s Lib. 10. Macazar Not far from thence is s Lib. 10. Cetigano you terme it Cerignano one of the Ilands called Celebes Siligan is a town Butuan Piâ—…iliran and Camigu three things called kingdomes but all these t Ibidem foure within the Ile Mindanaus u Lib. 12. Supa is a small place nere 〈◊〉 Sian and that is an Iland towne beyond the Promontory of Malaca turning vp farre to the North. u Lib. 8. Bacian is one of the Moluccos Solar or rather x Lib. 16. Solor is an I le about 300. leagues froÌ„ Malaca being 8. degrees distant from the Aequator toward the South y Lib. 1. Malacca is a citty in that Promontory of India which was wont to be called Aurea Chersonesus is now tearmed Malaca of the city Selebi or rather z Lib. 8. Celebes is principally one Iland nere the Equinoctial but other adioining haue that name coÌ„municated to theÌ„ Thus haue we ended all that be nere to the East Indies The Iland of S. a Osor. Hist. li 3. Thomazo or S. Thomas lyeth directly vnder the Aequinoctial line over against that part of Africa which is tearmed Manicongo or rather a little higher theÌ„ it That which you name S. Domingo is it which in Latin is called b Pet. Mart. Decad. 1. 2. Dominica having that appellation given to it because it was discovered on a Sunday which in Latin is named Dies Dominicus It lieth toward America but much neerer vs then Hispaniola doth and it was one of the Ilands where the Caribes or Canibals did dwell before the comming of ColuÌ„bus toward the West Indies c â—…d Decad. 1. l. 6. Madera is one of the fortunat or Canary IlaÌ„ds lying some few daies iourny South-west ward froÌ„ Spaine You might if it had pleased you haue added the rest of the Canaries and the Azores as also all that lie neere America as Cuba and Hispaniola and many about them also the Philippinas and I cannot tell what But my conceite is that you went no farther because the Author or Copy which you followed weÌ„t no farther For I deale plainly with you I do not hold you gilty of the knowing where al these places be And yet it were no huge labor in the reading over of such an Authour as the d Hist. India aut select Epistol Iesuit Maffeus is to take the wordes heere and there as hee relateth the comming in of the Portingales or the pretended labours of his felowes But I smell it to be borrowed from some other man as your e RatioÌ„ 3. enumeratioÌ„ of Heretikes was from Staphilus In which respect I call to minde howe once on a New-yeares day in the morning a Parish-Clarke in Oxford brought to the Minister of that Parish certaine Latin verses as a token for the Newe yeare The Minister seeing them before he reade them said that hee thaÌ„ked him for his paines but added that he did not thinke that he could haue made a Latin verse The Clarke with an humble smile looking on did no way deny but that the verses were his owne But when the other had reade them he altered his opinion and tolde him that they were taken out of a Printed booke It is true indeede saith the Clarke but Sir I tooke the paines to write them out for you Even so much paines have you taken ignorantly from some ignorant fellowes collections to write these names out for vs. 16. I am induced to think so not only because you have played such pageants before but much rather because a sober man may wel thinke that if you had known what you did or had had any true vnderstaÌ„ding of the matter you wold never have made such a clatter to so small a purpose For it may well be supposed that there be no such places as some are named by you some other of them are so meane as that to this day they never could finde place in any mappe whatsoever published to the worlde Onely they are mentioned by one Iesuite who cannot lye and he maketh every meane man a King if he once parled with a Iesuite he shall want no title You have reckoned vs vp heere one and forty names many of them in themselves small base and inferiour things if diverse of them be ordinarily tearmed Kingdoms yet the whol couÌ„try is not so great as a prety shire in England some of the Ilands are as meane as the I le of Wight is If you will stand on it that these be kingdomes yet wee can make you answere that very many of the Kings of the East couÌ„try are Lordes but as over moale-hils and so it was some thousands of yeeres agone f Gen. 14. 2. You may reade of the King of Sodome and of the Kinge of Gomorah as also of the Kinge of Admah and of the Kinge of Zeboim and yet all these lived vvithin a small compasse of ground For the one and forty names which you note vnto vs you may reade of g Iosu. 12. 9. one and thirty Kinges indeede with whom Iosuah had to deale and yet all their dominion was so within Canaan that the territories of all their regiment was not so much as England alone without Scotland ioyned to it And yet if an ignorant man shoulde heare the names of all those Kinges as they are set downe by Iosua he would looke as much about him as one of your silie Papists doth at those heere in your booke To let them therefore know how you egregiously abuse them you haue said as much as if I should speake in this sort His Maiesty of England hath a great many good subiects I begin to give the instance in Suffex because I heare that this Pamphlet is much in request among backward people there as in the great city of Chichester in Arundel in Rye and in many other good places there about Also in Sandwich with all the Cinque portes and the liberties of the same yea in the Iles of Shepy and Tenet with other lying at the landes end fast by Essex yea adde herevnto Hul New-castle vpon Tine the strong towne of Barwike And if a man should tel this to some vnlettered Italian who lyeth a great way hence he might be made to wonder but the truth were no very high matter Thus it is with these places named which are onely cities townes or angles standing along the sea coast vpon the shore of the Indies and interrupted or intersorted with heathenish dominions or else they are Ilands in the selfe same quality And in many of these if there were some said to be baptised 20. or 40. yeares agone or if there be now but 5. Portingales or Spanyards which keepe a shop or ware-house yet there is the Romish faith Which our Author who never vseth but to cast at All as it seemeth doth acknowledg wheÌ„ coÌ„trary to his custome he hath an extenuation It is happilie received of
giue them a milder appellation of Romanistes and Papistes or in Lâ—…in Pontifiâ—…ij because they fetch their Dictates and Oracles from Rome and more respect the voice of their Pope then the voice of Almightie God they not sparing to thrust that miserable man into Christs place and to make him not so much a ministerial aâ—… 〈◊〉 monstrous head of their vn-Catholike Congregation And since the name of Papists doth so please the that in the former Chapter they â—…ssume it and in this Chapter they 〈◊〉 it giving reason vvhy they shoulde haue it as beeing all one vvith their pretended Catholikes wee will not envy it them but vvith good liberty they may take it Neither shall they neede to trouble themselues so farre as to cite Saint Chrysostome for the ratifying of it His words are these f Homil. 33 in Acta But if we wil also haue the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of any man it is not as from the beginners of heresies but as from those who are rulers â—…ver vs do governâ—… the Church The reason of which speech in that reverend Father I cannot hastily gesse at since wee finde not that in or before his time the Christians were called by the name of any of the Rulers over the Church not Petrians noâ—… Paulians nor any such name Only his owne adversaries tearmed theÌ„ who did sticke close vnto him g Soâ—…omen lib. 8. 21. Iâ—…ita his proper name being Ioannes and the appellation of 〈◊〉 beeing afterwarde given vnto him as a Cogâ—… for his eloquence In which respect it is probable that for the defence of himselfe and those which followed him in the truth he did vse the words before cited T. HILL BVt yet the Catholikes are not called Papists but only of a few Lutherans in Germany and of some other their adherentes in other countreyâ—…â—…ere about for in Greece Asia Afrike and in the Inâ—…s as iâ—… Italy Spaine Sicily and in other countreyes of Europe the 〈◊〉 of Papists iâ—… vâ—…terly vnknowne The name therefore of Papists is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 vsed but only of a few and never heard of before Luther 〈◊〉 for that hee coulâ—… not call them after the proper name of any one man because there was nevâ—…r any such in the Church which â—…ther brought vp any new doctrine or changed the Religion of his Predecessours G. ABBOT IF you would you might quickly know that names are given for distinction sake wheÌ„ those persons to whom the names belong are to bee distinguished from a generall sort they haue names more generall but when from a speciall comprehended in their own generall they are to haue appellations more special In Greece if a man had beene disposed to put a difference betweene one that was learned and the vulgar vnlearned people it had been a good note of distinction to say he is a Philosopher But when the question grew betweene several Sects their opinions then for more particular difference it was not enough to say that Diogenes was a Philosopher but he was a Cynick such a one was an Epicurean another a Peripaâ—…eticke this an Academike that a Platonicke In some sence it is enough to say that in the yeare 1588 her Maiesty of England had against the Spaniard a campe of so many thousand English resolute meÌ„ religious and well appointed but when there is question of particulars in that campe then the Oxford-sheere men had those Captaines the Wilt-shire men these and their colours were several So if in India or Asia the opposition must be betweene the Infidels or Mahumetans on the one side and the servants of Christ of what sort soever they be on the other side it is enough to say in generall thus or thus do the Christians But if there be occasion to particularize any thing then the Christians in Spaine or those in Germany are thus and thus affected VVhen speech is of the doctrine of Mahomet opposed to Christianity the name Mahumetane will comprehend the Persian and his subiects the Turke and his vassals the kings of Argier Tunis and Marocco and all that are vnder them But when we talke of the difference in Mahomets profession betweene the Turke and the Persian vvhich hath on either party cost much bloud we say the Persian thus holdeth the Turke beleeveth thus Wheresoever in Christendome there is disagreemeÌ„t in ReligioÌ„ some holding for the Pope and some other against him there the name Papist is frequent this is not only in Germany but God be praysed for it in Norway and Sweden and Denmarke in Polonia in Fraunce England Scotland the Low Countryes whersoever else the Gospell is knowne either openly or secretly Yea in Italy Spaine and Sicily not only the name of Papistes but the whole doctrine of Popery woulde quickely come in question were it not for your bloudy Inquisition or cruell massacring otherwise of such as bend not that way And yet they be not able to extirpate Gods truth As for the Greekes they loue you not neither like of your Religion and Asia Africa and the Indies knowe very little of our differences in Profession vnlesse it bee by the Christians themselves and that onely heere and there as at Aleppo peradventure or some other Marte towne except you vvill name a fewe creekes or corners of Africa and the East Indies where the Portingales have incroched or those partes of the VVest Indies where the Spaniards have devoured vp almost all the olde inhabitants and planted themselues and to aske of these Portingales and Spaniards whether they bee ought but Catholikes is not to aske a mans felow but to aske a mans selfe whether he be a theefe or no But surely the Infidels or Turkes or Greekes do neither call you nor know you by that name And if Luther were the first who gave you that title of Papiste which pleaseth you so much you are behoulding to him for fitting you so right not that you might not lustly have bin so called before But hee having occasion to display your impiety to the full and God inableing him with learning and knowledge as also with spirit and wit for that purpose hee gave you a name most sutable to your nature which is the truest vse of appellations and names It very well agreeth with you for if Christians be those who harken vnto Christ and are directed by him you may well be Papists who depend on the onely voice and direction of the Pope T. HILL WHereas 〈◊〉 Heretikes have â—…ver take their names of some one who began that Havesy as the Nestorians of Nestorius the Pelagius of Pelagius Lutherans of Luther Calvinists of Calvin c. And although Luther tearmed them Papistes yet knevve hee so vvell in his conscience that they ever had beene and ought to bee called Catholikes as that he caused his followers to change their Creede in saying I beleeve the Christian Church and not I beleeve the Gatholike 〈◊〉 Mo. 1. Church for feare least they should be thought to
