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A00430	Catholique traditions. Or A treatise of the beliefe of the Christians of Asia, Europa, and Africa, in the principall controuersies of our time In fauour of the louers of the catholicke trueth, and the peace of the Church. Written in French by Th. A.I.C. and translated into English, by L.O.; Tradition catholique. English	Eudes, Morton.; Owen, Lewis, 1572-1633.	1609 (1609)	STC 10561; ESTC S101746	137,760	254

that hee erred in the faith the words of the Lord are not in vaine That the gates of Hell shall not preuaile against the Church The piety and integrity of Religion may be firmely preserued in other Bishops It is then manifest that it is not peculiar to the Roman Church to bee founded vpon this stone for that should be hard and grieuous and not far differing from the Iewes basenesse to inclose the Church within Rome Well then Christ hath built his Church but he builded it vpon the faith and doctrine of Peter and vpon those that shal be keepers and obseruers of such a confession And if Saint Agathon affirmed that his Church to wit that of Rome neuer erred from the truth it is no wonder for it is because that indeed very seldome she falleth from the faith Otherwise how should a man interpret this place of Scripture All are gone out of the way they are al corrupt there is none that doth good no not one Moreouer when he saith that the Church of Rome is not stayed from the way of truth he speaketh of the time past and doth not include the time to come and that which is to bee noted Agathon spake that before the sixt Synode Theuet The Patriarch of Ierusalem as I haue seene did excommunicate out of the body of their Church the which they hold from al antiquity aswel the pope of Rome as also all Christian Princes to wit those of the Roman Church because that they are seperated from the Greeke Church the which receiued the Gospell before the Latine Church Villamont The Syrians doe boast themselues to be the first Christians of the world because that Saint Peter had his seate seauen yeares in Antioch before that euer he went to Rome which is the reason that the Syrians would neuer submit themselues to the Church of Rome Theuet The Christians of Traprobane and the Ilands neare thereunto doe not acknowledge nor their fathers did neuer acknowledge the popes Cardinalles or prelates of Rome Also the Nestorians and other Indians doe call the Pope a Bishop vnapproued Sacranus The Ruthenians and Moscouites doe say that the Pope is an Hereticke and doe excommunicate him and his Clergy at such times as they do celebrate the Lords supper THE SOVTH CHVRCH ALuares Prester-Iohn calling to remembrance that I had said that the Church had drawn these things that is to say the ceremonies of the Masse out of the passion he demaunded of me what was this Church and wherefore haue we two chiefe heads in Christendome the one at Constantinople in Greece and the other at Rome in Italy vnto whom I made answere that we acknowledged no more then one Head of the Church and although Constantinople was the chiefe in the beginning yet the same now was abolished for that the head of the Church ought to be where Saint Peter dwelleth because that Iesus Christ tolde him Tues Petrus super hanc petram c. And then when Saint Peter was in Antioch the Church was there by reason that the chiefe head was then there resident the which being now come to Rome there was the Ecclesiasticall Iudge established and so firmely placed that it remaineth there vntil this present Moreouer he told me then that I yeelded sufficient reason for the Church of Rome but hee asked me what I could say of the Church of Constantinople which was planted by St. Marke and of that of Greece whereof Saint Iohn Patriarch of Alexandria was head Annot. The reason of this great King is the very same with the Grecians in the controuersie against some Cardinals in these wordes If that your Roman Church be the chiefe and mother of the other Churches by reason that Saint Peter was her Pastor it is more reason that Antioch should obtaine these titles because she first embraced and receiued his preaching from thence it commeth that Antioch is called Theopolis the citie of God or else that Church of Ierusalem which obtained the great and Soueraigne Sacrificer who preached and offered himselfe a Sacrifice therein The vniuersall Histories of the Indies made mention that the Pope sent Ouiedo a Spaniard to drawe the Abyssins or Aethiopians to acknowledge the Romane Church but the Emperour Claudius of Ethiope then raigning chased him away and Ouiedo was compelled to hide himselfe THE REFORMED CHVRCH OF THE WEST THE confession of Wittenberg Wee beleeue and confesse that the Church ought to expound the Scripture but there are diuers opinions concerning the Church that is to say where it must be sought for and whether her iurisdiction be inclosed within certain limits Now wee doe thinke according to the holy Scripture and the holy Fathers that the Catholike and Apostolike Church is not tyed to any one certaine place to one nation or to one sort of people but that it is in that place and with those nations where the