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A72264 The touch-stone of the reformed Ghospell. Wherin sundry chiefe heads and tenets of the protestants doctrine (obiected by them commonly against the Catholicks) are briefly refuted. By the expresse texts of the protestants owne Bible, set forth and approued by the Church of England. With the ancient fathers Iudgments thereon, in confirmation of the Catholike Doctrine; Gagge of the new gospel Heigham, John, fl. 1639. 1634 (1634) STC 13033.8; ESTC S125239 50,830 222

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