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A16958	Certayne questions concerning 1. Silk, or vvool, in the high priests ephod. 2. Idol temples, commonly called churches. 3. The forme of prayer, commonly called the Lords prayer. 4. Excommunication, &c. Handled betvveen Mr Hugh Broughton remayning of late at Amsterdam in the Low contreyes. and Mr Henry Ainsvvorth teacher of the exiled English Church at Amsterdam aforesayd.	Broughton, Hugh, 1549-1612.; Ainsworth, Henry, 1571-1622? aut; Blackwell, Francis, fl. 1605.	1605 (1605)	STC 3848; ESTC S106726	36,807	44

Betwixt himself his most reverend Father the curse then doth lie between them let it rest The effects folowing his excommunication ar next to be minded He assured the readers that they should see the Archb. or himself pay the price Would he hav men expect miracles by his hands as if some great plague should folow the man tht he curseth or els himself The word of God teacheth vs to look for no such thing by the excommunication of a whole church much lesse of one man but rather to hope for the sinners conversion salvation by means of this censure or otherwise to leav him to Gods judgement without looking for corporal punishment vpon him in this life For God often suffreth wicked here to flourish long go down in peace to the grave when he layeth his rod strokes vpon his own beloved children And if he please to lay any judgement vpon the wicked here on earth yet he reserveth such things to his own secret counsel wil not hav them expected from the mouth of man Let Mr Br. then look how he presumeth thus to limit the Lords judgements betwixt his neighbour himself least the evil light on his own head It seemeth because the Archb. is dead this man thincketh he payed the price of his curse if himself had first died the reader must hav judged his curse killed him self Wel let him beware he curse not many least some of them do out live him he dynig without repentance giv the world occasion to thinck he died accursed surely miserable Yet let th' effects folowing be minded of the reader as he willed him For the Archb. as he sayth confessed his error I hope then Mr Br. was not so vnmerciful but to forgiv him except he count his sin to be against the Holy ghost vnpardonable If he forgaue him after it the Archb. died a man may suppose he died rather vpon Mr Broughtons blessing then his curse if any would think he killed him as himself now often boasteth His Bull of excommunication given out against my self I desire also may be considered First he sayth no subject wil dispute one for al Christians against me yet he being but one wil excommunicate me 2. If I were to be excommunicat it must be for sin wilfully persisted in such he hath not proved to be in me neyther wil be brought to prove by Gods word any thing he sayth 3. Mr Br. being a member minister of the church of England I am none of his brethren nor any fellow member with him of that bodie which we witnesse against not to be a true gathered constituted church of Christ What authoritie then hath he over me except he be a Pope claymeth power over all churches 4. No false Prophet or antichristian minister hath the power of the keyes or right to administer the word or censures of Christ Such is Mr Br. having received a false ministerie or preisthood at the hands of his right reverend Fathers the Prelates which ministerie we hav disproved in many writings published Mr Broughton himself wil not cannot approve his own function 5. We ar counted schismaticks out of the church of me he sayth I have given my self to Satan by wicked excommunication If it be so I am not within but without the church already therfore cannot be cast out of that communion in which I am not Now the Apostle Paul the whol church of Corinth had no authoritie to judge them that wer without but onely them that wer within God judgeth those without 1 Cor. 5.12.13 But Mr Br. in judging excommunicating me if I be such as he esteemeth me hath taken vpon him more power then the Apostle had presumeth to do that vvhich perteyneth to God 6. That which he sayth to the ArchB if you deserved it not it returneth to the giver let him apply to himself in this case If I hav deserved it it is for sin al sin must be discouered judged by Gods law the sinner wilfull With me he refuseth to debate the matter how am I then convinced of sin or deserv I this censure What then shal I say shal I wish it may turn to the giver Shal I say As he loved cursing so shal it come vnto him as he loved not blessing so shal it be far from him as he clothed himself with cursing like a rayment so shal it come into his bowels like water like oyl into his bones I wil rather reward this man good for his evil towards me pray God he may find grace repentance mercie because I hope he hath done this ignorantly if otherwise he shal receiv the more heavie judgement For doubtlesse God that wil not hold any man guiltlesse that shal take his name in vayn vvil not suffer this great profanation of his name censure to go vnpunished except the sinner purge himself by vnfeighned repentance As for me I hav otherwise learned Christ then to fear the curse causlesse or to be affrayd of vain-man vvhose breth is in his nosthrils The Lord promised to Abram vvhose child through faith I am I wil blesse