where had hee all his mony but out of Saint Peters purse and from the in-come of the Papacy Yea since warres be more costly then peace where had he all the treasure which he bestowed on the Italians whom he sent into o ImportaÌ„t considerat Ireland whereof few brought him any tidings backe againe or on Stukley his traine many other such good businesses How do you bob your scholers wheÌ„ you give them such googeos Truth it is that he speÌ„t more in erectiÌ„g such houses theÌ„ either his Predecessors or Successors have done He who writeth the life of p CoÌ„cenat Eccl Cathol in Anglâ—… CaÌ„pian saith that he erected a Seminary at Rome for the English at Rhemes another one at Lauretum for the SclavoniaÌ„s one for the Germans at Rome another for the Greeks q In vita Gregor 13. Pâ—…pirius Massâ—…s doth not leave him there but saith that hee commaunded that such houses also shoulde bee erected out of Italye as one at Uienna vpon Danubius another at Vilva in Lituaniâ—… a third at Claudiopolis in Transilvania and in Iaponia neere â—…udia hee commanded three Colledges to bee built But hee doth not tell vs at whose charges these were erected or what was given to maintaine them And certainly they were for the most part but poore starved things such as whereof they themselues do make small boast The glory of his actes was the maintenance of the English Colledgâ—… where at the first he gave monethly at r Apolog. cap. 3. Rome out of his treasury three hundred crownes and one hundred to the other neerer England as Persons reporteth which arising at the vttermost by the yeare to no more then fifteene or sixteene hundred pound Englishe it was but a small pull out of the Popes revenew Yet how long this full pay lasted no body can tell And we must take it to be so on Father Persons his bare word who as one of the s Io. Colletons iust defence pag. 298. Seculars reporteth hath in that booke as many lies as leaves or perhaps pages if not so many as exceed either Now who doth not know that the tribute which the Curtiâ—…anes of Rome do yeerely yeeld to the Pope by many degrees amouÌ„teth that trifling suÌ„me And out of that honest pay he might wel spare a part to maintaine such as would be his vassals do their best to helpe him in far greater matters And their allowaÌ„ce being extracted out of this sweet Impost the speech of one of our couÌ„try-meÌ„ might the better be verified which I coÌ„fes was very blouÌ„t but you must take it as it is He getteth it quoth he by whores therefore hee may more boldly bestow it vpon knaves His zeale to his Prince country which were disturbed by such Emissaries made him speake more plainely then many will like 11 But it is your favourable interpretation when you construe Gregories meaning to be nothing but winning of people to heaveÌ„ the restoring of religion The Court of Rome hath an eâ—…e to somewhat else besides this It vvas not for naught that it vvas wont to be said by a truer speech then verses Curia Romana non captat ovem sine lana In court of Rome doe not abide such geese A sto catch after sheepe that have no fleece A great part of Christendome hath with-drawen it selfe from that see and therefore somewhat must bee adventured to gette some parte of it backe againe Nothing adventure nothing haue Gregorie was not so ignorant but that hee knevve that rule of s Commâ—…tar lib. 〈◊〉 Câ—…us that great men must do good that to diverse if many be vnthankful or some by in-ability can do nothing yet it may fall out that one may require all that cost which hath biâ—… bestowed on the rest If but one of those couÌ„tries in ChristeÌ„doÌ„e which are now freed froÌ„ the Pope could be brought back againe by the helpâ—… of his AluÌ„nes that would pay for the charges of all the other But England especially was a faire floure in the Popes garland therfore nothing must be left vnatteÌ„pted to see what good might be done thervpoÌ„ WheÌ„ t Onuphr in Iulio 3 Iulius the 3. was advertised from Q. Mary that England was by Parliament re-submitted to the Church of Rome he made solemne Processions publike thankesgivings throughout his whole chiefe city The men who were coÌ„ming toward him were somewhat to reioyce his old spirits but the mony was more What with the soules what with the silver which he devoured in his hope he was exceedingly coÌ„ teÌ„ted Their Records could tell theÌ„ that EnglaÌ„d of all places was their garden like Paradise that heere they had more worke theÌ„ in any one natioÌ„ in ChristeÌ„dome which may be seene by so many solemne Rescripts directed into this our country and now to be fouÌ„d in the body of their CanoÌ„law And they did not loose their labour by looking this way It was busines to theÌ„ more gainfull then the robbing of beggers If u Matth. Par. in Henric. 3. three huÌ„dred yeeres agone the Popes could say of EnglaÌ„d Est 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 It is a pitte that cannot be drawâ—… dry they cannot but imagine that now the world is well amended some skrapes and fragments of the Indian gold and silver being come amongst vs also to amend our little store This I tell you is a faire baite to make Gregory the thirteenth and Clemens the 8. also to have a monethes minde vnto vs. You â—…ell vs of another matter but we doe not doubt of this But God ever blesse vs froÌ„ any more such bargains And as the maÌ„ of Rome in maintaining of the English Colledges may well be supposed to have longed after this our Realme that heere he might exercise his spirituall Iurisdiction so it is as easie to conâ—…eave and as probable to beleeve that when Philip the second and this present King of Spaine have beene at that charge to keepe an Englishe Seminarie at Dovvâ—…y and a Colledge at Validolid and other companies else-vvhere and that vvith so large expence as to send two u Apolog. cap 3â—… thousaÌ„d crownes at a time they were not without hope that the teÌ„porall dominioÌ„ of this kingdome might one day befall a Prince of Spanish blood And this our fugitive Iesuites have beene ready to put into those Monarkes heades assuring that the end of one Ladies raigne would be the beginning of anothers But he who sitteth in x Psal. 2. 4. heaveÌ„ doth laugh their devises to scorne he hath deluded their sooth sayings frustrated theâ—… y Weston in Peâ—…oration Prophecies made their hopes in vaine so that shame and confusion is on their face which as we trust will humble them bring many of theÌ„ to discerne the truth The Lord be praised for all his wonderous workes and give vs grace to be thankfull for theÌ„ Notwithstanding in the meane while it is much to be feared that the
Pope and Spanish King finding themselues to be abused by lies and tales and fond bragges of Persons and Crâ—…swel UUorthington and VVeston and such other mates and that in all worldly presumption they are farther from their expectation then ever they were will with-draw that exhibition wherwith hitherto they have charged themselves and turne both our old and young maisters a grasing to see if they can make any other shift and with their Iesuitical facings beguile other Princes also Perhaps for safegard of their owne honour this shall not at first be done least all men should say that it was not for absolute devotion that they were at this expence but before it be long wee will expect such newes It may bee that God may vse this as a meanes to bring some of them to heaven T. HILL MAny holy and religious Priestes do goe daily into Germany into Hungary into Greece into Palestina into Aegypt into Syria into Aethiopia into Africa into Moscovia into Ireland into Scotland into England and into other hereticall and heathen countries yeelding themselves to all daungers by sea and land and to all vvorlaliâ—… miseries having mortified all their carnall affections renouÌ„ced all riches honours and kinred and having made themselues most ready for their grave and consequently for another world moved onely by the zeale of saving soules And it moveth me not a little to see what patience mildnesse and quietnesse these men vse in all their doings G. ABBOT 11 THat the men whom you send abroad are holy and religious you must give vs time to credit heereafter but that many of them are simple men sent like z Prov. 7. 22 SalomoÌ„s foole blind-folded to the stocks we easily beleeve Your great craftie coÌ„panions such as Allen Barret Hâ—…lt were as Gifford Worthington now are keepe themselves safe inough It was but a copy of a Concert Eccle. â—…athol in Angl part 2. Goldwâ—…ll some times Bishop of S. Asaph his countenance that he would come backe hither By that time he came to Rhemes his minde was altered he was sicke forsooth he was too well knowen in England Persons was once heere but he thought longe ere he was gone He would b Apolog. cap. 12. excuse his running away but the Seculars hould it inexcusable It may well be seene what mind the olde foxes have to come hither by that so many of them tooke their Degrees of Doctor-ship of Divinity as that there were seaven of theÌ„ English in that one Colledge at Doway if a bird of their owne nest did report truth within these five yeares WheÌ„ these did hould themselves more exempt theÌ„ coÌ„mon meÌ„ froÌ„ the ordinary missioÌ„ his c Sept. 18. 