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A12940 A counterblast to M. Hornes vayne blaste against M. Fekenham Wherein is set forthe: a ful reply to M. Hornes Answer, and to euery part therof made, against the declaration of my L. Abbat of Westminster, M. Fekenham, touching, the Othe of the Supremacy. By perusing vvhereof shall appeare, besides the holy Scriptures, as it vvere a chronicle of the continual practise of Christes Churche in al ages and countries, fro[m] the time of Constantin the Great, vntil our daies: prouing the popes and bishops supremacy in ecclesiastical causes: and disprouing the princes supremacy in the same causes. By Thomas Stapleton student in diuinitie. Stapleton, Thomas, 1535-1598.; Horne, Robert, 1519?-1580. Answeare made by Rob. Bishoppe of Wynchester, to a booke entituled, The declaration of suche scruples, and staies of conscience, touchinge the Othe of the Supremacy, as M. John Fekenham, by wrytinge did deliver unto the L. Bishop of Winchester.; Harpsfield, Nicholas, 1519-1575. 1567 (1567) STC 23231; ESTC S117788 838,389 1,136

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saying S. Paule saith to the Heb. that the Lavv hath the shadovv of good things to come c. vvhere he speaketh not .588 generally of the vvhole Lavv but of the ceremonial part and Sacrifices vvhich vvere shadovves of Christ and his Sacrifice ād not of the Bisshops iurisdictiō after Christ vnder the Lavv of the Gospel Thus aptly also do your allegatiōs out of thold testamēt serue your purpose for one of the three to wit .29 of Exod. hath no woorde of this iurisdiction only it sheweth the manner of consecrating the Priest and the ceremonies the● about In the .24 of Exodus it is saide that vvhen Moses vvente vp into the Mount he said vnto the Elders Tary vs here vntil we retourne vnto you Beholde Aaron and Hur are here with you if any mā haue ought to doe let him come vnto them that is if any mater of cōtrouersie arise in mine absence let Aaron and Hur haue the hearing and deciding of it as I should haue if I vvere present By this place Aaron had no authority geuen vnto him but for a time in the absence of Moyses by commission from Moses the chiefe ruler and gouernour of Gods people and that not alone but hauing Hur one of the Elders an Auncient and a vvise man ioyned in commission vvith him This allegation maketh directly .589 against your conclusion for it shevveth that Aaron had this Authoritie but by commission from Moyses the Prince of the people In the thirde place Num. 27. vvhere God shevved vnto Moses that Iosue shoulde gouerne the people after him it is saied that Iosue should stand before Eleazar the Priest who shal aske Councel for him by the iudgement of Vrim before the Lord and at his word they shal go out and in both he and the people of Israell that is vvhan Iosue standeth in doubt vvhat to do for the better gouernment of the people either in the time of peace or vvarr he shal vnderstand Gods vvil therin by the high Priest to vvhom the Lord vvil miraculously declare his vvil and pleasure by the light or shining of the Vrim and Thumin and according to Gods vvil shevved in the Vrim to the high priest and by him to Iosue he must direct and order his goeing in and out Ergo say you The Bishoppes and Priestes novve in the tyme of the Ghospell haue Iurisdiction by the expresse vvord of God to keepe Courtes to call Councels to make Lavves and forinsecallie to visite refourme order and correcte theyr flockes and cures The moste simple can iudge of this .590 sequele After like sorte it is vvriten Deut. 17. That vvhan hard and doubtful cases come before the iudges or inferiour Magistrates vvhich cannot easely be tried or founde out by them than the inferiour Magistrates shall goe to the highe Prieste and to the chiefe iudge at Hierusalem for the tyme beinge vvhoe shall shevve vvhat is to be doone vvhose sentence and iudgement muste not be disobeyed vnder the paine of death Doe you not aptly conclude thinke you that the Bishopes in the time of the Ghospell ought to haue this Courtly iurisdiction bycause the high Priest and the .591 Temporall iudge did determine doubtfull cases in the time of the olde Testament For the Priest alone did not determine al causes as you seeme to alleage the texe The .8 Chapter Conteyning a Confutation of M. Hornes answer to the Obiections of M. Fekenham layed out of the olde lawe Stapleton IF a mā that hath an aduersary and such as he wil and must fight withall may first by some prety deuice fynde the meanes that his aduersarie may be caste in prison and when he shal come to the combate may appointe him also his weapon or by a sleight conueye awaye his aduersaries good weapon and in steade thereof geue him some feble weake and rotten staff to fight with then may this crafty false souldier sone be a conquerour It seameth now to me that M. Horne that pretendeth him self to be the prelate of the honourable order of the Garter doth much dishonour him self and sheweth to great cowardnes offering M. Fekenham in this combat to much wrong first procuring by sinister accusations that he was restrayned of his liberty ād then afterward in this his answere geuing M. Fekenhā by a prety legerdemaine as it were a poore slender and weke weapon for his inuasiue armure who otherwise had prouided for himself very wel I meane of such argumēts as M. Fekenham hath made which M. Horne taketh vpon him to soile and confute after what sorte ye haue partly sene and shal forthwith haue further experience M. Fekenham then argueth after this sorte In the olde Law which as S. Paule saith is a very figure of the new Moyses Aaron and Eleazarus being priests had the chief iudgment of matters Ecclesiastical without any commission from the cyuill magistrat Again al aswel cyuill magistrates and iudges as other were commaunded vpon payne of death to obey the determination of the priest in doubtful matters Ergo the laye Prince is not the supreme head or iudge in al spiritual and ecclesiastical causes Ergo the bisshops may visite and correct their flock without any commissiō of the Prince This is good reader M. Fekenham his good and stronge inuasiue weapon Ye shal now see howe M. Horn● doth slilie and craftely imbecile ād steale away this armure from him and geueth him as it were a bulrush in his hand and then steppeth forth like a new Gohath against litle Dauid And first ye may note what a profounde diuine he is that maketh yt a straunge thing to heare that S. Paule should take the old Testament for a very figure of the newe And yet this is so sure and so sounde a principle and so easie to be proued by all the new Testament and so throughly and conformably confessed as well of the Catholiks as protestants that I meruaile what Maister Horne meaneth thus to wrangle Nay saith Maister Horne yet S. Paule saith not so he saith in dede that the lawe hath the shadowe of good thinges to come but that perteyneth onelye to Christes sacrifice whereof the olde lawes sacrifices were shadowes and not to the bisshops iurisdiction vnder the ghospel Why Maister Horne is there none other place in S. Paule that may serue M. Fekenhams turne think you but this You know M. Fekenham quoted not this place which you alleage nor any other but being a matter so knowen and cōfessed left it vnquoted Therefore if S. Paule say so either here or otherwhere M. Fekenhās saying standeth for true What say you then to S. Paul that saith that which was writen in the old law thou shalt not mussel the mouthe of the oxe that treadeth out the corne to haue bene writen for vs and therby proueth that ●he laye men should temporally relieue their spirituall pastours Doth he not here take the old law for a very figure of the new Again doth
