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A30388	The life of William Bedell D.D., Lord Bishop of Killmore in Ireland written by Gilbert Burnet. To which are subjoyned certain letters which passed betwixt Spain and England in matter of religion, concerning the general motives to the Roman obedience, between Mr. James Waddesworth ... and the said William Bedell ...	Burnet, Gilbert, 1643-1715.; Bedell, William, 1571-1642. Copies of certain letters which have passed between Spain & England in matter of religion.; Wadsworth, James, 1604-1656?	1692 (1692)	Wing B5831; ESTC R27239	225,602	545

Lords of their due obedience and antient inheritance When as the Bishop and Clergy of Geneva upon the throwing down Images there by popular tumult departed in an anger seven years ere ever Calvin set Foot within the Gates of that City A thing not only clear in Story by the Writers of that time and since Sleidan Bodine Calvins Epistles and Life but set down by those whom ye cite Mr. Hooker in his Preface speaking of Calvin He fell at length upon Geneva which City the Bishop and Clergy thereof had a little before as some do affirm forsaken being of likelihood frighted with the peoples sudden attempt for the abolishment of Popish Religion And a little after At the coming of Calvin thither the form of their Regiment was popular as it continueth at this day c. Dr. Bancroft The same year that Geneva was assaulted viz. by the Duke of Savoy and the Bishop as he had said before pag. 13 which was Anno 1536. Mr. Calvin came thither If Calvin at his coming found the Form of the Government Popular If he came thither the same Year that the Bishop made war upon Geneva to recover his Authority being indeed either affrighted or having forsaken the Town before how could Calvin expel him And in truth Bodine in his second Book De Repub. Chap. 6. affirmeth That the same Year Genoa was established in a State Aristocratical which was he saith Anno 1528. Geneva was changed from a Monarchy Pontifical into an Estate Popular governed Aristocratically although that long before the Town pretended to be free against the Earl and against the Bishop c. What Saravia hath written touching this point I cannot tell as not having his Book But in Beza his answer to him there is no touch upon any such thing He joyns with his complaint of the sacrilegious usurping Ecclesiastical goods in answer to his Proëme He dissents in that Saravia accounts the Seniors of the reformed Churches like to that kind which Saint Ambrose speaks of brought in out of wisdom only to rule the disorderly Beza saith they were not introducti but reducti Cap. 12. For the rest in all that answer there is nothing of Calvin or any such revolving of the state as you accuse him of Which makes me think that herein your memory deceived you It may be that in your younger time falling upon these Authors by occasion of the question of Discipline which was then much tossed ere ever your judgement were ripened you formed in your mind a false impression of that which they say of Calvin You conceited them out of your zeal in the cause to say more than they do and thus possible unawares received the seeds of dislike of the doctrine of Calvin as well as his discipline which have since taken root in you But you shall do well to remember the difference you put a little before of these two Christian doctrine is uniform and ever the same government is changeable in many circumstances according to the exigence of times and persons And even the same men that write somewhat eagerly against Master Calvin yet give him the praise of wisdom to see what for that time and state was necessary Master Hooker saith of him That he thinks him incomparably the wisest man that ever the French Church did enjoy since the hour it enjoyed him and of his platform of discipline after he hath laid down the summ of it This device I see not how the wisest at that time living could have bettered if we duely consider what the present state of Geneva did then require But be it and for my part I think no less that herein he was mistaken to account this to be the true form of Church policy by which all other Churches and at all times ought to be governed let his error rest with him yea let him answer it unto his Judge but to accuse him of ambition and sedition and that falsly and from thence to set that brand upon the Reformation whereof he was a worthy instrument though not the first either there or any where else as if it could not be from God being so founded for my part I am afraid you can never be able to answer it at the same Barr no nor even that of your own Conscience or of reasonable and equal men For the stirrs broils seditions and murthers in Scotland which you impute to Knox and the Geneva Gospellers they might be occasioned perhaps by the Reformers there as the broils which our Lord Jesus Christ saith he came to set in the world by the Gospel Possible also that good men out of inconsiderate zeal should do some things rashly And like enough the multitude which followed them as being fore prepared with just hatred of the tyranny of their Prelates