in steede of God WILLIAM BISHOP WHAT a worthy graue Preface he vseth to assure men that vve wil not deny S. Paul nor his Epistle to the Romans vvhich neuer were called in doubt by any man But good S ir vvhiles you muse and busie your head so much vpon bables you forget or wilfully mistake the very point of the question Was the Church of Rome at her most flourishing estate when S. Paul wrote that Epistle to the Romans was her faith then most renowmed ouer al the world as you write nothing lesse for not the tenne thousand part of that most populous Citty was then conuerted to the faith and they that had receiued the Christian faith were very nouices in it and stoode in great neede of the Apostles diuine instructions Any reasonable man would rather judge that the Church of Rome then came first to her most flourishing estate when Idolatry and al kind of superstition was put to silence and banished out of her vvhen the Christian religion was publikly preached countenanced by the Emperours authority which was not before the raigne of Constantine the great our most glorious country-man vvherefore M. Abbots first fault is that he shooteth farre vvide from the marke vvhich he should haue aimed at principally The second is more nice yet in one that would seeme so acute not to be excused It is that he taketh an Epistle written to the Romans for their instruction and correction as if it were a declaration and profession of their faith vvhen as al men know such a letter might containe many thinges vvhich they had not heard off before Further yet that you may see how nothing can passe his fingers vvithout some legerdemaine marke how he englisheth Theodorets wordes Dogmatum pertractationem The handling of opinions is by him translated al points of doctrine vvhereas it rather signifieth some then al opinions or lessons But I wil let these ouer-sights passe as flea-bitings and follow him whither he pleaseth to wāder that euery man may see when he is permitted to say what he liketh best that in truth he can alleage out of S. Paul nothing of moment against the Catholike faith S. Paul saith he is wholy against you and for vs. Quickly said but wil not be so soone proued First he condemneth the worshipping of Saints and Saints Images in that he reproueth the Heathens for changing the glory of the incorruptible God into the similitude of the Image of a corruptible man O noble disputer and wel worthy the whippe because we may not make false Gods or giue the glory of God vnto Idols may vve not therefore yeeld vnto Saints their due vvorship might not S. Paul whiles he liued as al other most Godly men be reuerenced and vvorshipped for their most excellent spiritual and religions vertues with a kinde of holy and religious respect euen as Knights and Lordes and other worldly men are vvorshipped and honoured for their temporal callings and endowments with temporal worship vvithout robbing God of his honour Is the Lord or Master dishonoured and spoiled of his due reuerence and respect if his seruants for his sake be much made off and respected yet with such due regard only as is meete for their degree This is so childish and palpable that if the Protestants were not resolued to sticke obstinately to their errours how grosse soeuer they be they vvould for very shame not once more name it To the next ROBERT ABBOT PAVL saith and we say the same that Ibid. vers 17. the righteousnesse of God is from faith to faith you say otherwise that it is from faith to workes that faith is but the entrance to workes and that in workes the righteousnesse of God doth properly consist WILLIAM BISHOP THE sentence of S. Paul is mangled his wordes are for the justice or righteousnesse of God is reuealed therein in the Gospel by faith into faith which are obscure and subject to diuers expositions The most common is that Christ the justice of God is reuealed in the Gospel by conferring the faith of them that liued before the Gospel vvith their faith that liued vnder it the faith of them who liue in the Gospel giuing great light for the cleerer vnderstanding of such thinges as were taught of Christmore darkely in the law and Prophets This being the literal sence of this place what is here for mans justification by only faith where only mention is made of Gods justice and not one vvord of the imputation of it to man but of the reuelation of it in the Gospel What a foule mistaking is this alas his pouerty of spirit and want of good armour compelleth him to lay hand on any vveapons how simple and weake soeuer In the next verse it is plainly shewed that God did grieuously punish al them vvho liued wickedly notwithstanding they held the right faith for saith S. Paul Rom. 1. v. 18. the wrath of God from heauen is reuealed vpon al impiety and vnrighteousnesse of those men that retaine or hold the truth of God in injustice Whence it followeth first that men may haue a true faith without good workes for they held the truth of God being themselues wicked Secondly that the same faith would not auaile them aught nor saue them from the just wrath of God if it were not quickned by good workes ROBERT ABBOT THE Apostle in expresse termes affirmeth Rom. 4. v. 6. imputation of righteousnesse vvithout vvorkes We doe the same but you professedly dispute against it WILLIAM BISHOP WE hold with the Apostle that vvorkes be not the cause of the first justification whereof he there treateth nor to deserue it though inspired with Gods grace they doe prepare vs and make vs fit to receiue the gift of justification neither doe the Protestants wholy exclude workes from this justification vvhen they doe require true repentance which consisteth of many good workes as necessary thereto We hold that justice is increased by good workes which we cal the second justification against which the Apostle speaketh not a vvord but doth confirme it vvhen he saith in the same Epistle Rom. 2. v. 13. Not the hearers of the law are just with God but the doers of the law shal be justified Marke how by doing of the law which is by doing good workes men are justified with God and not only declared just before men as the Protestants glose the matter Now touching See the place Rom. 4. v. 6. imputation of righteousnesse the Apostle speaketh not like a Protestant of the outward imputation of Christs justice to vs but of inherent justice to wit of faith vvhich worketh by charity which are qualities Rom. 6. powred into our harts by the holy Ghost so that there is only a bare sound of wordes for the Protestants the true substance of the Text making wholy for the Catholikes ROBERT ABBOT PAVL teacheth that Rom. 6. v. 23. Page 98. eternal life is the gift of God through IESVS
sute of diuers Bishops of the East he did solemnely summon S. Athanasius that most learned and valiant Patriarke of Alexandria to appeare at Rome before him there to answere vnto such crimes as were indeede most vvrongfully objected against him Lib. 4. hist Tripart c. 6. Nicephor lib. 9. cap. 6. thus saith the holy History The Pope following the law of the Church commanded them also to come vnto Rome and according to the rule of the Canons cited the venerable Athanasius to judgement Athanasius obediently appeared but his aduersaries knowing that their lies in that place vvould soone be discouered durst not appeare vvhereupon Athanasius was purged of those imputations Ibid. cap. 12. and restored to his Bishoprick Vnto the same Iulius not long after Athanasius being pittifully abused by the Arrians repaired the second time for aide vvhere he found diuers other Bishops of the East namely Paulus Bishop of Constantinople Marcellus Bishop of Ancony Asclopas Bishop of Gaya and Lucianus Bishop of Adrianople al Easterne Bishops and yet appealing to Iulius Pope of Rome for remedy of the wrongs done them by the Arrian Heretikes which doth most manifestly testifie that in the primitiue Church al other Bishops acknowledged the Bishop of Rome for the supreme Pastour of Christes Church vvhich also Zozomenus doth confirme shewing how Iulius restored them al Tanquam omnium curam gerens Zozom l. 3. hist. cap. 8. propter propriae sedis dignitatem As one that had care ouer them al for the dignity of his owne See And Iulius his owne wordes recorded by no meaner a man then S. Athanasius doe declare the same for blaming the Bishops of the East he saith Athanas in Apolog. 