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A61556 The grand question, concerning the Bishops right to vote in Parliament in cases capital stated and argued, from the Parliament-rolls, and the history of former times : with an enquiry into their peerage, and the three estates in Parliament. Stillingfleet, Edward, 1635-1699. 1680 (1680) Wing S5594; ESTC R19869 81,456 194

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death_n or_o give_v vote_n in_o the_o sentence_n of_o condemnation_n at_o which_o council_n be_v present_a 2_o archbishop_n 12_o bishop_n and_o 21_o abbot_n and_o before_o h._n two_o '_o s_o time_n this_o canon_n of_o toledo_n be_v receive_v into_o the_o body_n of_o the_o canon-law_n make_v by_o ivo_n burchardus_fw-la regino_n and_o gratian_n who_o live_v in_o the_o time_n of_o k._n stephen_n and_o when_o they_o see_v such_o a_o canon_n so_o general_o receive_v be_v there_o not_o far_o great_a reason_n to_o think_v they_o desire_v to_o withdraw_v then_o that_o they_o shall_v press_v to_o be_v present_a and_o the_o king_n restrain_v they_o but_o the_o constitution_n be_v so_o frame_v on_o purpose_n to_o let_v they_o understand_v that_o the_o king_n expect_v in_o all_o judgement_n they_o shall_v do_v their_o duty_n as_o other_o baron_n but_o lest_o they_o shall_v think_v he_o purposely_o design_v to_o make_v they_o break_v the_o canon_n he_o leave_v they_o at_o liberty_n to_o withdraw_v 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