159â—… â—…o Collet ust Defeâ—…ce fol. â—…54 Holines was inforced to inhibite that any more of theÌ„ should take that highest Degree in Divinity or lawe but by speciall leave of Superiours and on straight coÌ„ditions And I would gladly learne of any man what one of any worth hath now for these divers last years bin sent hither froÌ„ the Seminaries Al the late coÌ„mers for ought that caÌ„ yet be discovered are but simple fellows howsoever they somtimes are magnified by some of their owne party more vnlearned theÌ„ theÌ„selues Luscus dominatur inter cacos But the true matter of their going abroade is this VVhen they are admitted into the Seminaries they are all bound by a positive othe or vow that they shall be at the direction of their Superiours to goe whither soever they shall imploy them And this doth d Anolog cap. 11. Persons boast to bee his devise touching the English Seminaries at Rome and in Spaine Heerevpon they take occasion to ridde them oft away sending them not as sheepe but as wolves to the slaughter If they be seditious they have learned the precept of e De legib Dial. 5. Plato for the purging of ill humours they must away If they see them sufficiently armed to do mischiefe they must away So must they doe if their maintenance growe shorte And if there be nothing else yet the sinke must be emtied if not wholy yet some part to make roome for more filth coÌ„ming This sendeth the poore boy-Priests other silie ones abroade who being put to this exigent make the best of it encourage one another in the hope of gaining soules to the Devil But wheÌ„ they come to places of daÌ„ger blind bayard may be bold but that sorte which hath more wit then grace will make some shift for theÌ„selves TheÌ„ they may coÌ„ceale one part of a senteÌ„ce to theÌ„selves speake the other falsely then they may equivocate speake doubtfully yea theÌ„ if need be they make an vntrue othe as being câ—…ruÌ„ non Iudice TheÌ„ some truly turne to our religioÌ„ save both bodie and soule Other will counterfeite so much at the next occasion relapse to their vomite Some vnder a colour of detecting much to the State come into the chiefe magistrates and open all that they can and so they are the freer from daÌ„ger Other being Prisoners sue to the LL that they may be heard to excuse theÌ„selves lay all the former treason on the Iesuites the partakers with the Arch-Priest And the rest lye hid more respecting their own safty theÌ„ the charge of their Supe riours Thus we are sure that here they do As for Greece or Palesti na Aegypt or Aethiopia the other farther regioÌ„s here named few of theÌ„ go thither such as are imployed doe only serve for spies to vew the actioÌ„s of great Princes Stats in the world so to inform the Spanyard or other who much depeÌ„d vpoÌ„ him wherby the Spanish King may take opportunity so to inlarge his dominioÌ„s or to enter new coÌ„modious trafficke or at least to defeat such forces as are prepared against his Portingales in the East Indies HeÌ„ce it is that these Priests coÌ„cealing their professioÌ„ take the greatest care that they caÌ„ to learne the languages or to make mappes of the couÌ„tries But where be those Turkes or SaraceÌ„s or EthiopiaÌ„s or Infidels which may truly by theÌ„ be said to be woÌ„ne to the ChristiaÌ„ faith I would heare of some one maÌ„ or woman of note indeed brought by theÌ„ to the flocke of Christ Iesus I know they talke much of the Easterne parts but there the harvest may be laid into a little barne In the daies of Gregory the 13. their great States-maÌ„ f Possevâ—… de rebuâ—… Moscov 〈◊〉 Pâ—…ssevinus the Iesuit was imploied to coÌ„vert vnto the Romish beleefe Ivan Uasilich the Emperour of Russia and his people of Moscovia And indeede the Great Duke did listen to his mediation for peace betweene himselfe and Stephen Batour King of Poland who had then by warre a great hand vpon the olde man but not a man or women in Moscovy did there-vpon embrace the Romane doctrine And such are commonly the gaines which they make in other remote places
if matters be wel sifted Now if it be so that Priests do go to such countries as you intimat what should they otherwise do for to their own natiue soile many of theÌ„ dare not returne as being fled thence perhaps for slâ—…gitious crimes other haue there no maintenaÌ„ce nor friends so besids the dà ger of the laws they should be to al meÌ„ ridiculous conteÌ„ptible who haue traveiled so farre brought home with theÌ„ I say not liuelyhood ability but no learning or good quality And in the Seminaries they may no longer stay but if they should refuse g Apolâ—… 12 Priest-hood or offer to stay being coÌ„maÌ„ded away they would be held periured persons with coÌ„tumely be turned out therfore I cannot blame theÌ„ if they rather adventure any where vpon vncertaine hope theÌ„ run vpoÌ„ certaine daÌ„ger If needs they must beg they think it the more their credit to do it in far couÌ„tries then where they are known And this if they should grumble as whither they do or no theÌ„selues can best tell to whom may they complaine or who shall amende ought since their penurious or hard harted superiors ingeminate vnto them the vow of obedience that is their amends 12 But how some of these Priests Iesuits haue mortified their affections lusts coÌ„posed theÌ„selues to their graues may bee iudged by their gallaÌ„tnes in apparel their gaming their striving for place superiority their tos-potâ—…ing other such behavior as hereafter I shal touch Now let me rather see whither they haue renouÌ„ced al riches hâ—…nors or no That our Seminarians come into EnglaÌ„d most poore it is not to be doubted Yet that some of theÌ„ here haue purles ful of gold as h Dec'arat of popish Impostâ—…es exam of Sar will Dibdale other that some speÌ„d many i Sparing Discor of Iesuites huÌ„dred pounds by the yeare that some ride in their k Ibidem Coches vp downe the country is a matter confessed not to be doubted vpon How many are the cousening cunny-catching tricks wherby they haue drawn out l Quod 3 10. thousands of pounds out of their ghostly childrens purses Is it not avowed that m Sparing Discovery 2200 pouÌ„ds at one time was by theÌ„ sent over seas out of EnglaÌ„d Nay are not the riches of the Iesuits so great that warning hath bin given by one of their own religioÌ„ that all christendoÌ„e had need to look to theÌ„ lest they aspire to a n Quodli 9. vbique Monarchy here in Europe as they haue done to the governmeÌ„t of sapona And lest this speech may seem to be vttered without all ground conceiue the infinite wealth of that society It is too wel known to those who haue lately travailed that the possessions of the Iesuits in some parts of Germany but especially in Italy Polonia are incomparably great some thousaÌ„ds of manours townes villages being theirs What their wealth was in France may be iudged by this that the credible report is that at their last o Quod. 9. 7. expulsioÌ„ froÌ„ thence they lost three millions at the least In Spaine they haue what they wil almost But their greatest benefit is that vnder the king they haue free trafficke to the Indies to their inestimable gaine How this may bee you shall heare one of their English-Romanists briefly reporte p The 2. letter of A. C. fol. 20. The Iesuits in India do more theÌ„ coÌ„petent respect their teÌ„poral boâ—…te in that spiritual trafficke And with golde pearle spice such like Indian wares they every yeare froÌ„ theÌ„ce inrich copiously their society in Europe If this yet do not satisfie you desire to heare more of Iapona that froÌ„ the mouth of another witnes haue it then from a low Country-man reporting the travaile of some who went rounde the world q Additam None parâ—…s Americae In Iaponia of the Portingale no man hath any authority or power besids the Iesuits who do there exercise marâ—…haÌ„dising of al matters most ample And these almost al are Portingales who while they were in Iaponia did informe the greatest part of the nobles people coÌ„cerning the popish religioÌ„ when they had perswaded theÌ„ with divers dreames they did so draw theÌ„ vnto their side that by these they are now esteemed reverenced as in the place of litle Gods These Iesuits also do diligently take heed that no moÌ„k of any other order be receiued into those laÌ„ds So making theÌ„selues Lords of all matters men they do there exercise most rich most frequeÌ„ted traffickings Here theÌ„ is now the first credible relatioÌ„ that they haue won some to their popery but whither these were wise people or no to be thus circuÌ„vented other men may iudge In the meane time it is manifest that these Machiavilian most earthly minded Friers haue not renouÌ„ced al riches honors and as men mortified haue composed themselues to their graues Which being true of these who pretend the highest state of perfection what may we imagine of Secular Priests the shevve of whose sanctity is contemptible in the eies of these Mounsieurs This is a taste to you D. Hill of the truth of your asseverations although I must acquaint you also that if your Priests should do those externall things which you name that is endaunger themselues and leaue earthly commodities yet this doth not warrant that their labouring is to winne men to Christs faith No more then theirs was who r Mat 23. 15 compassed sea and lande to make a Proselyte and when hee was so made hee was two-folde more the childe of hell then they themselues s Iob. 〈◊〉 Sathan himselfe doth compasse the world but it is not to good purposes As a s 1. Pet. 5. 8. roaring Lyon he walketh aboute seeking whom he may devour The Foxe goeth farre from his denne and adventureth his life also if he should be caught and yet his going is to destroy The t Aug. lib. 〈◊〉 conâ—… Câ—…escon Gram. Circumcellian heretikes not for truth but for their fancy ' parted with al things that this world might yeeld them yea with life it selfe u 1 King 1â—… 2â—… 〈◊〉 Baals Prophets did to the vttermost hazard themselues for Baall The u Eus. Eccl. Hustor 8. 20 Marcionites had their Martyrs and so also had the x Socr. 4. 27 Arrians who lost their liues But it is not what a man suffereth but the cause wherefore he suffereth that maketh him acceptable to God T. HILL ANd I see also on the other side that no Protestant ever had so great zeale of his religion as that hee woulde for spreading abroade the same forgâ—… any vvorâ—…ly commoditie either by founding Seminaries or Colledges in Countreys or by going or sending where any difficulty or danger was but as one wholely respecting this vvorlde hee vvaâ—…ovveth in vvealth and pleasures at home or if by any