Gospell is sincerely preached The confession of the Swizers We doe condemne the Donatists which would inclose the Church in a corner of Affrica and we approue not the Clergie of Rome who attribute the name of Catholike onely to the Romane Church Annot. The Diuines of Tubinge in their letters doe call the Patriarch of Constantinople Oecumenicke and haue sought the Vnion of the East Churches THE CATHOLIKE ROMAN CHVRCH POpe Pelagius Although that all the Catholicke and Apostolike Churches established through the vniuersall world are a nuptiall bedde of Christ Neuerthelesse the holy Roman Church was not preferred before the other Churches by any constitutions of councels but rather obtained the Primacy from the holy words of our Lord. The Church of Rome is therefore the first Sea of the Apostle Peter she hath no spot or wrinkle or any such thing but in these things the higher her degree is the greater is her authoritie for the greater haue the power to commaund and the lesser are to yeelde obedience ANNOTATION SAint Peter ought to be considered foure manner of wayes first in the quality of an Apostle sent by God immediately as such a one that had no successor In the second place as an Apostle simply hauing charge to plant many Churches in such manner S. Marke and other Euangelistes their Substitutes which also are called Apostles were his Successors In the third place as a Bishoppe and President in euery Church where he was that is to say in Antioch Rome Ierusalem as Euodias did succeede him in Antioch Clement in Rome S. Iames the Apostle and S. Simeon in Ierusalem Fourthly S. Peter is to be considered as Primate in the Catholike Church in such manner S. Iohn the Apostle entirely beloued of the Lord succeeded him hauing out-liued S. Peter fiue and twenty or thirty yeares Moreouer that S. Iohn was preferred before all the Bishops of the world is apparent by that that he was taken for one of the three pillers of the Church and was one of the twelue foundations

Rome haue brought into their church many errours and haue innouated many things without and against the decrees of the councels withall they haue added to the Symbole of Nice of their priuate authority that the holy Ghost proceedeth from the Sonne euen as from the Father That although that the vniuersall councell hath giuen the first seate to the bishoppe of Rome yet did not they beleeue that the church in future time could not take from him this place especially if the church of Rome should fall into any errour as they say she is already fallen 14 That in the meane while the prouinces of the Empire of Charles the great to wit Fraunce Italy Germanie and Spaine remained vnder the bishoppe of Rome as being their nearest Patriark which is the reason that they now go about to perswade men that the Primacie appertaineth vnto him by Gods Law but this should bee no preiudice to other Churches nor to the trueth 15. That the Bishops of Rome enriched with the gifts and Donations of the Kings of France and per aduenture beleeuing themselues to be that which was repated of them haue ouerthrowne both Spirituall and Temporall Monarkes and haue caused to bee receiued in places vnder obedience to them as well the Lawes of their predecessors the Popes made by the Church of Rome as also those Lawes which they themselues from time to time doe adde thereunto in somuch that the Churches of the East South and North with good reason haue opposed themselues against these enterprises The confession and beliefe of the Apostolicke Churches about this Question here in controuersie is this That the first seate which is by diuine Law so farr as is necessarie for the order of Councels and is meete to shew vnitie is by the Ecclesiasticall Law as also the Sea that appertaineth to any such Bishop whome the Catholicke Church shall iudge to be fit and capable of such a charge QVESTION III. Whether Miracles are sufficient proofes that a Christian Nation ought to bee held for a true Church and without errour THE EAST CHVRCHES MArcus Paulus a Venetian The Citizens of the Citie of Tauris are Mahomets but there are some Christians that inhabit there to wit Nestorians and Iacobites Neere to which Towne is a Mountaine which was once remoued out of his place by the occasion that followeth The Sarrazins willing to scandale the Gospel said that it was written If you haue faith as much as a grine of Mustard-seede you shall say vnto this Mountaine remoue hence to yonder place it shall remoue Well said the Sarrazins mocking the Christians if your saith be so excellent cause this Mountaine to remoue out of his place Then one of the Christians feruent in faith spake to the Mountaine with a great confidence Get thee hence The which incontinently remoued in the presence and fight of all the people The very same Author maketh mention of a Pillar hanging in the ayre which sustaineth the Vault of a Church in Sammarchan Vilimont Whosoeuer would see a thing worthy of memorie must goe to a little Towne called Sardinale inhabited by the Christians of the Church of the Syrians where Turkes Sarrazins or Moores cannot dwell but they die before the yeeres end Faber Not farre from the Citie of