In these wordes orderly laied out as the Kinge spake them thou seest gentle Reader first that the King talketh not of this charge as M. Horn vntruly reporteth him meaning a charge ouer religion for the King expressely speaketh of the charge of his kingdome declaring that as he for negligence in his charge so the bisshoppes for negligence in their charge shal both increase the wrath of God Also that without his admonition which woordes M. Horne nipped quyte of in the middest the bisshop hath to preache to rebuke to punish and correct the transgressours of Gods lawe Such patched proufes M. Horne bringeth to pricke vp the poppet of his straunge fantastical primacye M. Horne The .65 Diuision pag. 37. b. After the death of Anastasius thēperor Iustinꝰ reigned alone a right catholike Prince vvho immediatly sent messengers vnto the bishop of Rome who should both cōfirm the autority of the sea ād also shuld prouide peace for al churches so much as might be with which doings of thēperor Hormisda the bishop of Rome being moued sent vnto thēperour with cōsent of Theodoricus Legats 178 Martinus Penitentiarius telleth the cause of this legacy vvas to entreate thēperor to restore those bishops vvhich the vvicked Anastasius had deposed This godly emperor Iustinus saith Martin did make a lavv that the Churchs of the heretiks should be cōsecrated to the Catholik religiō but this Decree vvas made in Iohn the next Popes daies The vvhich edict vvhē the King Theodoriche being an Arian saith the same Martin and King of Italy herd he sent Pope Iohn saith Sabellicus vvith others in embassage vnto thēperor to purchase liberty for the Ariās Iustinus receiued these Ambassadours honorably saith Platina and thēperor at the lēgth ouercome vvith the humble suit of the Pope vvhich vvas sauced vvith teares graūted to hī and his associats that the Arians shuld be restored and suffred to liue after their orders In this history this is not vnvvorthy the noting that the Pope did not only shevv his obedience and 180 subiectiō to the godly Emperor but also that the secular Princes ordeyned 181. Lavves ecclesiastical vvith the vvhich the Pope could not dispēce For al this busines arose about the decree vvhich thēperor had made in an 182. ecclesiastical cause or matter If the Popes authority in these causes had bene aboue the Emperours he needed not vvith such lovvlynes and so many tears to haue besought the Emperour to haue reuoked his decree and edict The 18. Chapter Of Iustinus themperour and Iohn the Pope Stapleton NOw hath M. Horn for this turne left Frāce and is returned to thēperours again but so that he had ben as good to haue kept hī selfe in Frāce stil. For though he decketh his margēt with the Pope is the Kings Ambassadour and again The Popes hūble sute for the Arriā heretiks which yet is a stark lie as we shal anō declare yet by that time the whole tale is told wherof this mā maketh a cōfuse narratiō neither he nor his cause shal winne any worship or honesty thereby I wil therfore opē vnto you gētle reader the whole story truly and faithfully and that by his owne authors Platina Sabellicus ād Martinꝰ This Anastasius was a wicked Emperor as M. Horne here cōfesseth And yet two leaues before he made a presidēt of his doīgs for deposing of bishops He defended Iohn the patriarch of Cōstātinople a great heretik who by his assistāce most iniuriously ād spitefuly hādled the Legats that Pope Hormisda sent to hī exhorting hī to forsake ād renoūce his heresy The said heretik Emperor Anastasius sent answere by the Legats to Pope Hormisda that it was thēperours part and office to cōmaūde and not the Popes and that he must also obey thēperor Surely a fair exāple for your new supremacy After the death of this Anastasius strikē with lightnīg frō heauē for his wiked heresy ād disobediēce succedeth this Iustin a right Catholik prīce by M. Horns own words ād cōfesiō who īcōtinētly sent to Rome his ambassadours which should shew dew reuerēce of faith to the see Apostolike Or as Platina in other woords writeth qui sedis Apostolicae authoritatem confirmarent That shoulde confirme the authority of the Apostolike See And what was that I pray you M. Horne but to confirme the Popes primacy so litle set by before of the wicked Anastasius and the heretical bisshop Iohn of Constantinople And therefore gramercye that forsakinge Fraunce ye haue browght vs euen to Constantinople and to the Emperour there sending his ambassadour to Rome to recognise the Popes most highe authority Yow tel vs yet farder that the Pope Hormisda sent Legates to Iustinus And there you breake of sodēly But what folowed Forsoth immediatly it foloweth in the very same sentēce which Iustinus receiued honorably the Popes Legats sendīg forthe to mete thē the more to honour thē a great multitude of Mōks and of other Catholik ād worshipful mē the whole clergy of Cōstātinople and Iohn their bisshop cōgratulating also At whose coming the Emperour thrust out of the City and the Churches the schismatikes called Acatiās of their Author Acatius whome Pope Felix had excōmunicated Nowe goe forth Gods blessing of your heart God send vs many moe such aduersaries And to say the truth M. Iewel and your fellowes are not much worse to vs. But yet goe forward for I hope we shal be more deaply bound to this good Catholike Emperour anon and to you to for bringing to our hād without our farder traiuail such good and effectual matter for the Popes superiority This godly Emperor made a law say you that the Churches of heretiks should be cōsecrated to the Catholik Religiō What did he M. Horn Happy are ye that he is fair dead and buried many years agoe for feare lest if he were now liuing your tēples ād synagogs would be shortly shut vp as they are nowe in Antwerpe and in al Flanders here God be praised But who telleth this Forsoth say you Martinꝰ Poenitētiarius But lo how wisely this tale is told as though both Sabellicus ād Platina the Authors of your narratiō did not write the like King Theodoricke tooke not in good parte but euē to the very harte these doings of Iustine And why M. Horne Because as ye say now like a true mā he was an Arriā Say ye so M. Horne Doth the winde wagge on that side now For Theodoricus was not two leaues before The most honourable King Theodoriche and the Supreame Head of the Church of Rome to But who saith M. Horne that he was an Arrian Forsoth say ye Martin and forsoth say I the matter is ones againe fitly and clerkly handeled For not onely Martin but Platina and Sabellicus from whome ye fetche your storie write it also This Theodorike sendeth his Ambassadours to Iustine yea he sendeth Pope Iohn him selfe who with most humble suite sauced as you