them that blesse thee wil curse them that curse thee And though this envious man like Shimey revile curse me yet I say with the prophet It may be the Lord wil do me good for his cursing this day In him I trust to be hid from the scourge of the tongue and from the juniper coles wherwith this enemy would scorch into which he would send me Yea though his mouth were as Nebuchadnezars fornace seven times hotter then any mans I wil repose in him that saved his servants from that flame hath made this promise to every true Israelite VVhen thow walkest through the fyre thow shalt not be burnt neyther shal the flame kindle vpon thee Isa 43.2 Henr Ainsworth Mr Hugh Broughton his other vvritings against Mr Henry Ainsvvorth aforesaid Articles of vnlernedship obiected to Mr. Ainsworth shewing that he doth not well to take vpon him a Doctorship And first from Aharons attire afterwards for all Exod. Ebrew and Greek studies shewing that he should do better to learne yet 20. yeares then beeing blind to lead the blind into ditches M. Ainsworth was accused that he sayd the Ephod had blew silk scarlet and crimson white silk where in trueth the coloured was woollen threed and the white was linen by the vniversall consent of the Ebrewes who had 1400. yeres open sight and vse of these matters and in all theyr recordes are vniforme for the matter Also the best Rabbins of Christians vpon the great Plantine Bible in many places might have forced him to have perceived his blindnes Ainsvvorthes aunsvver In steed of humilitie he bableth most senseles through a sheet of paper almost all neer written to match the leaves of a forrest in grosse errours by

right by them erected And for the former I refer you to the scripture which cōdemneth the antichristian worship for idolatrie and worship of divils and maketh Babylon the habitation of divils and hath forbidden vs al manner communion and fellowship with divils or idols or reteyning vsing any monuments of their abomination and draweth their places within this compasse as vvel as their altars images and vvarranteth vs not by any lavv or example of the Prophets or Apostles to vse such idol howses for Gods worship which ar appropriat to the worship of Satā a part of his childrēs devotion It remayneth then vpon you to justify the vse of these Massehouses to discover our error if such it be that reprove condemne them Touching praier we hold it to be a powring out of the hart before God by making requests or giving of thancks according to the present need occasiō through the help working of the Holy ghost which God hath shed into the harts of al his children We find that al the holy men of God vsed thus to pray in the spirit without reading or saying by rote any number of words have plentiful examples herof in Abrahā Isaak Israel Moses Iosua David Solomon with many other Saincts We find it promised that at Christs coming the spirit should be more plentifully powred vpon the church even the spirit of grace of supplications which he graciously performed both by doctrine spiritual gifts wherwith he furnished his disciples who accordingly prayed not with prescript words but with such as the spirit gav them to vtter God preparing their hart bending his ear According to these rules examples in scripture we offer vp our prayers in faith acknowledging that forme caled the Lords prayer to be a most perfect patterne given for our instruction that it is lawful and good to vse any of those or other words of scripture fitly applied to our present purpose This yow profanely cal our befooling of saying the Lords prayer and like not as it seemeth of such praying but would bind vs to the saying over of those very words without shewing any proof by doctrine or example for that you say save that you mentiō onely th'expresse commaundement As if we might vnderstand any commaundement contrary to the Analogie of faith whole tenour of the scriptures It is the true meaning of Gods oracles that must be regarded Otherwise we know the Papists hav as expresse words in shew for their real presence in the Sacrament think they hav as good warrant from Luk. 1.48 to say the Ave Maria as you for the Pater noster But if you wil needs vnderstand require a pronouncing of those words in praying seing the commaundement is general for al times persons you must first cast away your own popish leitourgies wher you teach men to say other words by which you check the Lord Iesus his spirit taking vpon you to giv lawes formes for prayer other then his Testament alloweth You may as wel reduce preaching to the reading over of the 10. commaundements as praying to the reading of Our father And as your prescript leitourgies so your conceiving of prayers otherwise at your sermons other times sufficiently refuteth your own doctrine You shal do wel therfore better to approve of your own doings to convince ours by the word of Christ before you perswade people to your custome speak evil of the way of truth with such bitternes For our excommunication I answer 1. That my self alone never excommunicated any but togither with the church wherof I am in the name by the power of Christ who hath given vs this charge and authoritie to cast out from amongst vs al wicked persons This hav we done to divers and God hath confirmed it in heaven we hav seen it