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A04400 A discouery of the errors of the English Anabaptists As also an admonition to all such as are led by the like spirit of error. Wherein is set downe all their seuerall and maine points of error, which they hold. With a full answer to euery one of them seuerally, wherein the truth is manifested. By Edmond Iessop who sometime walked in the said errors with them. Etherington, John, fl. 1641-1645.; Jessop, Edmond, attributed name. 1623 (1623) STC 14520; ESTC S107746 83,433 114

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him be euer remoued from them as the Prophet testifieth Nay what shall or can possibly separate them from the loue of Christ or frō the loue of God the Father towards them in him Shall tribulation or distresse or persecution or famine or nakednes or perill or sword As it is written For thy sake are we killed all the day long and are counted as sheepe for the slaughter Nay saith Saint Paul In all these things we are more then conquerours through him that loued vs. For I am perswaded saith he that neither death nor life nor Angels nor principalities nor powers nor things present nor things to come nor height nor depth nor any other creature shall be able to separate vs from the loue of God which is in Christ Iesus our Lord. Thus as God did predestinate call iustifie and sanctifie them so it is he that keepeth defendeth them and the stedfastnes of their estates in him doth depend vpon the stedfastnes and immutabilitie of his purpose promise loue and on the loue and life of Christ and all is free without any respect of will faith or works of ours in him and of him to whom be all power and glorie praise and thanksgiuing for euer Amen But some will obiect and say What then meaneth the Scriptures which so often speake of falling away from righteousnesse from faith from Christ from God as where it saith But when the righteous man turneth away from his righteousnes and committeth iniquitie and dieth in them for the iniquities that he hath done shall be die And againe it is said that he which taketh the plough by the hand and looketh behind him is not meete for the kingdome of God And againe When a soule spirit is cast out of a man and he walking in drie places findeth no rest but returneth to the house from whence he came out and finding it swept and garnished entreth therein with seuen more worse then himselfe and the end of that man shall be worse then the beginning And again some are said to beleeue for a time to be offended when tribulation cometh And some branches are said to be taken away from the vine Others to withdraw themselues and to depart away from the liuing God to be made partakers of the holy Ghost and to taste of the good word of God and of the powers of the world to come and to fall away not to be renewed againe by repentance That a man may be sanctified by the blood of the testament and afterwards tread vnder foote the Son of God and count the same blood as an vnholy thing and despight the Spirit of grace Some to be cleane escaped from the filthinesse of the world and after this to be entangled againe whose end also is worse then the beginning likened vnto the dog that returneth to his owne vomit and to the sow that is washed and turneth to wallow in the mire againe And some that do make shipwrack of faith and a good conscience with diuers other sayings to this purpose Also these doubtfull speeches He that endureth to the end If ye hold fast vnto the end Whose house ye are if ye continue He that ouercometh and keepeth my words vnto the end And againe Let them be blotted out of the booke of the liuing I will take away his part out of the booke of life and out of the holy Citie These Scriptures seeme to contradict all that is said before and to proue that there is no estate to be attained vnto but may be fallen from lost and vndone againe These Scriptures may seeme with men not instructed of God to contradict all what haue been mentioned before and to proue a falling away from all grace whatsoeuer but with such as God hath been pleased to instruct it is otherwise and although not only your sects but the Antichristian Church of Rome the Arminians and others doe conceiue and teach from these Scriptures that there is no estate to be attained vnto in this life but men may fall therefrom and perish and because you will not admit as it were too grosse yee should of contradiction in Scriptures wrest wring all the former Scriptures which doe cleerly proue the contrary either to make for this your erronious conceit or else at least not to oppose the same yet I say neuerthelesse the truth is that ye are deceiued not only in this but in the other of your points being most of them of the same nature but all tending to the wrong marke It is true these Scriptures do plainly shew that men may attaine to many excellent graces and gifts of the holy Ghost they may receiue the word with ioy take the plough by the hand be enlightned beleeue and be baptized they may be branches in the vine they may haue a foule spirit cast out of them and be swept and garnished they may taste of the heauenly gift and be made partakers of the holy Ghost and taste of the good word of God and of the powers of the world to come they may be in some respects sanctified by the blood of the testament and be cleane escaped from the pollutions of the world they may haue a kind of righteousnes and be in some sort termed righteous men they may haue faith to cast out diuels and doe many great works