2. Why did you not write vnto vs especially you of Alexandria are you ignorant that the custome is that we should first be written vnto that from hence it might be defined what was right therefore if you haue any quarrel against any Bishop you ought to haue referred it hither to our Church c. And shortly after I signifie to you such thinges as were receiued from the blessed Apostle S. Peter c. vvhere M. Abbot may see that one of S. Peters successours of great worth and authority doth tel the Bishops of the East Church that by order set downe by S. Peter himselfe Bishops causes of al countries ought to be referred vnto the definition of the Bishop of Rome he therefore is their superiour I adde hereunto because it belongeth both vnto Pope Iulius and this present purpose of their supremacy in Ecclesiastical causes this sentence taken out of the Ecclesiastical history The Councel holden at Antioch was not good Hist Tripart lib. 4. cap. 9. for that Iulius Bishop of Rome was not there present nor sent any Legate in his place because the Ecclesiastical Canons doe command that Councels ought not to be celebrated without the sentence of the Bishop of Rome ROBERT ABBOT GELASIVS Bishop of Rome saith as we say Gelas cont Eutich Nestor That in the Saâ—rament is celebrated the Image or resemblance of the body and bloud of Christ and that there ceasseâ—h not to be the substance or nature of bread and wine But now the Romish religion maketh them Heretikes that say the Sacrament is the Image or resemblance of the body bloud of Christ and not the body and bloud of Christ it selfe or wil not beleeue that the bread and wine are substantially and really turned into the same body and bloud Albeit they beleeue with the same Gelasius that the Sacrament is a diuine thing and that thereby we are made partakers of the diuine nature euen of Christ himselfe really and substantially but yet spiritually vvith al his riches becomming ours and being eaten of vs not by our teeth into our bellies but by faith into our harts vnto life euerlasting WILLIAM BISHOP FIRST I say that M. Abbot hauing his eie-sight sore troubled with a grosse defluxion of salt rhewme taketh a Rowland for an Oliuer that is one Gelasius an vnknowne Grecian for Gelasius an African borne yet Bishop of Rome That he was not Gelasius the Bishop of Rome appeareth plainly out of that very treatise cited by M. Abbot for that Gelasius professeth to alleage the testimony of al the learned Fathers who wrote before him yet he maketh no mention of the most renowmed authours in the Latin Church as of S. Hillary S. Augustine S. Hierome and of Pope Leo al vvhich wrote before Gelasius the Bishop of Rome and were had in very great estimation by him as may be seene by his declaration of the Canonical Scriptures of the most approued fathers workes Dist 15. SaÌ„cta Romana Ecclesia Ibidem Againe that Gelasius citeth often and relieth much vpon the authority of Eusebius Bishop of Caesarea vvhereas Gelasius the Pope hath noted his vvorkes for little better then Apocryphal so that nothing is more like then that the good man hath mistaken his marke and is fallen from the successours of S. Peter and S. Paul vpon I cannot tel whom yet because he is an old writer though of what credit it be vncertaine I wil not refuse him And to the former part of his sentence that in the Sacrament there is an Image or resemblance of Christes body I answere that vve Catholikes doe say as much in effect for euery Sacrament is a visible signe of an inuisible and holy thing and so Christs body vnder the forme of bread and wine is a resemblance of his body parted from his bloud on the Crosse and the body of Christ vnder the formes of bread and vvine as it is in the Sacrament is a picture also or resemblance of the vnion of his mistical body in faith and charity euen as the bread is made of many graines of corne and the vvine pressed out of many clusters of grapes The later part of his sentence may also haue a good meaning and stand wel with our doctrine for the nature of bread doth not wholy ceasse to be in the blessed Sacrament because the forme sauour and tast of bread which be natural qualities thereof doe stil remaine though the whole inward substance be turned into the body of Christ which that Gelasius doth in the same place signifie when he there saith The same bread to be changed into the diuine substance that is into the substance of Christ by the operation of the holy Ghost whereby the receiuers are made partakers of the diuine nature And M. Abbots glosse vpon these later wordes is very extrauagant for we cannot in property of speech be said to be partakers of Christs nature really by being made partakers of his riches for it is one thing to be partaker of a mans nature really another farre different to be partaker of his goodes and benefits And as for the receiuing of Christ spiritually by faith that may be done vvithout receiuing any Sacrament at al but Gelasius either speaketh of receiuing Christ in the
shal speake more at large presently This therefore may suffice to satisfie any indifferent reader how the first Christian Emperours were Presidents at Councels that is as may be gathered out of their owne wordes first to honour that assembly with their presence then to see that al things there be peacibly and orderly handled thirdly to learne the true Catholike faith by the definitions of those learned Bishops there assembled fourthly to recommend the same to al their faithful subjects and lastly to defend it against al obstinate Heretikes Al vvhich put together doth not come neare any probable proofe that they are supreme gouernours in Ecclesiastical matters but rather that they are in them to be gouerned For they neither argue determine nor define them but only doe receiue approue and defend them being before decided and defined by the Fathers assembled in the Councel by the Bishop of Rome Indeede Constantius an Arrian Emperour vvas perswaded by the Arrians to take vpon him the supreme judgement in Ecclesiastical causes but he vvas very sharply reprehended therefore by that most valiant champion of Christs Church Athanasius Patriarke of Alexandria If saith he the judgement of these matters belong to Bishops In Epist ad Solitar vitam agentes what hath the Emperour to entermeddle with them vvhere he relateth what that blessed Father Hosius vvho was Pope Siluesters chiefe Legate in the first Councel of Nice spoke of that vsurpation of Constantius Who saith he seing the Emperour Ibidem prope finem in decreeing to make himselfe Prince of the Bishops and President ouer their Ecclesiastical judgements may not worthily affirme him to be that abhomination of desolation which is foretold of Daniel In a word then the Protestants treading in the steps of the condemned Arrians vvould haue the lay Magistrates such Presidēts of Councels as haue supreme authority ouer the Bishops judgements vvhich we Roman Catholikes with the consent of al ancient and holy both Bishops and Emperours doe thinke to be very preposterous incommodious and intollerable Now to that trash vvhich M. Abbot chops in by the way by broken and halfe sentences the same Leo saith he professeth his obedience to the Emperours appointment and wil to Theodosius and Martianus for proofe he quoteth Leo vvhere we may gather that a false marchants fingers are to be looked vnto For in the first place there is expresse signification of S. Leo Epist 16. 