with comfort in the conversion of many hardning of others that they hav grown worse worse 2. And wher you charge vs with excōmunicating for baptising in the Dutch church we in deed mislike the faults that are in this Dutch church about baptisme wil not suffer our members that hav ioyned in covenant with vs to run into those iniquities or partake with them though we have not hitherto cast out any for this particular you mention but for other transgressions that deserv cutting of as we by Gods word ar ready to prove But if you wil take vpon you to defend the corruptiōs of this Dutch church in baptizing the children of them that ar of no church their other transgressions in their constitution goverment vvorship c. wherof we hav admonished their overseers and which things ar published in our answer to Mr Iuni●● and ar neyther amended among them nor approved by him or themselves we ar willing to hear what you can say vvhen you hav iustified them by Gods word then may you iustly blame vs for condemning them But more cause hav you to look to your ovvn practise about excommunication th●n thus to revile vs. You gav out the curse Maranatha against your right reverend Father in God Iohn VVhitgift Archb. of Cant. and vainly boast that you killed him Who hath committed that censure vnto you by vvhat authority proceeded you against him Ar the keyes of the kingdome of heaven put into your hands alone and vvil you take vnto you papal povver Vnlesse you can approve of your actions by the lavv of God it vvil be found that your self are the wicked excommunicatour You cal me a blasphemer of the Christians their church I require proof of your accusation shew in vvhat vvords or vvriting I hav blasphemed any Christian if you can not bethink you vvhat vvilbe the revvard of lying lips Hovv vaine is your religion that refreyn not your tongue but let it loose vnto such vituperie and despite taunting disdeighning them that never did you evil tvviting other learned men that hav so vvel deserved of the church by their vvritings exspecting thanks you vvote not for vvhat affecting popular prayse Knovv you not that God resisteth the provvd giveth grace to the humble Hovv contrary ar you to Christ vvho received not prayse of men hovv can you beleev aright in him vvhich seek honor of men not the honor vvhich cometh of God alone And for your persecuting of this poor church of Christ making vs the mark for your sharp arrowes thincking because we ar despised of the world that you also may tread vs vnder your feet be sure the Lord wil bring yovv vnto judgement As for me I never expected honor from yow I know the vpright of way is abomination to the wicked I account it my honor to bear evil mens reproch The best glorie of my studie is to know Christ him crucified to be

ask mercie of God for the reproch vvherwith he vnjustly lodeth vs. If he thinck he can prove it why seeketh he to set on foot nevv matters leav the old vvise men wil soon see this vveak cariage And is it not a vvorthy argument that he mentioneth for vpholding his idol temples that al Christian lawes would put me to death therfore sobriety should be more in me then to require one man to teach me Could not the Turk himself vvith this bloody reason quickly confute al Christendome and did not his predecessors the Papists fight vvith these weapons against Gods former witnesses in their several ages I perceiv now if the magistrates sword wil not mainteyn these holy buildings we shal hav no defence for them from Mr Broughton Wel then let Baal plead for himself against them that shal ruinate his howses altars And wheras he thincketh it wil be no joy for him a man to tread down me that am a worm let him goe on to rejoyce in his manhood I wil rest contented with my portion in my saviours lot who was before me a worm not a man the shame of m●n contempt of the people For his curse given out against his Lords grace of Cant. now that he is put to justifie the same by the word of God he writeth very faintly asking How he did it otherwise then by citing him to Gods iudgement and himself and further asking May not any to any do so But I would ask againe May not any heretick in the world say this much more also for ●is erroneous doctrines actions Do not the Papists plead much better for their Popes preeminence And if he bring no better proof I doubt he teaching that any may giv out the excommunication against any vvil be judged both of Papists Protestants to hav ●●●ed but false doctrine The commaundement of Christ doth plainly refute it Mat. 18 15-17 where he willeth that our brethrēs sin̄es should first by our selves next by witnesses thirdly by the church be convinced before excommunication And Paul in a publick most lothsome crime that was in Corinth willed the church when they wer gathered togither to deliver the sinner to Satan by the power of Christ If one man may excommunicate an other what vse is ther of these lawes yea what confusion vprore would it not breed amongst men And wher he asketh how he did it otherwise then by citing the Bishop himself to Gods iudgement shal we take him to mean that he excommunicated cursed himself also at the same time For against the Prelat thus he wrot printed You know you have the Anathema maranatha given you it returneth to the giver if you deserved it