel in the matter nor exactly in the enumeration made in the former there is mention of servants none here all were of duty there to enter into covenant the whole nation together not so here in the later place no mention of wives and the business was a solemn humiliation for them upon their return from captivity but here only a courteous accompanying of Paul to the ship 2. I grant the wives are not necessarily excluded from being disciples nor children by the enumeration Acts 21. 5. nor are they necessary to be included but how doth Mr. Cook prove the the children babes carried in armes or such little ones as had not abilities of understanding More likely this thing being done by common consent the wives and children were of years to conceive what they did whether already baptized disciples or persons catechized and expectants it is uncertain I shall now finding nothing needing more answer in Mr. Cobbet part 2. ch 3. s. 4. but what will fitly come in when I answer Mr. Baxter pass on to the answering Mr. Baxters third chapter of the first part of his plain Scripture proof c. where he thus argues SECT XII Mr. Bs. allegation of Acts 15. 10. to prove infants disciples is fully answered his arguments retorted ALL that are Christs disciples ordinarily ought to be baptized But some infants are Christs disciples Therefore some infants ordinarily ought to be
both determined in the Synod and therefore both decreed against and so the doctrine is the yoke in respect of the yoakers and the judgment and practise in respect of the yoaked 4. Saith Mr. B. It was the Church of Antioch and not the false Teachers that sent to Ierusalem for resolution 5. And it was to the brethren and not to the false Teachers that the Synod did direct their letters and decrees therefore it was the Disciples practise that is more directly decreed against or at least as much than the Doctrine of the Teachers Answ. Be the Conclusion granted yet the Doctrine is decreed against and consequently is meant by the yoke v. 10. even according to Mr. Bs. argument That which the Synod did decree against was the yoke here meant But doth not Mr. B. in these words plainly intimate that Disciples are the same with brethren to whom the letters were directed which sure were not infants It is true the Church of Antioch and not the false Teachers sent to Jerusalem for resolution and that the letters were directed not to the false Teachers but brethren called believers Acts 21. 25. yet they sent about the false Teachers Doctrine and the decree and speech were against that Doctrine even as the decrees or Canons of Councils are against the doctrine of Heretikes though sent to the Churches From all which I infer that Mr. Bs. reasoning is frivolous and while he oppose●h i● his own arguments prove that the Doctrine of the false Teachers is the yoke But he hath not yet done 6. Saith he If it were granted as Mr. T. would have it that it is onely putting on the yoke that is here expressely decreed against and the yoke or practise it self but onely by consequence then he would make this Synod so weak as to leave the matter imperfect and obscure which they were to determine expresly and perhaps it might put him hard to it to prove that consequence For it will not alway follow that what may not be taught may not be practised as I could shew in several cases Answ. I hold the Synod to decree expressely against the yoke understanding by it the Doctrine of the necessity of Circumcision the obligation and opinion of its necessity and the pu●ting of the yoke that is the Teaching this Doctrine to Disciples and by consequence against the Gentiles believing Parents practice of circumcising their Infants as of duty nor do I know how any other way Mr. B. can gather it from the Epistle of the Synod than as I do sure in all the Epistle I finde not any other way to prove Gentile believers are not bound to circumcise their children but by urging the words v. 24. 28. 29 in which parents are not discharged of circumcising infants expresly in so many words But by consequence And yet the matter is not left imperfect or obscure but there is an express determination against that which was the occasion of the Synod to wit the Doctrine of the false Teachers v. 24. nor is the consequence hard to infer if the Apostles give no command to the Gentile parents to be circumcised and to keep the Law then parents are not tied to circumcise their infants there being no necessity or duty to them who have no command or burden put on them Mr. B. mistakes in conceivng I framed the consequence thus What the false Apostles might not teach the parents might not practice And therefore though he could shew in many more cases than he can that it will not alway follow that what may not be taught may not be practiced the consequence as I frame it may be clear the determination of the Synod express and perfect But he adds 7. And