curtesy and mercye Totilas being afterward in possession of the City ▪ and fearing warres frō the Emperour Iustinian sent Pelagius to Iustinian to trauaile with him for peace sending him withall worde that in case he would inuade Italye he would destroye Rome and plucke it downe faste to the ground Totilas toke an othe of Pelagius and hys other ambassadours to doe hys message faythfullie and to returne againe they re ambassade exployted Pelagius most pitefullye and withe manie teares layethe before Iustinian the miserable state and the vtter destructiō and desolation of Rome impedente onlesse he woulde forbeare warre with Totilas yea he ād hys fellowes fell vpon theire knees most humblye beseching him to haue compassiō of the citye But in fyne Iustiniā would not relent Wherevpon sone after their returne Rome was set al on fier by Totylas and no lyuing creature man woman nor childe suffered there to inhabite Prye nowe M. Horne and pycke out here what ye can to establishe your primacye your folye is to open to be in this matter withe many words refuted Here is no one matter Ecclesiastical and that ye see wel inowghe and therefore your selfe as faste as ye can wou●de steale away from yt and proue your matter otherwise But Sir ye shall not so steale awaye but beside the note of extreme folye to busie your selfe and your Readers with that which your self can not deny nothing to towch spiritual matters but that ye shal carry with you a lie or two Els tel vs why you wil haue vs to note the Popes subiection to Totylas seing that neither Pelagius was then Pope Vigilius yet liuing at Cōstantinople neither was he any other way subiect then as to a Tyrant For Totilas who for his rage and crueltyes was called Flagellum Dei the Scourge of God at that tyme tooke Rome and entred with the conquest Pelagius did that homage to him to obtayne mercy for his poore Cytyzens And when Totylas seing him coming towarde him said What meaneth this ô Pelagius comest thou to me as a suppliant Pelagius answered sayinge Yea Sir I come to you seing God hath made you my Lorde But haue mercy I beseche you vpon ●our seruaunts haue mercy vpon the poore Captiue Cytie And this lo was the subiection of Pelagius made to Totylas which you wishe to be noted M. Horne as though it made any thing for the Popes subiection in spiritual matters Tel vs also whye ye write that he departed with reproche What reproche had he at Iustinians hand Your authour Sabellicus sheweth of none But see the mans folish wilynes In dede Sabellicus writeth that Pelagius was noted as a fauorer of Anthimus but then saith he withall that Pelagius did detest it of all thinges to seme to fauour him Wel to supply this defect of his superfluous liyng talk of Pelagiꝰ be brīgeth forth a decree against symony made by Pelagius and Narses th' Emperors deputy This is no mater of faith M. Horne no nor no new decree of maners but such as had bene decreed long before And therefore but an execution of the old Canons which Narses might medle withal wel inoughe There is then to make vp the mater yet ones againe a declaration concerning the interest of the Emperour in the election of Bishoppes and Popes too wherevnto at this time we nede not greatly to say any thing so much hath ben said hereof before M. Horne The .70 Diuision pag. 40. a. About the time of Pelagius the first his Papacy vvas there a Councel holden at Tovvers in Fraūce by the licence and consent of Arithbertus the King for the reformation of the Churche discipline vvherein appeareth that the Kings authoritie vvas .196 necessarily required to confirme and strengthen the discipline For vvhere they decree of the maides or vviddovves that shall not be maried vvithoute the consente of the parentes vvhiche is an especiall matter Ecclesiasticall they declare .197 the strength thereof to depend vpon the commaundement of the Prince Not onely say they the Kings Childebert and Clotharius of honourable memory kepte and preserued the constitutiō of the lawes touching this matter the which nowe the King Charibert their successour hath confirmed or strengthened by his precept Stapleton Nowe is Maister Horne reuolted to Fraunce againe but not to tarie there long For sodainly he returneth againe to Constantinople His short tale consisteth in two lyes First when he saieth the Kings authoritie was necessarily required to confirme the discipline of the Churche For that neither is in the Councell neither can be gathered out of it The second is that the Coūcel declareth that the strength of their Decree being a speciall matter Ecclesiastical dependeth vppon the commaundemente of the Prince For the Councell declareth onely that those good Kings of Fraunce kept the Constitution of the Churche in that behalfe and forced by lawe the due obseruation thereof Like as Iouinian the Emperoure made it death by lawe to defile a Virgin or Nonne Though that sinne before was by the Churche condemned All this doth but multiplie woordes It proueth nothing your imagined Supremacye Mary if you will knowe M. Horne what this Councell by youre selfe alleaged maketh for the Popes Supremacie I will not lette to tell it you The Fathers of the Councell do saye What Priest is he that dare be so bolde as to doe contrarye to suche Decrees as come from the See Apostolique And a litle after And whose authoritie may take place if it be not theirs whome the Apostolique See sendeth and maketh his deputies or Referendaries Our Fathers haue euer kept that which their authoritie commaunded Thus you fight well for vs but nothing for your selfe M. Horne The .71 Diuision pag. 40. a. The Emperoure Iustinianus calleth the Bisshoppes of all Churches vnto a Generall Councell at Constantinople the vvhich is called the fifte oecumenicall Synode to represse the insolence of certaine Heretiques vvho taught and mainteined Heresies and Schismes to the greate disquieting of the Churche againste the doctrine establisshed in the foure forenamed General Councelles In the time of this Councell Menna the Bisshoppe of Constantinople departed out of this life in vvhose roome the Emperour placed Eutychius The Emperour gouerneth and directeth all things in this Councell as the Emperours before him had done in the other Generall Synodes as appeareth by the vvriting vvhiche he sente vnto the Bisshoppes vvherein he shevveth that the right belieuing godly Emperours his auncestours did alvvaies labour to cutte of the heresies sprong vp in their time by calling together into Synode the most religious Bisshops and to preserue the holy Church in peace and the right faith to be sincerely preached and taught He allegeth the'xāples of Cōstātinus Magnus Theodosius the elder Theodosius the yonger and Martianus the Emperours vvho saith he called the former generall Councelles vvere present them selues in their ovvne personnes did aide and helpe the true confessours and tooke great trauaile vppon
