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A51253 An antidote against the spreading infections of the spirit of Antichrist, abounding in these last days under many vizors being a discovery of a lying and antichristian spirit in some of those called Quakers ... in relation of what passed in writing between them, and Thomas Moore, Junior, after and upon occasion of a meeting at Glentworth, with the sum of what was discoursed at that meeting also ... / by Tho. Moore, Junior. Moore, Thomas, Junior.; Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1655 (1655) Wing M2597; ESTC R6849 119,742 126

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but took it in writing as matter of accusation against me shewing what Generation you are of such as ever sought accusation against the Son of God where hee is manifest to salvation but who are ignorant of his salvation could never bear the confession of his name And when I confessed the flesh of Christ your carnal reason stormed at it like the blind Jews saying How could I have his flesh in me which one of you after confessed too when he saw the letter declared of it so that further than your carnal reason can read in the l●tter You will not beleeve what a Generation would you have been had you lived in the times of the Apostles who preached down Circumcision Temple and Sacrifices without such things as the letter said should continue for ever yet they preached them down without and confirmed them within in spirit which is the ground and bottom of all and in which all must end And that the word which became flesh which is ascended they knew to be the Bread of life which they broke and fed on who was their Rule and Mediator But the ground of your Faith is seen and what testimony you bear who say The Scripture is the absolute rule and medium of Faith as thou Thomas Moore didst before the people And when I asked thee if God could not give Faith without it then thou wast forced to deny what thou hadst said But such Doctrine as this thou makest people beleeve who are ignorant and not able to try thy spirit Oh shame with thy preaching If the Scripture be the absolute Rule and medium then Christ is not the absolute Rule unless thou say the Scripture is Christ And thus thou not knowing Christ to rule thee thou settest the letter in his stead for the Rule of Faith But of Abrahams Faith thou are not nor knows it who had an absolute Rule before the Scripture was But this Doctrine excludes all from faith who have not the letter so thou that art a Minister of the Letter preachest another Rule and Faith than ever any of Christs Ministers preached who preached the Word and Faith in the heart of them to whom they preached and Christ in them who is the absolute Rule and ground of Faith and the Law written in their hearts and the Spirit of Truth their rule and guide into all truth and the light in their hearts which gave them the knowledge of God and his glory which never was known by the letter without and Christ saith the Kingdom of God is within you which the Pharisees durst not deny Rom. 10. 8. Hebr. 8. 10 11. Joh. 16. 13. 2 Cor. 4. 6. Luk. 17. 20 21. But thou art more brazened against the truth and wouldest exclude God out of his Kingdom and perswade all thou canst not to look for him within but without lo here lo there But Christ saith Go not forth to such Teachers and thou art found to be one of those he forewarned of and in that work he foretold of which is against him and with the same spirit thou art seen to be an enemy to his Appearance who is the eternal life of his people which is not without the knowledge of God in his Temple for death reigns in the creature where God is not present and this word of Reconciliation thou withstands and all that are led by thee will have cause to curse thee when it is too late and time is spent to no purpose and the day of visitation passed over And from the immediate call which I witness wherewith I am called I do testifie against thy false Doctrine who denies That any have been immediately called since Christ ascended onely those who saw him bodily upon earth and when I instanced Paul thou saidst he saw Christ personally with his bodily eyes when he was called And when I said then must he be come personally again since he ascended then thou saidst Paul was in Heaven and saw him there with bodily eyes when the Scripture saith he was fallen to the earth and saw no man with his bodily eyes being blind three days and such confused stuff thou utteredst forth to uphold thy lyes wherewith thou keepest blind people in Babylon but with the light thou art comprehended thy ground root off-spring and end praised be our Redeemer for ever and in thy paper thou tellest of his seeing Christ after the same manner the other Apostles did Then must it either be bodily upon earth or the other went bodily into Heaven to be called both which are yet unproved by plain Scripture And thy implying is no ground for me to beleeve that which I know is alye and here thou art found preaching another Gospel which no plain Scripture will warrant and all that know God in them sees thee acoursed and thy Antichristian Doctrine who denys the Father and the Son and fellowship with them who hath spoken to his people