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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A19459	A briefe ansvver vnto certaine reasons by way of an apologie deliuered to the Right Reuerend Father in God, the L. Bishop of Lincolne, by Mr. Iohn Burges wherin he laboureth to prooue, that hauing heretofore subscribed foure times, and now refusing (as a thing vnlawfull) that he hath notwithstanding done lawfully in both. Written by VVilliam Couell, Doctor in Diuinitie.	Covell, William, d. 1614?	1606 (1606)	STC 5880; ESTC S108879	108,616	174

necessitie or to conclude out of this care that the Church declyneth to a necessitie ouer rigorous and such as formerly was oppugned in our Church 2 Misconstrued the speech of the most reuerend father the now Lord Archbishoppe of Canterbury who as you say made no exception of Gods eternall purpose It cannot bee ignorance but want of charity which maketh you to misconster him thus seeing euen from that learned Deane who penned the whole conference you might haue collected what manner of necessitie was vrged by him his words are these which word Necessity he so pressed not as if God without Baptisme could not saue the childe but the case put that the state of the Infāt dying vnbaptized being vncertain to God only knowne but if it dy baptised there is an euident assurāce that it is saued What could be more religious agreeable to the doctrin of truth or more necessary in these presūptuous times wherin a Sacrament of so absolute necessity by practise of some is growen into such contempt which necessity if at any time wee haue denyed dealing with those of the church of Rome It is because ouerstrictly they bind frō the act done grace to the Sacraments as if none that receiue them could want it or none receiue that grace that do want them 3 False that the plac● of S. Iohn is not vnderstood of the Sacramēt of Baptisme which you seeking to shun least you shold magnify Baptisme ouermuch ought to take heed least you run into the contēpt therof the one being that wherūto al mē are inclined the other bringing lesse hurt to the church by a necessity ouer absolute which serueth but to make al men carefull not to neglect a thing of such institutiō so great vse whilst a fear to establish an absolute necessity bredeth by degrees a contēpt of that which is the only ordinary way into the church of Christ in heauē the only way into the church vpō earth And because the Iews had many rites which in a larger acceptatiō were called Sacramēts but in a strict acceptation as we only two to distinguish betwixt these the other it is added not without cause to the catechisme that there be two sacramēts as generally necessary to saluatiō noting that ours succeeding two of theirs Circūcision the Passouer retain a necessity as theirs more aboue the rest so that the intētion of our church being neither differing frō it self nor frō the doctrin of truth in this point you need neither feare by subscription to giue your allowance nor doubt least your subscriptiō might iustly be pleaded to a bad sence APOLOGY MY secōd exceptiō about the Sacramēts is to the interrogatories in Baptisme made to the child answered by the suretyes that this fashion was causlesly needlesly trāsferred frō those of years forerūners to Infāts free born in the church I hold with Beza Bullinger Zepper others yet thought it not vnlawful in this cōstruction namely that this professiō made in the childs name shold not import either such a distinct faith in the child which saith Austin were Insanus error or that the faith of the sureties should auaile the Infāt which the word reiecteth or that the sureties vndertook that the childe shal hereafter make good this profession which were Insana presūptio but that this profession was thus made by the mouthes of the Godfathers partly to admonish the vnderstāding congregation of that couenāt which Baptisme really inioyneth to euery Christian euen as the Prophet spake to the dead Altar to admonish liuing Ieroboam the Prophets as Chrisostom notes spake to the vnreasonable creatures to teach reasonable men how vnreasonable they were become and secondly to cast vpon the Godfathers a kind of charge with it an aduantage of calling vpon this childe when he came to yeares to knowe answere that stipulation of Baptisme which they made profession of as in his name whē he was Baptized to shew what he should haue done himselfe if he had bin of years in this sense I thinke it lawfull though perhaps too obscure and vnnecessarie But my Lord if the Catechisme which making Faith and Repentance that is the profession of Faith and Repentance necessary to those that are to be baptyzed proceeds to say that Infants perform this faith and repentance by their sureties If I say this intend as it doth insinuate a necessitie of such a profession to be made in the childes name before it might bee admitted to the Sacrament as I reiect that conceipt as an error fauoring this Anabaptisticall opinion that faith must fore-goe the Sacrament of Baptisme so I dare not subscribe to the practise so inioyned and intended and would wish it changed into that course that Bucer aduised ANSVVER IT seemeth there is a curious desire of reprehension in those men who are willing to reproue the practise of their owne Church for that which is a custome ancient necessarie and of much vse wherein wee reprehend not alone the disposition of such but wee are ready to let the world see that the things themselues are most innocent which they doe reproue Most of them are not yet come so farre as to deny Baptisme to Infants an arrour which may follow from their former opinions if they suffer Scisme to growe in them and humours to bee rules for conscience but they are ready to professe that there is no saith in the childe required to Baptisme and that to bee borne of faithfull Parents is as much for their admission into the Church as the profession of the faith which they make by the mouthes of others This as it is vnthankfull to spurne at the indulgence of the Church so it is a contempt of duety which God requireth on our part there is no attainment to life but through the onely begotten sonne of God nor by him otherwise then being such for beleefe as wee ought as if those Articles in the iudgement of God were set downe for all men first to subscribe vnto whom by Baptisme the church receiueth into Christs schoole and seeing no religion inioyeth sacraments the signes of Gods loue vnlesse it haue also that faith whereupon sacramēts are built could there as one well noteth which I am sory you obserued not before you stumbled at these doubts be any thing more conuenient then that our first admittance to the actuall receipt of his grace in the sacrament of Baptisme should be consecrated with profession of beleefe which is to the kingdome of God as a key the want whereof excludeth Infidels both from that and from all other sauing grace And howsoeuer we say with S. Austin that Infants haue not a present Actuall habit of faith yet they haue then the foundation of that wherupon afterward they build the first ground whereof was laid by the sacrament of Baptisme so that without any madd presumption as you tearme it we may say truly of