idolatry But while you receiue such as haue had education otherwise howsoever it hath beene neglected by them you are rather the Partridges of whom Saint Austen by remembraÌ„ce of the words of the Prophet e Ier. 17. 11. Ieremy doth speak such Partridges as gather the young which you brought not forth as your Seminaries doe declare But God be praised for it some of them doe serue you as Saint f Heâ—…mer lib. 63. Ambrose reporteth that the Partridge is served For whereas one Partridge doth steale away the egges of another Partridge and hacheth them if the opinion of that learned Authour be true divers of the g Epist. lib. 7. 48. young being hatched when they afterward heate the voice of their owne and naturall dams in the field leaue their step-mother and come againe to her to whom by original right they belonged So many of your infection after true grace imparted from aboue doe returne from your Seminaries and adioine themselues sincerely and laboriously to the Church of England They are bound to blesse God who delivereth them in such sort even as h Ion. 2. 10. Ionah was freed out of the whales belly They are come out not of the Doue-house which fertilely bringeth forth Pigeons but from Babylon where i Is. 13. 21. Zâ—… and Oâ—… be and Ostriches Dragons For as the old bee there so are the most part of the young Malicorvimalâ—…â—…vum A bad crow a bad egge And now telling you that a great part of this your fourth Reason is taken out of M. Bristowes fiue and twentith Motiue I let you go play you though but for a turne or two 24 BVt to come to the Reader whereas here the tearme of Heretikes is so oft vsed against vs we briefly aunswere with Saint Gregory k Moral lib. 10. 16 ex Exod. 8. 26. That is service vnto God which to the Egyptians was â—…nation And whereas among so many other foolish ones that is made a reason why the Popish religion should be truth saving M. Doctours vnpointed and vncoÌ„cluding discourse what can there by sound argument bee enforced therevpon What shal be the ground that must be stood on For cannot Heretikes pervert The Apostles haue told vs that their l 2 Tim. 2. 17 words fret as a Canker that m Cap. 3. 6. they creepe into houses yea that n 2. Pet. 2. 2. many shall follow their daâ—…able waies And you heard before what the Arrians did Or is it not vnto truth Why as touching this disputation that is the maine question betweene the Romanists vs. And to build vpon that is but Petitiâ—… prinâ—… to seâ—…ke to haue that graunted which is mainely and especially denied We do not yeeld that any of them winning their Converts to the subiection of the Papacy do bring them to Christ but rather to Antichrist Or is it a necessary coÌ„comitant of verity in doctrine that such as haue 〈◊〉 among them should be bound to convert Nations to the faith TheÌ„ to say nothing of the Iewish Church which had the word appropriated to it alone for so long a time what shall we thinke of France and England and Ireland and many other provinces of Europe which for a thousand yeares togither are not knowne to haue converted any one countrey to Christ but haue had enough and perhaps too much to do to keep theÌ„selues in the integrity of piety And yet our Pseudo-Catholiks make no doubt but that al that while they had the right beliefe These things do manifest the ficklenesse and vnstaiednes of thâ—… foundatioÌ„ heâ—… laid But if to turâ—… men to Christ be so necessary 〈◊〉 duety what wil they say to such a strange bringing home of so many kingdomes and regions of Europe within these huÌ„dred yeares and that by a few at first and those weake ones when Sathan and the Bishop of Rome and many potent Princes confederated with him did leaue no meanes vnsought to stifle Truth as in the cradle When the sword hath not beene spared the fire hath not beene forborne when their mighty men haue stroue their learned men haue written there haue beene wanting no libels no slanders no defamations yea no rebellion and treason and massacting and poysonfull attempts and yet neverthelesse Truth standeth vpright You talke of conversion but all the lovers and wel-willers of the whore of Babylon may and do stand amazed and gaze wonder at the ruine of their kingdome by so many millions going from them And we trust in Iesus Christ the conserver of the faithfull that in peace in warre in al things that can come this Arke of Noe shall swimme in safety floate being beaten vpon with many billowes but yet evermore bee preserved God hath not in his mercy given so much light that it should be extinguished or the glory of it much dimmed before his sonnes appearance With the breath of his month hee hath 〈◊〉 Thess. 2. 〈◊〉 ken and blasted that man of sinne and it now remaineth that he should be vtterly abolished at Christes comming Gaze therfore you Romanists till your eies and heartes doe ake to see the â—…ine and confusion of the Gospell and yet as wee trust in Almighty God you shall never haue your purpose THE FIFTH REASON Largenesse of Dominion through the multitude of Beleevers T. HILL THE Church vvhich the Mâ—…ssias vvâ—… to plante must bee 〈◊〉 is aforesaide dispersed through all nations and kingdomes 〈◊〉 the Holy Proâ—…ts â—…st plâ—…ly fore-shewed and namely the Royall Prophet speaking of the Apostles and Preachers vvhich shoulde succeede them saith Their sound went forth into all parts of the Psal. 18. Earth and their wordes vnto the ends of the circle of the earth And â—…st â—…festly 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 â—…sse of Christian domiâ—… in thâ—… 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Psâ—… And S. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the 〈◊〉 beasts and the fâ—…e â—…d twenty Elâ—… 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 before the Lâ—…be â—…ging thus Thou art worthy Lord to take the booke and to open the seales therof Apoc. c. 5 for thou hast bin slaine and hast redeemed vs to God in thy bloud out of every Tribe and people Language and Nation and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 her plâ—… After these things saith he I saw a great company which no man 〈◊〉 able to number of al Nations Tribes and Peoples and Tongues Cap. 7. G. ABBOT IT was long since saide that whereas our blessed 〈◊〉 Saviour whcÌ„ he was takeÌ„ vp to an exceeding high mountaine and shewed all the kingdomes Math 4 8 of the world and the glory of theÌ„ did refuse that offer of SataÌ„ Al these will I give thee if thâ—… wilt fall downe worship me the Pope coÌ„ming long after hearing that such a liberal profer was made tooke the Devill at his word in hope of such a wide exteÌ„ded dominioÌ„ did fal down and adore him You come in this place to plead for your Grand-maister the Bishop of Rome by the validity of this DonatioÌ„ but forgetting that
many though not vniversall of all And whē he saith in many lands it is received of the greatest part of the inhabitāts he meaneth not that the naturals do accept of it but the Spanyards Portingals have killed the greatest part of them and now they themselves do make the maior part This advantage you have for your words D. Hill but yet notwithstanding all your fraud and facing we conclude that your Poperie is not predominant as you make it for put it altogither if I should say nothing of that which we teach but leave it wholy to God and his good blessing Gentilisme is yet by many degrees more then all the Papisme in the world and Mahometisme in Barbary in Turky in Persia and in the dominions of all those who hold for that false Prophet doth exceede it And yet the great propagatiō of Ethnicisme or Saracenisme doth not make them to bee in the right neither doth the same evince in behalfe of your Romane fancies but that only must go for truth which hath warrant out of the Scriptures T. HILL AND vvorthy it is to bee noted that in no land or countrey vnder heaven ever was or is any persecution of any moment against Papists as you terme them or against the Priestes of that Religion in regard that they be Papists or Priests made by authority from the Sea of Rome but onely in England And in very deede the vvhole vvorld doth wonder that little England dare and is not ashamed to doe that which never vvas seene in the vvorld before for let a Seminary Priest as they call him keepe him out of England and he is safe inough in any region vnder heaven This I say by the way for that it grieveth mee at the very hart to beare that my deare countrey doth persecute that religion which all the vvorld hath ioyfully embraced or at the least doth vvillingly tollerate as though shee were wiser then all the world beside is or ever hath beene or then al her Elders Or as though English Protestants knew and saw more then all the vvhole learned men of Christendome have done for so manie ages together G. ABBOT 17 IT should seeme that by this time in the shewing of your mē you have spēt al your powder for frō hēce to the end of this presēt Reasō you talke like a good fellow in more familiar sort leaning on the nose of your peece somewhat angry but will not fight Howe your Pseudo-Catholikes in England live afflicted and persecuted not onely our bookes h Execution of Iustice. A Letter to Mendoza declaring a truth but the matter it selfe sensiblie doth speake They lye well and they farewel and many of them do purchase and encrease their lively-hood yea some by your leave finde meanes to extraordinary lasciviousnes The bigger sort of them are by the monethly mulct vpon them so punished that besides that they have for much idle expence they can by bribes keepe spies about great personages they can give large giftes to winne their private purposes they cā haue their cursetors al the Realme over to give and take intelligence they can releive Prisoners they can maintaine diverse Iesuites like such gallants and swaggerers as requireth for each some hundred pounds by the yeare And yet in searches sometimes more ready mony and good golde is founde in their custody then ordinary men of their quality can be maisters of To these thinges they attaine by keeping no house or very little vnder a shew that for their conscience they pay all away I thinke that you your selfe wil confesse that in Queene Maries daies men of our Religion could not live so quietly although they had nothing to obiect against them but that they beleeved not the article of Transubstantiation Now for Priests that they have bin more looked vnto the reasō is sppatant The examples of i 1. Reg. 18. 40. Elias ill intreating Baals Priests of k 2. Reg. 23. 20. Iosias so serving other of like disposition as also of l Cap. 10. 25 Iehu proceeding in the same course shewe that wolves and destroying foxes if they will not keepe from the flocke must be woorried that is must be cut off by the sword of the magistrate Otherwise shall the perishing soules of the flocke bee required at the civill shepe-heards hande as well as they are exacted of the spirituall pastour for negligence But howe rough the state generally hath bin to such may be coniectured by their hasting hither fiftye in a m D. Elyes notes on the Apology fol. 211. yeare out of Rhemes alone Also by the sending away of Harte Pilcher and many other where of some were already condēned other by law were to suffer yet their lives were granted vnto the they only were banished their coūtry frō whēce they had volūtarily exiled thēselues for divers years before thirdly by the keeping of so many of thē at Wishbich Framingl◅ā some for 10. years some for 20 wher al was so to their wil that they had leysure to fall out who shold be n Relation of stirres at Wisbich greatest amōg thē sit highest at table yea to o Apolog cap. 6. feast to bowze to game to fight yea as since it is expressed in plainer wordes to fall top dicing drunkennes yea and whoredome fit exercises for men who would be taken to be designed martyrs And if some few of them have suffered let all sober men iudge whither the state had not cause to proceede so with them whose minds were discovered so plainly beyond the seas The excōmunication of Pius the 5. was procured at Rome by the instigation of some of our own countri-men thervpō a rebelliō was raised q Sander lib. 7. de visib Monar Concertat li◅cle Cathol in Angl Part 1. Felton is cōmended for fastēing vp the Bul at the Bishop of Londons gate And it is held as his praise that hee called the Queene no otherwise but by the name of the pretended Queene Sanders also ordinarily vseth that phrase against her And it is held as a glory in Doctor Story that writing to his wife he bestowed no other title on her Such as suffered for the rebellion in the Noth are tearmed r Ibidem Martyrs so is s Brist Motiv 1◅ Felton also These matters are compiled togither in the booke called s Edit Anguste ◅reviror 1588. Concertatio Ecclesiae Catholica in Anglia out of which I will gather two or three flowers more It is saide as a praise of Everard Hanse that being asked of the Bull of Pope Pius he answered I hope hee did not erre in his sentence Hee saide I hope because that declaration was not doctrinal and therefore there might be an errour Speaking of Iames Laborne executed at Lancaster it is related as a Catholike acte in him that t E. Sander de Schism Lib 3. he tooke two exceptions why Lady Elizabeth was not Queene one by