me thinks we may be allowed to prove baptism of infants by consequence if this Synod assembled of purpose about Circumcision and the Law did yet leave them nothing but consequence against it Answ. I never said that the Synod left nothing but consequence against Circumcision and the Law nor did I disallow at any time the proving of infants baprism by consequence but have often declared the contrary though Mr. M. most unbrotherly charged me with it pag. 3. of his Defence but absolved me of it pag. 205. as I shew in my Apology sect 11. and in my Praecursor sect 8. But having so long expected some proof by consequence for infant-baptism and finding upon trial in so many Authors as have occurred nothing worth the name of a proof I conclude there is no such thing but that Paedobaptists and none more than Mr. B. do onely gull the world and which is more to be detested the godly and of those many that are teachers of others with flourishes and shews instead of proof in so much as some who are of able parts magnifie his book about infants baptism as excellent whether it be out of rashness or for advantage sake to themselves finde it upon strictest examination to be but a meer cheat But Mr. B. hath one string more to his Bowe 5. Further saith he that it was Circumcision it self as needfull and as engaging to Moses Law which is here meant is plain in Gal. 5. 1 2 3. No doubt either those that mis-taught the Galatians were the same with those or their companions teaching the same Doctrine and therefore Paul there decideth the same cause and mark what he cals the yoke Stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage Behold I Paul say unto you that if ye be circumcised Christ shall profit you nothing For I testifie again to every m●n that is circumcised that he is a debtor to the whole Law Is not he wilfull that yet will say the yoke is onely the Doctrine of the false Teachers and not Circumcision as engaging to keep the Law Answ. 1. Mr. B. before p. 17. said that it is evident the doctrine is not the yoke here when he saith Is not he wilfull that yet will say that the yoke is onely the doctrine of the false Teachers He doth plainly intimate that he excepts not against the holding the yoke to be the Doctrine but the holding it to be onely the Doctrine of the false Teachers which is me thinks to contradict himself and to overthrow what he contends for to wit the yoke is that which was put on infants but the Doctrine was not put on infants and therefore if the Doctrine were in part the yoke and this not put on infants then the yoke was not put on infants then it is not absurd for me to expound the yoke of the Doctrine of the false Teachers and his Arguments against that Exposition are answered by his own concession 2. If it be true that either those that mis-taught the Galatians were the same with these false Teachers Acts 15. 1. or their companions teaching the same Doctrine then it is most false which Mr. B. teacheth pag. 16. It was true and
after and spirit before as Matth. 3. 11. spirit is first and fire after and after the usual manner of speaking it should run thus except a man be born of the spirit and water if it were to be expounded of the spirit which is as water Dr. Homes animadv on my Exercit pag. 30. allegeth Bullinger saying Omnes penè de baptismo Ioh. 3. 5. interpretantur to which he adjoyns Bullingers and his own consent For these reasons I am much inclined to expound it of the Element of Water Yet 2. am very apt to conceive that forasmuch as Mr. Selden de jurenat Gent. juxta discipl Heb. lib. 2. cap. 4. tels us that when the Iews did initiate Proselytes by baptizing them with water they called it Regenerating and that Christ when he taunts Nicodemus with dulness in being a Master in Israel and yet not knowing of Regeneration but by imagining a natural New-birth when Regeneration was frequent in baptizing Proselytes among the Iews insomuch that by it they taught a person lost his natural relations of kinred as he shews lib. 5. c. 18. and hath these words in the place above cited tamet si de eâ quae spiritu fit non solùm aquâ loqueretur Christus our Saviour meant baptism of water not according to his Apostles practice but the Iews and that the sense is this Except a man be born of water and of the spirit that is Except a man be not onely born again by water as ye Pharisees regenerate when ye make Proselytes but also by the spirit as I do beget again he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God although he may enter into the Common-wealth or policy of Israel which sense nevertheless doth not assert a necessity of their water-regeneration but onely of Christs spiritual regeneration and the insufficiency of the other by it self which is so much the more probable because I finde 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 used for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is and for but Motth 11. 