not if your desert be doubtlesse you ar surely miserable Now the Anathema maranatha is the dreadful sentence which the Apostle inioyneth against such as love not the Lord Iesus Christ which in our English Bibles is expressed by Execration Excommunication to death 1. Cor. 16.22 Can any man of judgemēt think that the church of Corinth should no otherwise proceed against such an enemie of Christ then by citing him themselves to Gods judgement In doubtful matters wher no proof or witnesse is an oth may end the strife the thing be left vnto God to judge bring to light when pleaseth him as the scriptures teach but in cases of excommunication the sin must be manifest sinner obstinate then he by the church through the power of Christ delivered to Satan that he may be humbled ashamed for his sin if such be the wil of God so returne to Christ the church be saved And this censure the church executeth with full assurance of Gods good liking approbation knowing that he in heaven judgeth bindeth the sinner with them as he hath promised If this certaintie must be of a mans wicked estate before excommunication much more must it be before the Maranatha And as for Gods iudgement seat we know that we must al there appear at that day to receiv according to that we hav done but excommunication is Gods judgement of sinners in this life world by his church the power wherof is not left in any one mans hand much lesse in every mans to excommunicat his neyghbour then to say I have but cited him as my self to Gods iudgement But let vs serch a litle further into this his censure He gav it to the ArchB and then eyther he or himself by his own graunt was accursed miserable If the man be accursed so ar al his actions which he doth in that estate Neyther may any Christian hav spiritual or civil fellowship with one so cast out but must avoyd him least he partake with his punishment The sin of Achan in medling with the anathematized or excommunicat thing brought wrath vpon the congregation of Israel Iosh 7. The ArchB was chief Pastor of the church of England he being accursed al his administration must needs be abominable they that joyned with or submitted vnto it were defiled Thus Mr Broughton being but one man an inferior minister hath of his own authoritie cast out of communion from Christ his church as himself estemeth it from King Queen Coūsel the whol Realm their Archpastor metropolitan without their consent if any of them hav since that his cursed estate communicated with him in doctrine prayer sacraments or any other part of his ecclesiastical function which extended over al the land they communicated with an enemie of Christ member of Satan and if any Bishop or other minister hav received ecclesiastical office from him they received it from the Divil not from Christ This blessing benefit hath Mr Br. brought vpon his countrie He saith lawes kil me for disturbance but let this his presumptuous dealing be looked into that thus intermedleth without lawful caling or any just maner of proceeding to excommunicat the Archpastor of al the realm let men of place mind whither his disturbāce past present deserveth not rather the sword which he so maliciously would bring vpon his neighbour whither I had not just cause to say that himself would be found to be the wicked excommunicator If others should beleev practise this his doctrine one man may curse an other none shal know almost with whom he may live or walk in communion For if any man anger his neighbour a litle as I have angred Mr Broughton his neighbour may presently excommunicat him as this man hath done me a minister may curse the greatest man in the land But now if the Archb. wer not justly lawfully cursed then Mr Br. sayth it returneth to the giver then himself hath been ever since that day so shal continew til he get out by repentance a cursed wight one that hath given himself over to Satan by wicked excommunication

chayneth the stories of the Patriarches birthes life and their sonnes possessions and cariage and regard from God all together Of Exod. v. 1 vnmarked Exod. Chap. 1. setteth all Leahs sonnes together and only Isachar Zabulon move the doubt vvhither they follow Iudah or come after the foure handmaids in the stones The Rabbines in the Thalmud consent shevv that thence Moses taught hovv by kindreds all together as the first had seniority of birth the terme Tholedoth vvas to be expounded And they savv extreme absurdities if that vvere not observed Of Heathens natiue light for Heroaldry Poets Greek Latin compare Mans case vvith resemblance in Naturall things fit to all iudgmentes Ouid in describing the Sunnes pallace observed that and in description of Slepe of Envy and in all his transformations Moses the holy Prophets allegories are extremely perfect pleasant in that kind And for Aharons attire the Rabbines by Naturall heroaldry and by the Prophets speak the same that the holy Apostles doe from God The vvhite linen the Helmet or Bonet of salvation the straite girding of the loynes Vrim Thūmim in faith love the building of the Temple sighting for the Church teaching the covenant of salvation meant by a throne holder like Iasper and Ruby with a rainebow like a rainebow and bearing of Gods name in the forehead these shew in the New Test what Aharons attyre meant And most