you would haue laid freely at them Dare you strangers and captiues and boyes and vpstart companions set your selfe against a million of wise men Princes and Counselours They should haue had your voice to haue gone to the fiery Furnace Doe you not pity your selfe when you reason in this fashion Among them that be wise pendenda sunt suffragiapetius quà m numeraÌ„da voices are to be weighed rather then to be numbred I can say no more vnto you but that when this is your best Divinity Lorde haue mercy vpon you Saint Austen would haue tolde you for o Epist. 19. all these and aboue all these we haue the Apostle Paule T. HILL NEither may the Protestants now at length glory in their great number as some of them haue done for that their Religion is there in England and in Scotland and some thereof in â—…aland and in the Lowe Countries and in some partes of Germany and a few of them in Fraunce Apol. Eccl. Anglic. for they never yet passed into Asia nor into Africa nor into Greece nor into many places of Europe much lesse into the Indies But indeede if you rightly scanne their doctrine you shall finde that your Religion ProtestaÌ„tine of England is no where in the world else and that English service contained in your booke of Common praier is vnknowne and condemned of all other Nations and people vnder the cope of Heaven So that in very deed the doctrine of your Protestantes is taught or received no vvhere but in England and the Puritant Doctrine of Scotlande the contrariety therof duely considered is no where but in Scotlande the Lutherane Doctrine taught in Denmarke is no where but in Denmarke and in a few places of Germany the Libertine doctrine taught in the Low Countries is no â—…here but in the Low Countries and the like may be said of other sectes G. ABBOT 26 YOV are mis enformed that the Protestants doe glorie in their great number they know that truth is truth be iâ—… in more or few As for M. Iewell whose Apologie you quote in your margent hee hath no such matter Onely where as it is obiected that our Religion overturneth kingdoms and governmentes hee answereth there vnto that there p Apol. Eccl. Anglican doe remaiue in their place and ancient dignitie the Kings of England Denmarke Sweden the Dukes of Saâ—…cony the Cunties Palatine c. This is to answere to an obiection by giving many instances to the contrary and not to glory of any multitude And if any other of our Church do note in breefe that the Gospell hath taken roote in some large nations that is to stop the mouth of the clamorous adversary and to satisfie the weake as also not least of all to praise God who so spreadeth the beames of his compassion but it is not to boast vainely as you ignorantly imagine Yet who doubteth but a good Christian may ioy in his hart exceedingly and thankfully expresse it in his tongue that many who sate in darkenesse may now behold the light and the sheepefold of Christ is more and more filled But if we would be too forward you will plucke vs backe againe Although it be say you in some places of Europe yet in some other it is not As who should say your Popery is generall in all Where I pray you in Greece is your Papistry It is not in Asia and Africa and much lesse in the Indies The East Indies are part of Asia if you could think vpon it By what means your Idolatry came into those Countries I haue shewed before and how plentifully there it is If we would talke idly as you for the most part doe we might say that in every place where the Marchants of Holland trade and haue people residing our religion is accepted But since the English Merchants haue companies houses in Russia in Constantinople in Aleppo in Alexandria sometimes in Barbary in Zacynthus in Venice and Legorne we might say after the fashion of your boasting that our religion is in those parts But we desire to make no more of things then indeede they are Yet we tell you for those remote provinces that as now one hundred and twenty yeeres agone they knewe not one whit of your faith so it may please God before one hundred and twenty yeeres more bee passed if it so seeme good to his most sacred wisedome to plant the truth which we reach in the East Westerne world especially if a passage by the North ende of America or that by Asia beyond Ob may bee opened vvherein our q M. Hacluiâ—… vnges Nation hath much adventured and speng good summes of treasure vvhich also the Hollanders haue done But the issue of this whole matter must bee leste to the divine providence which is to bee magnified therefore if hee adde this blessing to his Church And if he deny it either there or in any other place we must not be caried too farre with griefe or pitty since it doth not please him who is the father of mercie to condescend vnto it Nowe vvhereas you avouch that our doctrine is onelye in England I knovve not vvhither I shoulde put that in your ignoraunces or rather in your malicious cavils Truth it is our common prayer booke is vsed onelye by those who are of Englishe allegeaunce but is there anie pointe of doctrine in it vvherevnto other Churches reformed in Europe doe not condescend The Catechisme of the Councell of Trent doth differ in words from the Catechisme of Canisius and both of them from that of M. Vaux yet you would thinke it a wronge if anye man should tell you that they disagree in pointes of doctrine So the service of the reformed Congregations in Europe as in England Scotland Fraunce Switzerland in the dominion of the Palsgraue in the Regiments and free cities of Germany which are of the Pallsgraues confession as also in a good parte of the low Countries is the same in all pointes of moment not differing one intâ—… their Professions are the same There is no question among these in anie one pointe of religion The Ecclesiasticall policy being different as in some places by Bishops in some other wâ—…thout them doth not alter ought of faith The Apostles in that they were Apostles had a kinde of governement vvhich the Church had not afterward in the very same particular In the auncient Church some cities and Countreyes vvere immediately ruled by a Patriarke Grande Metropolitane some other by an inferiour Bishoppe vvho was subiected to the greater yet they all might agree in the faith The cheefe at Rome immediately is the Pope at Millaine for spirituall thinges the Arch-bishoppe in some places bee but Suffragaines in some other Iurisdictions a Deane or Priour by Privilege hath almost Papall auctoritie vvhich also in times past vvas in the Chauncellours or Vice-chauncellours of our English Vniversities some fewe thinges beeing excepted and reserved Yet will you say that these doe differ in
according to that which they had and not according to that which they had not would receiue them into the number of his blessed and elect And that the knowledge of the truth was not extinguished in England may easily be seene by that which is mentioned c Ration 1 before touching the VViclevists and many other who confessed Christ yea some of them vnto the death That noble L. d De Ecclesia cap 9. Du Plessis handling this argument for his countrey Fraunce doeth giue instaunce in Saint Bernard in vvhose workes wee finde hay and stubble and some drosse which the fire of Gods spirit in trying would burne away He was swayed with the streame of the time and received many matters indiscussed from other who were some body in the outward face of the Church But when this excellent man recutreth and retyreth himselfe vnto his owne vnderstanding how doth hee e De coÌ„veâ—…s ad 〈◊〉 29 Epist. 4â—… 〈◊〉 â—…Word ad cleâ—… CoÌ„â—… Remâ—… lament the disorders and almost Apostasie of the Cleargy of his time How doth he inveigh against their negligence and security But for the point of Iustification by Christ how f Epist 190 seâ—… 50. in Cantiâ—…a sincerely doth hee speake that nothing bringeth satisfaction vnto the wrath of God but his owne mercy in the Saviour How doth he expound that place g 2. 〈◊〉 4. 8 hence-forth is laid vp for me the crowne of righteousnesse h De gratia lib. arbit explicating it that it is iust that we should haue it not because we deserue it but because God hath promised it to all beleevers it standeth with his iustice that he should performe his promise How doth he say of good works that they are i Ibidem via regnâ—… non causaeegâ—…ands the way of or to the kingdome but not the cause of our raigning How confident is he in the Lordes adopting of him when he saith I k De sepâ—… 〈◊〉 3. consider three things wherein my hope consisteth the love of his adâ—…tion the truth of his promise the power of his performance Now let my foolish thought murmure as much as it will saying for who are thou or how great is that glory or by what merites dost thou hope to obtaine it And I confidenthe will answere I knowe whome I have beleeved ' I am assured that in very much loue he adopted me that he is true in his promise that he is potent on his performance for he may doe what he will But most sufficiently and effectuallie of all other did he speake to this pupose when hee lay l In vita Ber. nard l. 1. 12. vppon his death-bedde which place that French noble man doth cite As it was with this holy person who had an extraordinarie talent of knowledge so we doe not distrust but diverse other in their life time and many at the houre of death did thus apprehend Gods mercy renouncing all their merites and the merites of other men which in our time so stiffe a Papist as Sir Christopher BlouÌ„t did of vvhome notwithstanding because hee dyed obstinate in other Romishe opinions wee doe not too much hope but leave him vnto the censure of the highest Iudge They which betooke themselues to faith in Christ alone neither directlie not indirectly crossing that ground and also in generall repented and asked forgiuenesse for all slips knowne and vnknowne those we iudge to have died in Gods favour And of this sort we trust that many of our Auncestors and Predecessours were 29 HEERE to turne to the Reader this Chapter as you see is reduced to this heade That which is largest spread is most true But the Romish faith is so Therfore the Romish faith is truest most Catholike What exceptioÌ„ may be made to the Minor Propositiâ—… it is intimated before But how far the Maior is froÌ„ truth in Divinity what ChristiaÌ„ doth not see For albeit that sometimes God permitteth his Gospel to have a very large scope at once as in the first Church and vnder Constantine and graciously in our age otherwise successiuely and by vicissitudes doth scatter it heere and there so that at one time or other al great places and quarters of the world haue doe or shall heare the sound thereof yet ordinarily the number of the godly compared with the wicked arâ—…â—…t like to a little flocke of kids opposed to a huge hearde of great cattaile That this was so before Christs coÌ„ming it is so evident that no man can doubt it And when hee first shewed himselfe is not his speech to those that followed him m Luk. 12. 32. feare not little flocke Doth not hee say that fewe n Matth. 〈◊〉 13 14 enter into the narrow gate but many into the wide passage which as it intendeth the finall standing or falling of men so it noteth the state also of theÌ„ which are abiding here on earth In the o Cap. 13 3. Parable of the seede it is but one of foure partes which lighteth in the good ground And howe infinite are the places where for many ages togither the seede never came there was noÌ„e sowed at all I here the people are but Ethnicks infidels without all sparke of vnderstaÌ„ding And where the word is preached what store is there of heretikes what multitude of hypocrites what plenty of worldlings and Atheists men who delight in security Are we not put in mind by our Saviour p Luk. 17 26 else-where that when the Sonne of man is to appeare vpon earth it shall bee as in the daies of Noe and in the time of Lot when the most part of persons shall eate and drinke and buy and sell and plant and builde mary and be maried And howe fewe there were vnited vnto Noe in faith we know by the small number of them who were saved in the Arke how few ioyned with Lot is as plaine when none but his daughters would follow him out of Sodome And of this sorte it must be toward the ende of the world The faithfull in comparison of the carnall and reprobate shall be but a little company 30 Then it is no marveile if the olde fathers have not taken for any argument of verity right the greatest widest multitude aâ—… q Homil 12. in Genes Origene wheÌ„ he said There are alwaies more evill persons theÌ„ good vices are of a greater number theÌ„ vertues And as they are more in tale so their dwelling spreading is much more lardge Doe r Lib. 1. Epist. 3â—… not respect saith Cyprian the number of theÌ„ for better is one maÌ„ fearing the Lord then a thousand wicked children as the Lord himselfe hath spoken That worthy man Ludovicus Vives in his bookes De veritate fidei bringeth the obiections which the Mahumetanes make for themselues wherefore their profession shoulde be truth and among them this is one s Lib. 4 Yea but you do see the admirable increase of