in all ages and does at this day where the ●ar is circumcised but the serpents seed could never hear him whose ears are open to that wisdom yet canst thou not be content to speak thy own condition but in thy busie mind wouldst exclude others and this is thy work to shut up the Kingdom and deceive the Nations that are without but we are entered and the Elect is witnessed which cannot be deceived and we know him that is in us and we in him onely they who will not own the light such are made to be deceived and over such onely hast thou dominion for a season But thy time is coming to an end that makes thy rage great And thou are forced to utter what testimony thou bearest such as none of Christs ever preached That God is not known in his people Is this thy word of Reconciliation and to what must they be reconciled if not to God And how must they all be taught of God if they must never hear his voyce more but thy Ministry begets not such children nor such sheep thou knows not but opposes who have seen him and heard him such thou callest false witnesses so thou appearest to be a witness to that which thou hast never seen and many such witnesses there are in the Nation who preach up separation instead of reconciliation which pains might be spared amongst them you preach to all having that by nature but that the Devil fears his Kingdom which is onely upholden by ignorance of God in his people whose eyes are blinded but whose eyes are open and have seen him bear witness of him and what we have seen and heard we declare against all false witnesses who have nought but by hear-say from others who have eyes and see not ears and hear not a heart that doth not understand who knows not the spiritual man his eyes and ears and so judge of God to be like themselves as thy companion did say That God had neither eye nor ear nor heart and thus with your carnal imaginations you will judge of
I would stand to It is true thou toldst me then I was a lyar in disowning what thou wouldest charge on me but thou wast a single witness to that and when I left that to the people thou hadst from one of them viz. Mr. Wray a sober and Christian answer to this purpose as ● remember That the end of that meeting he thought was not to catch at and strive about words and although to his remembrance what I had said about Gods being manifested in the flesh was to that purpose and in like expressions in which I had then again repeated and delivered it yet if some could not be satisfied but that some expressions did fall from me that might in their apprehensions carry more in them than I would stand to or own as my sence of them yet then he thought it reasonable that I should have that Christian liberty my self to explicate my sense of them and meaning in them that I would stand to and no more charged on me as my saying And this liberty likewise he desired you should have and I think you needed it and had it when you said The Judgement after death was past in you and yet after explicated your meaning That you was past the danger of it though the last nothing near comes up to the first But James Thou hast in thy jangling about this and in such other catching at and strife about words and in thy slanders clearly manifested to them that will not shut their eyes that thy intention in that discourse was to endeavor any way thou couldst to subvert the people from understanding what we had propounded to be reasoned about concerning the essence of Christ what it is whether something essentially in many persons or one person distinct from all other persons and if one person granted then whether in the works done in his own body in his Incarnation Death Resurrection and Ascention there was and so remaineth in him in our nature in that his own body by vertue of those works so finished in it the onely and abiding vertue for the taking away of sin or is the vertue for that also chiefly or at all in some other work or works done in other persons And about his Second Appearing and the glory then to be revealed whether that be to be waited for by all beleevers all the time of this mortality or made in or to any in this day I perceive it did not please thee that hath pleased the Father that in all things he should have the preheminence in whom onely dwels the fulness of the Godhead bodily and so communic●bly in its influences Thou hadst surely done more fairly if thou hadst let the people know that thy intention was to make a nullity or a type shadow or figure of that person Jesus of Nazareth and of those works done and finished in his own body in which himself bore our sins to the tree and was raised and glorified or at least to make thy self and others his equals in all those manifestations of God in him as Korah Dathan and Abiram would have dealt with Moses and Aaron in those things in which they were eminent Types of him and did they not indeavor it with thy pretence All the Congregation is holy and the Lord is among them Num. 16 3. and as those foretold of Jude 11. 2 To thy second Slander That I denied Christs being in them mentioned Collos 1. 27. and 2 Corinth 13. 