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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A78622	A raging wave foming out his own shame. Or, An answer to a book lately published by Richard Hains (a person withdrawn from) entituled, A protestation against usurpation. Wherein appears such a measure of envies bitterness heaped up, pressed down, and running over, as the like in some ages hath not appeared, by his many false accusations, and malicious insinuations, thereby to provoke (if possible) both the chief magistrate, and all men of what degree soever, to have suspicious thoughts of the innocent, easily proved to have no other fouudation [sic] but his own evil imaginations. : Wherein also the church of Southwater by him contemptuously rendered papistical in their act of withdrawment from him, is vindicated and cleared, first, by apostolical authority, secondly, by Rich. Haynes his own pen. / Written by Matthew Caffyn ...	Caffyn, Matthew, 1628-1714.	1675 (1675)	Wing C207A; ESTC R173317	24,862	30

speaking that Christians should both in their families and in their closets not only be frequent but more fervent more sensible and serious in the performance of their duties therein as touching the discouraging his servants whereof also he speaketh none surely can reasonably think that we who have conscionably refused to communicate with him can in conscience encourage any to joyn in communion with him who hath thus heaped up sin upon sin to so great a degree Again what besides R. H. his continued wrath against me which faith the Apostle worketh not the righteousness of God could move him elsewhere pag. 6. to declare that I condemned Patents in general whereas he hath lying by him these words of mine under my hand namely that for persons to have Patents in several cases as they may be circumstanced is both legal and reasonable let the Reader judge In the next place the reader may understand that as to the matter for which and the manner in which he was proceeded against he hath abused us so also that he no less extravagantly proceeds to abuse us but more especially my self pag. 3. as a person that will not come to the light lest my deeds should be reproved as if I were conscious to my self of irregularity in our proceedings and so have withstood his appeal to others Concerning which all may understand that he had according to the custome of our Churches free liberty to make his appeal to any of the many Churches in the Counties adjacent though commonly some neighbour-Church has been the persons appealed unto but to use his own words elsewhere he utterly refused so to do and why because faith he further to use his own words most of them were inferiour and that I was adored as he is pleased to term it and esteemed by many of them so that it seems such as have esteem for me are not judged by R. H. suitable persons to hear and determine this controversie and yet doth he and oh that he would consider how envy hath confounded him talk much of impartial justice Furthermore all may know that if R. H. had notwithstanding his appeal to some one of those many Churches aforesaid remained dissatisfied or if otherwise no determination should have been made he then might have freely made his appeal to our quarterly meetings consisting of diverse elders and brethren from several congregations nor is this all the liberty which he might freely have had but upon his remaining dissatisfaction might also have freely made this appeal to the general Assembly at London nor yet is this all but when at the first general Meeting his appeal for some cause hereafter to be mentioned could not be then received I then did freely offer the truth whereof R. H. surely will not oppose that if the present Assembly would choose out six men or more I should be willing that they with the Quarterly meeting in the Countrey should be the only Judges of the matter depending betwixt us and that I and the Congregation would not be concerned save only to give evidence but he as before utterly refused it nor yet is this all the liberty or ways of condescention that was allowed R.H. for when at the next general meeting he appeared with urgency not common for a hearing of the matter they being such as himself made choice of and had esteem for 't was declared to him after some debate that they would condescend ●o his motion though so to do crossed the method of proceedings that formerly they had upon good grounds agreed upon and which for the sake of some others was not granted and so the matter was examined judged and determined to the utmost of their present capacity and their result recorded as himself confesseth pag. 10. the which when R.H. had perused he in the face of the Assembly told them that he contemned what they had done the which is confessed by him p 10. but in better words he presents it to the Reader saying that he signified his dislike of their result with his reasons for it now in the consideration of such our constant freedom that he should make his appeal not to this or that Church of our choosing but to what particular Church himself should make choice of among the many Churches in several Counties being by him utterly refused together with the consideration of such his insolent contempt of the result drawn up by the general assembly consisting as he may well know of the Messengers Elders and brethren the Representatives of the Churches both in the City and Countrey one would think that were there an absolute death of Christianity in him and but humanity only remaining he would not have thus abusively published me or any others as persons refusing to have the case heard or tried as frequently he suggesteth And whereas he is pleased to say pag. 11. that he doth not perfectly understand the result of the General Assembly though as far as he did understand it the effect of it was that we should reverse the sentence of excommunication the reader may observe how extreamly unwilling he is that it should be understood that the general assemblie did at all favour us to prevent which he plungeth himself into confusion and self-contradiction and so 't is happened unto him according to what is written where envying is there is confusion and every evil work for in the page just before he tells the Reader that he signified his dislike of their result and his reasons for it whereby 't is evident that he not only understood it but also well knew that the effect thereof was not that we should reverse it unless he would have the Reader understand that he shewed his dislike to the Assemblies result because they had justified him and condemned us As touching that conference we had first about it in a Coffee-house while represented by him a meeting of some great authority in truth 't was only intended as signified to me by letter a private conference about the matter with a few persons not any particular Church nor any particular persons chosen by the Churches nor the Church of South-water who excommunicated R. H. so much as sent unto to be present there whereupon as in truth they could not so in truth they did not pretend to any power to determine the matter but plainly and publickely declared the contrary nor was R. H. himself willing to refer the matter to them while he blames me upon that account unless his declared resolutions to stand by what end thereof others should make according to the unerring rule in his judgment may properly be called the referring it Yet is it true that this conference intended with a few only being known in the city several others unconcerned came and contrary to rule and expectation R. H. engageth one to be there that did not belong to any of the baptized congregations in communion with us whom I suppose he conceived sufficiently averse to me who