19. 12. 39. Acts 10. 28. and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Acts 26. 29. seems to answer to not onely but also yet because I finde not a place every way parallel I onely propound it to be examined But 3. it being granted that it is meant of Christs water-baptism yet Papists themselves make not such a necessity of it as is without limitation and exception and therefore they put in some one some another restriction which Chamier in the place alleged reduceth to four 1. Unless the person be baptized either with the baptism of water or some other thing instead of it as the baptism of bloud and spirit 2. If they may be baptized and they despise it 3. If they be not baptized with that Regeneration which is by water though it may be otherwise also 4. If they be neither baptized in deed nor desire Why may not then this limitation be added Except a man be born again of water that is except such a person of whom baptism is required according to my institution be born of water when he may have it and it s cleared to him to be his duty he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God And indeed this and such like speeches Mark 16. 16. Iohn 3. 18 ●6 c. that require faith as well as baptism are to be understood of persons to whom the Gospel is preached and do or may hear it and speak not of infants whom we finde not that God enters into the Kingdom of Heaven any other way than by his invisible election and operation of his Spirit And it is observable that whereas Iohn 3. 5. our Saviour joyns water and spirit as means of Regeneration yet v. 6. he names onely the spirit omitting water whence may be gathered that water is not of such universal unrestrained necessity that in no case a person is not born again without it nor admissible into the Kingdom of God yet such as is necessary ordinarily to those to whom the Gospel is preached and their duty made known Whence in answer to the Doctors argument I say that his speeches are to be thus limited at least none can enter into the Kingdom of God ordinarily without baptism to wit of those to whom the Gospel is preached their duty made known and Baptism may be had and to his later Argument I answer by denying that children are excluded out of the Kingdom of Heaven by denying them Baptism sith those unbaptized persons onely are excluded who are appointed to be baptized to whom the Gospel is preached the duty of Baptism made known and they may have it administred to them which cannot be said of infants Mr. Nathaniel Stephens in his Book intituled A Precept for the Baptism of Infants out of the New Testament having premised some thing about the Text Iohn 3. 5. pag. 18 19 20 21 22. about the necessity of baptism of water and the efficacy of it in which many things are meerly dictated and very slightly handled he would infer pag. 23 c. a Precept for infant-baptism from Iohn 3. 5. because infants are guilty of original sin where the disease is there is need of the remedy when Christ doth press a necessity of washing both by water and the spirit he doth not this so immediately in reference to actual sin as in reference to birth-sin and to the natural pollution in which infants are born The same is the plea of Mr. Thomas Fuller in his Infants Advocate c. 13. Answ. That either baptism of water or Circumcision are made the remedy of original sin is more than I finde in Scripture though it go as currant among many of former and later times It is true our Lord Christ saith Except a man be born of Water and of the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God John 3. 5. and he assigns this as a reason thereof v. 6. That which is born of the flesh is flesh but that either thereby he intended to make baptism as the remedy of sin or of original sin rather than actual is more than appears For though our Lord Christ v. 5. make regeneration to be by Water and Spirit yet I conceive regeneration is by the Spirit onely as the cause by baptism of water onely as the sign whereby the person baptized testifies that he is born again by the Spirit Now a remedy is a cause and not a sign onely no man calls that which is onely a sign of cure a remedy but that which doth operate for healing That baptism of water is not the cause of regeneration appears 1. Because v. 6. our Saviour giving the reason of the necessity of regeneration and the effect of regeneration leaves ou● water and mentions onely the Spirit 2. Because the person baptized is supposed to be born again to be a repenting and believing person afore he is baptized But if baptism were the cause it should be before regeneration for the cause is before the effect and so men should be