Muscouia there is a great Monasterie wherein is the Sepulchre of one Sergius an Abbot which Monasterie is very much frequented of the people for it was holden very famous for many miracles that were there wrought whereof it shall be sufficient to produce one Which is that two blind men were restored to their sight there The same Author It is a common thing amongst the Muscouits to enchant Serpents with words and chase away Diuels and deliuer and helpe them that are possessed Thomas Lopes The people of Mangalor say that they went very often to the Sepulchre of S. Thomas which is in their Countrey who wrought among them many miracles The Ecclesiasticall Historie of Constantinople maketh mention that Arsenius was instituted Bishop by the Pope hee being then become a member of the Church of Rome for which cause hee was Excommunicated by the Patriarcke Pachomius a little after that hee died and his soule went with the soules of Arrius and Eutiches hereticks and his body was found black swollen which caused great feare to those that saw him THE MERIDIAN CHVRCH ALuares There is a Sepulchre of one of the Sons of King Abram which they say was a Priest Amongst other miracles which they attribute vnto him they say that the Angels did minister bread and wine vnto him when he celebrated The same Author They attribute the title of a Saint to a certaine King whose name was Balibeta towards whom the people beare such great deuotion that all Ethiope doth runne thither where his body is buried which they report to worke great miracles Idem There is a Monastery called Abba Gariman retaining this name of one which as they report raigned in Greece who hauing forsaken his Kingdome retired to this place to do penance for his sinnes where he finished his daies very holily and they report that he at this present doth miracles THE CATHOLIKE ROMAN CHVRCH GLoss Canon glorios We must enquire of miracles done in the life time and after death And to the end that these may be true miracles foure things are requisite first that they be of God and not framed by arte or by the diuell for miracles are wrought by the wicked secondly that they be contrary to nature as that of the Rodde of Moses turned into a Serpent thirdly that they be not wrought by wordes but thorough the merites of a man fourthly that they be for the confirmation of the faith Annot. Whosoeuer would know more amply the Miracles of the Latin Church may reade the Legends and liues of the Saints THE REFORMED CHVRCH THe confession of the French-men We beleeue that the word conteined in the Canonicall Writings proceeded from God And forasmuch as it is the very rule of trueth it followeth that neither antiquity nor customes nor the multitude nor humane wisedome neither iudgements nor visions nor Miracles ought to be opposed to it ANNOTATION THe East Churches doe beleeue that the Roman and Ethiopian Churches doe holde an erroneous and Hereticall opinion although there are Miracles wrought amongst them In like manner the Romanes doe pronounce an Anathema against all Christians that haue not obeyed them as well against them of the East and South as also the North Church notwithstanding their Miracles the Church of Affricke refuse nay scorne to goe and submit or subiect themselues eyther to the Greeke Church or to the Latine Church notwithstanding their Miracles the Latin church in the foresaid Canon dooth confesse that Miracles are wrought by wicked persons The reformed Church saith that Miracles or the bruite of Miracles ought not to be taken as a Marke of the true church And which is more

Russia doe hold that it is lawfull for the secular Lords to beate and depose their Patriarches Bishops and Priests Louis Regius The king of Moscouia surpasseth in crueltie and rigour of commanding al the Monarches of the world and hath gotten such authority ouer all his subiects as well Ecclesiasticall as secular that he may dispose at his pleasure of their liues and goods They confesse publikely that the will of the Prince is the will of God and therefore they call him the keeper of the keyes of heauen and Gods Chamberlaine THE SOVTH-CHVRCH THeuet The Gerich that is to say the Emperour of Ethiope is as the Pope in his countrey and causeth all things to passe vnder his hands both the temporall and the most part of the spirituall Moreouer he bestoweth benefices vpon such men as are of good life and learning I meane the Ecclesiasticall and vpon none else THE REFORMED CHVRCH THe confession of Ausburg There hath beene great disputation concerning the authority and power of Bishops wherein some haue very ill handled both the Ecclesiasticall authority and the temporall power From this confusion haue sprung and arisen great warres and stirres during the time that the popes relying vpon the power of the keyes haue not onely instituted a new manner of worship charging mens consciences by reseruations of cases and by violent excommunications but also they haue attempted to transport the kingdomes of the world and to take the Empire from the Emperours But good men and those that were learned in the Church haue heretofore reproued these things THE ROMANE CHVRCH EXtraua Vnam sanctam