all this they may attaine vnto and yet come short of the chiefe things fall away from all lose all and Christ may notwithstanding all these things iustly and truly say vnto them in the day of account Depart from me ye workers of iniquitie I neuer knew ye And it is as true that there be greater and more speciall things then all these which whosoeuer can attain shall as certainly abide in Christ and be saued as Christ abideth in the Father and liueth But the greatest difficultie lieth in this to distinguish these things rightly asunder according to the meaning of the Scriptures that so their true difference being discerned of vs we may not only auoide the great confusion which the want thereof hath caused in the mindes of many and the sundry errors they through their ignorance haue fallen into but may be brought to examine and proue our selues by the rule thereof whether our estates be yet such as will abide the triall in the day of account or no. If we find that they be we haue then great cause of comfort if not then haue we great reason to feare and with all speed to humble our soules before God and earnestly ●o desire him that he would be pleased to forme his sonne Christ in vs and to conforme vs vnto his image which is the estate that will giue vs boldnes in the day of his appearing Now that we may rightly vnderstand these things and discerne their true difference let vs obserue that as the Gospel hath two seuerall operations in the hearts and consciences of men to some it is the sauour of life vnto life and
yong as old which proueth that as the curse and punishment for the sinne so the sinne it selfe claue vnto them and continueth from generation to generation in them else the manifold misseries which were vpon children as well as vpon men of yeares were vniust Why should God shut them out of Paradice and not restore them thither againe so soone as they were borne there to haue the same free liberty to eate of the tree of life as Adam had before he fell why should God exact at their hands first so soone as they haue any capacitie the perfect righteousnesse of the Law vpon paine of death as ye confesse if they had eaten with Adam of the tree of knowledge of good and euill why should that fiery two edged sword be set to keepe from them also the way of the tree of life and why are they subiect to all the calamities that came vpon the earth by the sin of Adam if they fell not with him why should God consume them all with their parents in the dayes of Noah by the floud some in the wombe some in the birth and some newly borne if they had beene cleane from all pollutions of sinne would not God haue spared them and the world for their sakes And why did God then destroy the cities of Sodome and Gomorha and not spare them as he promised Abraham to doe if he found ten righteous their If children be free from all pollution of sinne they are not vnrighteous and wicked and if they may be called holy they may be called righteous Else were your children vncleane saith Paul but now are they holy As also if vnclean then polluted as were the children of the Sodomites doubtlesse aboue all the cities of the world And so did God the Iudge of all the world doe right in rooting out that wicked generation as he did also the other of the old world When Adam fell he did not only commit a fault but by the same his fault he not only brought vpon himselfe death and wrath but fell into a gulfe of pollution and wickednesse both soule and bodie Nay when he receiued grace it did not rid and free him of that naturall corruption whereinto the whole man was plunged insomuch as he could not increase and multiply but all the increase that came of him must necessarily be of the same nature that he was both bodies and spirits For to what did God say Increase and multiply and replemish the earth c was it to a senceles body not hauing the breath of life or was it to the whole man in whom God had breathed the breath of life who was thereby made a liuing soule It is true the Spirit is from heauen of God that gaue it and therefore especially is Adam called The Son of God and all mankind are said to be the ofspring of God not that God doth breath in euery perticular child of man in the wombe the breath of life immediately from himselfe in the same maner as he did vnto Adam Nay he did it then once for all insomuch as if God had executed his iustice on Adam immediately vpon his transgression we all had beene hid and had perisht in him both spirits and bodies whereas he being spared brought forth and replenisht the earth else man were inferior to all creatures We reade that God created euery thing to haue seede in it selfe according to his kind and all creatures do we see produce and bring forth their like by the word and prouidence of God when God said bring forth he gaue power by the same his word to the creatures he had made through the meanes he had ordained to doe their office he had set them in Euery tree hath it seed in it selfe the seed being sowne in the earth increaseth to roote and then to branches and afterward bringeth forth fruit or seed againe nothing differing from the seed that was first sowne And as an euill tree bringeth forth seed as euill as it selfe so doth man beget and bring forth as euill and corrupt as himselfe For so saith Iob For how can a cleane thing come out of that which is vncleane And Dauid saith of himselfe that he was shaped in iniquitie and in sinne his mother conceiued him If the fountaine from whence Dauid came was vncleane how could he be cleane