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A12923 The triall of the supremacy wherein is set fourth ye unitie of christes church milita[n]t geue[n] to S. Peter and his successoures by Christe and that there ought to be one head bishop in earth Christes vicar generall ouer all hys churche militant: wyth answeres to the blasphemous obiections made agaynste the same in the late miserable yeres now paste. Standish, John, 1507?-1570. 1556 (1556) STC 23211; ESTC S100970 78,260 315

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which Paule in the former text to the Romaynes dothe declare and Peter also bidding al to be subiecte to kinges and other c. euerye one to his superiour or to whom he is subiect by lawe or ordre And this both Peter and Paule commaunde for y ● ther were some which thought but falsely that christes law was so free that if seruauntes came ones there vnto they shoulde be no more bounde to their maysters y t al christiās were clerely deliuered from al Heathē authoritie and duties doinge But agaynste these Paule biddeth all be subiect obediēt to authoritie power and obserue and kepe all ciuil ordres there where thei as subiectes do inhabite And this to be referred as well to the clergye as to the laytye The .xxvi. obiection Be ye subiect to kinges and other c. ¶ The aunswere This is sufficiently aunswered vnto in the laste responsion ¶ The .xxvii. obiection He that doth not renounce forsake al that he hath can not be my disciple c. ¶ The aunswere This is not onely to be obserued of the clergie but also of all christen people that is to saye that none ought to prefer any thing to christ or loue any thinge aboue him but in comparison therof crye fye vpon all Thus our sauiour hym selfe doth expound it sayinge he that loueth father or mother c. more then me can not be my disciple ¶ The .xxviii. obiection Phocas themperour more then .500 yeares after Christe ordeyned y e see of Rome to be the head see Yea and Saynct Gregory then bishop there refused to be called the vniuersal Bishop ouer all other Bishoppes c. ¶ The answere Againste the wicked which wēt about craftely and proudly contrarye to Christes ordre to haue sette vp other sees eyther aboue or els not to be subiecte to Peters see at Rome Phocas the●perour and lōge before him Constantine did make lawes to establishe Peters see geuen him by Christe whiche see by worldlye power and schismatical counsels then did seme to haue bene in daunger notwithstanding Christes promisse that hel gates should not preuayle agaynste it that is to laye neyther infidelitye heresye nor schismaticy And these establishinges of the see of Rome by Emperours lawes to be chiefe and heade and al other sees yea al christē mē to be obedient hereunto was euē as Nabuchodonoser king of Babilon seinge the wonderous miracle of preseruing the iii. men lyinge in the hote fournes did make a law that there was no god but the god of Sidrac Misac Abedenago that who so blasphemed against him should dye Here in Nabuchodonoser did nothing els but establyshe that whiche he sawe throughe miracle by god him selfe to be required of all men and so likewise these good emperours did nothinge els here in Peters seat but vp holde that whiche was geuen by christe him selfe from the beginning Now to y t of s Greg ▪ howe he refused to be called the vniuersall bishop c. So it is that one named Iohn thē bishoppe of Constantinople dyd greatly striue to haue had his seate chiefe aboue Peters contrarye to Christes ordynaunce and wrote hym selfe the vniuersall bishoppe but S. Gregory then bishoppe of Rome Peters successour gretlye withstandinge that wicked man and moste godlye defendinge Peters authorytye amonges other thinges sayeth that neyther Peter nor any of his successours euer wrote him selfe the vniuersall bishoppe whyche had bene to haue taken awaye quite all honoure sayeth he from all other bishoppes for he hauynge all nothing had bene left behind ▪ And therefore Sayncte Gregory him selfe wrote as al the holy bishoppes of Rome haue done euer since Gregorye the seruaunt of the seruauntes of god c. And herein he folowed the example and biddinge of Christe whyche was that as he came to serue and not to be serued so woulde he all his the higher they were so muche more humble and meeke euer to be Notwithstanding almoste euer since Peters time till Sayncte Gregorye came the heade bishoppes in the see of Rome wrote theym selues Byshoppes of the vniuersall churche of Christe but not