17. not fulfilling the Emperour Theodosius request vvhich was to haue him present at the second Councel of Ephesus and there was no reason for it these be his owne wordes Albeit no reason doth permit me Epistola Leon. 16. t◠meete at the Episcopal Councel appointed by your piety because I haue no president for it by the example of any of my predecessours and the necessity of the time wil not suffer me to leaue the citty c. yet so farre forth as our Lord wil vouchsafe to helpe I haue applied my endeauour that the decree of your clemency may in some sort be obeied by sending hence some of my brethren who shal supply my place c. Doe you see what profession of obedience S. Leo made to the Emperour Theodosius vvhom he telleth plainly that no reason vvil permit him to obey his appointment and vvil Is not this trow you honest dealing deserues not this man to be wel credited vvhen he citeth the Fathers vvhen as he blusheth not to alleage them and to quote the place distinctly vvhich if you wil but turne vnto you shal finde him to be a man that hath a seared conscience and cares not what he saith so he may deceiue his simple reader Now to the second place there indeede S. Leo hath that the Emperours piety and most religious wil Epistola 57. is to be obeied by al meanes but he doth not make profession of his owne obedience to the Emperour but speaketh indefinitely obediendum est and that not to his appointment and wil as M. Abbot fableth but vnto his Godly and most religious wil that is vvhen he commandeth or desireth any thing according vnto the wil of God Now if you wil but looke into the circumstances of this obedience you shal yet further discouer the deceit of M. Abbot for the Emperour Martianus did write vnto Pope Leo that he would confirme the Councel of Chalcedon with his owne sentence vvhich was before subsigned by his Legates present thereat and that in the first place the Emperour being perswaded as it is set downe in the same Epistle that the Councel should haue greater force to suppresse al Heretikes if it might be taught throughout al Churches that the definition there of did please the See Apostolike Here you may see that the Emperour demanded no obedience of S. Leo but shewed himselfe to haue so great opinion of his judgement authority that it would greatly countenance and commend that general Councel which vvas by al the Bishops and the Emperour himselfe before subsigned A reasonable man can desire no more to proue S. Leo his supremacy in Ecclesiastical causes then the testimony of this godly Emperour Martianus Tom. 1. Concil in Prolog Concil Chal. epist 1. Martian ad Leo. For first he acknowledgeth him to hold the principality among al Bishops Secondly he acknowledgeth him to be the authour of calling general Councels these two points haue beene before rehearsed Thirdly he promiseth S. Leo to assemble the Bishops of the East that they might declare those thinges that be agreable vnto the Catholike faith and Christian religion euen as your Holinesse hath according vnto the Ecclesiastical Canons defined Ibid. epist 2. Sicut sanctitas tua secundum Ecclesiastic as regulas definiuit And lastly al thinges being so defined he doth send vnto S. Leo to confirme the general Councel Doth not this acknowledgement of the Emperour that the Pope is the authour of calling general Councels that he is to direct and instruct them assembled what they are to define and lastly to confirme and ratifie that which is defined euidently proue that the supreme managing and authorising of the highest Ecclesiastical affaires doe belong vnto the Bishop of Rome Now to returne to M. Abbot he shewes the like wordes of Pope Agatho his due obedience to Constantius the fourth I finde no such wordes in that place quoted by him true it is that I haue not his whole letter but the abridgment of it as is standes in the Summe of the Councels Epist Agath ad Constant in Synod 6. art 4. where he thus beginneth That we may briefly intimate to your piety what the vigour of our Apostolike faith doth containe which we haue receiued by tradition from the Apostles Apostolike Bishops and holy Councels by which the foundations of the Catholike Church of Christ are fastned and fortified c. Out of which wordes we may gather that Pope Agatho was ready to satisfie the Emperours request in certifying and instructing him vvhat
in the same place Doth not this to omit much more of the same kinde conuince and demonstrate vnto al vnpassionate Christians of any vnderstanding that the poore miserable Protestants be exceeding blindly bent vnto the defence of their errors who seing them most plainly condemned by the best and most learned of the primitiue Church and pure antiquity to which they would sometime in great confidence seeme to appeale had notwithstanding rather consort themselues and follow very base vnlearned and wretched Heretikes and with them to band against the inuincible troupes of the ancient holy Fathers and most renowmed Doctors wil it any whit auaile them to say that those men of condemned memory did in their opinions better agree with the word of God and therefore are to be preferred before the rest though otherwise better schollers then they surely nothing at al with the juditious because this is but a scar-crow to amate the simple For whether were more like to vnderstand better the sacred word of God either Augustine Hierome Epiphanius Chrysostome and such others who indued with excellent wits and wel furnished with al other kinde of learning had most diligently studied both the old and new Testament as by their translations and most learned Commentaries and explications they haue testified to the â—orld or Aërius Vigilantius or Iouinian who haue not left any one monument of learning wit or honesty behinde them and Iouinian reputed of those three the most sufficient was so insufficient and vnlettered that he could not so much as indite in the Latin tongue congruously and so as he might be vnderstood Hieron lib. 1. cont Iouin in initio as S. Hierome proueth To finish this point seing that M. Abbot doth not only misapply the auncient Doctors sentences but doth also misconster corrupt and falsifie them yea doth plainly and roundly deny their graue and sacred authority preferring the confessed and condemned errours of notorious reproued Heretikes before their vniforme and approued doctrine they must needes confesse themselues to haue beene a little deceiued who tooke him to haue beaten the Papists with their owne weapons that is to haue brought better testimony out of pure antiquity in fauour of the Protestants opinions then the Catholikes doe for theirs whereas in truth he handleth those sacred Fathers euen as Caluin reporteth the Libertine to deale with the holy Scriptures In instruct aduers Libert cap. 9. These loose men saith he vvhen vve presse them with the Scriptures doe not much dissemble that they esteeme no better of them then of fables notwithstanding they in the meane season doe not let to vse them if they finde any place that they can wrest vnto their owne meaning not that they themselues doe giue any credit to it but only that they may thereby trouble the vnlearned and so daunt and stagger them that they may at length the more easily draw them to like of their errors thus farre Caluin Euen so plaieth M. Abbot with the glorious Doctors of the Church whom how little he regardeth doth appeare by his often abusing their wordes by his resisting their authority and setting lesse by them then by ignorant obscure and abject persons yet knowing that al sober Christians doe highly esteeme and make great account of their graue authority as of the principal lights of Christs Church since the Apostles times they doe greedily catch hold of any broken sentence of theirs that doth any way sound in fauour of their heresie not that they themselues giue any credit thereunto but to astonish and deceiue the simple reader and thereby to perswade him to like the better of their errours Thus much in general of the abuses which M. Abbot offereth vnto the ancient Fathers But doth be behaue himselfe more reuerently towardes the holy Scriptures and sacred word of God one example I wil giue here by which you may take a scantling of the rest and not to seeke farre it shal be the very first in his booke these be his wordes Page 6. This is the thing that M. Bishop labours for seeking vvith Act. 13. v. 8. Elimas the Sorcerer to peruert the straight vvaies of the Lord and vvhereas his Majesty hath made profession to aduance the honour of Christ he vvould in steede thereof drawe him to aduance the Idol Dan. 11. vers 38. 2. Mauzzin the God of Antichrist and to establish damnable heresies by him priuily brought in vvhereby his agents and factors through Pet. 2. vers 1. 