the Pope to purge him selfe of the sayd murther Wheruppō certayn Legats were sent to him before whom vpō his othe he sayd that he neither cōmaunded nor willed that the Archbisshop should be slayne and added that he was neuer so sory for the death of his owne father or mother Yet did he not denie but by vnaduised words he gaue the murtherers an occasion of theyr fowle enterprise Wherfor he submitted him self to the Legats to enioyne him penaunce as they should thinke good Then was yt among other thinges enioyned him that he should breake and reuoke the foresayde statutes and ordinances for the which al this troble rose al the which cōditions the king by his othe promised to obserue This done the kings son also promised on his part to see these couenants kept But yet see the iuste iudgement of God As this king rebelled againste his spirituall father S. Thomas and his spirituall mother the Churche so did his sonne and heire with his two other sonnes Richard and Iohn rebell againste him confederating them selues with other the kinges subiects and with the Frenche and Scottishe kinges The king was browghte to this distresse that he wyste not in the world what to saye or what to doe and being destitute of mans helpe ranne to Gods helpe and to the helpe of his blessed martyr S. Thomas at whose greater miracles done at Canterbury all the worlde did wonder Wherefore forsakinge Normandy where he was in more saftie sayled into Englande and commynge towarde Canterbury before he entred the city puttinge of al his princely appparell lyke a newe kinge Dauid beinge presequuted of his Absolon for hys synnes as Dauid wente out of the citie barefoted so this newe Dauid beinge barefoted and all hys body naked sauinge that he was couered withe a poore and a vile cote vppon the bare beinge nowe hym selfe fearefull and tremblyng whom before so many nations feared and trembled with muche sighinge and gronynge wente to the Martyrs tombe where he continued all that daye and the nighte followinge watchfull and fastinge where he commended hym selfe to the blessed martyrs prayers Neither was he deceyued of his good deuotion and expectation as we shall anon declare Before the sayde tombe he toke discipline with a rodde of euerie monke and for his loue and deuotion to the martyr he renounced the foresayd yll statutes and customes for euer and onely sayd he woulde kepe suche as were reasonable and good Gulielmus Neuburgensis whome M. Foxe bringeth in to deface and disgrace this blessed martyr yf yt might be and yet not daring to tell either of other thinges writen by other or that I shall nowe tell yowe out of the sayde Neuburgensis sayeth that the sayd nighte there was avoyce that sayde to a good and a blessed monke at Canterbury beinge a sleape haue ye not sene sayeth the voyce the kings great and wonderfull humilitie Be thou assured that shortlye th ende of his affayres shall declare howe well God lyketh the same My authour sayth that he heard this from the mowthe of a reuerende Abbate who beinge the same tyme in Kente hearde yt from a credible and a faythfull reporter The nexte morninge the kinge heard masse before the tombe of the martyr and so departed The very same daye yea the very same howre that the king heard masse there vndoubtedly by the miraculous workinge of God the scottishe king without battayle scattered from the rest of his Army and after few strokes geuen was taken prisoner and afterwarde by litle and litle all his enimies aswell beyond as by hither the seas were quieted and pacified All the which prosperouse fortune the kinge did ascribe to God and to his gloriouse martyr S. Thomas to whome most certaynly it was to be ascribed Let M. Foxe nowe and his fellowes to rayle at this blessed mā as lōg as they will Let hī scrape hī out of his kalēder ād put in for hī heretiks theeues ād traytors ād let hī nowe if he can for very shame cal this man a traytour and cause his name to be abolisshed out of the Church boks as yt hath bene of late yeares Let them tosse and turmoyle as longe and as buselie as they will They shall but shewe theire extreme wyckednes and madnes blasphemously to cal him traytour whom the king him self to whō the offence was don if any were don worshipped as Gods holy martyr they shal but stryue against the streame or rather against God him selfe that hath geuen throwgh out al the world such a glorious testimony for him and for the cōfirmatiō of the catholike doctrine of his Church namely for the popes supreamacie Which answere I will also to serue against M. Horn cōcerning al his allegations here touching the doings of the king with this blessed Martyr M. Horn. The .122 Diuision pag. 78. b. In Germany succeded vnto Frederike Henry and next vnto him Philip both of them .428 inuesturing Bishops and suffering no Legates frō Rome to come into Apulia nor Sicilia according to the aforesaid composition The .22 Chapter Of Henry the .6 Philip and Otho the .4 Emperours Stapleton THat Henry and his brother Philip did inuesture bisshops yt is not likely and the matter woulde be better proued then by your bare worde Namelie seinge that Henrie the .5 made a full conclusion with Calixtus the second as we haue before shewed that the clergie should haue the election of they re bisshops By the which agreament the contention that had continued about a fiftie yeares for that matter was pacified And wheras ye refer your self to the aforesayd cōposition that they woulde suffer no Legats to come into Apulia and Sicilia the pope is muche bounde to you for therby ye proue his supremacy As from whom that Composition by way of dispensatiō proceded as your self before auouched and as in Nauclerus it wel appeareth M. Horne The .123 Diuision pag. 78. b. Next to vvhame succeded Otto surnamed of the Clergie the defendour of Iustice ▪ for vvher as the maner of Princes vvas saith Abbas Vrspurgens cheerfully and readily to geue benefices or Churches to those that did first aske them he woulde not so doe but he gaue all the benefices that fel as wel Ecclesiastical as Secular to those with whome he was acquainted c. This Emperour came into Italy claymed and .429 recouered al the right of the Empire that the Pope 430. vsurped vnder the name of S. Peters Patrimonie and called a .431 Synode at Norinberge about this matter ād touching the .432 Popes authority Stapleton Ye haue not as I said wonne so much creditte being so often taken in open lies that we may truste you vpon your worde Tell vs therefore I pray you what chronicler calleth this Otho the defendour of iustice and then tel vs by what good logike your for wil followe For methinke yt is but a selie slender for to say he was defendour of
