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A12213 A reply to an ansvvere, made by a popish adversarie, to the two chapters in the first part of that booke, which is intituled a Friendly advertisement to the pretended Catholickes in Ireland Wherein, those two points; concerning his Majejesties [sic] supremacie, and the religion, established by the lawes and statutes of the kingdome, be further justified and defended against the vaine cavils and exceptions of that adversarie: by Christopher Sibthorp, Knight, one of His Majesties iustices of his Court of Chiefe Place within the same realme. Sibthorp, Christopher, Sir, d. 1632. 1625 (1625) STC 22524; ESTC S117400 88,953 134

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courtesie in the Pope as Gratian most ungratiously would perswade but a matter of bounden duetie Ibidem Cap. Petrus and without all dissembling and seriously meant and intended by him in such manner and sort as he by those his words plainely declareth And consequently you now perceive verie fully I hope that for the space of eight hundred yeares and more after CHRIST the Bishops of Rome were subject to the Emperors and that the Christian Emperors also had Authoritie in matters Ecclesiasticall aswell as Civill within their Empyres But here now doe some Papists take exception and answere as touching Salomon his displacing of Abiathar the high Priest and putting Sadoc in his place that Salomon did this as he was a Prophet not as hee was a King But first this is but a meere supposition and conceit not found warranted in the Text. Yea the untruth of it may appeare if you please but to reade the Chapter For the offence which Abiathar 1. King 2.22.23.24 25.26.27.28 29 c. the high Priest had committed was High Treason in joyning with Adoniah against King Salomon for the kingdome Ioah also was in the same Treason and Conspiracie The King therefore caused Adoniah to be put to death he caused also Ioab to be put to death touching Abiathar the high Priest hee was also as worthy of death as the rest although for some causes and respects he was spared for that time Thou art worthie of death 1. King 2 26.27 saith the King but I will not this day kill thee because thou barest the Arke of the Lord God before David my Father and because thou hast suffered in all wherein my Father hath beene afflicted So Salomon cast out Abiathar from being Priest unto the Lord. And the King put Benaiah in the roome of Ioab over the Hoste and the King set Sadoc the priest Vers 35. in the roome of Abiathar In which words you see that Salomon doing these things is not styled or called by the name of a Prophet but expressely by the name of a King thereby signifying and declaring that what Salomon did touching the removing of Abiathar and putting Sadoc in his place he did it as a King aswell as when he put Benaiah in the place of Ioab Secondly you see that the offence which Abiathar had committed was treason and that therefore he deserved to die aswell as Adoniah or Ioab or any other of the conspirators But yet for the reasons and respects before mentioned hee would not then put him to death though he had deserved it but was content in lieu thereof for that time to inflict this punishment upon him to have him removed from his Priest-hood Now to deale in cases of Treason and to be a Iudge of matters concerning life and death and to award execution of death or in mercie to mitigate and alter the severitie of that punishment and in lieu thereof to have a milder or not so severe a punishment as death to be inflicted be things not properly belonging to the office of a Prophet but to the office of a King they doe rightly and properly enough belong And therefore what Salomon did herein it is evident that he did it as a King not as a Prophet And consequently it still remayneth firme and sure even by this example of King Salomon as also by other examples mentioned in my former Booke whereto my adversarie is still pleased to answere nothing that Kings as Kings have power to place Bishops and againe to displace them when there is cause and to put others in their roome And as touching Moses some Papists doe also answere that he was a Priest the high Priest Bellar. de verb. Dei lib 3. cap. 4● for so saith Bellarmine and therefore that Aaron performed that reverence obedience and subjection to him that hee did as being high Priest My Adversarie likewise saith the same that God Almightie made Moses an high Priest and citeth for proofe of it Num. 27. but there is no such thing written in that Chapter nor in any other Chapter of the whole Bible beside Deut. 33.5 I reade that Moses was as a King or Prince in Israell but