ears of others in that respect it is called a visible Church but the visible is not one Church and the invisible another Church but meerly the same Church under several denominations the one from their constituting graces the other from the external profession of them There was lately a printed sheet brought to my hands intituled The profession of the Church c. which is owned by Mr. Richard Baxter in his Christian concord in the Preface of which are these words And because Ministers cannot well know who are members of the Churches and who not and so must be ignorant of the extent of their charges and duties without an expression of their peoples consent Hence I argue 1. If Ministers cannot know who are members of the Churches and who not without an expression of their peoples consent then they cannot know infants to be members of the Churches who express no consent 2. Then the parents faith upon which they were baptized without their own consent expressed doth not make them visible Church-members for if it did they might know them by their memory and registers that they were Church-members 3. Then they are not rightly baptized by him without their consent 4. Then it is not true which Mr. B. writeth plain Scripture c. pag. 280. And do you not see it fulfilled before your eys Are not Bewdley Kederminster meaning all the people ●lder and yonger c. and England till of lat● as fully Christs Disciples and so Church-members a● the Jews were in Covenant with God and so Church-members which if true Mr. B. may know who at Kederminster are Church-members without their expressed consent even all the inhabitants and that his charge is extended to all 5. Then the gift of visible Church-membership is repealed ●ith in the Common wealth of Israel all the posterity of Israel were Church-members 6. By his new course of distinguishing the professing and subscribing parioshi●ers of Kederminster as Church-members from the rest as not his Church-members he gathers a Church out of a Church and separates some Disciples from others and doth himself make a like division in his Church though not in so justifiable a way as he chargeth so fiercely on me and others Which I conceive to be little less than a retractation of his own tenet about infants vis●●e Church-membership and clearing of his opposites Lastly by Mr. Bs. determinations there is no certain way to know a particular infant to be a visible Church-member For in his determinations there is no resolution nor according to his grounds do I think can be given a certain resolution whether the parent be such a one to whom the Covenant is whether he have that faith which may intitle his childe to visible Church-membership whether the immediate parents engagement be necessary or a remote parents engagement be sufficient whether the engagement must be open in the face of the Congregation or it be sufficient that it be done privately when it must be at Baptism or at some other time whether it need not be as o●● as he hath children to be admitted visible Church-members whether the baptizer may account him a visible Church-member whose parents are dead absent unable to come or to express their engagement and so baptize him which with many other doubt● would ●●●a●d the course of Ministers and people in their profane infant sprinkling if they did not with a blinde obedience rest on Mr. Bs. unproved dictates but searched after the truth considerately and impartially But I pass on 6. Saith Mr. B. hence I further argue thus I● Christ were much displeased with his Disciples for keeping infants from him then he took it as a part of their revealed duty that they should not forbid them But the former is true therefore the later Whence I further argue if it were the Disciples known or revealed duty not to forbid them to come to Christ then they must needs take it also for a revealed truth that infants in specie and not those numerical onely should not be forbidden to come for they could not know that those individuals should be admitted but by knowing that infants should be admitted But c. Answ. The conclusion of the former argument may be granted and yet the seque●e of the later argument denied For they might know it either by some particular sign from Christ or some particular instinct of the Spirit that it was their duty to permit those infants to come to Christ and yet not permit any more But saith Mr. B. Yea further 7. If it were the Disciples revealed duty to admit infants to come to Christ for this very reason because of such is the Kingdom of Heaven then it was no secret but a revealed truth that of such was the Kingdom of Heaven But the former is true For Christ would not be angry so much with them for not knowing that which was neuer revealed on for not admitting them when they had no means to know them to have right of admittance The consequence is evident the ●●for● and so 〈◊〉 follow 〈◊〉 that if it were then a revealed truth that of such is the Kingdom of Heaven then they were visible members of the Church For that sort of men that are known to belong to Heaven though it be not known of the individuals