5. to bee Gods being in them Surely James Either the spirit by which thou art immediately guided is very forgetful or else thou art very confident of my forgetfulness and presuming on that art not affraid to alter thy own charges as oft as thy thoughts alter about the advantagiousness of the manner of laying them I remember thou didst charge me before with something of this nature but then in these expressions That I denyed Christ to be God and the life of Christ being manifested in the flesh to be Gods being manifested in the flesh And this thou saidst I did in giving this Answer to that Scripture 2 Cor. 4. 10 11. That the life of Jesus might be manifest in our mortal flesh viz. That that was not God this was thy Charge and now it is thus much altered That in answer to those two other Scriptures Col. 1. 27. 2 Cor. 13. 5. I said That was not God in us To thy Charge in both formes I shall Answer so far as to discover thy falsity First to the first My Answer to that 2 Cor. 4. 10 11. was this though I well remember I was cut off by thee in the midst of it and thou wouldst not let the people hear it that that Scripture saith not That God was manifested in their mortal flesh bu● that he might be In which answer is fully granted that in the life of Jesus being manifested in their mortal flesh God is or may be said therein to be truly manifested But that which is denied in that Answer is That that Scripture speaks of that as a thing now done in them that which was now done and manifest in their body was death unto which they were daily and always delivered that the other might be That the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body in our mortal flesh he doth not say it now was in the time of this mortality but that it might be so in this flesh that now was mortal For if in it we suffer with him even in the same body we shall also reign with him and be glorified together And when thou didst charge me with this next day I b●gan to give thee this Answer forementioned it is true thou wouldst not suffer me to speak out my Answer nor the people to hear what was spoken either day But I almost think thou didst perceive what my Answer was and would have been and that it would have been too many for thee to overthrow and therefore was angry with it in its first appearance and would not let the people understand what it was but presently stopt my mouth and their ears with reproaches and slanders I had in my thoughts this twofold Answer to have given to your abuse of that Scripture if I could have obtained but humane civility from you 1 That already mentioned viz. That the Text saith not That the life of Jesus was manifested in their mortal flesh now while mortal But that they was delivered to death now always that that might be and when and wherein they expected that should be fully accomplished is clear in that which follows vers 13 14. We also beleeve and therefore speak knowing saith he that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall also raise us up by Jesus and shall present us with you they shall not one prevent another in that And that phrase That the life of Jesus might be manifested in our mortal flesh doth no more signifie that that life of Jesus shall be fully manifested
and of mens crucifying the Son of God to themselves Heb. 6. 6. so said you he is crucified for sins and made to bear sins by the wicked every day The gross abuse of which Scriptures as brought to such a purpose is easie 1 These Scriptures speak of it as an act of men to make him so Yee have made me to serve with your sins ye have wearied me c. Isa 43. 24. Mal. 2. 17. They have crucified the Son of God to themselves and put him to an open shame Heb. 6. 6. But in that one appearing in which he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself no man had any hand in making him to be sin or to bear our sin or to be an offering for it man sinned and occasioned so his necessity of such a Sacrifice but he could do nothing to the imputing his sins to or laying them upon Christ or preparing himself such a Sacrifice though men had a hand in crucifying him in that one body yet they did it not nor could do it for our sins or to prepare themselves such a propitiation and sacrifice in him but for his bearing witness to the truth therefore they buffetted him scourged and crucified him But it was the Father that imputed to him and laid on him the iniquities of us all and delivered him to that shameful death of the cross for our offences This was the only work of God and is marvellous to behold he made his soul an offering for our sin he made him to be sin and a curse for us And the Son he willingly offered himself to bear our sins in his own body Isa 53. 9 10. Rom. 4. 25. and 8. 32. Heb. 9. 26. c. and 12. 2. Psal 118. 2 These Scriptures speak of such things or actions done by men as tend directly to their utter destruction which indeed is only of mens selves they having wearied him in the sense of those Scriptures God left them and did therefore because of their so wearying him pour out his fury c. Isa 1. 14 15. Jer. 6. 11. yea such as have so crucified the Son of God to themselves and put him to an open shame the Text saith It s therefore impossible to renew them again to repentance Heb. 6. 6. And where sin being not wholly finished so as to occasion an utter separation God yet had mercy again and blotted out their sins for his names sake Isa 43. 