vniuersall Bishoppes as appeareth by Sixtus the fyrste Theophilus Stephanus with manye mo So that it moste euidentelye appeareth that they falselye do lye whych saye that by Phocas or by Cōstantine the see of Rome was made chyefe and heade and not before so taken But yet herin to speake a litle further some affirme that Peter of humilitye and all euer after euen Sayncte Gregorye and other refused to be called the vniuersall Byshoppe but yet euerye one of theym was the vniuersall Bishoppe Yea and sayncte Gregorye him selfe affirmeth that by this texte Pasce oues fede or gouerne myshepe cure charge ouer y e whole church was geuen by christ to S. Peter being prince of all the apostels Was he not then the vniuersal bishoppe the chiefe and the heade Saincte Gregorye of humility to auoyde ambitiō refused to be called the vniuersall or generall bishoppe neuertheles he was y e head and chiefe of all And therfore he neyther would nor ought suffer the bishoppe of Antioche to be called the vniuersal bishop Moreouer we maye thinke y t that holy councell of Calcedon would not haue willed sayncte Gregorye to be called the vniuersall bishop if the holy ghost had not that willed yea and that according to gods worde ¶ The .xxix. obiection Constantine themperour did call the councell at Nicen and was chiefe therein ¶ Thanswere Constantine that holy emperoure beinge moste feruent in Christes true religion to destroye the damnable heresie of Arrius at the appoyntment of the spirituall fathers not as by his owne authoritye ●oke the payn to gether the councel together and then laste of all placed him selfe in the councel y ● yet with licence to be there among them first obteyned of the a●d holy fathers And euen so the councelles of Ephesime ▪ Constātinopolitane and ●al●edō holye emperors were ●oūtedto cal being only therin but ministers executors of y e bishops will counsellours a●ders and defenders with the swearde ¶ The .xxx. obiection Agatho bishop of Rome in whose time was the .vi. generall councel sent to the emperour beinge at constantinople to haue his election allowed before he would be consecrate And this accordinge to the ordre then accustomed so did Vifalianus and S. Gregory also as it is in the .63 dist in the chapiter beginning Agatho ¶ Thanswere The time was when neither the heade bishop y e bishoppe of Rome nor other bishops were chosen withoute the consente not onelye of the Emperoure and the magistrates but also not w tout the consēt of the multitude of the comen people And this the clargye thoughe it was theyr onelye office to chose did then suffer yea then greately desired y t it so mighte be partelye to the intente that agaynst the wicked agaynst tyrannye they mighte the rather be defended with the temporall sword and
hitherto ¶ The .60 obiection The pope wil suffer princes to kisse his fete so honor him but thangel would receyue no such honour of s Iohn as ye rede in thappocalips twise ¶ The aunswere As for y t of thaūgel s Iohn he ring before how y t y e angel had sayd vnto him as in the persō of Iesus christ speaking Ego 〈◊〉 alpha et omega I am y e firste and the last thought him to be god therfore would haue geuē vnto hī gods honor whych thangel iustly forsoke Also the aungel seing Christ incarnate mās nature so highlye exalted could not abide to haue mā to honor him thoughe it were but onlye with the honor due vnto a creature where as before in thold testamēt thāgels oftimes suffered men to honor them What maketh this then for your purpose for sothe nothīg at al. But now to answer to y e kissing ye speake of Iesus Christ came not to breake any order nor to pul kīnges authorites powers frō them nor to make thē subiectes Neuertheles thꝭ we must thīke to be true y t a king cōmeth not to christ to hꝭ church or to y e minister vnder christ as a king or bycause he is a king but as a christenmā bicause he is a christen man And in y t respecte of hꝭ cōming hūbling him selfe as a liuely member of Christes spiritual kingdō his diademe hꝭ Princelye crowne or worldlye scepter is not thought vpon Thus a kinge cōmeth to y e aulter to offer kissing y e pristes phamel in his hād kneling downe or making low curtousy kneling also to receiue absolucion at the priestes hād being but hꝭ chaplayne This gere a Kinge or Prince would not willingly w t al humility doe as experience sheweth thei doe ī dede if ther were not a further cōsideratiō in the matter And euen y e lyke answere is to be made vnto y e kissing of the shoe