and provoked by the opposition of the adverse Faction and emboldened by success ran a great deal further than either wise Men could foresee or tell how to restrain them Which was applauded and fomented by some politick Men who took advantage of those motions to their own ends And as it happens in natural Bodies that all ill humors run to the part affected so in civil all discontented people when there is any Sorance run to one or other side and under the shew of common Griefs pursue their own Of all which distempers there is no reason to lay the blame upon the seekers of Reformation more than upon the Physicians of such accidents as happen to the corrupted Bodies which they have in Cure The particulars of those affairs are as I believe alike unknown to us both and since you name none I can answer to none For as for the pursuing our King even before his birth that which his Majesty speaks of some Puritans is over-boldly by you referred to Master Knox and the Ministers that were Authors of Reformation in Scotland Briefly consider and survey your own thoughts and see if you have not come by these degrees First from the inconsiderate courses of some to plant the pretended Discipline in Scotland to conceive amiss of the Doctrine also Then to draw to the encreasing of your ill conceit thereof what you find reported of any of the Puritans a Faction no less opposed by his Majesty in Scotland than with us in England So when we speak of Religion though that indeed be all one you divide us into Lutherans Zwinglians Calvinists Protestants Brownists Puritans and Cartwrightists whensoever any disorder of all this number can be accused then lo are we all one and the fault of any Faction is the slander of all yea of the Gospel it self and of Reformation Judge now uprightly if this be indifferent dealing From Scotland you come to England Where because you could find nothing done by popular tumult nothing but by the whole State in Parliament and Clergy in Convocation you fall upon King Henry's Passions you will not insist upon them you say and yet you do as long as upon any one member

could not be finally determined without a Great Seal from the King confirming all that was done there was One sent over in all their names to obtain it but this was a work of time and so could not be finished in several Years and the Rebellion broke out before it was fully concluded The Lord Lieutenant at this time was Sir Thomas Wentworth afterwards Earl of Strafford a name too great to need any enlargement or explanation for his Character is well known At his first coming over to Ireland he was possessed with prejudices against the Bishop upon the account of a Petition sent up by the County of Cavan to which the Bishop had set his hand in which some complaints were made and some regulations were proposed for the Army Which was thought an insolent attempt and a matter of ill example So that Strafford who was severe in his administration was highly displeased with him And when any Commission or Order was brought to him in which he found his name he dashed it out with his own Pen and expressed great indignation against him When the Bishop understood this he was not much moved at it knowing his own innocence but he took prudent methods to overcome his displeasure He did not go to Dublin upon his coming over as all the other Bishops did to congratulate his coming to the Government but he writ a full account of that matter to his constant Friend Sir Thomas Iermin who managed it with so much zeal that Letters were sent to the Deputy from the Court by which he was so much mollified towards the Bishop that he going to congratulate was well received and was ever afterwards treated by him with a very particular kindness So this Storm went over which many thought would have ended in imprisonment if not in deprivation Yet how much soever that Petition was mistaken he made it appear very plain that he did not design the putting down of the Army For he saw too evidently the danger they were in from Popery to think they could be long safe without it But a Letter that contains his vindication from that aspersion carries in it likewise such a representation of the state of the Popish interest then in Ireland and of their numbers their tempers and their principles that I will set it down It was written to the Archbishop of Canterbury and is taken from the printed copy of it that Mr. Prynne has given us Right Honourable my very good Lord IN the midst of these thoughts I have been advertized from an honourable Friend in England that I am accused to his Majesty to have opposed his service and that my hand with two other Bishops only was to a Writing touching the Money to be levied on the Papists for maintenance of the Men of War Indeed if I should have had such an intention this had been not only to oppose the service of his Majesty but to expose with the publick peace mine own Neck to the Skeans of the Romish Cut-throats I that know that in this Kingdom of his Majesties the Pope hath another Kingdom far greater in number and as I have heretofore signified to the Lord Iustices and