concerned himself with some others in favour to his case more then any of those that did belong to us and that sent and signified their desires to me of such a conference and whereas he would possess the Reader that I have given a false account of what was spoken by some at this conference my answer is that as I am not conscious to my self of any such thing so also that they whom it concerns never as yet signified any such thing to me nor do I suppose that they ever will thus judge of me as R. H. doth when their word at that time spoken shall be brought again to their remembrance and although it be true that some present at this conference do entertain in communion one that hath a Patent yet is it not true that the same person hath a Patent upon like considerations as R. H. hath his as he would have the Reader believe for that the said persons Patent was not as ever I heard attended with any reproach or scandal to his profession to the probable injury of mens souls stumbling thereat nor yet with the grief and offence of his brethren deeming it insufferable all which were the most evident attendances of R. H. his Patent and besides while R. H. his invention as he terms it of threshing non such after the same manner as for many years men used to thresh Clover hath been by men learned in the law judged undeserving this mans art and inventions on the other hand hath been judged so far deserving and to advantage tending as that his Majesties pleasure is to entertain him as his Hydrographer if I mistake not the title And whereas he further suggesteth to the Reader that I very dishonestly withstood his appeal afterwards to the general Assemblie at London notwithstanding my promise to do what I could to have it there determined and this to his considerable cost by reason of his witnesses that he brought thither which saith he had I been honest and a Christian might have been prevented by my telling him before that there it could not be heard pa. 8. My answer is that in all honesty to him as a Christian I did tell him Jam. Smith a living witness thereof being with me in R. H. his parlor that by reason of an agreement formerly made by the general Assembly the case depending between he and us could not be there heard unlikely therefore that I should tell him I would do what I could that it might be there heard and determined till such time he did first make his appeal to the Countrey Assemblies and then it might for which cause I in reason could not ingage the Church or their messengers to repair thither for a hearing having also perfect knowledge that several cases presented to the general meeting before and of great concernment too had been for the present withstood upon the same account even their not having made their appeal elsewhere before now had he not been already corrected for this abusive charge that is my not telling him before for the prevention of his expence that his case could not then be heard I might reasonably have attributed it to his forgetfulness but when the reader shall consider as justly he may that he had now lying by him the testimony of my self and Jam. Smith under our hands without the least exception since against it both that he was and the very place where he was told of it what can this his publication now be less then a manifestation of his willingness to abuse me and more especially when it shall be considered with his own confession pa. 6. that they to wit the general assembly would not to use his own words hear the matter except it were examined by some other Congregation before And whereas he would have the Reader believe that I was the only instrument to hinder the hearing of his case at this meeting the truth is that neither I nor any other but himself only was the instrument to hinder it for that he refused to make his appeal first elswhere according to the method of our proceedings which upon good causes formerly we had agreed upon and whereas the congregation at Southwater determined not to appear at the general Assemblie at London because they understood that by reason of their former agreement the case depending between them and R. H. would not then be tryed if afterwards I had said though his bare saying that I did who hath said so much extravagantly is little that if the generall Assembly through his excessive urgencie should incline to the hearing his case when by their own former agreement the congregation of Southwater was absent I could and very reasonably too put it off for that time till another opportunity when the congregation might be there yet doth not this in the least suppose such a withstanding his appeal as he would have the Reader understand for that it was constantly allowed him there to appeal after his appeal first in the Countrey is not only declared by us but also confessed by himself pa. 6. but what may justly and reasonably be concluded from R.H. his so great earnestness to have his case heard at the general Assembly and when they did undertake it he not only found disregarding but also contemning what they had done besides that the impartiall justice which he pretends to be zealous for to be done by others is no other then himself to be quitted and others condemned according to his own judgment let the Reader judge As touching his frequent suggestions that he hath been put to great expences by his having up several witnesses let him reflect upon his own folly therein for had he received the information given by me and also by others that his case could not be heard there till he first appealed in the Countrey he might thereby have pretended both his trouble and charges nor may he only herein reflect upon his own folly but also in his having up witnesses the last meeting when his case was examined for while he to the abuse both of me and the Assembly gives such an account pa. 10. as supposethto the Reader that the examination of his witnesses was refused in truth they were never called forth by him to testifie any thing for him as I know of but while here he relates so much of his expensive troubles in reference to his witnesses I doubt he considereth not as iustly he might his expences otherwise and more particularly his expences to his transcriber he being a man learned in the law who either that he might the better revenge himself upon the object of his envy or that he might seem to men eminent or both who I say to use his own words elsewhere supplied with amendments his matter where he had not made it true english or perfect sense And whereas R.H. doth further declare that though it were unusuall for such cases to come to the general meeting yet his case might