That which moued Dauid to call this to minde was not so much any thing concerning his mother as himselfe the apprehension of his owne present sinne he was faln into which he was now lamenting and confessing before God vrged him to call to mind his first beginning and in his confession to charge himselfe with sin euen from the time that his mother first conceiued him and confesseth the same also to his owne shame and confusion thereby to cut off all good opinion of himselfe as touching his originall first estate which he had by his naturall conception and first birth the more to confirme vnto his soule the necessitie of the second new-birth from aboue For he knew that Adam by his sinne had not only polluted himselfe in soule and bodie and was fallen from his first integritie of nature and blessed estate he was in but that the same euill seed which then was sowne in the heart of Adam hath brought forth so great increase that it hath polluted and made vncleane the hearts and natures of all that come of him As also another testifieth saying The graine of euill seed was sowne in the heart of Adam from the beginning and how much vngodlinesse hath it brought vp vnto this time and how much shall it yet bring forth vntill the time of threshing come Ponder now with thy selfe how great fruit of wickednesse the graine of euill seed hath brought forth and when the eares shall be cut downe how great a floore shall they fill In which words this holy Prophet plainly sheweth that their first graine namely the sin which was first sowne in Adams heart was and is the original root and first ground of all sin that hath sprung vp shall spring vp in the hearts of all his posteritie to the worlds end and so of all their misery and therefore he saith againe Oh thou Adam what hast thou done for though it was thou that hast sinned thou art not falne alone but we all that come of thee The very same also doth Saint Paul affirme hauing spoken and being speaking of the reconciliation grace and life eternall which is by the death and life of Christ onely attainable wherefore saith he As by one man sin entred into the world and death by sin and so death passed vpon all men in whom all men haue sinned and so forward setting it downe not as a thing in question but as wel known shewing that as by one euen Adam sinne entred into the hearts of all men and death is passed vpon them for that all by that meanes haue sinned so grace and
venome therefrom whereby they burst asunder so likewise doe all such persons who haue not their hearts established with true sauing grace but with sundry meates that is to say with sundry strange and different opinions I call them strange because they were neuer heard of in all the Scriptures as hereafter shall appeare running from one forme of religion vnto another vntill at last they come to sucke and feed vpon that poysonable heresie of the Familists who are not worthy to haue so much as the name or title of religion giuen vnto them it being not onely the last straine or faction they commonly run into but also destroying and damnable whereby the word of God is by them blasphemed and the way of life and truth euill spoken of to the great dishonour of the great and mightie Ichouah who will one day breake and teare them in peeces as with a rod of iron when none shall be able to deliuer them as a iust recompence of reward for all such as take pleasure therein So then beloued brethren friends or kindred of what sex or condition soeuer whether yong or old rich or poore be exhorted and forewarned hereby not giuing the least heed vnto any lying spirits vnder what pretence soeuer they haue may can or will present themselues vnto you but on the contrary labour by the grace and power you haue or shall receiue of the Lord to resist and auoid them euen as our Lord and Master did that archspirit and enemie of all mankind knowing that if the least way be giuen you will be in danger to be inthralled and insnared by their deceiuings And although some of them be more defectiue and more dangerous to infect the soules of men then others be as most certaine there are for there are degrees as well in difference of spirits as of nature and naturall parts yet I say they which may conceiue haue most soundnesse in their opinion it will be found vpon due and iust triall not to be that which they would seeme both vnto themselues and others to be which hereafter will appeare Of these things my beloued I can in some measure best aduertise you being through want of the true sauing knowledge and vnderstanding of God and his truth caught and intangled by some of them wandring vp and downe amongst the drie hils and mountaines conceiuing comfort when alas I was far from it and the farther I wandred vp and downe in that Egyptian darknesse the more intricate labyrinth of error and darknesse my soule was plunged into like vnto a blind man who hauing not his perfect sight goes on in darknesse vntill at last he falls into a pit of destruction for want of a guide to conduct and leade him and especially when I walked with the Anabaptists which way and practise of theirs shall euidently appeare to euery honest true and sanctified heart not onely to ouerturne and race the foundation of all Christian religion but also in as much as in them lieth to destroy the faith of Iesus Christ all which time though strangely deluded yet was I kept by the power and prouidence of God from being seduced and led into that destroying and irrecouerable way of death before mentioned namely the Familists