Council which is also since justified by themselves in Print constantly guided and directed by the Orders of the new Congregation De propaganda Fide lately erected at Rome transmitted by the means of the Popes Nuntio's residing at Brussells or Paris that the Pope hath here a Clergy if I may guess by my own Diocess double in number to us the heads whereof are by corporal Oath bound to him to maintain him and his regalities contra omnem hominem and to execute his Mandates to the uttermost of their Forces which accordingly they do stiling themselves in Print Ego N. Dei Apostolicae Sedis gratia Episcopus Fermien Ossorien I that kn●w there is in the Kingdom for the moulding of the people to the Popes obedience a rabble of irregular Regulars commonly younger Brothers of good Houses who are grown to that insolency as to advance themselves to be members of he Ecclesiastical Hierarchy in better ranks than Priests in so much that the censure of the Sorbon is fain to be implored to curb them which yet is called in again so tender is the Pope of his own Creatures I that know that his Holiness hath erected a new Vniversity in Dublin to confront his Majesties Colledge there and to breed the youth of the Kingdom to his Devotion of which Vniversity one Paul Harris the Author of that infamous libel which was put forth in Print against my Lord Armach's Wansted Sermon stileth himself in Print to be Dean I that know and have given advertisements to the State that these Regulars dare erect new Fryeries in the Countrey since the dissolving of those in the City that they have brought the people to such a sottish senselesness as they care not to learn the Commandments as God himself spake and writ them but they flock in great numbers to the preaching of new superstitio●s and detestable Doctrines such as their own Priests are ashamed of and at all those they levy Collections Three Four Five or Six Pounds at a Sermon Shortly I that kn●w that those Regulars and this Clergy have at a general meeting like to a Synod as themselves stile it decreed That it is not lawful to take the Oath of Allegiance and if they be constant to their own Doctrine do account his Majesty in their Hearts to be King but at the Popes discretion In this estate of this Kingdom to think the Bridle of the Army may be taken away should be the thought not of a brain-sick but of a brainless Man The day of our deliverance from the Popish Powder Plot Anno 1633. Your Lordsship's in all Duty Will. Kilmore By his cutting off Pluralities there fell to be many Vacancies in his Diocess so the care he took to fill these comes to be considered in the next place He was very strict in his Examinations before he gave Orders to any He went over the Articles of the Church of Ireland so particularly and exactly that one who was present at the Ordination of him that was afterwards his Arch-Deacon Mr. Thomas Price reported that though he was one of the Senior Fellows of the Colledge of Dublin when the Bishop was Provost yet his Examination held two full Hours And when he had ended any examination which was alwayes done in the presence of his Clergy he desired every Clergy-Man that was present to examine the person further if they thought that any material thing was omitted by him by which a fuller discovery of his temper and sufficiency might be made When all was ended he made all his Clergy give their approbation before he would proceed to Ordination For he would never assume that singly to himself nor take the Load of it wholly on his own Soul He took also great care to be well informed of the moral and

your Ordination there is no Word said And as little there is in Scripture of your Sacrifice which makes Christ not to be a Priest after the order of Melchisedeck c. with much more to this purpose Where my Defence for your Ministry hath been this That the Form Receive the Holy Ghost whose sins ye remit they are remitted c. doth sufficiently comprehend the Authority of preaching the Gospel Use you the same equity towards us and tell those hot Spirits among you that stand so much upon formalities of Words That to be a Dispenser of the Word of God and his holy Sacraments is all the duty of Priesthood And to you I add further that if you consider well the Words of the Master of the Sentences which I vouched before how that which is consecrated of the Priest is called a Sacrifice and Oblation because it is a Memorial and Representation of the true Sacrifice and holy Offering made on the Altar of the Cross and joyn thereto that of the Apostle that by that one Offering Christ hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified and as he saith in another place through that Blood of his Cross reconciled unto God all things whether in Earth or in Heaven you shall perceive that we do offer Sacrifice for the Quick and Dead remembring representing and mystically offering that sole Sacrifice for the Quick and Dead by the which all their sins are meritoriously expiated and desiring that by the same we and all the Church may obtain remission of sins and all other Benefits of Christs Passion To the Epilogue therefore