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A07811 A iust and moderate answer to a most iniurious, and slaunderous pamphlet, intituled, An exact discouery of Romish doctrine in case of conspiracie and rebellion Wherein the innocency of Catholike religion is proued, and euery obiection returned vpon the Protestant accuser, and his owne profession. With licence of superior. Broughton, Richard. 1606 (1606) STC 18188; ESTC S112914 49,079 64

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Catholikes doe not allow of aequiuocation where he is not bound to answer the Iudge or examiner proceeding vniustly and not according to law and equitie that a man in such case is not bound to answer at all if the question concerneth his life libertie or fame his Maiesty his honourable Councell and the Protestant Bishops haue consented Conference 14. Ianuar. 1604. vnto in the conference with Puritans whether he may aequiuocate or no they doe not mention but other Protestants as Cranmer Luther Caluin and others haue both taught and practised it as lawfull and so doe all English Puritans and most Protestants euen in religious businesse which all men of learning doe condemne as I will proue in this chapter For our excuse in this place and question Catholikes do generally agree that to aequiuocate before a competent Iudge such as we allow all Magistrates in England in temporal causes in as ample Cap. quacunque act 22. q. 5. Naurar c. 12. Numb 8. D. Thom. 2. 2. q. 89. act 7. ad 14. manner as if they were of our religion keeping the order of law is a mortall sinne so the canon law it selfe so Nauarre Saint Thomas and others teach And if it be defended by diuers Catholikes as Protestants also that in case of vniust and iniurious interrogatorie aequiuocacion may be vsed I desire to know against what vertue this discouerer can discouer this to be a sinne First it is not against iustice for wee supposed the interrogatory to be vniust then the iniustice is in the Iudge exceeding his commission and offering iniurie to the Respondent and not in him which neither contradicteth any law or offereth iniustice to him to whom no iustice belongeth in that cause Secondly agenst verity and truth it cannot be for the thing affirmed or denied is true in the sence of the Respondent as we still suppose and he is not bound to answer in other sence as before yea to aunswere in the sence of the iniu●ious examiner rather seemeth a breach of law and dutie with him then an obseruation thereof Therefore seeing as Saint Augustine writeth mentiri to lie is eontra ●entemire to goe against a mans minde and meaning there is neither lie vniustice or any sinne in this case but onely in the ex●m●ner there is vsurp●tion against the lawe and iniurie to the examminate and this doctrine of equiuocation in this sence is no late inuention The Sc●ipture telleth vs how Iacob told his father Isaac that hee was his first begotten Sonne Esau Gen cap. 27. Ierem. ● 38. ver 26. 27. which was not so in the sence of the Patriarke Isaac such aequiuocacion also the Prophet Ieremie vsed to the people when following the aduice of the King hee told otherwise then the truth in their sence one thing for another so the Scriptures affirme in diuers sences that Saint Iohn Baptist was E●ya● and was not Our Sauiour himselfe said to his Apostles he would not goe vp to Ierusalem and yet secretly he went he fained to his Disciples going to Emaus that he would go further Concerning the Popes dispensacion in oths when this discouerer can proue abuse in Catholike doctrin in such cases he shal haue further answer in the mean time he may vnderstand that meaner superiors then Popes may irritate the oaths and vows also of their subiects So the father may Gloss 32. q. 2. Mul●er 31. §. 34. Sa v. princeps §. 3. deale with his childe in diuers cases and other superiors of their subiects so temporall Princes may doe and also legittimate their children not legitimate as many teach so King Hen●y the eight both thought and practised with his daughters Queene Mary and Queene Elizabeth whom he had illegittimate and after declared the contrary and made them legittimate by statute Now I plainely answere to his proposition of breaking othes That all Catholikes of this kingdome both priests and others doe and ought sincerly to acknowledge his Maiestie to be as absolute and really true King of all his kingdomes and ouer all his subiects of what profession or calling soeuer as euer any Catholike King his predecessor was either of them iointly vnited or disioyned and that asmuch temporall dutie and obedience belongeth vnto him and in their degrees to his honourable Counsaile and inferior Magistrates concerning the affaires of Common-wealth and that among other duties to denie to sweare or violate an oath iuridicè iustly and according to course of law proposed and to equiuocate therin is a sinne damnable and that it is the error of Wickliffe and later Protestants to be of other minde But seing the internall cogitations of men only naturally knowne to God defiling the soule and not offensiue to externall peace and gouernment how wicked soeuer they be of their owne nature belong only to the consistory of God and internum forum we hope it will not be offensiue to entreat that the naturall consciences be not arrained in externall courts which the Pope himself doth not nor can doe especiallie where no crime can be obiected Nauarr c. 18. Num. 29. D. Tho. 2. 