I no where reade throughout the whole Booke of God that God constituted Moses to be the high Priest yea it is well knowne that in Moses time Aaron was the high Priest what necessitie then was there for Moses also to be an high Priest But that Moses was no Priest properly so called much lesse an high Priest is thus made manifest For if Moses were a Priest it must be eyther before the consecration of Aaron or after But after the consecration of Aaron and his Sonnes to the Priest-hood it is cleare that not Moses but Aaron and his Sonnes were the Priests as having the Priest-hood appointed and specially given unto them by Gods owne direction Thou saith God to Moses Numb 3.10 shalt appoint Aaron and his Sonnes to execute their Priests offices and the stranger that commeth here shall be slaine So that none but Aaron and those that were of his seede might execute the Priests office For which cause Moses neyther did not durst execute the Priests office Num. 16.46.47 but commanded Aaron to burne Incense and to make an attonement for the people Wherefore it is very apparant that after the consecration of Aaron Moses was not a Priest And that Moses was also no Priest before the consecration of Aaron is likewise very evident because before that time the priest-hood was annexed to the birth-right and did belong to the first borne in whose place the Levites afterward came Numb 3.12.41.45 Lyra in Num. 3.12 Ibidem and were appointed So sai●h Lyra reporting the received judgements of the best interpreters that Ante legem datam ad Primogenitos pertinebat offerre sacrificia Before the Law given it belonged to the first-borne to offer sacrifices Againe hee saith expressely that Levitae successerunt loco eorum The Levites succeded in their place And againe he saith Lyra. in Gen. 14. Sacerdotium fuit annexum Primogeniturae usque ad legem datā per Mosem The Priest-hood was annexed to the first borne untill the Law given by Moses Now of these two brothers Moses Aaron the Sonnes of Amram it is manifest that not Moses but Aaron was the eldest and first borne For we reade in Num. 33. Num. 33.39 That Aaron was one hunded twentie and three yeares old when he died But Moses outliving Aaron Deut. 34.7 was but one hundred and twentie yeares old when he died So that Aaron appeareth questionlesse and undoubtedly to be the elder brother and the first borne and consequently even by the right of Primogeniture did the Priest-hood belong to Aaron and not to Moses If any say that the birthright was sometime taken from the eldest by a speciall appointment of God and given to the younger it hath no place here For no such especiall appointment from
soone as this life is ended everie one without delay goeth eyther to Abrahams bos●me or to the place of torment and in this place is reserved till the day of judgement S. Ambrose also teachech That death is a certaine haven to them Ambros de bono mortis cap. 4. who being tossed in the great sea of this world desire the station of a safe rest And therefore he saith further That whereas fooles doe feare death as the chiefe of evills Wise men doe desire it as a rest after labours and an end of their evills S Basil saith Basil procem in regular fusius disputat This present world is the time of repentance the other of retribution this of working that of rewarding this of patient suffering that of receaving comfort Gregory Nazianzen also in his Funeral orations hath many sayings to this purpose Greg. N●z Orat. 9. ad Iustanum orat 42 in Pasch orat 15 in ●lagam grandinis and was so farre from supposing any Purgatorie or purging prepared for men after their death that hee plainely denieth That after the night of this present life there is any purging to be expected And therefore he giveth us all good counsell telling us That it is better to be corrected and purged now then to be sent unto torments there where the time of punishing is and not of purging And concerning the third point wherein he objecteth heresie It is true that Popish Priests cannot forgive sinnes because they be not the Ministers of Christ but of Antichrist and therefore for any to resort or to goe unto them for absolution or forgivenesse of sinnes must needs rather increase their sinnes then take away any The authoritie neverthelesse of Christ his Ministers to binde and loose and to remitte and retaine sinnes we denie not but affirme and maintaine against the Novatians or whatsoever other heretickes and therefore most injurious is my Adversarie other Papists in charging us with the heresie of the Novatians Micah 7.18 Esai 43. ●5 Mar. 2.7 Luk. 5.21 Revel 3.7 in that point Howbeit it is not an absolute but a Ministeriall limited power