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A27035 A second true defence of the meer nonconformists against the untrue accusations, reasonings, and history of Dr. Edward Stillingfleet ... clearly proving that it is (not sin but) duty 1. not wilfully to commit the many sins of conformity, 2. not sacrilegiously to forsake the preaching of the Gospel, 3. not to cease publick worshipping of God, 4. to use needful pastoral helps for salvation ... / written by Richard Baxter ... ; with some notes on Mr. Joseph Glanviles Zealous and impartial Protestant, and Dr. L. Moulins character. Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1681 (1681) Wing B1405; ESTC R5124 188,187 234

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far_o to_o heal_v we_o can_v we_o obtain_v it_o he_o say_v that_o any_o one_o that_o have_v see_v they_o know_v it_o to_o be_v a_o mistake_n to_o say_v it_o be_v publish_v by_o john_n fox_n ans_fw-fr his_o reader_n must_v be_v a_o strong_a believer_n and_o take_v much_o on_o his_o word_n 1._o i_o have_v see_v they_o and_o speak_v with_o man_n of_o great_a understanding_n that_o have_v see_v they_o that_o yet_o judge_v it_o no_o mistake_n 2._o the_o preface_n of_o the_o publisher_n be_v like_o his_o style_n 3._o it_o be_v call_v praefatio_fw-la i._n f._n and_o can_v every_o reader_n know_v that_o i._o f._n mean_v not_o john_n fox_n 4._o ordinary_a tradition_n say_v it_o be_v fox_n and_o what_o shall_v i_o soon_o believe_v in_o such_o a_o case_n instead_o of_o prove_v that_o they_o have_v all_o a_o power_n to_o their_o condemnation_n which_o we_o see_v they_o exercise_v not_o let_v he_o procure_v a_o real_a power_n declare_v and_o grant_v and_o it_o will_v do_v more_o than_o these_o 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destruction_n and_o to_o the_o reproach_n of_o christianity_n and_o the_o utter_a undo_n of_o million_o of_o soul_n and_o though_o pope_n and_o prelate_n have_v abuse_v it_o to_o captivate_v prince_n and_o nation_n the_o just_a use_n of_o it_o he_o know_v be_v mention_v by_o the_o universal_a church_n and_o visible_o record_v in_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o several_a age_n though_o some_o erastians_n be_v of_o late_a against_o it_o and_o jesuit_n and_o worldly_a protestant_n can_v dispense_v with_o it_o when_o it_o will_v hurt_v their_o worldly_a interest_n and_o turn_v it_o chief_o against_o god_n servant_n that_o displease_v and_o cross_v they_o sect._n 25._o p._n 284._o he_o say_v the_o want_n of_o discipline_n in_o the_o parish_n church_n be_v never_o think_v by_o old_a nonconformist_n destructive_a to_o the_o be_v of_o they_o answ_n they_o do_v not_o confound_v the_o power_n and_o the_o exercise_n nor_o what_o the_o minister_n office_n be_v indeed_o and_o from_o god_n and_o what_o it_o be_v by_o the_o bishop_n mind_n and_o rule_n of_o conformity_n i_o say_v as_o they_o 1._o the_o exercise_n may_v be_v suspend_v without_o null_v the_o power_n or_o policy_n 2._o they_o be_v true_a pastor_n and_o church_n by_o god_n will_n against_o the_o will_n of_o those_o that_o will_v degrade_v they_o sect._n 26._o but_o suppose_v every_o man_n leave_v to_o his_o own_o conscience_n for_o communion_n 1._o he_o say_v the_o great_a offender_n general_o excommunicate_v themselves_o answ_n 1._o and_o be_v it_o your_o way_n to_o leave_v all_o the_o rest_n to_o their_o conscience_n and_o yet_o to_o preach_v and_o write_v against_o and_o lay_v in_o jail_n dissent_v godly_a people_n that_o communicate_v not_o with_o you_o 2._o and_o be_v not_o all_o these_o offender_n still_o member_n of_o your_o church_n albaspineus_n complain_v of_o their_o roman_a french_a church_n that_o he_o never_o know_v any_o further_a cast_n out_o than_o from_o the_o sacrament_n and_o leave_v still_o to_o 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or_o dispute_n etc._n etc._n 3._o many_o church_n as_o under_o one_o christian_a magistrate_n as_o a_o accidental_a head_n 4._o many_o church_n associate_v for_o mutual_a help_n and_o concord_n without_o any_o govern_n head_n either_o of_o one_o kingdom_n or_o of_o many_o 5._o many_o church_n as_o mere_o agree_v in_o judgement_n and_o love_n in_o distant_a part_n of_o the_o world_n none_o of_o these_o be_v church_n in_o the_o political_a sense_n but_o be_v equivocal_o so_o call_v but_o political_o 1._o all_o the_o christian_a world_n be_v one_o church_n as_o form_v by_o their_o relation_n to_o christ_n the_o head_n 2._o all_o single_a church_n that_o have_v pastor_n to_o guide_v they_o in_o the_o essential_o of_o the_o pastoral_n office_n be_v true_a church_n form_v by_o this_o mutual_a relation_n these_o two_o be_v undoubted_a 3._o the_o now_o roman_a catholic_n church_n be_v one_o by_o usurpation_n as_o inform_v by_o one_o usurp_a head_n 4._o a_o patriarchal_a church_n be_v one_o as_o govern_v by_o a_o patriarch_n 5._o a_o provincial_a church_n be_v one_o as_o head_v by_o the_o metropolitan_a or_o as_o mix_v where_o aristocratical_o other_o be_v join_v with_o he_o 6._o a_o archiepiscopal_a or_o diocesan_n church_n that_o have_v particular_a church_n and_o bishop_n under_o it_o be_v one_o as_o head_v by_o that_o diocesane_n jure_fw-la a_o injuriâ_fw-la i_o dispute_v not_o 7._o a_o diocesane_n church_n of_o many_o score_n or_o hundred_o parish_n have_v no_o episcopus_fw-la gregis_fw-la or_o true_a pastor_n and_o pastoral_a church_n under_o he_o but_o only_o half_a pastor_n and_o chapel_n that_o be_v but_o part_n ecclesia_fw-la be_v one_o even_o of_o the_o low_a sort_n in_o their_o opinion_n as_o head_v by_o that_o diocesane_n 8._o a_o presbyterian_a classical_a church_n be_v one_o as_o head_v by_o the_o class_n 9_o a_o
be_v it_o his_o own_o ●…act_n or_o be_v he_o therefore_o not_o oblige_v by_o it_o have_v it_o not_o be_v requisite_a that_o you_o shall_v have_v justify_v all_o that_o we_o stick_v at_o as_o unlawful_a before_o you_o charge_v we_o with_o cross_v this_o rule_n sect._n 56._o p._n 204_o etc._n etc._n my_o word_n in_o many_o book_n against_o schism_n be_v cite_v and_o praise_v reader_n he_o tell_v man_n the_o measure_n of_o their_o charity_n and_o church_n communion_n viz._n that_o man_n that_o do_v as_o much_o as_o i_o do_v that_o forbear_v so_o long_o sacramental_a administration_n that_o gather_v no_o church_n that_o hold_v constant_a communion_n with_o divers_a parish_n church_n that_o have_v write_v so_o much_o and_o earnest_o against_o schism_n shall_v yet_o be_v eject_v silence_v pay_v 40_o ●_o a_o sermon_n and_o lie_n in_o jail_n unless_o i_o will_v do_v more_o while_o bishop_n laud_n design_n for_o widen_v the_o church_n door_n to_o the_o papist_n be_v magnify_v by_o heylin_n 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