of this have the Prophets and also the Rabbines And nether Prophetes the doubtlesse warrant nor Rabbines auctours for phrase commonly allowed by the Rabbines ever took the worme for signification of cleannes As in Greeke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Chamerpes earth-creaper is a name of slavish and earthly affection And our Lordes suffrings were taught by Blew scarlat and krimson fit for blood of al sorts and white for good successe in iustice And if he had ben to descend to hell black should have resembled that And why no Iron was in the Tabernacle Plato Tullie would soone see Iron is an instrument of vvarres not an ornament of a Temple So where in Daniels Image warres of 300 yeres betwixt the two legges Seleucidae Lagida should be still for Iudea tossed and scattered on both sides Iron was a sensible note and not gold silver nor brasse to expresse that He that marketh this may bring the like wit to the twelve stones how they vvere fit in badges and shew that he beareth chosen Mispat the care of right judgment on his brest and girdeth vp his loines like a man to fight the good combat of God Of Iacobs sonnes by his noble Wife base Handmaydes Christ Prov. 8. delighteth to play with the sonnes of Adam Not with the vvicked of whom he saith that it repenteth him he made man But in the godly he delighteth as he wrestled with Iacob and before shewed him a Lather reaching from the earth to the heavens 20. yeres shewing heavenly favour strengthned the godly Patriark after in all varieties was still with him In such Christ his delight is So in precious dum stones he speaketh the Patriarkes storie Of noble Lea be two vvarriers two seamen two statesmen Of the two handmaides each hath a warrier and a borderer vpon sea The noble Rachel hath tvvo noble state tribes Of Leah Ruben the eldest had his land vpon the enimies as bound to fight for his brethren So Symeon a warrier against Sychem vvas placed vpon Amalek gate from Amalek many townes and did Ruben from the Hagarenes Dan of Rachels handmayd gate held Leshem the towne by vvarre G●d of Leahs handmayd was in a Playn nere Ruben bordered vpon the Enemie that garrisons might warre still with him Sea-men were tvvo of Leahs Isachar and Zabulon whom Iacobs tongue placed vpon the middle sea Aser of Leahs handmaid was placed with them and Nephthaly of Rachels mayd held Tyberias sea a blessing vpon which Christ vvalked And Rachels two sonnes had noble glorie Ioseph in Iesus conquered the land his tribes had long glorie And though Rachel soone dyed for a spice of Idolatrie in travell yet Beniamin had the temple in his tribe And Levi served there in holy vvorke And noble Iudah built the temple and long held the kingdome The 12. stones answering the tribes case The tvvelve stones are fit The VVarriers red or vvith some vvarre-note the Seamens fit Iosephs most sit in clear Beryll and Beniamins in the Iasper and Levy in the Phoebean Iasper Ovid. Met. 2. and Iuda in the flaming Carbuncle Mr. Ainsvvorth his ovvne hart can best tell vvhether he knevv Moses purpose Exod. 1.1 to set all Leahs sonnes together that Dan should have Leshem or vvanted learned sight to avoyd our ttanslations errours and to follovv the lerned Rabbines deep skill herein But I am afrayd the bare narration of this vvill rather drive him to some saucy malapert raving then beate any vvit into his vnlerned head vvho yet vvill needes be geving counsell to others hovv to learne Hebrevv by impudency to hide his ignorance Of Ezech. chap. 28. vsing 9 of the 12. stones Ezechiel telleth of old Chyram king of Tyrus how in David and Salomons tyme he had the vvhole dignity of Israel in Gods people and holy tribes and leaveth out only three handmaydes as beginning of noble and still ascending taking in no handmaydes tribe but happy Asers his borderer Nepthali Dan God the three last Apoc. 21 Ezechiel of force leaveth out as not obbrading base dignities If M. Ainsworth had not Rabbines help here Aharons brest had litle hart from his lerning he may say he obscured Exodus but could not open the first verse as the Thalmud vvould profitably have taught him the right Of Badgers Badgers skin our Genevah hath for the tabernacle But the Bishops amended that into Taxus It is an ox kind beast Ezech. 20. whose leather is the best for brave shoes and not the vnclean How Mr. Ainsworth quit him self therein whether he stayned all trope of Ceremonies therin or playd the man his owne hart and his hearers will censure Of the Candlestick Hebrewes note well that all the stories in the Bible after the first six dayes of creation fall seaventh of rest in mens glorie or shame have relation to the order of creation still calling men to consider that So in Henoch Heber Isaak noble short life and holy long life short by will but long of Gods stay bare all glorie 777 in Lamech and 600 was sad in Noah 6 tymes seaven is often for to teach triall or experience So 42. yeares after the land was parted brought Chusan a full seaven yeares oppressour but in the Iubily Othoniel shewed God had his time The Candlestick had 22. bowles 11. knoppes nyne flowres the 42. devoured of two beares the 42. kild with Ochosia the 42. Mat. 1. are lernedly observed for number as not commonly cast And the Candlestick but by Iewes had never ben marked And