3. couetousnesse with fained wordes doe make marchandize of the soules of men speaking thinges which they ought not for filthy Tit. 1. vers 11. lucres sake Here you see his text enriched and his margent garnished with a gay shew of Gods word and yet here is not one whole sentence of holy Scripture to any purpose but diuers wordes picked out of sundry places and by the new Euangelist M. Abbot made a new peece of vn-holy scripture which prety deuise if it should passe for currant any hadde matter might be graced with the glosse of Scripture so that the first fault committed by M. Abbot herein is the dismembring of Gods word and renting of it in peeces at his pleasure with which peeces afterwardes odly and idly patched together he maketh vp as it were a poore beggers cloke rather then any testimony of Scripture Secondly the wordes hang togither very vntowardly one of them not agreing with the other for if his Majesty should be perswaded to aduance the Idol Mauzzin the God of Antichrist he could not establish heresies priuily brought in for that false God wil wholy oppose himselfe against Christ and not suffer any other God besides himselfe to be adored so that he wil not establish heresies which are errours defended by them which professe Christ and doe adore the true God neither wil be priuily bring in beâ—esies but openly professe Idolatry and compel al others to doe the same Thirdly these wordes are most falsly and fondly applied to vs Roman Catholike Priests for first that false God of Antichrist shal not be aduanced by the Romans but fought against and foiled by them as it is cleare in the very text Dan. 11. vers 30. The Gallies and Romans shal come vpon him and he shal be strooken and turned backe And lastly how il aduised was M. Abbot to charge poore seminary Priests with couetousnesse and speaking of thinges which they ought not for filthy lucres sake whereas it is manifest vnto al men women and children almost that they who become such Priests are so farre off from seeking after any temporal gaine thereby that they doe willingly forgoe al hope of benefices and al other whatsoeuer commodities and dignities in their country which they might perhaps aswel attaine vnto as some others if they would follow the current of the time Yea they doe also debarre themselues of landes legacies annuities and al other profits and commodities whatsoeuer which might accrew vnto them
of their Church Wherevpon if you demand of a French Catholike of what Church he is his answere wil be that he is of the Catholike Roman Church where he addeth Roman to distinguish himselfe from al Sectaries vvho doe cal themselues somtimes Catholikes though most absurdly and to specifie that he is such a Catholike as doth wholy joine with the Roman Church in faith and religion Euen as the vvord Catholike was linked at first vvith Christian to distinguish a true Christian beleeuer from an Heretike according to that of Pacianus an ancient Authour Epistola ad Simphorian Christian is my name Catholike is my surname so now a daies the Epitheton Roman is added vnto Catholike to separate those Catholikes that joine with the Church of Rome in faith from other sectaries who doe sometimes cal themselues also Catholikes though very ridiculously because they be diuided in faith from the greatest part of the vniuersal world Out of the premises may be gathered that the Roman Church may wel signifie any Church that holdeth and maintaineth the same faith which the Roman doth whence it followeth that M. Abbot either dealt doubly vvhen he said the Roman Church to be a particular Church or else he must confesse himselfe to be one of those Doctors vvhom the Apostle noteth 1. Tim. 1. vers 7. For not vnderstanding what they speake nor of what they affirme Now to this his second sophistication The Roman Church by our rule is the head and al other Churches are members to it but the Catholike comprehendeth al ergo to say the Roman Church is the Catholike is to say the head is the whole body Here is first a mishapen argument by vvhich one may proue or disproue any thing for example I wil proue by the like that the Church of England is not Catholike thus The Church of England by their crooked rule is a member of the Catholike Church but the Catholike Church comprehendeth al where fore to say the English Church is the Catholike Church is to say a member is the whole body Besides the counterfait fashion of the argument there is a great fallacy in it for to omit Fallacia accidentis that vve say not the Church of Rome but the Bishop of Rome to be the head of the Church it is a foule fault in arguing as al Logitians doe vnderstand when one thing is said to be another by a metaphore to attribute al the properties of the metaphore to the other thing For example Christ our Sauiour is metaphorically said to be a Lion Apocal. 5. vers 5. Vicit Leo de tribu Iuda now if there hence any man would inferre that a Lion hath foure legges and is no reasonable creature ergo Christ hath as many or is not indued with reason he might himselfe therefore be wel taken for an vnreasonable and blasphemous creature Euen so must M. Abbot be vvho shifteth from that propriety of the metaphore bead which was to purpose vnto others that are cleane besides the purpose For as Christ vvas called a Lion for his inuincible fortitude so the Bishop of Rome is called the head of the Church for his authority to direct and gouerne the same but to take any other propriety of either Lion or Head when they be vsed metaphorically and to argue out of that is plainly to play the sophister Wherefore to conclude this passage M. Abbot hath greatly discouered his insufficiency in arguing by propounding argumēts that offend and be very vitious both in matter and forme and that so palpably that if young Logitians should stand vpon such in the paruies they would be hissed out of the schooles it must needes be then an exceeding great shame for a Diuine to vse them to deceiue good Christian people in matter of saluation And if after so great vaunts of giuing ful satisfaction to the reader and of stopping his aduersaries mouth that he should not haue a word to reply he be not ashamed to put such bables as these into print he cannot choose but make himselfe a mocking-stocke to the world surely his writinges are more meete to stoppe mustard-pots if I mistake not much then like to stoppe any meane schollers mouth ROBERT ABBOT IT is therefore a meere vsurpation whereby the Papists cal the Roman Church the Catholike and the very same that the Donatists of old did vse Aug. Ep. 48. They held the Catholike Church to beat Cartenna in Africa and the Papists hold it to be at Rome in Italy they would haue the Church to be called Catholike Ibid. breu collat 2. cap. dici 3. not by reason of the communion and society thereof through the whole world but by reason of the perfection of doctrine and sacraments which they falsly challenged to themselues the same perfection the Church of Rome now arrogateth to it selfe and wil therefore be called the Catholike Church Cōt Crescon grammat lib. 2. cap. 37. Epist 48. From Cartenna the Donatists ordained Bishops to other countries euen to Rome it selfe And from Rome by the Papists order must Bishops be authorised to al other churches They vvould be taken to be Catholikes for keeping communion with the Church of Cartenna and so the Papists vvil be counted Catholikes for keeping communion with the Church of Rome They held Ibidem that howsoeuer a man beleeued he could not be saued vnlesse he did communicate with the Church of Cartenna And the Papists hold that there is no saluation likewise but in communicating vvith the Church of Rome The Donatists vvere not so absurd in the one but the Papists are as absurd and ridiculous in the other WILLIAM BISHOP IN the former passage M. Abbot bestowed an argument or two raked out of the rotten rubbish of those walles to vse some of his owne wordes vvhich vvere before broken downe by men of our side Now he commeth to his owne fresh inuention as I take it for it is a fardle of such beggarly base stuffe and so ful of falshood and childish follies that any other man I vveene vvould not for very shame haue let it passe to the print It consisteth in a comparison and great resemblance that is betweene the old doating Donatists and the new presumptuous Papists if M. Abbot dreame not The Donatists saith he held the Catholike Church to be at Cartenna and the Papists doe hold it to be at Rome in Italy False on both sides because we doe not hold it to be so at Rome as they did at Cartenna for we hold it to be so at Rome as it is besides also dispersed al the world ouer they that it vvas wholy included vvithin the straight boundes of Cartenna in Mauritania and her confines so that whosoeuer was conuerted in any other country must goe thither to be purged from their sinnes as S. Augustine testifieth in expresse tearmes Epistola 48. in the very place by M. Abbot alleaged False also in the principal point that the