and authoritie which the Ministers of Christ have herein received For to forgive sinnes properly and absolutely is a priviledge prerogative proper unto God And therefore did Gregory the great Greg exposit 2. Psalm Poenit. Bishop of Rome say Quis enim potest peccata dimittere nisi solus Deus For who can forgive sinnes but God alone The power of releasing sins saith also Radulphus Ardens Radulph Ard. homil Dominic 1 post Pasch belongeth to God alone But the Ministerie which is also improperly called a power hee hath granted to his substitutes who after their manner doe binde and absolve that is doe declare that men are bound or absolved For God doth first inwardly absolve the sinner by compunction then the Priest outwardly by giving the sentence doth declare that he is absolved Peter Lombard also Master of the Sentences Pet. Lombard lib. 4. Sentent distinct 18. E.F. saith That God alone doth forgive and retayne sinnes and yet hath he given power of binding loosing unto his Church But he bindeth and looseth one way and the Church another For he onely by himselfe forgiveth sinnes who both clenseth the soule from inward blot looseth it from the debt of everlasting death this he hath not granted unto Priests to whom notwithstanding he hath given the power of binding and loosing that is to say of declaring men to be bound or loosed Est ergo in universis servientibus non dominium Optat. libr. 5. sed ministerium There is therefore saith Optatus in all the officers or servants not a dominion but a ministerie Behold Ambr de Spir. Sanct. 〈◊〉 ● c. 10 saith S. Ambrose that by the holy Ghost sinnes are forgiven men to the forgivenesse of sinnes bring but their Ministerie they exercise not any authoritie or power The power of forgiving sinnes saith S. Basil is not given to Christs Ministers absolutely Basil regul Brevior quast 25. but upon the obedience of the penitent his consent with him that hath the care of his foule Yea saith S. Ambrose neyther Angell nor Archangell can Ambros Epist. 28 ad Theod. Imp. nor the Lord himselfe when we have sinned doth release us unlesse we bring repentance with us Christ his Ministers therefore doe not nor ought to declare or pronounce remission and forgivenesse of sinnes to any but to such as Christ their Lord Master by the Tenor of his word hath warranted remission of sinnes unto For if they doe otherwise it is not ratified in heaven which they doe upon earth But all these three points have I handled in my former Booke where aswell as here they appeare to be Apostolicall and Orthodoxe truths and not hereticall or erroneous opinions Now then let all equall men judge how well and wisely this Quidam homo or quoddam animal Anomolon Pseudonymon this Adversarie of mine dealeth with me whilst he termeth me as he pleaseth and resembleth me to a Phripiers Prentice whose office is saith he speaking like a man of skil in that arte or occupation to goe from one Corner unto another searching old Ragges to line new clothes For I have borrowed saith he the shreds of my Religion from Simon Magus the Novatians and other heretickes How much this man is deceaved and mistaken doth now I hope more then sufficiently appeare by that which is before spoken Neyther indeed is it ours but his the Popish Religion that is thus patched and pieced of many and sundrie errors and heresies being therein like a beggars cloake consisting of many ragges and shreds sowed together as diverse Protestants and amongst the rest Doctor Willet in his Tetrastylon Papismi and that learned and Reverend Bishop Doctor Morton in his Catholicke Appeale for the Protestants being an Answere to Brerely the Priest have declared at large and in the many and sundrie particulars thereof Notwithstanding therefore whatsoever mine Adversarie hath said or can say to the contrarie it is apparant by the consanguinitie and agreement in Faith and doctrine which our Church hath with the Apostolicall writings that it was in the Apostles times and by them approved And this being the undoubted true Church and builded upon that inuincible and unruinable Rocke Christ Iesus against which the gates of Hell shall never prevaile must it not needes be supposed to have also a continuance in all succeeding times and ages even to the worlds end notwithstanding that Poperie or whatsoever other errors or heresies did grow up with it like Tares among the good Corne Yea that our Church that is people beleeving and professing the Faith and Religion that we doe was in the times and ages succeeding the Apostles even untill the dayes of the grand Antichrist and during all the time also even of the grand antichrist his raigne is likewise declared in my former