25. yet that was so far from being the fruit of that their making him to serve or wearying him with their sins that it was indeed the more wonderful being after such long provocation and obstinacy But on the other hand this one act or work of God in making Christs soul an offering for sin causing our sins to meet together on him and his bearing them in his own body is that very thing in which is all our help and salvation which indeed is only of God with his stripes we are healed Isa 53. 6. 1 Pet. 2. 24. 3 Yet also it is clear That even that his being wearied or pressed with their sins though it was their act to make him so yet his being so made was not in any operation in them but something accidentally caused or occasioned in God or from him towards them by their long persisting in their obstinacy and provocations even untill the day of his patience was out or almost out with them then he is said to be wearied though in a proper sense as man he fainteth not nor is weary when he doth or is ready to do that which men do when they are weary viz. give over forbearing or waiting as in that Jer. 6. 11. And so that Amos 2. 13. may be read either or both wayes I am pressed or I will press you so some Translations render it as a cart is pressed with sheaves but as before in this offering of Christ to bear our fins in his own body God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself not imputing their trespasses to them but causing them to meet together on him 2 Cor. 5. 19. with Isaiah 53. 6. 4 True it is That mentioned Heb. 6. 6. is not only something made or occasioned by them but also in the first branch of it an operation made in them and to them they crucifie the Son of God to themselves yet that not for but wholly against themselves and causing that weariness in God of forbearing them forementioned surely its like that internal operation 2 Thess 2. 10. deceiveableness of unrighteousness greatest unrighteousness under a vizor of Righteousness or form of godliness in them that perish It is such an internal operation as in which the person of Christ as crucified for us with the ends and ver●ues of his Cross is made of no account dead or undesireable if not execrable to a man The preaching of the Cross is to them that perish foolishness 1 Cor. 1. 18. Surely James I have good ground to beleeve this is that operation in you which you witness to be Christs appearing or coming in the flesh in you there to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself and that also which you call his second appearing in you c. I could be glad to hope this were not wholly finished for if so there remains nothing but a fearful looking for of vengeance to consume the Adversaries c. If Christ come to dye in this sense in or to a man no resurrection of him answerable in or to that man is to be expected Other Scriptures also I remember you abused to this purpose such as tell us He that beleeveth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself 1 Joh. 5. 10. And the Commandement given i● true in him and in them Chap. 2. 8. Surely you are willingly ignoranr or not able to distinguish between the witness being in a man received in beleeving and the thing witnessed being actually wrought in him Doubtless the main thing witnessed in those Scriptures is the person of Christ and the works of our salvation that were perfectly wrought and finished in that person without our motion or knowledge 1 Joh. 1. and chap. 1. 2. And so of that propitiation and eternal life That God hath therein and so prepared for us and given us in him as in a sure treasury fountain and receptacle for us that it might be received and enjoyed by us even now by faith and in a first fruits of the Spirit and in the hope of the Harvest in so receiving him even in beleeving on his name 1 Joh. 5. 10 11 12. with Joh. 1. 1-12 14. which person and works so finished in him are no otherwise in any but by faith of and in them and so in the vertues tasted and experimented But whosoever so beleeveth on the Son of God he hath the witness in himself not the thing witnessed wrought over again in him nor any otherwise in him than by faith c. as before but
and 2 Tim. 4. ult The Law or Doctrine of the Lord is perfect Psal 19. 7. even as spoken out by the one mouth of his holy Apostles and Prophets from the beginning of the world those that have spoken to us and left things on record in the name of the Lord Act. 3. 21-25 Jam. 5. 10. 2 Pet. 1. 19 20. 3. 1 2. And who those are that have so spoken and what those things are that are so delivered in his name as the certain and infallible Oracles of God we in these last daies are thus helped to know and understand First To all those things written afore time which we are to look upon as the Oracles of The Scriptures of truth as Rom. 15. 4. Dan. 10. 21. our Savior and the Apostles in their preaching and witnessing to the Truth have directed us And that by 1. Expressing by name most of those holy men of God by whom any of those things were spoken and written or concerning whom any thing material for our instruction is left on record and that with evident reference to the things written in their Books by them or of them as to instance a little Moses Joh. 5. 