that sect ◅hich is ours so that it is apparant that it is augmented even by the helpe of God which is the selfe-same reason that is here vrged for the Papacy But Vives doth make answere The multitude doth not argue goodnesse There were more Gentiles i◅ time past And what can be more true then that in times past even frō the beginning of the world there were more Ethnickes then are Saracens since the daies of Mahomet or true Christians since Christs time So Hierome Savanarola who was a learned man of an excellent spirit as appeareth by his workes howsoever the Romanists afterward tooke his life away from him in his booke s Lib. 4. c. 7. De Triumpho Crucis beeing opposed by a Mahumetane that Mahomets profession is truth because so many doe follow it he answereth first that men are inforced by the sworde so to doe and secondly that if multitude should beare the palme away then the devils religion were the best of all other because he hath possessed incomparablie more then either Christ or Mahomet Such a Reason as this is doth the writer of this Pamphlet heere bring for his Romish doctrine which if it prove any thing is most substantiall fo Sathan the great Antichrists graunde maister For there is not any portion of the habitable world but the Devil hath his crew in it In enquiring thē for verity we should attende what the solide rule of perfection that is Gods Sacred word doth lay out before vs and not what the hugest multitude directed by humane fancy shal prescribe vnto vs. t Exod. 23. 2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to doe evill The most walke the worst way Sapiendum est cum paucis A wise man as Seneca telleth vs u Lib. in sapientem non cadere iniuriam cap 14. doth not goe that way which the people goeth but as the Planets doe goe a contrary course to the world so he goeth against the opinion of them all Thus wee must doe in Divinity not looke howe many saye but on what ground it is spoken If many agree in that which prooveth to be iust we are to ioy that many give consent to that which is right but the truth is it which must trie them and not they inforce a truth Sounde religion is not the worse when it is but in a fewe and the multitude which doe hould it or the wide spreading thereof cannot make the false to be otherwise THE SIXTE REASON Miracles T. HILL TRUE Miracles were never wrought but by them who were of true religion for that they are done only by the power of God Now it is so manifest that there hath bin almost an infinite number of miracles wrought by those who were of the Catholike Romane Religion and never any by them who were not of that Church-since Christes time as he who shall deny it may be proved no lesse impudent shamelesse thē he vvho shall deny that ever there vvas any Masse saide in times past in England or that ever there were any warres betweene Turkes and Christians or that there be any such countries as the East and UUest Indies which thing if a man should deny would be not of all men bee deemed not onely impudent but madde drunken or a foole And surely the one is no lesse knowne by all approved writers and eie-witnesses than the other For as in the Gospell and in the Actes the holy Scriptures witnesse that miracles were wrought by Christ and his Apostles so doe most approved authours of everie age vntill this daye testifie and record the continuaunce of the working thereof in the Catholike Romane Church the which Authours for the most part were eie-witnesses of the saide miracles as for example G. ABBOT 1 WHen you first beganne this pety tract of yours you vndertooke to doe a miracle and that a strange one too for it were a miracle of all miracles to proove the rotten ragges of Popery to bee sounde and therfore we wonder not that in this your processe you speake of miracles But according to your fashion at your first setting out you stumble for wee may well hold those to be true miracles which are really and verily done although it be to an evil purpose And such as these are wrought by them who are farre of from true religion as by the Devill and by some of his instruments indeed not without Gods permissiō although speaking properly it is not by his immediate power The sorcerers of Pharaodid a Exod 7 1◅ 22 cap. 8. 7 three severall times shew wonders before their maister by turning roddes into serpēts water into blould by producing frogges A false b Deut. 13 1 Prophet or dreamer of dreames may giue a signe or a wōder the signe or wonder may come to passe S. Austen directly c De civit Dei l 10. 16. affirmeth that amōg the old Romans their aūcestors there were miracles verily dōe by the power of the devil as that the pe◅ates or litle images brought frō Troy did off thēselues go frō place to place that Tarquine with a ◅asour did cut a whetstōe in sunder d Liv. lib 1 Livy reporteth it to be done by Accius Mavius the Augur at the cōmandemēt of Tarquine And when among so many probable credible writers strang things are related to have bin done amōg the Ethnickes but most of al among the Romans as the raining of stones bloud the like yea as e Tom 2◅ lib. 4. c 13 Freculphus saith very wooll in Artho◅se vnder Valentinian the Emperour to whom is this to be attributed but to the grand enimy of mākind which the same Freculphus doth not dissēble whē in another f Tom. 1 l 5. cap. 5 place he delivereth it that by the naughtines of the devils it was brought about that a river did flow with bloud the heavē did make a shew to be on fire and such like And this is the opiniō of Bozius a special man of your side g Lib 2 contr Machiavel who telleth vs that Livye reporteth that it hath rained stones bloud flesh Whervpon he saith we beleeue that these wōders in time past were so frequent because devils did procure cause thē whē such things did fall out publike supplicatiōs were made general sacrifices wherby the devils thēselues were worshipped Then real miracles may be wrought by such as be not of true religiō vnles that Sathan may be this religious man no differēce is there for this matter before since Christs time as wil be seene anōe by example of Antichrist And if it should be excepted that diverse of these already specified may bee saide not to be true because they are done to an evil end that is to deceive beguile your late Popish miracles are liable to the same exception being whē they are at their best to winne mē not to Christ but to Antichrist 2 The
Scriptures And for disagreement and stifnes to yeeld if any be or haue bin of that minde it is vitium persâ—…na non rei that party is to be blamed and not his religionâ—… In all differences men are too much wedded to their opinions Yet we doubt not but when Christian Princes shall be pleased to call a Generall Councell in such sort and to such end as it should be convocated God who moveth the mindes of the superiours like good Constantines and Theodosians to do their parts will also moue the harts of inferiours to humility and conformity laying a side private spirits which is much to bee intreated of the Almighty Remember I pray you that there may bee câ—…rtaine rules set downe which may bridle refractary persons as it was s In colloquio Ratispon â—…601 lately at Ratispone Remember also that the Councell of Constance could proceede not only without a Pope to be their head but also against three Popes removing them and deposing them Farthermore you much deceiue your selues in your opinion of our discord for we do not so iarre as you imagine For certainly we al agree wel inough to lay your Pope on the grouÌ„d and the Churches of England and Scotland and France and Switzerland and the low Countries calling none of the Lutherans a good part of Germany with others iumping expreslie in the same faith are able inough to make a most renoumed and Christian Councell Do not thinke therefore that we are so farre from that as you speake of for if you leane too much on that coÌ„ceit it will proue vnto you but a broken reede which will both faile you and the splints of it also wil run into your hands Gods word shall be the line after the which we all will walke T. HILL LAstly I would haue you here to marke the dealing of beretikes vvho play by Generall Councels even as they play by the Scriptures for Conc. Flor. Sess. 5. 6. Magdebur Cent. 8. c. 9 Cent. 9. cap. â—…9 they take and leaue as they lust and as best serveth their turne There haue beene in all Generall Councels eighteene All gathered allowed and confirmed by one and the selfesame authority of which the Greeks receiue only seven The Lutheranes the first fixe The Eutyehians which are in Asia onely the first three The Nestorians which are yet in the East onely the first two The Trinitaries which are in Hungarie and Poleland receiue nâ—…ne at all behold the liberty of your Gospell G. ABBOT 9 VVHat heretikes doe in refusing of Scripture wee list not now to examine our iudgement and the reasons whervpon it is grounded you haue heard in the last Chapter Neither are we vnwilling to acquaint the Christian worlde what it is that we doe holde concerning Councels to wit that such as are rightly gathered togither and take the direction of their conclusions from the Angell of the great counsaile froÌ„ him who is called s 〈◊〉 9. 6. Counsailer such are to be much reverenced and esteemed but yet still as the words of men and not immediatly of God For it is one thing to be the word of God and another to be guided by it The former great Councels did take the sacred Oracle for the load starre of their direction the later t Mat. 26. 