of this your last Motive I say in short Sith we have no need of Subdeaconship more than the Churches in the Apostles times and in truth those whom we call Clerks and Sextons perform what is necessary in this behalf Sith we have Canonical Bishops and lawful Succession Sith we neither want due intention to depute Men to Ecclesiastical Functions nor matter or Form in giving Priesthood deriving from no Man or Woman the Authority of Ordination but from Christ the Head of the Church you have alledged no sufficient Cause why we should not have true Pastors and consequently a true Church in England CHAP. XII Of the Conclusion Mr. Waddesworth's Agonies and Protestation c. YEt by these you say and many other Arguments you were resolved in your understanding to the contrary It may well be that your Understanding out of its own heedless hast as that of our first Parents while it was at the perfectest was induced into error by resolving too soon out of seeming Arguments and granting too forward assent For surely these which you have mentioned could not convince it if it would have taken the pains to examine them throughly or had the patience to give unpartial hearing to the Motives on the other side But as if you triumphed in your own conquest and captivity you add that which passeth yet all that hitherto you have set down viz. That the Church of Rome was and is the only true Church because it alone is Antient Catholick and Apostolick having Succession Vnity and Visibility in all Ages and Places Is it only antient To omit Ierusalem are not that of Antioch where the Disciples were first called Christians and Alexandria Ephesus Corinth and the rest mentioned in the Scriptures antient also and of Antioch antienter than Rome Is it Catholick and Apostolick only Do not these and many more hold the Catholick Faith received from the Apostles as well as the Church of Rome For that it should be the Vniversal Church is all one as ye would say the part is the whole one City the World Hath it only succession where to set aside the enquiry of Doctrine so many Simoniacks and Intruders have ruled as about fifty of your Popes together were by your own Mens Confession Apostatical rather than Apostolical Or Unity where there have been thirty Schisms and one of them which endured fifty years long and at last grew into three Heads as if they would share among them the triple Crown And as for dissentions in Doctrine I remit you to Master Doctor Halls peace of Rome wherein he scores above three hundred mentioned in Bellarmine alone above three-score in one only head of Penance out of Navarrus As to that addition in all Ages and places I know not what to make of it nor where to refer it Consider I beseech you with your wonted moderation what you say for sure unless you were beguiled I had almost said bewitched you could never have resolved to believe and profess that which all the World knows to be as false I had well nigh said as God is true touching the extent of the Romish Church to all Ages and places Concerning the agonies you passed I will say only thus much if being resolved though erroneously that was truth you were withholden from professing it with worldly respects you did well to break through them all But if besides these there were doubt of the contrary as methinks needs must be unless you could satisfie your self touching those many and known Exceptions against the Court of Rome which you could not be ignorant of take heed lest the rest insuing these agonies were not like Sampsons sleeping on Dalilahs knees while the Locks of his Strength were shaven whereupon the Lord departing from him he was taken by the Philistins had his Eyes put out and was made to grind in the Prison But I do not despair but your former resolutions shall grow again And as I do believe your religious asseveration that for very fear of damnation you forsook us which makes me to have the better hope and opinion of you for that I see you do so seriously mind that which is the end of our whole life so I desire from my Heart the good hope of salvation you have in your present way may be as happy as your fear I am perswaded was causeless For my part I call God to record against mine own Soul that both before my going into Italy and since I have still endeavoured to find and follow the truth in the Points controverted between us without any earthly respect in the World Neither wanted I fair opportunity had I seen it on that side easily and with hope of good entertainment to have adjoyned my self to the Church of Rome after your example But to use your words as I shall answer at the dreadful day of judgement I never saw heard or read any thing which did convince me nay which did not finally confirm me daily more and more in the perswasion that in these differences it rests on our part Wherein I have not followlowed humane conjectures from foreign and outward things as by your leave methinks you do in these your motives whereby I protest to you in the sight of God I am also much comforted and assured in the possession of the truth but the undoubted Voice of God in his Word which is more