Admit that the Grecians and others say that the Primacy of the Church was not giuen to S. Peter and his Successors then doubtlesse they must confesse that they are not of the flocke of Christ who said that there is one fould and one shepheard We are taught by the wordes of the Gospell that there is therein two swords that is to say the one a spirituall the other temporall For when the Apostles said Loe here are two swords the Lord answered not that there were too many but said it is enough Truely he that denieth that the temporall sword is not in the power of S. Peter taketh very little regard to the wordes of the Lord who said Put vp thy sword into the sheath the one and the other is therefore in the power of the Church to wit the spirituall and the materiall and both swords ought to be gouerned by the Church the one by the Priests the other by the hands of kings and men of war but according to the will and permission of the Priests for the one sword must be vnder the other sword ANNOTATION THe Bishop of Rome was obedient in times past to the Emperours of Constantinople but after such time as the Citie of Rome was taken away from the Emperours of of the East and King Charles sur-named the great had receiued from the said Bishop the title of Emperour He and his successors grewe so much obliged to the same Sea of Rome that the Popes perswasion ioyned with their deuotion hath caused that they haue giuen the higher place to them which ought as their predecessors did to shew themselues obedient to the secular power Notwithstanding this when the Latin Monarches saw their authority too much abated they could not suffer this indignity from thence arose those disorders which all Europe hath seene vnder the Frederickes Henries Philip sur-named the Faire the factions of the Guelphes and Gibellines and such like Tragedies Our Realme of France hath vnto this present maintained some liberties which were heretofore purloyned and taken away from Italy Spaine and England But now she fostereth and nourisheth in her bosome ingratefull children who daiely endeuour and seeke to receiue the Councell of Trent Besides if the Emperours of Germany haue opposed themselues against the attempts of Rome the Grecians haue passed farre beyond them The Pope would haue taken away before this time the Title of Emperour from the Emperour of Greece The Gretian by the consent of the Apostolike Sea had transported into the East S. Peters Chaire and notwithstanding the Anathemes and inforcements of the Romane Court the Empire of the East was maintained many ages that is to say vntill the yeare 1453. A fatall end at which time the prophecie of Daniel should be accomplished He shall plant the Tabernacles of his Palace betweene the Seas in the glorious and holy Mountaine yet he shall come to his end and none shall helpe him Vntill that time this Empire was not held but from God and by the sword as the Glosse of the Canon Si Imperator The Emperour say some men hath not his authority from the Pope but from God onely and the same doe I likewise allow of But where is that true Emperour It is he of Constantinople for the other that is to say he of Germany is but a maintainer and defender of the Church of Rome I must not passe ouer with silence how the Romanes doe open iniury to Charles the great King of Fraunce saying that the Pope gaue him the Empire of the West which is most false and vntrue for Charles obtained it by Armes and had conquered and brought the Citie of Rome it selfe into subiection if it had pleased him or if they had not willingly yeelded themselues vnto him If hee submitted himselfe to the Pope it was of curtesie and deuotion and not of any duetie As for the Christians of the East they haue beene called Melchites that is to say Royalists or Imperialists because that they haue neuer acknowledged none no not the greatest man in the World but the imperiall Maiestie In like manner the Christians of Affrica are also Melchites The auncient Catholike Church was Melchite more then seuen hundred yeares for there was neuer any Councell where the Emperour had not the highest place or that the Popes of Rome yeelded not their due obedience The holy Apostles haue also beene Melchites yea our Sauiour Iesus Christ himselfe for he payed tribute aswell for himselfe as for S. Peter Likewise in the estate of the Israelites an estate ordained of God the Priestly Soueraigntie bowed to the secular authoritie although that that high sacrificer had an vnlimited iurisdiction and that he was the representatiue Image of the great and eternall Sacrificer Iesus And as those that ranke the high Priest vnder Emperours and Kings are Royalists and Emperialists in like manner in our time the reformed Christians haue called those of the contrary opinion Papists as who would say subiects of a Priest for in Greeke Papa signifieth a Priest a name neuerthelesse which doth not properly belong but to those that beleeue that the Pope hath power to iudge and depose Kings By this which hath bene spoken a man may see that the Imperialists are Catholikely spread through the foure quarters of the world and that their beliefe in this point hath bene from