though very nigh vnto it hauing one foote entred therein whiles I walked with the people aforesaid vntill at last the Lord in his appointed time was pleased to giue me a true sight of the misery wherein I was plunged one meanes whereof being the rod of correction which God had laid vpon me it draue me the more seriously to examine things and to consider with my selfe whether the cause for which I suffered would any whit auaile me vnto saluation or whether it would minister comfort vnto me in that great and teerible day of the Lord. So vpon a more serious suruay of those positions I then maintained I found them all too light yea so light as they were not able to stand against those truths which the holy Scriptures teach and maintaine whereupon immediatly I reiected my former receiued opinions as erronious and wicked so that I may say and that truly with that holy man Dauid It was good for me that I was corrected and chastised for till then I went astray Yet notwithstanding though I was cleane escaped therefrom within a short time after I was so far from hauing or enioying true peace and comfort that in stead thereof my poore distressed soule was accompanied with nothing but strange feares terrors and guiltinesse of conscience crying out against me for nothing but vengeance the misery whereof was such as caused me to lament the time wherein I was borne not regarding wife children or any friends whatsoeuer that came to visit me The misery wherein I was did depriue me of being sensible of the least ioy either in heauen or on earth being altogether benummed therewith compassed and set about with many strange and fearfull apparitions of temptations the primary and first cause thereof was that originall guilt which I drew from the loines of my first parents being the very seed and spawne of all my actuall transgressions and so being confounded vtterly lost yea oft times in despaire fearing there was mo mercie with God for me my sins being so heauy a burden vpon my soule then euen then when I was in greatest despaire God by his Spirit was pleased to worke in me a contrite and broken heart whereby it was turned from being a stubburne and stonie by dissoluing 〈◊〉 into a heart of flesh as soft as water and therein through 〈◊〉 infinite loue and goodnesse did by a more speciall work 〈◊〉 his Spirit write his euerlasting couenant of loue and mercy ●●ich it so much sued sought and longed for with full assur●●●● of the remission of all my sins whereby I stand sealed 〈◊〉 the day of my redemption is accomplished in the second resurrection that as certaine as my Red●emer liueth and cannot die so certaine I am that one day I shall enioy that glorious inheritance purchased through the merits of Iesus Christ which happie and blessed estate my soule could not enioy whiles it stucke fast in the quick sands of Anabaptistry being euen welnigh smothered and ouerwhelmed in error and darknesse vntill the Lord was pleased to open the eyes of my vnderstanding by hearing the word and doctrine of truth which is maintained by and in the Church of England as namely the doctrine of repentance free iustification by faith Gods eternall predestination and election from the foundation of the world that no man hath free will or power to obtaine his owne saluation and that originall sin to be in all the posteritie of Adam euer since we fell from that happie blessed estate which once we had in him with many other excellent truths all which is such a certaine and sure foundation that whosoeuer can attaine to walke in the power thereof the gates of hell shall neuer ouercome nor destroy him yet
to others the sauour of death vnto death not of it selfe but through the wickednes of mens hearts so likewise there is a two-fold administration thereof the one generall common to all the other speciall peculiar to a few that which is generall and common is a publique declaration that such a thing there is whereby all men in general haue this benefit namely y● whereas after Adam had sinned before the promise was made that the seed of the woman should bruise the Serpents head there was no time nor place for repentance to any nor remission of sins vpon any ground to be expected now since that time by vertue of the promise all sinne i● made pardonable there is time and place for repentance to all and remission of sinnes thereupon granted so that whosoeuer shall come and with sorrow of heart confesse his sinnes vnto God and humbly desire mercie and forgiuenesse at his hands shall receiue it and thus far the Gospell is preached to all euen to euery creature vnder heauen as Saint Paul speaketh so that there is not nor hath been a nation or people in any time or part of the world that can truly say we haue not heard it for as it is written their sound went forth throughout all the earth and their words vnto the ends of the world and so all are left without excuse because God hath not left himselfe without witnesse But the maner and measure of Gods declaration of his Gospell hath been diuers he declared it vnto the nations of the Gentiles in former times yea and at this present doth in diuers parts of the world onely by the workes which he hath created and benefits that he daily giueth them as the heauens and firmament day and night Sunne and raine and in that he giueth them fruitfull seasons filling their hearts with food and gladnesse with many other blessings all which do in their maner and kind preach and declare vnto them that God is good and gracious to mankind and hath some speciall respect