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A76085 The second part of that book call'd Independency not Gods ordinance: or the post-script, discovering the uncharitable dealing of the Independents towards their Christian brethren, with the jugglings of many of their pastors and ministers, to the misleading of the poor people to the detriment of their own souls, and the hurt both of church and state, with the danger of novelties in religion; proving that Independency, is one of the most dangerous sects, that ever appeared in the world, since mortality inhabited the earth. In the which also there is a satisfactory answer given to the principall cavils of him that writ that railing pamphlet, stil'd The falshood of Mr Will. Prynnes Triumphing in the antiquity of popish princes and parliaments. With Doctor Bastvvicks just defence against some calumnies in way of preface. / By John Bastvvick, Dr in Physick.; Independency not Gods ordinance. Part 2 Bastwick, John, 1593-1654. 1645 (1645) Wing B1069; Thomason E287_9; ESTC R200091 93,218 111

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then it agreeth with their tenents and humours And howsoever publickly they seem to say something in defence of it yet privately and upon all occasions they slight it yea and bid defiance to it as all their rayling Pamphlets and words deeds proclaim and make the power and authority of the Magistrates when they exercise it for the suppressing of novelties a meer tyranny and persecution as many could witnesse if they would take the office of Informers upon them for they are not the men they were in the beginning of the Parliament for then they seemed highly to magnifie the authority and power of the Parliament and appealed unto it and did very good service in promoting the publick good but now they say they are afraid it will prove but an Arbitrary government and be more tyrannicall then that of the Prelates and all the other unjust Courts professing that they had thought they should by their meanes have enjoyed the liberty of their consciences this it seems they fought for their own ends which they so much condemne in others but now they well perceive that they go about to establish a Presbytery which to the poor Saints they are afraid will prove more tyrannicall then the government of the Bishops and therefore now many of the Independents that were very zealous at the first in the quarrell of the Parliament as it was their duty to be are very cold and have not only cast away their armes and detract their obedience but can at pleasure speak against the pressing of men for that service and professe that is not lawfull to force men to fight and that it is unlawfull to fight for Religion I conceive they mean any Religion but their own for they have been heard say yea they have frequently bragg'd of their party and protested that they would make hot work before the Presbyterians should have the day and such like stuffe they vent in every corner to the deterring of many from their duty which they are bound unto by the Law of God Nature and all Nations and for which there be many presidents in holy Scripture and many fearfull threats and judgements denounced against such as deserted their Brethren in affliction and great and fearfull punishments have been imposed upon those that came not out to aide their Brethren when they went against the enemies of their countrey whether they were forein or intestine and all to teach us not to decline from our duty upon the like occasions But that any man that hath but any ordinary understanding should speak against the pressing of men it is a wonder to me to hear it for if they ever had read the Scriptures with judgement and knowledge or were but acquainted with the Histories of all Ages they may finde it ever hath been the practice of the people of God as well as of the Heathen to force men out of all their Tribes and Families to go to war against any enemy and that they that neglected their duty being summoned to it were counted enemies and were severely punisht for it and made examples to others for their disobedience and there were none exempted from the war by Gods own appointment that had strength and abilities to fight but new married people and base Cowards and indeed to all such God gave a dispensation for a time as till the one for a year had rejoyced with his Wife and till the other had got the spirit of courage and a more brave and valiant resolution but all others if they would not voluntarily come out were forced to it or punished for their neglect and for ought I know all Christian Magistrates have the same authority still under the Gospell that they had under the Law And truly to my poor understanding there is none that can go more comfortably to fight for their countrey then they that are prest if I were to go upon any such imployment I should with ten times more alacrity goe into the war being prest or call'd to it by the State then if I were a meer Volunteere though I have ever though Volunteeres brave and gallant men and worthy of great honour for their good service and have counted such as would neither by force nor freely put themselves upon publike imployment on the one side or on the other especially if they had able bodies the most basest cowardly fellows in the world and men unworthy the Protection of either King or Parliament or to enjoy the very benefit of the ayre they breath in And without doubt they are the veriest cowards upon the earth howsoever they may vapour in a drinking-school Yet I say those that go out as prest men have in all respects a more warrentable calling and wherein if they keep themselves from the sins and pollutions that are too frequent in Armies they may both fight and dye with all cheerfulnesse for in so doing they are in their calling and may challenge pitty and compassion from all and maintenance also and support if they be wounded and by it made unable to get their livings for themselves and for their families as long as they live for they have been the servants of the State and imployed by their speciall command and if they be taken prisoners the state ought to exchange or ransome them or else it will be their dishonour Whereas if they be meerly Volunteers though they do their duty in so doing and shall have the honour of it if they be hurt wounded or captivated yet the world is wont to say Who required these things at your hands what call had you to this imployment And all men generally will condemn such and it was not long since objected to a gentlewoman whose husband was taken prisoner in the war and that in a very Lordly and imperious manner by an Independent Minister What call said he had your husband to take Armes could not he have followed his own imployment Thus did this domineering Independent vapour over men in distresse who himself was never guilty of either learning or humanity or fit for any thing but to make a faction being a meer cow-baby coward and one that ran away as being more afraid of the bishops when they were in power then he was of God or the devill and yet this mounsier could superciliously demand of this Gentlewoman what call her husband had to take Armes And as this Independent so commonly all men for the most part slight Volunteers in their distresses especially if they desire their ayde which they do not only ordinarily refuse but deterre others from doing them any good saying that such men put themselves out of Gods protection in as much as in them is when they leave their callings and thus those grolls babble as if a man had not a sufficient call if he sees his neighbours house on fire to leave his shop to go out to help quench it I Such kinds of Puffoysts as these that abuse Volunteers I leave them