2. q. 6. articul 1. 2. Gaiet 16. cap. Quando de poenit d. 1. c. si omnia q. 1. c. 2. de maiorit obed cap. 2. de Confess Conference 14. 1604. pag. 92. where there is no such law ordained where not so much as a semi-plea probation or any accusation at all is precedent with the iudge or knowne to the conueuted And this is not only conformable to the lawe of nature conscience and canonicall proceedings euen allowed and practised in England but publikely confirmed by his Maiesty the Archbishoppe of Canterburie the Nobles and Bishops of this kingdome in the late conference The words of his Maiesty be Nemo cogitur detegere suam turpitudinem in such a case and that fame and scandall must be looked vnto with a condemning of the Statish protestants in that point The Archbishopps words be these If any article did touch Pag. ●● the party anie way either for life libertie or scandall he might refuse to answere neither was he vrged therevnto semblable was the consent of all And if this Rule was generall I hope Catholikes be not exempted As concerning interrogatories de futuris contingentibus first things hereafter to haue an vncertaine being conce●ne not a present certaine state secondlie the Angeiles themselues naturallie know them not thirdly the soule of Man is ignorant of them no creature doth by naturall science vnderstand them for all such knowledge is either by the obiect present that is not in this case or by the effect that is to come or by the cause which is here most vncertaine Therefore the examine of such things we intre●te may be left to God who onely in that sence is Scrutat or cordis and comprehendeth al causes more excellently then thems●l●es ●th●rwise it would be hard to descipher how he himselfe knoweth such things B●t to speake to this obiector concerning his
as his Maiestie is witne● vppon the Bible doe not disalowe the killing of a Prince in such cases And this is to bee perfect Protestant disciples of their Apostle Luther who taught no lawe can be imposed vpon Christians but as they will all humane lawes must be taken away Therefore saieth Caluin Beza Test●tr ordin Burg. in Reman sup edict Reg. Gall Petr. Frar or contr Sect. Defen● Reg. Relig. Athomannus Spiphazius and the rest of that holie Sinode that Kinges Queenes their children and post●ritie l●st Kinges a●●se againe and all Magistrates must be put to death and so euery particular Protestant must be more then a Pope an Emperour or rather a god to put Princes to death at their pleasute and we must say with the Consistorian Protestants not only ●uerie priuate man may be executioner of Princes but teach that it is necess●●ie to assigne rewardes for such murtherers of Rulers wee must not call them Kings or Superiours but Tirants Monsters and not worthy of life But more of this hereafter in their generall positions and practises The rest of the penal●ies which this Author alleadgeth as belonging Catholikes denie no temporall societie o● duety to Protestants to the excommunicate and such heretickes and which he writeth that Cat●olikes doe teach are due and to be extended vpon all Protestants of England be thus recited to spoile Protestants of their goods deny t●thes to the Ministers not paying debts to Creditors seruants not d●t●full to Masters wiues not beneuolent to Hu●bands Pare●ts dis-inhe●iting Children children not obeying P●rents kinsmen to kindred and countriemen to their Countrie to be vnkinde But I haue answered before that these societies are not to be denied to the Protestants of England because we doe not est●eme them in that case of heretickes and excommunicates Secondly the world is witnes for vs and against this Obiector that we as truly and sincerely performe these communications and respects to our country protestants as they them selues and rather in more ample manner And although Tithes be due to spirituall Ministers for Sacraments and holie thinges which we doe not receaue from them yet we doe not withdrawe Concil Const in artic Wickcliff their payment to the protestant Cleargie neither say as their