vnto him and doe also call vpon them daily to seeke him that made all and giueth all those good things vnto them and proueth vnto them that if they had sought they might haue found in him yet greater things which some of them doubles haue attained vnto the rest by this means are left without excuse He shewed it to the nation of the Hebrewes not onely by his works and benefits which they especially had in great abundance but in another more excellent maner and in a far greater measure as namely by the testimonies of the Fathers and by the ministerie of Moses and the Prophets who receiued it from God and spake as they were moued by the holy Ghost he stretched forth his hand all the day long vnto that people preaching his Gospell the word of faith vnto them so as that they of all other had least reason to say in their hearts Who shall ascend into heauen for vs to fetch it vs or who shall go downe into the deepe to bring it vs that we may heare it and doe it but the word was nigh enough vnto them euen in their mouthes and in their hearts and if the Gentiles were left without excuse much more they And now he hath spoken and declared it vnto vs in these last times by his Sonne Iesus Christ that Seed which was promised to Adam to Abraham was spoken of by Moses foretold by the Prophets in whom by whom and through whom all blessings all hope all grace and life is granted is purchased is to be attained by him I say and by his holy Apostles in the power and gifts of the holy Ghost he hath declared vnto vs all things cleerly many whereof being such as in all other former ages were not knowne so that the earth floweth with the knowledge of the Gospell in these dayes aboue all those other times past and many haue been enlightned through the preaching of it by the Spirit and haue beleeued and giuen their assents vnto the truth of it many haue tasted of the heauenly gift and haue been made partakers of the holy Ghost haue tasted of the good word of God and of the powers of the world to come many are able to preach and discourse thereof in great and excellent measure and if the Hebrewes could at no time truly say we haue not heard it nor yet those Gentiles that had not the Law to wit those Scriptures and ordinances of the Law which the Hebrewes had what can we then say who haue not only had all the meanes and light which those Gentiles Hebrews had but also the plaine reuelation of the Gospell according as it was foretold to be in these last times confirmed by the death resurrection of Iesus Christ and left recorded vnto vs by his holy Apostles in full measure how can it be I say therefore but that the things which we haue heard and beleeued will be vnto vs the sauour of death vnto death in a fuller and larger measure then vnto any of them seeing we haue receiued a greater larger measure of knowledge if we obey not the Gospell if we attaine not vnto the speciall grace and benefits thereof for as the Lord himselfe testifieth He that knoweth his masters will and doth it not shall be beaten with many stripes But some will say we haue not onely knowledge of his will but obedience also we are not like vnto those strange fornicators and idolaters of the Gentiles nor as the cruell vnbeleeuing Hebrewes which killed the Prophets and murdered the Lord of glorie neither are we of the common sinners of the world though we haue been so heretofore nay the power of the holy Ghost by the preaching of the word of God hath altered vs the foule spirit is now cast out by a stronger then he we are now cleane escaped from the filthinesse of the world our liues and actions are reformed we apply our selues now to the hearing of the word we conferre thereof and reade it oft we pray also oft we receiue the Sacraments oft we instruct our children and our seruants in the principles of Christian religion we keep the Sabbath we distribute of our goods to the poore we neglect no dutie which we conceiue we ought to performe so that we are washed and sanctified by the blood of the testament I confesse thou hast here a kind of obedience and doest in part thy masters will and art so far forth sanctified by the blood of the testament for by it all graces and gifts of the Spirit are purchased and thou couldest neuer haue attained to these things but by vertue of it yet I say notwithstanding all this the chiefe thing may be wanting in thee for if this be to do thy masters will according to our Sauiours meaning then doubtlesse the Scribes and Pharises did his will as wel as thee they made
life is by one euen Christ and none shall liue but by him And that not any one man whatsoeuer old or yong male or female shall euer enter into life except he be changed from that he is by nature by a heauenly power of grace through the Spirit Christ himselfe fully ratifieth and confirmeth saying Verily I say vnto thee except a man be borne againe he cannot see the kingdom of God And againe the second time Verily verily I say vnto thee except a man be borne of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdome of God Meaning by a man euery child of man without exception of what age or sex soeuer if he be one conceiued and borne of flesh he must be borne againe of water and of the Spirit or else he cannot be saued Meaning by water a heauenly power whereby the heart which is naturally euen from the birth hard and stubburne being seasoned with Adams sinne euen from the conception is dissolued and made meeke and tender as water and by the spirit a heauenly gift of the holy Ghost which comforteth his tender