do visibly belong to the Church as I think none dare deny Answ. 1. According to their exposition who understand of such onely those that are like little children in affection and disposition and not of those particular little children then brought much more according to their exposition who by of such understand these individual infants and no other they might know those infants were to be admitted and yet have no knowledg of an universal rule for admitting● other infants at other times 2. But be it granted that not onely of those individuals but also of other infants is the Kingdom of Heaven yet I deny they were visible Church-members And for his proof I dare deny that which he f●ndly thinks ●●n● dare deny that they that are known to belong to Heaven 〈◊〉 visibly belong to the Church Abraham and 〈◊〉 and J●●●● are known to belong to Heaven yet I do not conceive do visibly belong to the Church And the same is true of all the spirits of the Just made perfect of elect infants ●●born J●●●s unce●led c. I know none ●●iung to the visible Church but such as sensibly have professed faith in Christ. Am●s Med. Th. l. 1. ● ●1 sect 24 25 26 27 〈◊〉 militant visibilis ●●su sc. vel sensu externo 〈◊〉 prae●ect 〈◊〉 Eccl. pag. 246 Ecclesia aliquando denominatur ab●iis q●● 〈◊〉 quaeque ●n sensum incurrunt Piscat ●●●or ●o● 19. 10. visi●il● appellatur quat●ru●●er●●s h●bet no●●● in oculo● 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Mr. B. himself Praefest in Morator sect 11. By visible I m●an th●● which is discernible by the understanding median●● sensu Therefore that sort of men that are known to belong to
believers not future But However saith he they may be Disciples who are are not outwardly taught Answ. Who denies it yet they must be learners of Christ in their own persons But then saith he a person may be baptized without personal profession Answ. It is granted when God supplies the absence of it by his revelation otherwise nor is this contrary to the Rule sith that is to baptise known Disciples who are ordinarily known by their personal profession though in this case Gods extraordinary act supplies that want Yet Mr. Cobbets saying is not right that neither extraordinarily nor ordinarily is any thing to be done which is in it self contrary to rule For Abrahams killing his son was in it self contrary to rule yet upon extraordinary command it was to be done And for the third though it might be conceived Christs minde that the children should be instructed though it be not mentioned Luke 18. 16 17. because it was a duty of perpetual equity by virtue of the moral Law yet baptising infants being a meer positive rite that hath no reason or warrant but institution is not to be conceived Christs minde without some declaration which he neither then when he had so fit opportunity nor at any time else expressed There are some more things in Mr. Cobbet censurable as that he makes the infants paterns as well of receiving the kingdom at least externally as of the affection and disposition with which it is to be received whereas ● the words Matth. 18. 3●4 do plainly make them paterns onely of humility and such good dispositions as are in children fit to be imitated 2. In Mr. Cobbets sense the words of Christ would be false whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little childe externally by an initial seal or some other visible sign as laying on hands c. shall not enter therein For then that Popish Doctrine or rather more rigid than Popish must be maintained that no unbaptized Martyr or other shall enter into the kingdom of Heaven And in like manner it is gratis dictum without proof sayd of such like infants like them in covenant and Church interest in God is his kingdom there being not a word in the Text that leads to this paraphrase and the plain meaning is before expressed That which Mr. Cobbet sayth in answer to the reason of Piscator Why they were not infants because Christ called them I conceive is not an answer For what he sayth that things ascribed to the children are rather to be understood of parents and he instanceth in Levi's paying Tyths in Abraham Heb. 7. is not right For 1. that which is sayd of Levi is to be understood of Levi not of Abraham for it were neither good sense nor to his purpose to say Abraham payd Tyths in Abraham 2. If things done by a parent and related by the Holy Ghost as mysterious passages are imputed to the children yet it is absurd to understand in an historical narration of facts that to be meant as spoken to the parents which was spoken to the children Other things I let pass which oppose not my dispute but others and what things he speaks in answer to my Objections and what concerns the answering the imaginary absurdities arising from our Doctrine in that chapter I refer to another place This is sufficient in answer to what he sayth in opposition to me about that passage Luke 18. 