martir Wickliffe did that they be but almes and may be taken awaie at princes pleasures Thirdly I answere that those canonicall punishments he citeth against the censured were not of purpose ordaind against his protestancy but the decrees of such proceedings may be great-grandfather to that Religion not now in vse either in this kingdome France Heluetia Sweueland Denmarke and most part of Germany or in farther circuit And if the penal constitutions of the generall Councell of Trent representing Pope Prelates Princes and the whole church of Christ are not yet after fourty yeares continuance receaued in the recited Prouinces or Kingedomes There is not so great daunger that those Papall paines will euer giue to this man so much cause of so outragious exclamations They were long before the birth of protestancie prouided for countries and people whence heresies had not entered not where such opinions haue preeminence And if it should please his Maiestie to restore the Catholike faith in England yet there is not perill that protestants should fall to such feares of these penall constitutions to be admitted penalties are not so soone imposed their nature is to be restricted and not dilated If so many other kingdomes vnder Catholike Regents Fraunce Sweueland Bohemia Polonia Transiluania c. doe not consent to their admittance This Iland one of the last by cituation and so long at variaunce with the Roman Church is not likelie to be the first in that wherein nature desireth to be the last We haue not now an other Queene Marie Inheretrix to the Crowne to be joyned in mariadge with a potent Prince in whose Dominions they be in force simbolizing with husband conformity in countrie discipline is neuer like to breed you scruples in this behalfe And yet in such a metaphisicall case nemo laeditur nisi à seipso though you haue anowed to be an heretike and excommunicate you must be cited and admonished before censure and obstinate before and after or else your daunger is not deadlie Thus I haue proued at lardge as my violent and distressed leasure would giue me allowance that the chiefest building of all these slaunders against vs is ruinate and ou●rthrowne that we doe not esteeme all Protestants for heretickes and excommunicate as he pretendeth neither that they are subiect to such penalties as he alleadgeth that they are not censured or as such to be depriued of any ciuill societie communication their goodes liues liberties dignities honor homage fealtie subiection dutie loue or any thing pretious their proper and peculiar but contrariewise to enioy and possesse those priueledges in as ample manner and freedome as if they were of the same Religion which we defend Answer to the first Reason Now I will with breuitie answere to his particular pretended reasons grounded vpon the generall before confuted And first to his first Sillogisme or rather Sophisme the maior proposition whereof is already ouerthrowne and only requiring repetition is as followeth They who by their slaunderous doctrine make all Protestants in their common censure heretickes so odious and unworthy of any ciuill or naturall society must necessarily be adiudged seditious and intollerable among the Protestants My answere is absolute before that no learned Catholike so reputeth the Protestants or any one Protestant of this kingdome but attributeth or ought so to do by his Religion as much terrene honor homage duty and loue to our King his honorable Counsaile and all in Authority in their degrees and vnfeined affection to the rest as if they were of the same faith and profession in Religion Then the minor proposition if the same medium be kept must needs be false which is this But the Romish Seminaries and Iesuites doe brand all Protestants with detestable crimes thereby to deny them all ciuill and naturall Respects Ergo. I answer If the first part of this second proposition be vnderstood of the wickednesse of many English Protestants not only condemned of their brethren Admonit 1. 2. Parliam perit 1000. Minist Cartw. against I. W. Puritanes but by themselues confessed and their owne lawes so conuicted it proueth them for such but proueth not sedition but true and loyall dealing in Catholikes which doe not say with Protestants masters and martirs Wickliffe and Husse and their brothers Concil Con●● i● Wickl artic Io. Husse c. Waldensians that wicked men in Magistracie be deptiued of Rule and Iurisdiction but against their owne fellowes in profession defend their offices power authority and preeminence If the Discouerer will haue the force of this proposition to remaine in the later sentence thereby to denie them all ciuill and naturall Respects It is both vnproperly spoken and slaunderously obiected against Catholikes which