and to the publike tranquillity of the common vveale Now let the indifferent reader consider vvhether there be any one word in this supposed letter that carrieth meate in mouth as they say to feede the Protestants faith so that here is an ancient and reuerend Fathers letter cited to no purpose But M. Abbot saith that now a-daies not the King but the Pope is Gods Vicar and his Vicar general for al Kingdomes True it is the Pope is Gods Vicar in al Christian Kingdomes Sext. proem in glossa though there be not one vvord of any such matter in the glosse cited by him but that is in Ecclesiastical matters vvhich nothing hindereth but that the King is also Gods Vicar in temporal affaires for he may be called a Vicar that doth Vicem gerere alterius that is another mans Deputy Lieutenant or Substitute One King may haue many Vicars that is substitutes or deputies to whom he committeth some principal charge King Henry the eight for example hauing giuen him by the Parliament supreme power in both Ecclesiastical and Temporal causes had one Vicar for spiritual causes and many other for the temporal so God hath the Bishop of Rome for Christes Vicar general in causes of the Church and Kinges in the administration of the common vveale And the very Canon cited by M. Abbot would haue taught him so much if he had read it vvith a minde to learne the truth rather then to sucke out some matter of cauil out of it Distinct 96. Si Imperator for therein be these wordes The Emperour hath the priuiledges of his power which he obtained of God for the administration of publike lawes Marke here the Pope acknowledgeth the Emperour to be Gods Deputy and Vicar in the administration of the common lawes vvhich in the Canon that goeth next before is confirmed for there Gelasius an ancient Pope speaketh thus to Anastatius the Emperour Ibidem duo sunt There be two thinges ô Sacred Emperour wherewith this world is principally gouerned to wit the holy authority of Bishops and the power of Princes These two then be both Gods Substitutes and Vicars the one for spiritual causes the other for temporal wherefore M. Abbot reasoneth very childishly vvhen he goeth about to proue that we deny the King to be Gods Vicar because we teach the Pope to be Gods Vicar for vve hold that they both be Gods Vicars though in distinct and different matters Neither lastly can he take any aduantage of the word gouerne if it be in that letter for King Lucius demand was for the Imperial lawes to gouerne the temporal state of his realme vvherefore it is euident that he spake there of temporal gouernement and not of spiritual Now because the maine question is whether Kings haue authority ouer Bishops in Ecclesiastical causes or Bishops ouer Kinges let vs heare some two or three of S. Peter and S. Paules Successours M. Abbots owne vvitnesses deliuer their knowledge thereof The first shal be the same learned and holy Pope Gelasius last named he affirmeth in the same Epistle vvhich vvas written to the Emperour himselfe that the authority of Bishops in spiritual causes doth extend it selfe ouer Kinges and Emperours these be his vvordes Distinct 96. Duo sunt Thou knowest ô Emperour thy selfe to depend on their judgements and that they cannot be reduced to thy wil and pleasure therefore many Bishops fortified with these ordinances and with this authority supported haue excommunicated some Kinges others Emperours And if a particular example be demanded of the persons of Princes blessed Innocentius the Pope did excommunicate the Emperour Archadius for consenting vnto the deposition of S. Iohn Chrisostome And blessed S. Ambrose though a holy Bishop yet not Bishop of the vniuersal Church for a fault that to others did not seeme so grieuous excommunicating Theodosius the great did shut him out of the Church c. Is not this plaine enough and directly to the purpose that Bishops haue power ouer Princes in Ecclesiastical causes and the authority of Gelasius is of such vvaight with M. Abbot shortly after that here he cannot gaine-say it vvith any honesty I vvil joine to him Anacletus vvhom M. Abbot also noteth the next who succeeded immediately after Clement S. Peters Scholler he saith expresly Epistola 1. prope finem That the Church of Rome receiued by our Sauiour Christes order the primacy and preeminence of power ouer al Churches and ouer the whole flocke of Christian people If then M. Abbot vvil allow that Kinges be any of Christes people the Pope hath authority ouer them S. Clement himselfe one of S. Paules Philip. 4. v. 3. coadjutors and whose name is in the booke of life hath left this vvritten among the constitutions of the Apostles Lib. 2. c. 11. Wherefore ô Bishop endeauour to excel in sanctity of workes knowing thy place and dignity thou art Gods Lieutenant and placed ouer al Lordes Priests Kinges and Princes Fathers Sonnes Masters and al Subjects joined together Ibid. cap. 33. And in the same booke touching by the vvay the dignity of Bishops repeateth these memorable wordes out of holy Scripture spoken to Moyses as a King Bishop Exod. 7. v. 1. Ecce constitui to Deum Pharaonis Behold I haue created thee the God of Pharao vvho was King of the land of Aegipt vvhere both Moyses and al the children of Israel then liued see the dignity of a Bishop aboue his owne King And the 38. chapter of the same booke of Clement is formally intituled That Priests are more excellent then Kinges and Princes And finally that the gouernement of the whole Church was committed to Bishops that vessel of election S. Paul is a sufficient witnesse vvho saith Act. 20. v. 28. Take heede to your selues and to the whole flocke wherein the holy Ghost hath placed you Bishops to rule the Church of God which he hath purchased with his owne bloud If then M. Abbot wil allow that Kinges be any of Christs flocke and that he purchased them with his bloud they are to be ruled by Bishops who are placed by the holy Ghost to rule the whol◠flocke of Gods Church Hitherto comparing the Bishop of Rome with temporal Princes I haue proued the prerogatiue of Ecclesiastical gouernement to appertaine to the Bishops Now a word or two of the preeminence of the Church and See of Rome ouer al other Churches vvhich shal be briefly verified euen by the testimony of some of the most ancient and most holy successours of S. Peter and S. Paul to whom M. Abbot attributes so much The afore named Anacletus who succeeded next after their owne Disciple S. Clement hauing shewed that al Ecclesiastical causes belong to Bishops euen as temporal causes doe to the temporal Magistrate Epistola 1. ad omnes Ecclesias addeth that if more difficult questions shal arise as the judgements of Bishops and greater causes let them if any appeale be made
be referred vnto the See Apostolike Because the Apostles by the commandement of our Sauiour haue ordained that questions of greater difficulty shal alwaies be referred vnto the Apostolike See vpon which Christ built the whole Church saying vnto blessed Peter the Prince of the Apostles thou art Peter vpon this rocke wil I build my Church c. Anacletus his immediate successor Euaristus Pope Martir writing vnto the Bishops of Africke Epistola 1. ad Eccles Africanam speaketh thus Truly your charity following the rule of the wise hath chosen rather to referre vnto the See Apostolike as to the head what ought to be obserued in doubtful matters then to presume your selues by vsurpation and writing to the brethren in Aegipt Epistola 2. doth command certaine Bishops whom he resembleth to adulterers because they had intruded into other Bishops Citties to be cast out of those places and to be made infamous and depriued of al Ecclesiastical honours adjoining That if after these thinges so dispatched they should haue further complaint against them that matter were to be enquired out and to be determined by the authority of this holy See Note how these holy Popes that vvere so nigh vnto the Apostles taught it to belong vnto the See of Rome to determine of the causes of the Bishops of Afrike and Aegipt most remote from