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A47908 The relaps'd apostate, or, Notes upon a Presbyterian pamphlet, entituled, A petition for peace, &c. wherein the faction and design are laid as open as heart can wish by Roger L'Estrange. L'Estrange, Roger, Sir, 1616-1704. 1641 (1641) Wing L1293; ESTC R16441 60,742 101

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concerning Meats and Days Was ever any thing more sourly Superstitious then their Monthly-Fast Those Days wherein the Church enjoyns Abstinence they choose to Feast upon and Sunday is the only Day for Humiliation B Laws are compos'd for the Publique welfare not for the Humours of Particular Persons and shortly They that do not like the Law where they Live should do well to search the VVorld for a Law they like Si non ubi sedeas locus est est ubi ambules C We come now to a fine Request That is they desire the Bishops to Petition the King to establish Presbytery for That is directly the Effect of it to destroy the Act of Conformity Do not people understand that when Laws are form'd to a Complyance with Phansie and Humour there is no other Law but Humour They tell us hitherto what they would not have see now what 't is they would have D The cause of the Non-conformists they say is long since stated at Frankford Is that it then they would be at Yes that or thereabouts We have no reason to suspect them of any considerable change they tell us Truly nor much to thank them for sticking there But the late War is the best Measure of their Aims and yet they did no more there than they attempt every where for I defie the world to shew me one story where ever That Faction was quiet unless they govern'd But they have confess'd enough we are to look at Frankford for their model and by the spirit of the Reformers There to judge of These Here. In the days of Edw. 6th this Island first began to be leaven'd with Presbytery through the particular craft and instigation of Calvin whose late success and absolute dominion at Geneva gave no small pretence and encouragement to an allowance of his Discipline While Discontents were gathering That Prince dies leaving the Government to Queen Mary in whose Reign diverse of the Reformed perswasion fled into Germany No sooner were they met at Frankford but Calvin's model was there ready to bid them welcom Some liked it but too well and to make easier way for 't made it their first work to disgrace the English Forms just as our Consistorian Puritans do at this day Knox Whitingham and some others of the Geneva-humor made a Cull of the particulars they faulted and sent them to Calvin for his opinion whose Answer was That there were many tolerable Fopperies in the English Liturgy This Letter was made publick and a great furtherance to the ensuing Breach which ended yet in the establishment of the English way at Frankford the Calvinizers flying off to Geneva So that Their Reformers and Ours agree Both Enemies to the English Ceremonies and Common-Prayer The cause the same too both are friends to the Geneva Platform Nay they agree in Practise likewise That Faction cast off their PRINCE and BISHOP there ours did as much for KING and BISHOPS here If those Nonconformists and These are of a judgment as our Divines unwarily imply we shall best read what these men think and mean srom what those said and did and rather proceed upon their own confession than summon the three Kingdoms to bear witness of their Actions We shall begin with Knox one of the intermedlers whose Letters and Discourses are sufficient to his condemnation without that History of the Church of Scotland of which though generally ascrib'd to him Spotswood acquits him In 1559. Willock and Knox were advised with concerning the discharging the Queen of her Regency Willock gave his opinion That they might justly deprive her from all Regiment and Authority over them Knox follow'd and added That she ought now to be deprived Those of most note among the Frankford-sticklers were Goodman Whittingham and Gilby See them at large in Bancroft's dangerous Positions from whence we 'l borrow some Collections out of them If the Magistrates says Goodman shall refuse to put Mass-mongers and false Preachers to death the people in seeing it performed do shew that zeal of God which was commended in Phineas destroying the Adulterers and in the Israelites against the Benjamites Now see the men that these Reformers call Mass-mongers and false Preachers The most part of our Ministers says Gilby are either Popish Priests or Monks or Fryers Procters of Antichrist's Inventions Popish Chapmen c. If Kings and Princes refuse to reform Religion says Whittingham the Inferior Magistrates or People by direction of the Ministery may lawfully and ought if need require even by Force and Arms to reform it themselves To the Multitude says Goodman a portion of the sword of Justice is committed from the which no person King Queen or Emperor being an Idolater is exempt he must die the death These are the opinions of those Persons whom our Reformers make their Pattern How they proceeded the story of Queen Elizabeth sets forth abundantly and our own memories may enform us how close our Covenanters have follow'd them E We have now faithfully c. With what Faith Reason or Necessity soever the case was spread before the Bishops we 're sure 't was fouly done to spread the case before the People But where 's the Faith of taking an Ell for an Inch of abolishing what they pretend to alter of perverting Scripture and of putting an Arbitrary Nothing upon the People instead of a Set-form Where lies the Reason of presenting the Opinions of the Simple as Arguments to the Wise of opposing Number to Equity Tumults to Authority and of pressing his Majesty to put himself into the power of those very people that dethron'd his Father Lastly where lies the necessity of insisting upon so many variations as are already prov'd to be utterly unnecessary Now see the Remedies they offer us which come to this They propose to cure good Order by Confusion Honest and safe they say they are and honest and safe we may believe them but we must first believe that there 's no Knavery in Nature for set mens consciences at liberty once to think what they please their hands will not be long restrained from executing those thinkings Never was a general Freedom demanded but for a particular design nor was it ever granted but the next proposition was Equality But they propose it here it seems as to prevent the fear'd enemies of our distractions Behold a drop fallen from the lips of Prudence it self Are we in danger already and shall we be in less when those we fear are in more power Either the Reason's naught or the Design let them say whether APPENDIX SO far as open and clear Dealing to their Arguments or Justice to their meaning may acquit me I think I owe them nothing and yet methinks I'm in their Debt unless I match their Twenty Reasons in favour of their Propositions with as many against them And which is more since 't is the Multitude they Court I am content their friends shall be my Judges When I have