our authour sheweth that as the Kyng was going northwarde the grounde opened and swallowed vp hys cartes and caryage that yt coulde neuer be recouered Wherevppon the Kyng fell into a greate griefe and heauinesse and fetched many sighes from the very bottome of hys harte And beyng at Swinstead surfeated with peaches and other fruite and there fell sicke And so beynge sicke departed and being not able to continue on horsebacke came in an horselytter to Leadforde castle and afterwarde to Newemarket where perceiuyng him selfe to be paste all cure and remedie he sente for the Abbatte of Crokestone that was skylfull in physicke of whome he was confessed and receiued the Sacrament of the holye Eucharistia And by and by he endeth this storie of King Iohn saying that because this king was hated of many partly for the death of his nephewe Arthur partly for his adultrie partly for hys tyranny partlye for the tribute by the whiche he browght England into a perpetuall bondage partly for the warres that hys doinges sturred vppe he was scarslie worthie to be bemoned and lamented for of anye man Here haue we now M. Foxe fyue authors by name and more aunciente thē your Caxtō and of an other iudgemente towching this kinges death then your Caxton is beside fowre some sayes at the leaste And now let vs weighe with a word or two the creditte of this yowr owne Authour I passe ouer that ye call yt the chronicle of William Caxton he being neither the maker neither the translatour sauing he hath adioyned out of Polichronicō the description of Englande and Irelande of Treuisa his translation and added as they say certayn other thinges to his vnknowen Author Belyke ye thowght to wynne some credite to your authour clothing hym with the name of this Caxton a man of late remembraunce because he hath no name of his owne And so a mete worke for you in the darke to lurke and lie withall and in dede vnworthy to haue the name of the chronicles of England or to be called Fructus temporum being as vnfruytful as any booke that was made many a .100 yeres Onlesse we may call him beinge barrē of al good truthe and choise of good matter fitte for a story of any credit or fruytful being only fruytful ād plētiful of wōderful vntruths and opē lewde lies I report me for his truth to his fable of the xxxiij Daughters of king Diocletiā king of Syria that after they had slain their husbands stole away by shippe into our Ilelād of Britannie whiche was then vnhabited and vnpeopled and afterwarde beinge conceyued by deuilles browght forth gyantes whiche inhabited the lande vntill the commynge of Brute that slewe them And that our Ilelande was called Albion of the eldest dawghter Albine as afterward Britānie by the name of the foresayd Brute Againe of king Arthure that being not able to kepe the possessiō of his owne realme from the Saxons caried an armie of one hundred thousande and more into farre countries hauing vnder his conducte a nomber of kinges and there slewe the Emperour of Rome ād discomfited his huge army wherin were aboue .5 or .6 hundred thousande armed men Make now M. Foxe the citezens of Rochester beleue that in the olde tyme by the prayer of S. Augustyne they re forefathers were borne with tayles or any wise man to belieue that king Ethelbertus ioyning with his frend Elfride the king of Northumberlād who yet was an heathen the other being christened leuied an army and set vppō the Britaines because they would not receyue and obey the sayd S. Augustine Make vs if you can beleue this with the vaine fabler Galfride a sadde Author with your felowe Iewel against the approued history of venerable Bede and of all other sence his time Make vs I say M. Fox by any good or probable demōstratiō belieue this and an hundred suche other fables for the which your Fructus temporum is vnfruitfull to his wise ād discrete reader and then tel vs and spare not of this mōk of Swīstead Otherwise he wer a very swyneshead that would be lightly and rashly perswaded by suche swynish fables Paynt ād picture thē as fast ād fayre as ye wil to make fooles fayn withal I say not this because I wil excuse hym or any other yll monke of they re nawghty doinges I do require but cōuenient proufe namely of you M. Foxe and your fellowes that are so precise with the Catholikes for their proufes And when ye haue al proued ye proue nothing to the purpose For the ill doings of some naughty packes can neither deface the truth of the Catholique doctrine nor yet spotte the honestie of other not cōsenting And as there is no likelihode the King to be after this sort poisoned so is it more incredible that this Monke had Masses continually songe for his soule and of all most incredible that it shoulde be confirmed by their generall Chapter No no M. Foxe thinke not to carie awaye the matter so Thinke not that al that reade your foolish lewd lying Martyrologe will straight waies without further tryall and examination take all for the Gospell And see how God hath prouided against your false lying fable a good and a conuenient remedie for them that will not willingly be caried away lyke fooles and beastes for the discredite of this your fable For seeing that your selfe hath here most impudently added that which is not at all in your authour that is concerning the confirmation of the generall chapter who will hereafter credite you or regarde your writinges or who wyll not thinke that your vnnamed and vnfruitfull authour hath either vpon to light credite set in this fable in his vnfruitfull booke or by like impudencie as ye haue fayned the generall chapters confirmation hath fained it or taken of some that fained it this whole foolish fond fable Goe nowe on M. Horne pleade on as you haue begonne and bring moe such examples I pray you M. Horne The .125 Diuision pag. 79. a. In this vvhile The French King helde a Councell at Cenomannia in Turon And after him King Lewes did celebrate a solemne Coūcel at Paris wherat was present the Popes legates Stapleton Plead on I say M. Horn ād tel your reader that king Lewes was supreme head because in a coūcell that he kept at Parys the Popes legat was present Wherby it rather followeth that it was kepte by the Popes supreame authority not by the kinges M. Horne The .126 Diuision pag. 79. a. In vvhiche time vvas Frederike the .2 Emperour out of doubt saith Auentinus an other Charles the great and without all controuersie most profitable for the Christiā cōmon wealth vvhiche not only helde the priuileges aforesaid in Apulia and Sicilia but in all his dominions and about this matter .433 tamed diuers Popes called and kepte diuerse Coūcelles asvvel by his Sonnes as by him selfe and ordeined certain .434 Ecclesiastical lavves
