220._o 221._o 3._o that_o they_o have_v such_o surety_n as_o will_v undertake_v their_o education_n in_o the_o true_a knowledge_n of_o god_n and_o faith_n in_o jesus_n christ_n but_o be_v it_o the_o manner_n of_o that_o place_n to_o be_v satisfy_v about_o these_o thing_n before_o they_o receive_v they_o to_o baptism_n do_v they_o inquire_v whether_o the_o infant_n be_v bear_v in_o the_o church_n of_o what_o parent_n or_o forefather_n or_o how_o the_o surety_n will_v undertake_v to_o educate_v the_o child_n in_o that_o faith_n to_o conclude_v that_o all_o misunderstanding_n of_o mr._n attersoll_n may_v be_v prevent_v let_v the_o reader_n consider_v one_o or_o two_o conclusion_n by_o the_o same_o author_n in_o the_o same_o chapter_n 211._o p._n 211._o 1._o conclus_fw-la that_o beside_o the_o join_n of_o the_o word_n to_o the_o outward_a sign_n there_o be_v necessary_o require_v a_o fit_a person_n to_o be_v partaker_n of_o the_o sacrament_n 2._o conclus_fw-la baptism_n be_v a_o common_a 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speed_n chron._n lib_n 7._o cap._n 36._o have_v we_o not_o read_v of_o the_o shichemite_n which_o be_v circumcise_v yet_o receive_v not_o the_o religion_n of_o the_o jew_n the_o chronicle_n of_o our_o land_n can_v tell_v we_o how_o the_o dane_n be_v vanquish_v propound_v to_o elfred_n the_o 24._o saxon_a monarch_n in_o england_n for_o obtain_v of_o their_o peace_n that_o their_o king_n shall_v receive_v baptism_n by_o which_o policy_n he_o get_v the_o country_n of_o the_o east_n angle_n by_o the_o gift_n of_o k._n elfred_n his_o godfather_n in_o those_o time_n it_o be_v usual_a to_o make_v baptism_n a_o condition_n and_o to_o compel_v man_n to_o baptism_n as_o king_n edmond_n do_v the_o dane_n to_o make_v they_o become_v his_o subject_n which_o be_v do_v they_o do_v soon_o cast_v off_o both_o faith_n and_o fealty_n at_o once_o and_o be_v not_o many_o of_o the_o mind_n of_o that_o roman_a pretext_n of_o who_o jerom_n speak_v who_o say_v scoff_o to_o damasus_n facite_fw-la i_o romanae_fw-la â—rbis_fw-la espiscopum_fw-la &_o ero_fw-la protinus_fw-la christanus_n i_o will_v conclude_v this_o passage_n with_o the_o censure_n of_o learned_a dr._n whittaker_n 292._o whittak_n praelect_a de_fw-fr sacram._n p._n 291._o 292._o absurdè_fw-la faciunt_fw-la ij_o qui_fw-la infidelium_fw-la liberos_fw-la baptizant_fw-la si_fw-la parent_n volunt_fw-la baptizari_fw-la quasi_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la svo_fw-la arbitrio_fw-la quibus_fw-la vellet_fw-la baptismum_fw-la dare_v posset_n they_o do_v absurd_o who_o baptise_v the_o child_n of_o infidel_n if_o the_o parent_n be_v willing_a to_o have_v they_o baptise_a as_o if_o the_o church_n at_o their_o own_o pleasure_n can_v baptise_v who_o they_o will_n pretence_n 2_o second_o pretence_n if_o the_o parent_n be_v no_o christian_n yet_o the_o surety_n be_v ans_fw-fr 1._o the_o customary_a use_n of_o surety_n in_o baptise_v infant_n though_o it_o seem_v ancient_a by_o the_o mention_n that_o be_v make_v of_o they_o in_o the_o synod_n of_o mentz_n 18._o synod_n mâ—gunt_n can._n 47._o aug._n serm_n 116._o 163._o epist_n 23._o ad_fw-la bonif_n tertull_n de_fw-fr bapt._n cap._n 18._o under_o the_o name_n of_o compatres_fw-la spirituales_fw-la spiritual_a father_n and_o mother_n and_o before_o that_o in_o augustine_n under_o the_o name_n of_o sponsores_fw-la and_o fidejussores_fw-la surety_n and_o before_o he_o in_o tertullian_n under_o the_o name_n of_o offerentes_fw-la presenter_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o from_o the_o ancient_n of_o day_n it_o be_v not_o from_o the_o beginning_n neither_o in_o the_o first_o institution_n of_o baptism_n nor_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n in_o the_o first_o century_n the_o first_o original_n of_o this_o custom_n seem_v to_o be_v this_o that_o they_o that_o take_v the_o child_n from_o the_o minister_n when_o it_o be_v baptize_v shall_v be_v call_v spiritual_a father_n and_o mother_n that_o the_o difference_n between_o the_o first_o and_o second_o birth_n of_o the_o 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