16 17. Dr. Homes in his Animad on my Exercit. pag. 57 58. argues thus To whom indefinitely as such Heaven and the blessing of and for Heaven belongs to them as such the seal of converance and confirmation of Heaven and that blessing belongs For if the Land be mine the Deeds and Seals of Conveyance are mine But Heaven and the blessing of and for Heaven belongs indefinitely to such little children more whiles little children so the Text here expresly To them belong or which is all one of such is the kingdom of Heaven and he took them in his arms and blessed them Therefore to little children indefinitely belongs the Seal of Conveyance or Confirmation of Heaven and the blessing of Heaven which in the New Testament according to the time Christ spake is baptism Answ. Neither is it true That baptism is the seal of conveyance of heaven and the blessing for it that I finde in Scripture but the Spirit Ephos. 4. 30. Ephes. 1. 13. 2 Cor. 1. 22. Nor is it true That heaven and the blessing of heaven belong to little children indefinitely as such that is as little children For then it should belong to all little children nor to them as children of believing parents for it should belong to all children of believing parents but as they are elect And to these I grant baptism belongs when they are called and believe not before as a conveyance may be made to a childe yet he is not to have it in his hands till he come to understand it and is fit to make use of it So that the major may be denied if the belonging of the seal be meant in respect of present use or possession And the minor is to be denied if as such be meant as little children or children of believers and the inference on the conclusion is denied the seal belongs to them Ergo baptism Other arguments of Dr. Homes are answered in my Apology pag. 102. though briefly yet sufficiently Nor hath Mr. Geree in his V●ndiciae Vindiciarum ch 10. brought any thing worth rejoyning in reply to my answer to his sixth argument in my Apology pag. 101 102. It is false which he saith in admitting to ordinances we proceed not upon judgment of certainty but charity nor is a judgment of charity grounded upon hope of what a person may be any rule to us in admitting to baptism For if so then hope of a profane persons amendment were enough to baptize him Mr. Baille●'s reasoning in his Anabaptism pag. 149. since imposition of hands a seal of Christs grace and blessing and of the Kingdom of Heaven belonged to infants that therefore baptism a seal of that same kinde when once the Lord had solemnely at his ascension appointed it to be the ordinary seal of initiation into his Church ought not to be denied to them is but dictates 1. He says baptism is a seal of the same kinde with Christs laying on hands which he saith without proof nor is it true For. 1. Christs laying on hands was an act extraordinary done by Christ himself as the great Prophet but baptism was an act of ordinary ministration not done by Christ himself but his Disciples John 4. 1 2. 2. Baptism was the duty of the baptized Acts 2. 38. not onely the baptizers but not so laying on hands by Christ. 3. If baptism be a seal of the same kinde with laying on of hands then laying on hands is a seal and a Sacrament of the same kind with baptism which is counted a point of Popery 2. To
the flesh that is being the childe of a believer by natural generation but that he deduceth their casting out of the Church from it and that the birth after the flesh is taken in the worser part as that which bringeth bondage not Church estate or Christian liberty nor doth birth after the flesh respect the descent from a believer but the bond-woman and that this birth is in the Antitype allego●ical and yet the Adverbs then and now are Adverbs of time and a history is related in both parts of the 29. v. of Gal. 4. Generally interpreters take the words even so it is now as meant of the Jews which cannot be true literally for they were not born after the flesh that is of bond-women but of free-women which were true Israelites or daughters of Abraham as Mr. B. here confesseth Mr. Bl. proceeds Secondly he sayth that I say such are in the bosom of the Church when the Apostle sayth they persecute the Church and are cast out I desire the Reader to consider if this had any truth in it whether it hold with greater strength for me or him They are cast out and therefore they were in is my Argument they are cast out and therefore were never in sayth Mr. T. 2. The Apostle sayth no such thing that they are cast out Ishmael was in the family when he persecuted though afterwards he was cast out of the family these are in the Church though in case they continue persecution they shall in fine be cast out now in present they have a being in it Answ. It is true that this was my second Exception against his gross perverting of the Apostles words even so it is now as if the meaning were