This to be so the Authoritie of Canons doth witnesse This the ecclesiastical history proueth This the holie Fathers confirme Lo you see M. Horne what the iudgement of Isidorus was aboue .900 yeres past howe iumpe it agreeth with the assertion of Catholiques now and how directly it ouerthroweth yours This therfore being so sure a Principle on our parte and so clerelie proued bethinke your selfe now M. Horne how your new Primacie wil be proued by this allegation Touching that you saie This Clergie in King Henries daies was not only of Diuines but also of the wisest most expert and best learned in the Ciuil and Canon Lawes that was or hath ben sence as D. Tonstal D. Stokesley D. Gardiner D. Thirlbie and D. Bonner by the euident falsehood whiche you practise in alleaging these witnesses a man may iudge with what fidelitie you haue handled the rest throughout your whole booke Who is ignoraunte that not one of these Reuerent Fathers did sincerely thinke that to be true which you here impute vnto them For whereas all vpright iudgement shoulde come of a mans owne free choise not stained or spotted either with the hope of priuate lucre and honoure or with the feare of great losse the one of those two things which of all other most forceably carieth men away from professing their owne conscience did stoppe those men from saying and vttering that which otherwise they would most gladly haue vttered sithens as they were put in hope of al promotion if they agreed with the Kings will of which they made I iudge the lesse accompte so disagreeing from the same they were certaine to loose bothe goods and life and also their good name in the shew of the worlde as who shoulde haue bene put to deathe by the name of Traitours whiche is the thing that all true subiectes doe chieflie abhorre Yet you knowe in suche sorte suffered a great many notable both for learning and vertue as D. Fisher Bishoppe of Rochester Syr Thomas More a great number of the Carthusians beside diuerse other of all estates You knowe also the matter then was not so sifted and tryed by learning as it hath bene since And we know they were the secrete snakes of your adders broode that induced the King to that minde not any of the Doctours here by you named who all againste their willes condescended therevnto Howe then are they broughte foorthe for witnesses of your heresies who for feare of deathe saied as you doe and that no longer then the foresaid impedimente laie in theyr waye For when the state of the worlde was otherwise that without feare of deathe they might vtter their minde freely who knoweth not that all they who liued to see those daies of freedome in all theire woordes and deedes protested that the Pope and not the King was head of the Churche vnder Christ Neuer hearde you M. Horne that when your owne brethren being arryued before D. Gardiner the Bishope of Winchester and then Chauncelour of England had saied they lerned theyr disobedience vnto the Pope out of his booke De vera obedientia c. then he aunswered that if they had bene good Scholers they would haue folowed theyr Maister in his beste and not in his worste doeinges Againe if they had erred through his Authority whē he was not so wel learned and grounded they should much more repēt and recāt through his Authority being nowe better lerned through longer studie and better grounded through longer experience And this Doctour Gardiner when he was moste of your side in this one matter yet he was so suspected of the Kinge for secrete conference with the Pope by letters to be sent by a straunger in the tyme of his embassye on this side of the Seas that as Master Foxe reporteth for this verie cause Kinge Henrie in all Generall Pardons graunted after that tyme dyd euermore excepte all treasons committed beyonde the Seas whiche was meant for the Bishoppes cause This ys that Doctour Gardiner who at Paules Crosse in a moste Honorable and full Audience witnessed not onely his owne repentaunce for his former naughty doings but also that King Henry sought diuerse tymes to haue reconciled hym selfe againe to the See of Rome as who knewe that he had vnlawfully departed from the vnytie thereof and had made hym selfe the Supreme Heade of the Churche of Englande altogether vniustly This is that Doctour Gardiner ▪ who lying in his deathebedde caused the Passion of Christe to be readen vnto hym and when he hearde it readen that Peter after the denying of his Maister went out and wepte bitterlie he causyng the Reader to staye wept him selfe full bitterlie and saied Ego exiui sed non dum fleui amarè I haue gone out but as yet I haue not wepte bytterlie And is nowe Doctour Gardiner a fitte witnesse for your secular Supremacy M. Horne Marcellinus the Pope being afearde of deathe dyd sacrifice vnto Idolles And the same Marcellinus repenting his vniuste feare dyd afterwarde sacrifice his owne bodie and soule for the loue of Christe suffring Martyrdome for his sake Will you nowe proue Idolles to be better then Christe by the facte of Marcellinus Or shall not the last iudgemente stande rather then the first What meane you then to alleage the iudgementes of Doctour Gardiner Doctour Thirlbey Doctour Tonstall and Doctour Bonner sith you knowe that all those chaunged their mindes vppon better aduise Or whie died Doctour Tonstalle in prisonne Or why lye the other learned godly Bisshops yet in prisonne if they are of your minde But if you knowe that they dissente vtterly from you and yet doe pretende to bring their Authoritie for you this fact declareth that you are not only a fond wrangler but also a wicked falsarie and that you knowe as well Saint Augustine whome you alleaged before so largelye and all the Councels and princes with al other Authours by you producted are none otherwise of your minde then are Doctour Thirlebie and Doctour Bonner whome you so impudentlie make to speake as Proctours in your cause albeit they are readie to shedde their bloude against this your opinion Once in maner the whole clergy of the Realme sinned most greuously by preferring the secular and earthly kingdome before the Magistrates of the heauēly kingdome But that sinne of theirs al those now abhor and haue before abhorred to whō God gaue grace to see the filthines and the absurdty thereof And surelye vntil the rest bothe of the clergy and of the layety do hartely repēt for that most filthy and absurd dede wherein they withdrewe the Supremacy from S. Peters successours and gaue it to the successours of Iulius Caesar vntill I say they repent for it and refourme that minde of theirs as much as lyeth in thē they cā neuer be made partakers of the kingedome of heauen But only they shal inherit the kingdome of the earth in whose Supremacy they put their cōfidence You Mayster Horn haue in dede great