3. Annas-like assemblies and Cayphas-like Councels did least thinke of such matters And therefore it may rightly bee saide that not the holy Ghost but Sathan in the likenesse of such a u Nicol. de Clem super materia Concilior filthy bird as appeared at Rome in the Councel called by Iohn the foure tweÌ„tith was President there Yet we hold it worth the while to looke a little into your doctrine concerning Councels You make them of mighty authority as anone I shall shew and yet the chiefe Patriarkes among you who boast so much of your Vnity and Consent cannot agree which be the Councels whom you plead for to be authenticall It is no marvell if your scholers cannot ye eld account of their faith when you their Masters cannot You for your part allow vs eighteene Generall Councels but you doe not make vs so much beholding to you as to tel vs which they be u In initio Platinae Ounphrius who was held for a great Clerke among you reckoneth but sixteene the fowre first of Nice Constantinople Ephesus and Chalcedon then two other at ConstaÌ„tinople then the second at Nice then a fourth at Constantinople then one at Laterane the next at Lions then at Vienna one afterwards those of Constance Basile and Florence then another Laterane the last at Trent x In indice ConcilioruÌ„ Possevinus keepeth your number of eighteene but the Councels of Constance and Basile hee secludeth But whereas by this reckoning if he ioined with Ounphrius otherwise he should now haue â—…but fourteene he maketh fiue in all at Laterane and two at Lions and so they rise to be eighteene In this account his ' fellow Iesuite 〈◊〉 Bellarmine 〈◊〉 concil lib 1 cap. 5 precisely ioyneth with him And yet in substance they bee but thirteene for he acquainteth vs that the first and seconde at Laterane both those at Lions and that of Vienna be lost which by a consequent diminisheth fiue of the number y In Chronograph Genebrarde who at length grew to bee Archbishop of Aix thought himselfe as good a man as either of those or any who would defend thÄ› and therefore he will not take it after their tale For he reckoneth to vs twenty General CouÌ„cels wherof as the fiue which are missing are a part so he solemnely taketh in those of Constance and Basile for as good as the best Thus the greatest Rabbins cannot agree among themselues All the stirre is about those of Constance and Basile who indeed do touch the Popes freehold and therefore himselfe and all the Parasites who stand for him are not hastily to admit theÌ„ The CouÌ„cel of CoÌ„stance did dosse three Popes which were vp at once in a schisme subiected the Bish. of Rome to a CouÌ„cel which goeth hard especially when the Synode may be called without him as that was therefore he wil none of that The CouÌ„cel of Basil would not be at the lure of Eugenius the 4. but set vp z Aeâ—… Silvius deCoÌ„cil Bafil Amedeus the Duke of Savoy against him made him an Antipape this I tel you is dangerous doctrin This doth touch the triple crown therfore it is good looking before these things be ratified What shal we the think that the Pope did in this case a Vbi supra Onuphrius he goeth briefly to work saith that the CouÌ„cel of Basil was coÌ„firmed by Eugenius the 4. that of CoÌ„stance by Martin the 5. So the if hee say truth they haue al their coÌ„plemeÌ„ts must go for currant mony CoÌ„cerning the CouÌ„cel of CoÌ„staÌ„ce b Vt supra Genebrard â—…uÌ„peth with him
assured that we haue none but those which are right in the whole and in the parts For Actes of Councels haue bin much falsified as it is alleadged in the sixt Generall Councell holden at Constantinople t Action 14 that some had falsified the Actes of the fifth Generall Councel holden in the same place as was apparantly deprehended How those in Afrike did cōplaine of the Popes forsting in somewhat to the first Nicene Synode I haue shewed before and how the Councell sent to Nice it selfe to see the Originall But in the same manner hath the Pope complained that other haue also falsified the Actes of the same Councell For Felix Bishop of Rome himselfe hath made this Decree u In Decretis felicis Papae In Concilijs Let the persons of the accusers be without all suspicion because by reason of the molestations offered by evill men this was defined in the Nicene Councell by all although by the falshoode of lewde persons these and many other things are blotted out We then had neede to take heede that wee do not beleeue those things as certaine which of themselues are so vncertaine Let Papists doe it if they wil. Lastly before I shut vp this Chapter it is not amisse to know that it is not for the ancient Synods that the Romanists doe striue but for those which lately were helde wherein their Pope bore much sway and their Popery was established by fragments For out of the old Councels both Provinciall and Vniversall there are many matters contrary to their definitions As in the thirde Councel at Carthage there is much spoken concerning the children of Priests which sheweth that Priests then were ordinarily marryed And there it is that the Pope should not be called the Prince of Priests or chiefe Priest In the Elibertine Councell is a flat decree against Images in Churches It u Canon 36 pleaseth vs that pictures should not be in the Churches least that which is worshipped or adored should be painted on wals In the fifth x In epistol felicis Councell at Constantinople by an Epistle of Pope Felix to Zeno it is shewed that the Church is built on the confession of Peter not on his person or place In the ninth Councel of y Canon 1. Toledo if a Metropolitane defraude the Church complaint thereof is to be made to the king which sheweth that Princes then had to do with persons and causes Ecclesiasticall Very many more such instances may be brought how the old Councels knew nothing of that hart of Popery which since hath growne vp by the connivence of some Princes the weaknes of other and the notable cunning of Antichrist And for times now long agone the extravagancie and transcendencie of the Roman Bishops power is no where knowne For in the Nicene z Canon 6 Councell the Bishop of Alexandria in his Province and the Patriarke of Antioch in his haue as much iurisdiction as the Pope hath in his In the a Isidor in praefat Cōcil Ephesin Ephesine Synode Cyrill of Alexandria was president and not the Bishoppe of Rome and there it is saide that b In epistol ad Nestoriū Peter and Iohn were each to other of equall dignitie because they were Apostles and holie disciples which overthroweth the Primacie of the Romane Bishoppe deriving his prerogatiue only from Peters preeminence And in the Councell of c Canon 1. Chalcedon all is confirmed which was decreed before in other Synodes Thus the Pope and Papists should gaine much by sending vs to looke into the most ancient Councels THE TENTH REASON Fathers T. HILL THE Catholike Romane religion is most plainely taught by all the ancient Fathers of the first second thirde fourth fift and sixt hundred yeares after Christ and hath beene ever vvithout all controversie taught of the Fathers of everie age since vntill this day That religion did Diony sius Areopagita S. Paule his scholer so manifestly teach as Causaeus a French Protestant called him for his labour a doating old Causaeus Dial. 5. 11. In capt Babilonica man much like as his father Luther had said before him that Areopagita his workes were like to dreames and most pernicious The same faith vvas taught of Saint Ignatius Clemens Iustinus Tertullian Cyprian Irenaeus and in one vvord all the anncient Fathers not one excepted G. ABBOT WHen Thomas Pilcher sometimes an vnworthy fellow of a Colledge in Oxford but afterward an vnlearned Priest of the Seminary after pardon once given him for his life and beeing exiled from his Countrey returned againe into Englande to pervert the subiectes of her late Maiestie he vvas by arrest of lawe to be brought to execution vvhere as I haue heard being remembred by an intelligent person that he should bee well advised what the right or wronge of the cause was for which hee did suffer his reply was that if hee were in an errour then Irenaeus and Iustine Martyr Tertullian and Origene Lactantius Hilary Chrysostome Ambrose Hierome Austen Gregorie Bearnarde and all other the olde Fathers of the Primitiue Church vvere mightily deceived for what he held they taught The silye man had much adoe to learne the names of all these but for reading any of them or for knowing what they vvrote there bee many yet living who dare safely giue their word that he good man was never troubled with it This is the very case of the greatest part of you Papists you wil speak without the book and make good little of that which you say but yet for lacke of chalenging facing it out you will loose nothing of antiquity And among al your copes-mates as one that knoweth least and therfore dareth to say most you lay about you here for al al againe You are now come to your selfe revested with your olde spirite and therefore wee will looke for a legion of Vniversals at your handes The vn-Catholike Romane Religion it is Papistry which you meane is not onely taught or plainly taught but most plainelie taughte not by some but by all the ancient Fathers of the first sixe ages after Christ and hath beene not sometimes but ever not doubtingly but without all controversie taught of the Fathers of each age vntill this day If you had a fore-heade lefte and knevve vvhat you did saye vvhich I thinke you doe not but onely take vp this speech on the word of other men you would blush a whole yeare togither at this your owne absurdity and by that time woulde this rubour bee so setled in your face that it would never out For that I may plucke you a little backe by the sleeue doth Saint Augustine and Orosius Fulgentius and Bernard where they of purpose handle the argument teach as you do teach cōcerning the freenesse of Gods grace every way and touching free will a In pref 1. 5 Bibli Sāct Sixtus Senensis shall condemne you who reiecteth Saint Augustines doctrine in that behalfe Doe Lactantius and
testimony and he saith that s Rom. 15. 19 from Hierusalem rounde about vnto Illyricum he caused the Gospell of Christ to abound And to take away all pretence of obiection he addeth that he preached the Gospell where s vers 20. Christ was not named least hee shoulde haue built on another mans foundation If these things be so plaine as no Christian can doubt of them blush and blush againe at such desperate audaciousnesse as maketh no conscience egregiously to faine T. HILL TRue it is that Heretikes have corrupted such as were Catholikes before but that they ever converted any Heathen Nation to Christianity can never bee shewed I know very well that Iohn Calvine to get glorie sent certaine of his Ministers into nevve-founde landes but I never coulde heare that any of them converted so much as one sily vvoman to their Gospell in those partes The trueth is their agreement in doctrine vvas so greate that one destroying anothers buildings they became laughing flockes to the Heathens and so vvere glad to depart with shame G. ABBOT 3 THAT Heretikes haue corrupted such as were weaklings or discontented persons is true and may well bee exemplified in your broode perverting diverse credulous and indiscreete folkes from their obedience to God and their Princes but they are not sounde Catholikes or vvell setled and grounded in the faith who will listen to you or any seducer And if there bee any heathen nation vvhich hath hearde of the name Christ by you and your polluted Christianity it is most certaine that it hath bin by Heretikes the servauntes and attendantes of the whore of Babylon beeing a hundred waies infected with heresie and the vvhole body of Popery where it differeth from vs being nothing else but a masse of abhominable heresie But vvhere-as you say that Calvine sent some of his Ministers into the nevve-founde