45 46 47. Moses and Samuel and all the Prophets that follow after Act. 3. 22. 24. note they are mentioned in such order as we have them so Luk. 24. 27. 44. and Act. 13. 33. 35. David Act. 2. 25-30 4. 25. Rom 4. 6. Matth. 12. 3. Mark 1● 36 37. Solomon Matth. 12. 42. Act. 7. 47. Isaiah Matth. 3. 3. 4. 14. 8 17. 12. 17. 13. 14. 15. 17. Luk. 4. 17 18. Act. 8. 28. 30. 28. 25. Rom. 9 27-29 10. 16. 20. 15. 12. Jeremiah Matth. 2. 17. 16. 14. 16. 14. 27. 9. Daniel Matth. 24. 15. Hosea Rom. 9. 25. Joel Act. 2. 16. Jonah Matth. 12. 40 41. Zachariah Son of Barachiah mentioned as one of the last of the Prophets before Christ Matth. 23. 35. Job Jam. 5. 11 Time would fail me to tell of those many Prophets and righteous men expressed by name with reference to the things written of them in those divine Oracles as Abel Enoch Noah Abraham Isaack Jacob Joseph with his Brethren Joshua Gideon Barak and others See Act. 7. Heb. 11. 2 By quoting or alluding to all the things or matters contained in their books as through the merciful providence of God and on the account of his righteousness they are preserved to us as the certain and infallible Oracles of God even to the matters and sayings contained in their books whose names are not expressed by them as well as in those whose names are expressed the Apostles having said nothing but what the Prophets did say should come and so demonstrated and confirmed their further Revelation of the mystery which they have given for obedience to the faith among all Nations out of the Scriptures of the former Prophets Act. 26. 22 23. Rom. 1. 2 3. 16. 25 26. 1 Pet. 1. 10 11. 2 Pet 1. 19-21 I might give manifold instances of this also but I shall content my self with a few of many The Doctrine of the Creation Gen. 1. 2. and particular sayings therein quoted and alluded to 2 Cor. 4. 6. Matth. 19. 4. 5. 1 Cor. 11. 8 9. Of Gods resting the seventh day Gen. 2. 2. Heb. 4. 4. Of the sin and fall of all in one offence and death passing on them thereby Gen. 2. 16 17. with chap. 3. tot See Rom 5. 12. 14 18. 1 Cor. 15 21. ●2 Of the promised seed of the woman and the destruction of Satans works thereby Gen. 3. 15 with Isa 7. 14. See Gal. 4. 4 5. Heb. 2. 14 15 1 Joh. 3. 8. Matth. 1. 22 23. The passages concerning Abel Cain Enoch Gen. 4. 5. Heb 11 12. 24. 1 Joh. 3. 12. Noah and his preaching and the Spirit thining therein and in other means with men Gen. 6. 1 Pet. 3. 19 20 21. The wickedness of the old world and their destruction by water Noah and his family being saved in the Ark. Gen 6. 7 c. See the forecited place and 2 Pet. 25. 3. 6. 7. The several passag●s concerning Abraham his fearing and walking with God Gods ●ovenant with him confirming it in his seed in which blessing to all Nations was promised calling that seed in Isaack giving him Circumc●sion a● an outward Seal of it his following the call of God into a strange Land his offering up his onely Son as at large in Genesis See those in severall places by our Savior and his Apostles quoted and alluded to as the certain and infallible Oracles of God Heb. 11. Rom. 4. Gal. 3. with divers more The like we may say of the p●ss●ges concerning Isaiah Jacob Jos●ph and his Brethren their envy and selling him Gods delivering him Israels going into Egypt their affliction there Gods deliverance of them his Judgements on Pharoah his leading his people through the Sea and Wilderness his giving the Law by the hand of Moses their evil manners and his judgements on them in the Wilderness his bringing their seed into Canaan giving them Judges and afterwards Kings the erecting him a house by Solomon c. Act 7. with 1 Cor. 10. 1-11 and divers others and so the whole ●aw and the Prophets as the witness of Jesus and Gods righteousness in him was held forth in them Rom. 3. 21. how oft and severally they are in the whole and in each part alluded to by our Savior and the Apostles would be a work too long in this place otherwise it might be shewed as to every particular of the narrative doctrinal part of their writings and Prophecies and not onely so but likewise in their predictions of things to come some discovered to be accomplished as they said they should come as Matth. 1. 22 23. Act. 26. 22 23. Others more distinctly and fully opened and assured to be accomplished in the second Appearing of Jesus Christ as Act. 3. 20 21. 1 Cor. 15. 54. So Ezek●els Daniels Zacharies Haggaes and other Prophecies alluded to and opened to John in his Revelation as might be seen by comparing them our Savior and the Apostles have so directed us to all those which through Gods merciful Providence are preserved to us as such of all the things written afore time Secondly Those following Narrations and Declarations of the mystery as now come forth and manifested in Christ which were given us from the mouth and person of Christ the great Shephard and confirmed and left on record to us by them that heard him and were of the first and immediate trusters in him as so manifested and received their whole Word and Doctrine immediately from him as Heb. 2. 3. Ephes 1. 9-12 Joh. 17. 6. 8-18 Act. 1. Gal 1. 1 Cor. 15. Those also are the same and no other that were foretold and prophecied of as so to come forth on the appearance or coming of the Messiah no onely