time some Godly Princes that vvere othervvise geuē Eusebius in his Ecclesiasticall History maketh mention of one Philippus a moste Christian Emperour of vvhom and his sonne also being Emperour vvith him Abbas Vrspurgensis vvitnesseth that they vvere the first of al the Romaine Emperours that became Christians vvho also declared by theyr .515 deedes and vvorkes as Abbas saieth that they had in them the feare of God and the most perfect Christian faith Constantinus also the Emperour Father to Constantine the greate did moste diligently of all others seeke after Gods fauour as Eusebius vvriteth of him He did prouide by his gouernment that his subiectes did not only enioye greate peace and quietnes but also a pleasant conuersation in holines and deuotion towardes God Idolatours and dissemblers in Religion he banished out of his Courte and such as confessed Gods truth he reteined and iugded most worthy to be about an Emperour commaunding such to haue the guarde both of his person and dominion He serued and worshipped the only true God He condemned the multitude of Gods that the wicked had He fortified his house with the praiers of holy and faithful men and he did so consecrat his Court and Palaice vnto the seruice of God that his housholde companie was a congregation or Church of God within his palaice hauing Gods mynisters and what soeuer is requisit for a Christian congregation Polidorus in his Historie of Englande affirmeth also of this Emperour that he studied aboue al other thinges to encrease the Christian Religion vvho after his death vvas rekened in the nūber of saincts To these fevve adde Lucius a king of our ovvn country vvho although he vvas not in might cōparable to Cōstantine the mighty Emperor yet in zeale tovvardes God in abolishing idolatry and false religion in vvinning and dravving his subiects by al meanes to the Christiā faith in mainteining ād defending the sincere Christianity to the vttermost of his povver he vvas equall vvith Constātine and in this pointe did excel him that he longe before Constantine brake the Ise gaue the onsette and shapt a patern for Constantine to follovv vvhereby to vvorke that in other parts vvhich he had achieued vvithin his ovvn dominiō This noble king of very loue to true Religion .516 as Polidore testified of him Procured him selfe and his subiectes to be baptised caused his natiō to be the first of al other prouinces that receiued the Gospell publiquely did drawe his people to the knowledge of the true God banished at ones al maner of prophane worshipping of Goddes and cōmaunded it to be leaft Cōuerted the tēples of the Idolatours to be Churches for the Christiās And to be short he emploied and did bestowe al his seruice and power moste willingly to the furtheraūce and encrease of the Christiā Religiō whiche he plāted most sincerely throughout his countrey and so lefte it at his death almoste an hūdreth yeres before Constantine vvas Emperour and therefore vntruely sayed of you that Constantine vvas the very first Christian king that ioyned his svvorde to the maintenaunce of Gods vvorde Sithe this king Lucius so longe before Constantine did not only these thinges that Polidore ascribeth vnto him but also did thē of his ovvn authority vvithout any .517 knovvledge or consent of the Pope Nor Eleutherius then Bishop of Rome to vvhome aftervvardes king Lucius did vvrite to see some of Caesars and the Romaine Lawes vvas any thing offended vvith the kinges doinges but greatly .518 commending him therein councelled him not to stand vppon the Romain lavves vvhiche saith the Pope might be reprehended but as he began vvithout them so to go on and dravv Lavves .519 alonely out of the Scripture vvhich aftervvardes more at large the Saxon kinges as 520. Iune and Aluredus did The epistle of Pope Eleutherius to king Luciꝰ is as follovveth Petistis à nobis c. You haue desired of vs that the Romayne Lawes ād the Lawes of Caesar might be sent ouer to you the which ye would haue vsed in your kingdome of Brytanny VVe may at al times reproue the Romaine Lawes and the Lawes of Caesar the lawe of God we can not For ye haue receyued of late by the diuine mercy in your kingdome of Brytany the Lawe and faithe of Christ. Ye haue with you in your kingdome both the old and newe testament take out of them the Lawe by the grace of God through the councell of your kingdome and by it through Gods sufferaunce shall ye rule your kingdome of Britanie for you are the Vicar of God in your kingdom according to the Prophet King The earth is the Lordes and all that therein is the compasse of the world and they that dwell therein And againe according to the Prophet king Thou hast loued righteosnes and hated iniquitie wherefore God euen thy God hath anointed thee with the oile of gladnes aboue thy fellowes And againe according to the Prophet Kinge geue the Kinge thy iudgement O God and thy righteousnes vnto the Kinges Sonne For it is not geue the iugement and righteousnes of Caesar for the Christian nations and people of your kingdome are the kinges sonnes which dwel and consiste in your kingdome vnder your protection and peace according to the Gospel euen as the henne gathereth together her chickēs vnder her winges The nations indede of the kingdom of Britany and people are yours ād whom being diuided you ought to gather together to concorde and peace and to the faith and to the Lawe of Christ and to the holy Church to reuoke cherishe mainteine protect rule and alwaies defende them both from the iniurious persons and malicious and from his enemies VVoe be to the kingdome whose King is a child and whose Princes banquet early a King I name not for his smal and tender age but for follie and wickednes and madnes according to the Prophet King bloud thirsty and deceitfull men shall not liue out halfe theyr daies By banqueting we vnderstand glotonie through glotonie riotousnes through riotousnes al filthie and euil thinges according to Kinge Salomon wisdome shal not enter into a frowarde soule nor dwell in the body that is subdued vnto sinne A kinge is named of ruling and not of a kingedome so longe as thou rulest well thou shalt be king which vnlesse thou doe the name of a Kinge shall not consist in thee and thou shalt lese the name of a King which God forbid Almighty God geue vnto you so to rule your kingdom of Britanie that ye may reigne with him for euer whose Vicar ye are in the kingdom aforesaid VVho with the Father c. Stapleton M Fekenham will nowe shewe three causes why he can not be perswaded in cōscience to take the othe The first is for that Christe appointed to his Apostles and theyr successours being bishoppes and priestes and supreamacie of spiritual gouernmente and not to Princes being in Christes time and so cōtinuing idolators and