heart and brings vnto it from God in and through Christ peace and ioy vnspeakable and that children are capable of this in and from the womb let the babe which sprang in his mothers wombe for ioy giue testimonie And if any shall say Christ doth not call a child new borne a man let him reade these words of Christ A woman when she trauaileth hath sorrow because her houre is nigh but as soone as she is deliuered of the child she remembreth no more the paine for ioy that a man is borne into the world If children dying before they commit actuall sinne are saued because they haue no originall pollution of sinne as these silly men say then Christ died not for children neither was he promised vnto them nor yet are they saued by him but by their owne innocencie and so this promise The Seed of the woman shall bruise the serpents head belonged only to Adam and Euah and not to any of their children because they were to be borne all innocents without sinne These with many other absurdities will follow from this their doctrine But it is an error as their other points are and therefore error must needs be the consequence of it If one should aske these men at what age a child may commit an actuall sinne whereby it doth lose it innocencie and perfection of nature and then at what age it is capable of the new birth and also why the lust or thought of euill in the heart as well as an act of euill may not take their innocencie and vertue of nature from them It is much to be maruelled what answers they would make But to leaue them to better conderations hoping they will now see their folly and learne to be wiser for time to come Their sixt point That none ought to be baptized but such men and women of yeares onely as haue attained to true repentance and iustifying faith being both in the account of the Church and in the sight of God regenerate persons and that the baptisme of children vsed is no baptisme at all but is the marke of the Beast spoken of in Reuelat. 13. Answ THe doctrine of the Church of God is that not only such men and women of yeares as haue true repentance and iustifying faith but that all which do beleeue Iesus to be the Christ and acknowledge him submitting themselues to be informed and guided by his word and Gospell may be baptized though as yet they neither haue true repentance nor iustifying faith and that the children of all such may be baptized That such as haue true repentance iustifying faith may be baptized it is granted of all men without any further consideration to be past all question but it is euident there may be such who yet notwithstanding may not lawfully be baptized Cornelius Lydia and the Eunuch were true worshippers of God as the Spirit testifieth of them and therefore had both true repentance iustifying faith before they knew Christ to be come in the flesh yet these might not be baptized till they did know and acknowledge Christ to be come in the flesh and that Iesus Christ was he but Christ being manifested vnto them the Scriptures concerning him being vnfolded and God opening their hearts to attend vnto the same and they beleeuing the truth thereof were baptized being now of all other the meetest persons therefore For we are to know that when Christ came into the world he found the people in seuerall conditions some though but few very true Israelites who had both repentance and iustifying faith before Christ as touching his personall appearing in the flesh was known vnto them as Simeon Nathaniel those before named and others For the same way to saluation that is now was euer euen from the dayes of Abell and shall be to the end as repentance from dead workes and faith towards God c. And some poore repentant sinners and these were few also which had not yet Iustifying faith but onely trauelling vnder the burthen of their sins did much desire to be releiued Such were those poore which are spoken of the bruised and heauy laden Sicke lost dead c. And others were they that had neither repentance nor faith as the multitudes of the Iewes and of the whole world and to these seuerall sorts of people the Gospell was preached in seuerall maners To the first sort that Christ was now come euen the messenger of the couenant whom they desired in their hearts to see and heare as one that did spiritually dwell in their hearts already these beleeuing were baptized To the second was preached that Christ is come and also that the glad tidings of peace and reconciliation with God in him did belong to them in particular and therefore Christ calleth these particularly saying Come vnto me all ye c. Againe The Sonne of man is come to seeke and saue that which is lost c. The poore haue the Gospell preached vnto them and these beleeuing and acknowledging Christ were baptized And to the other third sort Christ was not to be preached in any such special peculiar manner as to the former but more generally as namely that Christ is come in the flesh c and that repentance and remission of sinnes is granted in his name so that whosoeuer doth repent and beleeue the Gospell shal be saued Now they that did beleeue and accknowledge the truth of these things as Iudas the many disciples mentioned in the fourth and sixt of Iohn the thornie and stony ground Simon Magus with many others were and might lawfully be baptized though they had not yet true repentance nor iustifying faith Nay it is manifest that neither Christ nor his Apostles did reiect any from the outward baptisme for the want thereof so as they did beleeue and outwardly submit themselues to the