that by virtue of being born after the flesh some infants to wit those that are born of a believing parent are in the bosom of the Church when the Apostle sayth 1. They persecute which cannot be meant of infants 2. In that they are born after the flesh they persecute the Church therefore he ascribes no privilege to them as accruing to them by the birth after the flesh but a cursed practice 3. That they persecute the Church therefore while born after the flesh they were not in the bosom of the Church that is the Church Christian visible 4. That they are cast out therefore not in the Church To the two first of these nothing is answered the consequence of the third is denied he supposeth they did persecute the Church and yet remained in which is most palpably false For this being apparently meant of the unbelieving Jews that sought righteousness by the Law and acknowledged so by Interpreters it is notoriously false that they were in the bosom of the Christian Church while they did persecute the Church yea Saul himself was not after his conversion taken in presently to communion with the Disciples at Jerusalem till they knew that he ceased to be a persecutor Acts 9. 26. so that the words even so it is now expounded as Mr. Bls. words intimate even so now by virtue of being born after the flesh that is by natural generation born of a believing parent there are some even infants that are in the bosom of the Christian visible Church as members of it and remaining in it do persecute the Church are so false and the Exposition so unsavoury that it is a wonder to me that neither Mr. Bl. nor the Prefacers to his Book take care to have it left out That which Mr. Bl. answers to the fourth thing in this exception is of like stamp 1. He sayth It follows not they were cast out therefore never in But my Argument is this they were by reason of their being born after the flesh cast out therefore not for this reason in the bosom of the Church 2. That it follows they are cast out therefore they were in which consequence I deny being understood of the Church Christian visible and the particular persons who are sayd to be cast out for they are sayd to be cast out not from what they had but from what they might have had or others had as Matth. 8. 12. it is sayd The children of the Kingdom shall be east out of the Kingdom of Heaven v. 11. in which others were and they not into outer darkness He sayth also The Apostle sayth no such thing that they are cast out but mentions a command of casting them out To which I replied As if Gods dictum were not factum if they were not cast out why doth the Apostle allege that Text My meaning was Gods speech of the casting out of Hagar and Ishmael was not a bare command but such as included a sentence and decree of God which he took course to execute and that the Apostle allegeth the Text not to prove a duty but to shew an event or fact of God For as the Apostle allegeth it the casting out is of the legal covenant and the children of it those that desired to be under the Law and their casting out is their rejecting from the inheritance of righteousness and being Gods people now this could not be any mans duty but Gods act determining and accordingly accomplishing this sentence that righteousness shall not be by the Law nor Justitiaries his people and therefore it is most absurd in Mr. Bl. to determine that some by virtue of being born after the flesh have a right to be in the bosom of the Church Christian when the Apostle determines they are for this reason rejected or cast out I had thirdly excepted against Mr. Bl. as making those that are born after the flesh Gal. 4. 29. Abrahams seed wherein he joyns with Arminius in calling them Abrahams seed who sought justice in the Law Mr. Bl. Vindic. Foed cap. 40. sayth I joyn with Arminius and that he follows Mr. Bayne For sayth he I interpret it of a natural seed that inherit outward privileges and never reach the birth of the spirit so Mr. Baines interprets it the children of the flesh here are those onely who in course of nature came from Abraham Baines on Ephes. 1. pag. 140. quarto Answ. It is true Mr. Bayne hath those words but yet he excepteth pag. 139. against Arminius as I do for calling legal justitiaries who are meant by they that are born after the flesh Gal. 4. 29. Abrahams seed For there he thus speaks Beside that though the sons of the flesh may signifie such who carnally not spiritually conceive of the Law yet the seed of Abraham without any adjoyned is never so taken It is true that Mr. Baines so interprets the term children of the flesh Rom. 9. 8. as Mr. Bl. hath cited him which place he meant by here but not the te●m he that is born after the flesh Gal. 4. 29. yea pag. 138. he saith For though children of the flesh in some other Scripture meaning Gal. 4. 29. doth note out justitiaries seeking salvation in the Law yet here Rom. 9. 8. the literal