ye speake of where as al godlines humility may be in both the parties y ● one in doing his duety with al subiection euen as to Iesus christ thother in receyuing as christes vicar y t due reuerence being at y e same tune the more humble meke in hert beholdynge on thone side his owne frailty vnworthines and on thother syde thautority high power of christ his spowse ¶ The .61 obiection S. Peter the .x. of thactes would no● 〈…〉 Cornelius to honour 〈…〉 the pope wyl all men to 〈…〉 hym ¶ The ●●●●were Sumwhat is aunswered here vnto in the last responsiō but yet further to speake Cornelius there as to Peter him selfe with out further consideratiō would haue exhibet such great adoracion which Peter wyth al humility then refused yea as some authors affirme it was godlye honour whiche Cornelius there as of symplyty not of iniquyty would haue geuē vnto Peter which he iustly forsoke saying I am a man as y u art c. Moreouer then in the beginning thinges were not established they were but rawe not come to theyr perfection Wold ye therfore haue them so to haue cōtinued style Should the babe or childe still cōtinue in infancy should it neuer learne to vnderstād speak or go ¶ The .62 obiection In times past the pope did sucke out of this realme by auarice insaciable īnumerable sūmes of money yearely to the great exhausting of the same Therfore awaye with him let him haue no more a do here ¶ The aunswere God which of his liberal goodnes sēdeth al y t we haue neuer causeth pouertye for payinge our duties ▪ Howe pore the realme hath bene y t dayly more more since y e smal duties iustly payed to Rome smal I say y ● most truely if they be cōpared to y e intollerable exactions rauenously extorted since wer lafte of how riche wealthy it was before euery man may easely see y t al was the verye hād and plage of god Let vs pay to all y t we ough y t w t a frāke hert we shalbe neuer the porer for paying our duties God sendeth al and y t most liberally to al such as w t godlines indeuor thē selues to do theyr duties in al thīges But as for y e wicked y e oppressers w tholders of duytes he iustly withdraweth hꝭ liberal hād frō thē sēdīg oft great plages vpō thē y t wōderfully farre cōtrari to al their expectaciōs I remember I heard ī a sermō at Paules about y e time abbeis were suppressed a man of great and high authority say these wordes in effect Good people be not offēded w t putting downe of abbeis but cōsider y e manyfold cōmodities ye shal receiue therby In times past y e crown of Englād was if I might be so bold to speake saith he but a beggerly crowne here after it shall be a crowne emperiall In times past oh howe many taxes fiftenes lones subsidies c. haue ye payed Hereafter you shall neuer paye more In tunes past fish whitmeat could not come abrod for being supersticiosly deuoured in abbeis and religious houses but here after all this gere shall be most plentiful c. Consider now these .iii. lies consider the successe euer since consider the oppression and not paying the small dueties I spake of and crye the hand of god vpon vs the hand of God vpon vs all these miserable yeares before the Quenes comming whose reigne Iesu lōge prosper ouer vs. The .63 obiection The pope hath by him selfe and his adherentes since he his authoritye was put fourth of this Realme gone about to stirre vp al christiā nacions against vs to destroye vs with the swerde and hath cursed vs c. cā he then be gods seruaūt should we regarde any suche doth not good abhorre y e sowers of discorde be not the sterers to murther the children of the deuel god is not god of dissencion but of peace saith Paule ¶ The answere The Pope hath stil vsed for our cursinges to surrēder blessinges and for oure blaspheminges againste him hath stil made supplicacions and moste earnest prayers to God for vs that we might haue grace to returne agayne into Christes flocke whyche now thankes be to Iesus christ and Quene Mari we haue obteined How be it I beleue y t we ought oure selues if we be catholyke rather to haue desired vtter destructiō of our bodies beīg inuadyd w t foren enemies enemies to our scisme heresy but louers to our soules to haue said lord helpe y e innocēt lorde saue our soules lord reuēge vs deliuer vs frō scisme by fire or sworde c. rather I saye thē to haue stil cōtinued ī scisme in errors in heres in obstina blindnes daily ꝓceding for so they termed it in darkenes wadinge stil further further toward y e deuil death hel dānatiō Yea may not y e praier of the holy