lande if you vnderstoode your selfe in this which like a Parret you speake from other men and know not what it meaneth the t Io. Leriuâ—… in navigat in Brasil ca. 1 2 6. viage into Brasile in the yeare one thousand fiue hundred fifty fiue was the original worke of Villagagno a Knight of Malta who pretending himselfe to be religious seeing the persecution which at that time was vsed in France against Gods children vnder K. Henry the second gaue out in words that hee would search out a place in the newe-found VVesterne vvorld whither persecuted Christians might flie out of Fraunce Spaine and other countries And for this purpose hee had ayde of Chaâ—…llion that worthy Admirall of Fraunce who was afterward slâ—…ine at the u An. 1572. Massacre in Paris And whereas by his letter Uillagagno had made request to the Church of Geneva to send with him or vnto him diverse Ministers of the Gospell they at his entreary condescended therevnto and some went who as especially they desired to prepare a place for their afflicted country-men whereof at that time many were burnt for Religion so their next intendment was to vse their best meanes to convert the Barbarians vnto the faith of CHRIST And when diverse of the Ministerie leaving their countrie kinred and that estate which they had in Fraunce were come thither with those resolutions they never dissented in the least pointe of theâ—… doctrine But Uillagagno like a notable Hypocrite togither with a Popish Priest of his one Cointas who had before abiured Popery there as also the Generall voluntarilie had done relapsed to their vomite evill entreated their Ministers by all meanes that they could devise set the companie vpon a mutinie and forced such as lost not their lives there to returne to their country when they had scant spente one yeare in those partes and that full of vexation by reason of their Conductours perfidious falshood This was the reason wherefore that viage sorted to small purpose and not the discorde of the Ministers And this wicked practise did arise from the Cardinall of Lorraine who either in secret before the departure of Uillagagno or afterward by letters drewe him to Apostate from his faith â—…s Lerius who was there in presence and reporteth the specials of all that viage and their Generals vsage there doth amply remember And that this was the true cause of their returne wee neede not appeale to any of our men fince Costerus the Iesuite will tell it thus u The Calvinistes not many yeares agone Controver cap 2. did attempt to bring in their errours to the people of India and Peru but by the â—…ide of CHRIST and by the industrie of the Catholikes they were excluded Indeede the Cardinall of Lorraine be stirred himselfe in that businesse being so bitter an enimy to the Gospell of CHRIST that hee could not endure that the Frenchmen should have it at home or abroade least belike multitudes of them should have left their countrie and built Colonies elsewhere So he cared not what losse or dishonour the kingdome of Fraunce had so there might be no Sanctuary or refuge for those whome hee reputed heretikes dealing as honestly and faithfully therein as Steven Gardiner while hee lived and afterwardes other of the Cleargie did with Caleis in Queene Maries time which towne they vnderstanding to be the receptacle of many good Christians fled out of England for their conscience were so averse from regarding repayring and supplying it that the French discrying the weakenesse thereof by attempting it both sodeinely and subtilely afterward pursuing their enterprise fearcely did get it from the English Such was the blessed minde of that Machiavellian Cardinall whome GOD x Commentar Relig. Reip. in Gal. Lib. 13. remembred at the last suffering him by a colde which he had taken by going barefoote and whipping himselfe for his lascivious sinnes to grow first into a fever and then into a madnesse which sent him raving and foolishly speaking to receive his iudgement The Queene mother as ashamed that Ahitophel shoulde proove Nabal caused it to bee reported about the Courte that the man went to GOD in most sweete meditations but the other was so evident that every bodye laughed at the simplicitie of their devise who would have that covered which the Lorde had shewed of purpose that every ones y 1. Sam 3. 11. eares who heard of it might tingle T. HILL BVT who knoweth not that the Catholikes as they have converted all to Christianity that ever were Christians so in this age they have brought infinite numbers to the Christian faith in the East VVest Indies by the meanes and labours of the most happy and holy fathers of the holie Order of S t. Frauncis of S. Dominicke and of the blessed Society of Iesus which blessed Religious men in our owne Country there of England onely in regard of their sacred function are executed as Traitors And have not these I pray you their authority from Rome G. ABBOT 4 THE vanitie and vnwisenesse of this asseveration I haue plentifully shewed before
But heere I do adde that there is scant any Country whose Authenticall Recordes doe proove that your Romanistes for these you must meane as in your former speech brought first the faith vnto them Of Italye Fraunce and Germany I vvill say nothinge let them aunsvvere for themselves but vvee English men may best speake of England z Bristow Moâ—…v 17. Some Papistes haue saide it that Augustine the Monke vvas the first vvho brought the faith into England by Gregories meanes and therfore they doubte not to call him our Apostle Let it bee that some Saxons first receaved by him Baptisme yet who beholdeth not in Bedâ—… a Eccl. Hist. lib. 1. 7. 8. writing that storie that Christianitie had bin in Britaine long before There were then Brittish Bishops who well knewe the faith of CHRIST and liked b Lib 2. 2. not of Austen for the pride which they saw to bee in him But long before this was the name of Christ knowen in this Iland c Bed Hist. 1. 7. Albanus being heere martyred Helena the mother of Constantine the Great being d Huntingt Histor. lib. 1. borne heere as it is storied and Pelagius the heretike against whome Saint Austen the Bishop of Hippo wrote beeing of this country e Bed lib 1 10 So that it is but a toy that Gregories Monke was the first that ever brought Christianity hither The wiser sort of Papists having it out of f Lib 4. 19 Monumetensis who long since was branded for a g 〈◊〉 in proâ—…m Histâ—…r fabulous writer and froÌ„ h Lib 2 c 21 Freculphus who was one of some better credit say that King Lucius of Britanny about the yeare of our Lord 180. did send to Eleutherius the Bishop of Rome from him had some sent in who baptised him his people This so overthrowing that other opinion concerning Austen is ordinarily taken vp among our Romanists theÌ„selves in so much that M. Watson in his i Quodlib 814 Quodlibets nameth for preachers of Christ Fugatius Damianus supposed to be sent hither by k 〈◊〉 4 19 Eleutherius amoÌ„g the old Albion Britains Saint Austen amoÌ„gst the English Saxons of whoÌ„ we all came But as touching that of Elentherius the l 〈◊〉 Foâ—… in Hist Eccles letter â—…owe extant as sente from King Lucius vnto him is rather for a Copy of the civil and Imperial lawes of Rome to bee sent vnto him into England then for any thing else there meÌ„tioned I may not therefore heere forget that it is receaved for a veritie that yet long before the daies of Lucius and Eleutherius the seede of the Gospell was sowen in Britaine eveÌ„ in the prime age of the Apostles by Ioseph of Arimathea which by the Iesuite m Controv. cap. 2. Costerus is not concealed when he saith For men vvill have or they say that Ioseph of Arimathea in the Apostles time was in England and that Simon the Leaper didgovern the Church Cenomanensis in Fraunce And to manifest that this is verie probable it shall not be amisse brieflie to cite such reasons as Maister n Eccle. Histor. l. 2. Foxe hath collected to shewe that the Britaine 's had receaved CHRIST before the daies of Eleutherius and Lucius vvho lived about the yeare of our LORD 180. First hee citeth out of o De victor Aureâ—… Ambros Gildas that in the yeare 63. Philip the Apostle sent Ioseph of Arimathea hither out of Fraunce and he first laide the foundation of Christian Religion Secondly out of Tertullian that p Contr. Indaeos the places of the Britaines which were inaccessible by the Romans were subiect to Christ. Thirdly out of q Homil. 4. in Ezech. Origene specifying that since the comming of Christ Britaine did consent to the knowledge of the onely God and both Tertullian and Origene hee reputeth to bee before the time of Eleutherius a little Fourthly out of Bede r Histor. Eccl. l. 5. 22. signifieth that the Britaine 's in his time especially such as had not conformed themselues a little before to the Romane fashion did keepe their Easter after the manner of the East Church Fiftly out of Petrus 〈◊〉 writing to Saint Bernard and affirming that the Scots kept their Easter in the same manner which sheweth that all the partes of this Ilande were brought to CHRIST by some who came out of the East or else the ceremonies should have beene planted after the fashion of the VVesterne Church Sixtly out of s Lib. 2. 40 Nicephorus affirming that Simon Zelotes brought the Gospell into the Iles of Britaine Seaventhly s Epistol ad Eleuther from Lucius himselfe vvho plainely signifieth that hee had received CHRIST before the sending to Eleutherius for the Romane Lavves These reasons collected by Maister Foxe are more of force then the slight testimonies of such late vvriters as may mistake one thing for another the sending for of the Imperial lawes to be to call for the faith of Christ. But admit it were thus and we should yeeld to the conceipt of these later authors what maketh this for them or against vs Since the words of the Apostle Paule may be vsed in this behalfe t 1. Cor. 14. 36. Came the word of God out from you that is to say were you the first citty whence the Gospell was derived was it Rome it selfe that had it originally or was it not rather converted by that which came from Ierusalem That cittie in Iudea was the fountaine of all therefore if any place should be respected for that which is past Hierusalem shoulde bee renoumed and magnified even of Rome it selfe and of all other because from thense all primarilie albeit some mediately and some immediâ—…tely sucked the doctrine of the Christian faith But as our Papistes in this case make no account of Hierusalem since the glorie both inward and outward thereof is decayed so wee make as little reckoning of Rome which is so vtterly swarved from the puritie of that profession which it had not onely in the time of the Apostles but even of Eleutherius that vix u Terent. in Eunucho cognoscas candâ—…m esse VVee can in no sorte discerne it to bee the same 5 VVhat a harvest your Dominicane and Franciscane Friers have made in the Indies I deferre to recount till I come to the nexte Chapter Onely heere I tell you that vpon vncontroulable warrant wee finde not that almost any man of worth for learning wisedome warfare or government hath by his conversion given any testimony to Christendome of the good which your Friers have done among the Indians You please your selues with fancies and mulus mulum scabit one of you doth falsely trumpet the praises of another If you be such convetters why goe you not into Africa into the kingdomes of Marocco and Fez to Tunis or Argier From Spaine or Italie the distance is not much to these Or why do you not