them And because the Apostle S. Paul willeth 2. Cor. 13. vers 2. euery word to stand in the mouth of two or three witnesses I vvil take for the third Alexander the first Pope and Martir who succeeded vnto Euaristus he is as plaine and formal in this cause as any of the rest these be his wordes Epist 1. omnibus orthodoxis It is related vnto the primacy of this holy and Apâ—stolike See vnto which the disposition of the highest cases and the affaires of al Churches are by our Lord committed as to the head c. and a little after Our Lord here appointed this holy See the head of the whole Church I omit here the verdict of al others herein because this very matter must be spoken off hereafter againe and againe these three most ancient graue and Godly Martirs al successours of S. Peter and S. Paul vpon whose authority M. Abbot here only insisteth vvil suffice to certifie the indifferent reader that euen from the Apostles daies the Bishop of Rome hath beene taken for supreme judge in al Ecclesiastical causes aswel in the East as West Church To finish this passage thou maist gentle reader by this little see what shamelesse shifts M. Abbot is forced to vse to make any coulourable shew out of antiquity for the lay Magistrates superiority in spiritual causes He is first driuen to cite an vnlearned an vnlikely and an Apocriphal letter of 1400. yeares old vpon the credit of men of our owne age and those most partial too on his owne side the letter bearing date also many yeares after the death of him that is supposed to be the authour of it and when al is done in the same vvorshipful letter there is not one pregnant proofe for any part of their doctrine lastly that his owne chosen witnesses doe deliuer vp most cleare euidence against himselfe he therefore that vvil giue judgement on his side must needes shew himselfe exceeding partial ROBERT ABBOT ANACLETVS Bishop of Rome Dist 1. Episcopus 2. peracta and after him Calixtus ordained that consecration being done al should communicate or else be excommunicated For so say they the Apostles did set downe and the holy Church of Rome obserueth But the Church of Rome that now is maketh it lawful for the Priest to receiue alone the people in the meane time standing gazing and looking on and the fight only must suffice them WILLIAM BISHOP HERE is nothing in manner worth the answering only the cosening deceitfulnesse of the man is to be displaied First Anacletus hath only De consecrat dist 1. Can. Episcopus that Deacons Subdeacons and other Ministers that in solemne feasts attend in holy vestiments vpon the Bishop whiles he doth sacrifice vnto God should in the same solemne feasts communicate or else be debarred of their Ecclesiastical places where is not one word of the lay peoples communicating And therefore that Canon is wholy besides the purpose sauing that it doth teach that then Bishops vsed to offer sacrifice vnto God and that the Clarkes did in holy vestiments serue them at Masse See the Canon and vvonder at the folly of the man In like manner doth the second Canon of Calixtus speake of Ecclesiastical persons that serue at Masse for so saith the Collector De consecrat dist 2. Can. peracta Ecclesiasticis liminibus careat Minister Let the Minister or he that serueth want Ecclesiastical place With which agreeth the glosse vpon the same Canon vvhich also is euident by the very Text for the punishment set downe is Ecclesiasticis carere liminibus To be shut out of the Ecclesiastical mens seates and places vvhich vvere no punishment to a lay man that was not before admitted into any such roome And as it may be seene in the said distinction Cap. Etsi non frequentius De consecrat dist 1. and Cap. Secularis Lay men were commanded about those times to communicate but thrife in the yeare at Easter Whitsontide and Christmasse Briefly here is nothing against the moderne practise of the Church of Rome for both they that solemnely serue at Masse on festiual daies doe receiue and no lay man is denied to communicate on any day either on those feasts or at any time else vvhen he vvil prepare himselfe thereto But to debarre Priests from seruing God in that most high degree be their deuotion and preparation neuer so good vntil they can get some company of the laity to communicate with them is without just cause to robbe God of his soueraigne honour to extinguish the working of his holy spirit in deuout soules and to defraude the whole flocke of the benefit of many most holy and effectual praiers not only of the Priests but also of the people vvho doe not with vs stand gazing on at the time of communion as M. Abbot prophanely conceiteth but humbly kneeling doe then pray most deuoutly and doe in spirit and desire communicate also Briefly there is not one sillable in those Canons sounding to the Protestant sence that Priests should not coÌ„municate if the Clarke or people joine not vvith them but only that the indeuout and slugglish Clarkes should be depriued of their places if vpon high feasts they did neglect to communicate with the Bishop or Pastor ROBERT ABBOT IVLIVS the Bishop of Rome disallowed intinctam Eucharistiam De consecrat 2. cum omne the dipping of the Eucharist the Sacrament of Christs body in the cuppe Because no witnesse thereof was brought out of the Gospel but there is mentioned the commending of the bread by it selfe and the cuppe by it selfe but
Sacrament or else M. Abbot doth fondly alleage his wordes against the real presence wherefore his later paraphrase is a meere trifle and a vaine shift See more of this man and matter in the question of the real presence Let vs proceede ROBERT ABBOT De consecrat dist 2. comperimus THE same Gelasius when he vnderstood that some receiuing only the portion of the sacred body of Christ did forbeare the cuppe of his sacred bloud did forbidde that superstition and willed that either they should receiue the Sacrament whole or be kept from the whole because the diuiding of one and the same mistery cannot come without great sacriledge But now the Church of Rome is so farre off from acknowledging the diuiding of that mistery to be sacriledge as that shee pretendeth to be moued with just causes reasons Concil Trid. Sess 5. Can. 2. such as Christ and his Apostles and the primitiue Church had neuer the vvit to consider off to administer the Sacrament to the people only in one kinde and pronounceth them accursed that say shee erreth in so doing WILLIAM BISHOP NOW we come to Gelasius the Pope indeede and by his very phrase related by M. Abbot you may plainely perceiue that he beleeued firmely the sacred body of Christ and his pretious bloud to be really present in the blessed Sacrament for thus he speaketh We haue found that certaine men hauing receiued the portion of the sacred body doe abstaine from the Chalice of the sacred bloud Neither doe his wordes fit M. Abbots turne for the peoples receiuing vnder one kinde for he speaketh of Priests that doe consecrate both together vvho therefore must receiue both together that he may be partaker of the sacrifice which he himselfe hath offered For as it is said in the Canon next before De consecrat dist 2. relatum est Quale erit illud sacrificium cui nec ipse sacrificans particeps esse dignoscitur what kinde of sacrifice is that whereof he that sacrificeth doth not participate Wherefore it is by al meanes to be obserued that how often the Priest doth sacrifice the body and bloud of our Lord IESVS Christ vpon the Altar so often he exhibite himselfe a partaker of the body bloud of our Lord Iesus Christ. These wordes taken out of the Councel of Toledo goe immediately before those wordes which M. Abbot citeth and doe euidently shew that they are to be vnderstood of the Priest only that consecrateth the Sacrament as also the very title would haue told M. Abbot if he had beene disposed to take them right It is that the Priest ought not to receiue the body of Christ without his bloud So that here is not a vvord against the giuing the blessed body of Christ alone to the people But M. Abbot is forced like an euil Apothecary to take quid pro quo as they say one thing for another or else he should not be able to furnish his poore erring customers vvith any sort of pleasing drugges to feede their corrupt tast and grosse humours He doth by a parenthesis enterlace That Christ nor his