assured to be the blessing of our Land that then euen then there should be an increase both of papists and puritans as if both had discouered an extraordinary fauour to be showed to either but I can better satisfie my selfe in those of the church of Rome then in the other for all men in afflictiō which surely though not simply yet comparatiuely was their case are ouer apt to flatter themselues in all changes of a state that some thing will ease them but most especially then when they see fauours and mercies almost not denied to any But it is the distemper of euill humors that maketh false constructions or collections from a mercifull Prince Now for your selfe and others who inioyed your libertie fauour preferment and all other benefits with and beyond men of your owne time and perhaps of your owne worth yeelding your obedience and subscription to the gouernment and rites of this Church in the daies of Queene Elizabeth of famous memorie after a learned conference for satisfaction wherein the best and most Iudiciall that desired reformation yeelded after exceeding care and Zeale manifested in our dread Soueraigne after the most religious and sincere conuocation of the cleargie that euer was in this Church wherein the whole scope was a purer reformation of all that in manners and ceremonies wa● thought faultie now I say to refuse to subscribe whereas before you had often done it vpon some suspicious feare without cause that the intention of the Church was altered I wish you could as wel satisfie others and the whole flocke of Christ then committed to your charge as I can beleeue that you are perswaded that you satisfie your owne conscience A wife and tenne children are strong motiues but to flesh and bloud thinke I pray you and thinke seriously of Christs Church how many of her children as farre as in you lieth are frustrate of nourishment by your meanes and thinke that the ground of this losse eyther to your selfe or to the family of Christ is your owne want of conformitie which more iustly is to be lamented by how much more God hath blessed you with excellent giftes but I trust the Church shall neuer need their paines that loue not her peace nor desire them to speake that haue not yet learned to harken vnto her voyce APOLOGY I Now beseech your Lordship to remember that most of vs haue beene peaceable in Israell and that if some mens rashnesse draw reuenge vpon vs Aemilius hath faulted and Rutilius is beaten one Mardochey hath not stouped and all the Iewes must perish for it And say we cannot conforme in euerie poynt you know who said the varietie of Ceremonies did commend the vnitie of faith and would God you would thinke that our labour in the Church might doe more good in one yeare then the Ceremonies will while the world standeth and though in your wisedomes you thinke the retayning of them to make vnto the Churches increase and benefit is it vnpardonable that wee should thinke another course better haue not our men sought Chyna by the North-east and by the North-west passages Doe not some Physitions set vpon the Chollicke by cold medicines other by hotte the one Sedando the other Discutiendo Doe not maryners seeke the safety of the ship by perswading some to hoyse sayle others to strike it in a tempest And what though now you haue great aduantage ouer your poore brethren yet may it bee good Counsell which Hanno gaue vpon Hannibals victory that it should be vsed as occasion of making the better peace with the Romanes Cum pacem dare potius quam accipere possent O my good Lord will it not bee enough to keepe safe and well fenced your iurisdictions and persoall dignitie not enough to deuide the honors to your selues and labours to vs Is their no feare that vpon the casting out not of Caananites but borne Israelites at once which this subscription will doe for I know you are nothing neare the reckoning in your owne diocesse wyld beasts should multiply and deuoure the land pardon me if I prophesy that when all is done and the heat spent your lordship will finde some want of vs as did Alexander of Pa●meno King Henry the eight of his Cromwell and then perhaps either not a minde or not meanes to remedy that which might haue easily beene preuented In which your Lordships shall not be able to deuide eyther faults or comforts with vs seeng we as the Lord knoweth forbeare vpon the point of conscience your Lordships seeme to stand vpon tearms of your pleasures I say yours as perswaded that his excellent Maiesty would deny you nothing that you should ioyntly and earnestly seeke for the peace of the Church of God The Lord God direct your Lordship and your brethren as becommeth your great years learnings and functions as for me I shall pray alwaies for the Kings Maiestie and the state for you and the Church of God and henceforth striue to liue as an honest and peaceable priuate member of that Church in which I was not so happy as to stand a publike though honest and peaceable minister Your Lordships alwaies to commaund in the Lord IOHN BVRGES ANSVVER THere is no part of this whole Treatise which so vnwillingly I answere as this last wherein many things are vttered with so much passion as eyther our seueritie in replying must exceed the vsuall moderation which wee desire to hold or else we may iustly be suspected to betray the cause and the persons whom we should defend And therefore without any other answere we will only put you in minde of those harsh speeches which may peraduenture in this discontentment be agreeable to your fancie but are no way sutable to your cause nor verie well beseeming a man of your place First in these words I now beseech your Lordship to remember that the most of vs haue beene peaceable in Israell and that if some mens rashnes draw reuenge vpon vs Aemelius hath faulted and Rutilius is beaten one Mardochey hath not stouped and all the Iewes must perish for it Can you beleeue that your depriuation is a reuenge which some mens rashnes hath drawn vpon you Is the proceeding of the reuerend Fathers for the vnitie of the Church as if Aemilius had faulted and Rutilius should be beaten or can you in your own conscience compare it with the perishing of the Iewes for the not stooping of one Mardochey assure your selfe none of them are so transported with ambition nor so incensed with any particuler contempt offered vnto themselues which they could not easily haue remitted if their remissenesse in this had not hazarded the Churches peace And therefore doubt not but your selfe and others can well testifie that some of them haue dealt with your selfe and diuers in your case like fathers with their owne children leauing nothing vnattempted to reforme your opinion before they proceeded to giue sentence A dutie that lieth vpon their shoulders with