iudgements and trialles forinsecal also by excommunication depriuation or such like ecclesiastical punishmēts without a new commission from the Prince and to bringe nor reason nor authority nor Scripture nor Doctour nor coūcel nor exāple in Christes Church at any time practised for the cōfirmatiō of yt but only a decree of laye men contrary to their own Pastours and bishops it is such a kind of persuasiō as wel may be forceable to the hād ād the mouth to extort frō thē an outward cōsent for feare of displeasure but to the hart and cōsciēce of a Christē mā professing obediēce to Christ and his dere Spouse the Church ād perfourming the same it shal neuer be able to perce vnto As for the Sequele of M. Feckēhās argumēt whereof you say the most simple cā iudge as though it were but a simple sequele to infer vpō the Bishops authority in the old law the Iurisdictiōs of the bishops in the new Testament or vpon the example of Eleazar to inferre forinsecall as you call it iurisdiction in bishoppes it appereth by that hath ben said both that the deductiō frō the old law to the new is right good and such as your self most plētifully haue vsed in the first part of your book yea so far that you charge M. Fekn though vntruly for a Donatist for seeming to auoid such kind of prouf and also it appereth that a vaine thing it were for bishops now after the example of Eleazarus to haue the directing feeding and ordering of Gods people if thei had not withal power and authority to cal back such as goe a stray to punish the offenders to visit their cures to refourme disorders to make lawes for order to be kept c. in vain I say seing that the one without the other neither was at any tyme auaylable neither can by any reason possibly be auailable M. Fekenham The .165 Diuision pag. 110. a. The seconde in the newe Testament like as our Sauiour Christe did committe and leaue the whole Spiritual gouernement of his people and Churche vnto his Apostles and to the Bisshoppes and Priestes and the successours of thē So they did practise al Spirituall gouernment ouer them they did execute and geue iudgement in the Churche of Christe they did refourme order and correcte all disorder therein and that without all commission ayde or authority of any Temporall Magistrat King or Prince for the space of three hundreth yeres in the primatiue Churche of Christe vnto the time of Constantine he being the first Christian Kinge and Emperour which did ioyne his sworde to the maintenaunce of Gods worde M. Horne Like as the Apostles had in commission povver from Christe our Sauiour to vvhome al povver vvas geuen both in heauen and in earth so faithfully they executed the auth●rity and charge committed vnto them not seeking their ovvne honour by vsurpation but the glory of Christ by the abasing them selues euen vnto the death Their commission regestred by S. Mathevv appeareth in these vvordes Goe and teache al the nations baptizing them in the name of the father and of the sonne and of the holy ghost teaching them to kepe all things which I haue commaunded you Hovv faithfully they exercised this authority according to the commission S. Luke shevveth in his Chronicle called the Actes of the Apostles and setteth forth one notable example hereof in Paules oration made to the Elders of Ephesus called to Miletum He taketh them to witnesse that he kept nothing backe from them that might be for their profit but shewed them al the councel of God It is much 592 maruail that Paul shevved al Gods councel vnto them and yet made no mention of any Forinsecal iurisdiction as geuen them by the commission of Gods vvorde The godly Bisshops that succeded the Apostles for manye yeres after follovved the doctrine and examples of the Apostles yet .593 neuer exercising iurisdictiō Forinsecal neither iudging reforming ordering or correcting othervvise than bye preaching publikely or priuately vvithout especial consent and commission of their Churches during the time thei had no Christian Prince or Magistrate Constātinus as I haue said vvas not the first Christian King But he vvas the very first Emperour as your ovvne vvriters doe vvitnesse that .594 gaue Bisshops authority to iudge and exercise iurisdiction ouer their Clergy and that gaue to the Bisshop of Rome povver and .595 authority ouer other Bisshops as iudges haue the King ouer them and that gaue to him povver and iurisdiction ouer al other Churches if that Donation be not forged vvhich Gratian citeth And Petrus Bertrandus a Bisshop a Cardinal and one of your best learned in the Canon and Ciuil lavves in his treatise De origine iurisdictionum affirmeth that Theodosius and Carolus Magnꝰ did 596 graunt vnto the Churche al iudgementes For the proufe vvhereof he auoucheth diuerse decrees and .597 addeth That such grauntes were afterwards abrogated The .9 Chapter Of Spirituall Iurisdiction exercised by bisshops without Princes commissions and before Constantines time Stapleton MAister Fekenham bringeth now forth certain autorities of the new testament for the iustifying of his purpose as that Christ committed to his Apostles and to their successours the whole spiritual gouernement and that they did practise and exercise the same .300 yeres together without any maner of commission from Princes euē to the tyme of Cōstantin the great M. Horn thinketh it a sufficient answere with stoute asseueration voyde of al maner of probation to auouche that they had a commissiō he dareth not say now of their Princes being al or almoste al infidels but of their Churches Yea well and sone saide M. Horne but yf ye would withall haue layde before your reader but one authour old or new good or badde vnlesse perchaunce ye may bring some of your own fellowes and but one example for these .300 yeres we would the better haue born with you Now ye tel vs the Apostles did preach and baptise and other such extraordinary matters leauing the thing vnproued wherein lieth al the question betwene yow and M. Feckenham Your assertion is altogeather incredible and a very peeuishe fantasticall imagination that no man of the clergy or Laiety these 300. yeres was excōmunicated for any manner of offence no priest was forbydde to minister the Sacraments or deposed for his defaults by his bishoppe but by a speciall commission of the prince or whole Churche Ye may aswel pul downe the towre of London M. Horne with your litle finger as ye shall be able to proue this fonde assertion But yet before Cōstantinus the great his time ye think your self cock sure Let vs then see howe sure ye are euen of this your onely example Verely I suppose that no man lyuinge vnlesse he hath a brasen face would for shame of the worlde thus demeane him self in so graue and weighty matters and linck so many Lies together as lynes as you doe