Apostles nor the primitiue Church had euer the wit to consider any just cause of giuing the Sacrament in one kinde to the people vvhich is spoken too too like a blasphemer to touch our Sauiour Christ Iesus with lacke of vvit skil or due consideration who as diuers ancient Doctors doe testifie ministred the blessed Sacrament himselfe to two of his Disciples at Emaus vnder one only kinde of bread Luc. 24. vers 30. He tooke bread and blessed and brake and did reach it to them and their eies were opened and they knew him and he vanished out of their sight vvhere the circumstances August lib. 3. De consensu Euang. c. 25. Epist 59. ad Paul q. 8. Hier. in Epitaph Paulae of blessing breaking and giuing bread as he did at his last supper and the maruailous operation of it doe very probably proue it to haue beene the blessed Sacrament after which giuen in one kinde IESVS vanished out of their sight * Isichius lib. 2. in cap. 9. Beda in Theophil in eâ—m locum Lucae Opus imperfectuÌ„ in Mat. homil 17. In the Apostles time also very vsually the Sacrament vvas administred in one kinde They were perseuering in the doctrine of the Apostles and in communication of the breaking of bread and praiers vvhere breaking of bread being joined with preaching and praier doth conuince it to be spoken of the blessed SacrameÌ„t Againe saith S. Luke In the first of Sabaoth when we were assembled to breake bread Paul disputed with them c. This assembly vpon a Sonday furnished with S. Paules sermon must needes be to be made for the receiuing of the blessed Sacrament as a August Epist 86. Beda in illum locum S. Augustine and venerable Bede doe testifie In al which places following the expresse letter of the Scripture and the interpretation of many holy Fathers we haue warrant for the administration of the Sacrament to the people vnder one only kinde they then I hope vvanted not wit to know a cause of giuing the Sacrament in one kinde Lastly that in the primitiue Church the Sacrament was receiued vnder one kinde is most manifest by the testimony of b Tertull. lib. 2. ad Vxorâ—m Cyprian sermone de lapsis Ambros de obitu Satyri Tertullian S. Cyprian S. Ambrose and many others who declare how the Christians in those times of persecution carried to the sicke and reserued in their owne houses the blessed Sacrament viz. vnder the forme of bread to receiue it when they were in danger of torments or death for their more comfort and strengthning against those assaults Thus much by the way of administring the Sacrament vnder one kinde vnto the laity out of the practise of the primitiue Church the Apostles and our Sauiour himselfe in answere vnto M. Abbots parenthesis Now ere I take my leaue of this holy and most reuerend Pope Gelasius I vvil note briefly some branches of the Catholike faith which he doth formally deliuer to counterpoise those friuoulous objections vvhich M. Abbot haleth in obtorto collo as the Latin phrase is by the heeles out of his writinges First I haue declared out of him already Epist. ad Anast Imperat. In Epist ad Episcopos Daâ—daniae how that Bishops haue power and authority ouer Kinges and Emperours in Ecclesiastical causes so farre forth as to excommunicate them when vrgent cause so requireth He saith further That the Canons of the Church doe ordaine that from any part of the world appeale may be made to the See of Rome and that from it no man is suffered to appeale Againe That euery Church in the world doth know that the See of blessed Peter the Apostle hath right and power to loose and vnbinde that which is bound by the sentences of what Bishop soeuer as that See which hath lawful authority to judge
beene supreme gouernour of Christes Church To vvhich fallacy it is most easie to answere First that albeit the Patriarke of Constantinople could not so cal himselfe in a lawful good meaning but proudly and wickedly because he had his jurisdiction limited vvithin the boundes of his owne Patriarkship had nothing to doe with any other churches that vvere vvithout it so that his power was in no sence vniuersal that is spred ouer al the world yet this name might in some good sence notwithstāding haue beene giuen vnto the Bishop of Rome as S. Gregory himselfe in one of the same Epistles vvhich M. Abbot citeth doth intimate For vvriting to the Patriarke of Alexandria he saith Lib. 4. Epist 36. Your Holinesse knoweth that by the Councel of Chalcedon vvhich vvas one of the foure first general Councels most highly esteemed off by S. Gregory this name of vniuersallity was offered to me as Bishop of the Apostolike See for as he testifieth Epist 32. of the same booke that name was in honour of S. Peter Prince of the Apostles attributed by many in that Councel vnto the Bishop of Rome yet saith he none of my Predecessours consented to vse it because verily if one Patriarke be called vniuersal the other are made no Patriarkes at al. Briefly then to dispatch this great matter that name vniuersal as it was challenged by Iohn Patriarke of Constantinople who had no right to it in any good sence was presumptuous peruerse and prophane in vvhich consideration S. Gregory so tearmed it Neither vvould he nor any of his predecessours vse that name though in that sence that they had charge and command ouer the vniuersal Church it might haue beene attributed to them yet because it was subject to another construction to wit that the Bishop of Rome was the only truly proper Bishop of euery Diocesse and other named Bishops were not true and proper Bishops there of but the vniuersal Bishops Vicars Suffraganes and Substitutes therefore they vtterly auoided that name as matter of jealousie and scandal choosing the humble stile of seruus seruorum Dei The seruant of Gods seruants For the further satisfaction of the learned reader I wil proue out of S. Gregory in the very same place quoted by M. Abbot both that he wrote against the name of vniuersal Bishop in the later sence And that notwithstanding he refused that name yet that he acknowledged and taught the Bishop of Rome to haue supreme authority ouer al the Church of Christ Touching the first the wordes before alleaged out of his 36. Epistle Lib. 4. Epist 36. doe demonstrate so much to wit If one Patriarke be called vniuersal the other are made no Patriarkes at al vvhich can haue no other sence then that the calling of one Patriarke or Bishop Vniuersal doth signifie him so to be a Bishop in euery place that no other besides him can be truly and properly called Bishop but must be his Vicar and Subdelegate The like saith he in his 34. Epistle to the Emperesse Lib. 4. Epist 34. That his brother and fellow Bishop Iohn striued to be called Bishop alone And in the 7. booke and 69. Epistle to Eusebius he saith Si vniuersalis est restat vt vos Episcopi non sitis If one Bishop be vniuersal it remaineth that you be no Bishops This then is most certaine that S. Gregory spake against the name of Vniuersal Bishop taken in this sence that he was so a Bishop as no other but he could be Bishop in any place Marry if we vnderstand by it one man to haue the general charge of al the Churches in the vvorld yet so as there be also Bishops and Archbishops his brothers who haue the particular and proper gouernement of their seueral Diocesse then S. Gregory telleth vs plainely that S. Peter and his Successours the Bishops of Rome were such these be his wordes Lib. 4. Epist 76. It is manifest to al that know the Gospel that the charge of the whole Church was by our Lordes owne mouth committed to S. Peter Prince of al the Apostles And againe in the same Epistle Behold Peter receiued the keies of the Kingdome of heauen the power of binding and loosing is giuen to him the charge and principality of the whole Church is committed to him vvhich is also repeated in one of the Epistles cited by M. Abbot Lib. 4. Epist 32. And that by S. Peter this vniuersal charge and authority was left vnto the Bishops and See of Rome no man can vvitnesse it more manifestly then S. Gregory hath done First hauing proued out of the word of God S. Peters supremacy he adjoyneth Lib. 6. Epist 201. Therefore though there were many Apostles yet for the principality it selfe the only seate of the Prince of the Apostles hath preuailed in authority As farre as the See Apostolike is euidently knowne to be set ouer al Churches by the authority of God So farre amongst other manifold cares that doth greatly occupy vs when for the consecration of a Bishop our sentence is expected Againe Lib. 2. Epist 69. Lib. 7. Epist 64. For whereas he the Patriarke of Constantinople acknowledgeth himselfe to be subject vnto the Apostolike See of Rome I know not what Bishop is not subject vnto it Moreouer What thing soeuer shal be done in that Councel without the authority and consent of the See Apostolike it is of no strength and vertue Whereas on the other side he saith Those thinges that are once ratified Lib. 7. Epist 69. by the authority of the See Apostolike neede no further strength or confirmation If any man desire to see how S. Gregory himselfe practised that soueraigne authority ouer al the parts of the Christian world let him but reade his Epistles and he shal finde it most perspicuously Magdeburg Centur. 6. In Indice verbo Gregorius euen as their owne great writers of the Centuries doe testifie directing them to the places in his workes where they shal finde the same How devoide then was M. Abbot of al good conscience and honest dealing that vvould vnder the colour of his writing against the name of vniuersal in that sence perswade the simple that S. Gregory vtterly misliked of the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome Now because that S. Gregory hath beene alwaies highly esteemed and greatly respected of both Latin and Greeke Church for his singular holynes and learning and was besides the principal cause vnder God of the conuersion of vs English-men vnto the Christian faith I wil note out of his workes summarily what was his opinion of many of the questioned points of faith betweene the Protestants and vs because M. Abbot citeth him against vs that euery one may see vvhat religion was first planted amongst vs English-men and continued for a thousand yeares Of the Supremacy and Merit of good workes hath beene spoken already Concerning the sacrifice of the Masse it was daily offered vp to God in his age
the Scriptures in foure seueral languages of so many seueral nations in this land whereas he signifieth the plaine contrary that the Scriptures were only in the Latin tongue among them and that therefore many of each language learned the Latin tongue that they might by the helpe thereof vnderstand meditate and study the Scriptures these be S. Bedes wordes Lib. 1. hyst Aug. cap. 1. This Iland at that time did study and confesse one and the same knowledge of truth in fiue sundry languages to vvit in the English Briton Scottish Picts and Latin tongue vvhich Latin by study of the Scriptures vvas made common to al the rest Note how for to study the holy Scriptures men of the other foure seueral languages were faine to learne the Latin tongue which they needed not to haue done if the Scriptures had beene then translated into their owne mother language as M. Abbot reporteth Another notorious vntruth and most malitious slaunder doth be cast out in the next precedent page against the blessed Bishop S. Augustine our English Apostle Page 198. That forsooth because he could not gette the Britons to obey him he therefore prouoked Ethelbert King of Kent a very good Christian to procure the death of two thousand Monkes of Bangor besides many other more innocent men whereas that holy Religious Father was dead and buried many yeares before that slaughter hapned which was also committed not by Ethelbert King of Kent Beda lib. 2. hyst cap. 2. but by Ethelfride a Pagan Prince of the North parts and that not for any quarrel of religion neither but to enlarge his Dominions and to be reuenged on his enemies Neither can M. Abbot or any other Protestant produce one ancient and approued author to justifie that S. Augustine was any way accessary to that wicked fact but is glad to shroude himselfe vnder the shrubbe of an old namelesse Cronicle and therefore Apocryphal cited by the Arch-lier and late partial writer Iewel fit witnesses for such a palbable and spiteful slander But if I would stand here to make a Catalogue of M. Abbots corruptions falsifications and other odde trickes which he vseth in alleageing of the Fathers and other approued authors I should reduce the greatest part of his booke to this place which chiefly consisteth in such paltry shifts and vnchristianlike dealing this that I haue here declared cannot but suffice to discredit him with al indifferent men For if he hath wittingly misreported such worthy authors of purpose to beguile his credulous reader as it is most like for he wil not be taken for a man that citeth the Fathers by heare-say without looking inâ—o their workes then he hath a most seared and corrupt conscience vnworthy the name of a Diuine and walking aliue is dead in conscience and consequently in credit with al men that loue the truth Sapient 1. vers 11. For the tongue that lieth killeth the soule But let vs suppose the most that may be said in his fauour that he hath not wittingly and of purpose to deceiue the simple cited the holy Fathers sentences wrongfully but taking them vp vpon the credit of some other of his companions without looking into the Doctors owne workes whether they were true or no and being deceiued himselfe doth afterwardes beguile others this I say being of courtesie admitted which is the best excuse that can be truly made for him yet no meane wise man can euer hereafter trust him that so confidently without any qualification auerreth such false tales for his vntruthes are so plaine and palbable that you neede no more but compare his reports with the authors wordes and at the first sight any meane scholler shal finde his cosenage and deceit I come now vnto the last kinde of abuse that M. Abbot offereth vnto the sacred senate of those most renowmed ancient Fathers wherein he doth more ingeniously discouer and lay open the right humour of a true Protestant which is to deny their authority flatly to controle and censure them as simple men to accuse them of error and falshood yea and finally to preferre olde rotten Heretikes opinions before the best of them To beginne with Eusebius Bishop of Caesarea a most famous Hystoriographer that liued in the daies of Constantine the great because he doth more mannerly reprehend him and saith Page 177. That we must giue him leaue to censure Eusebius of an injuditious and presumed explication of Constantines minde and purpose Truly I see no cause why we should giue him any such leaue for who can be so simple as to thinke that M. Abbot borne 1200. yeares after Constantines death should know more of his minde then Eusebius who conuersed with him most familiarly and was of his priuy Councel in such affaires and a man otherwise very learned and juditious Secondly he taxeth the most holy and reuerend Patriarke of Constantinople S. Chrysostome Page 175. for playing the orator and enforcing that in one place for true which in another place he himselfe denieth Page 176. and for reporting that of Constantines Sonne which is much different from the certaine story In like manner be standereth S. Augustine Page 54. for writing against Iouinian the Heretike whose opinions saith M. Abbot very audatiously S. Augustine knew only by heare-say and not of any certainty Secondly Page 60. Though Augustine doth not breake into those rude and vndecent speeches against marriage as Hierome did yet he was deceiued where he said that no Priests embraced Iouinians heresie I wil omit how they note S. Hierome that most vertuous zealous and learned Doctor with a blacke cole Page 57. For writing with al indignation and stomacke for railing and false doctrine because I make hast to acquaint the reader with the most shamelesse pranke of al others which is that they in expresse tearmes preferre the most infamous condemned Heretikes euen in the very points of their errors before the most juditious learned and sincere Doctors of the Church Page 73. It it manifest saith M. Abbot that Hierome one of the foure principal Doctors of the Latin Church was deceiued and that Vigilantius a loose and lewde Heretike had just cause to say as he did Againe Aërius a damned Arrian spake against praier for the dead Page 86. with greater reason then Epiphanius a most ancient learned and holy Greeke father hath defended it Iouinian a notable audatious and ignorant Heretike as both S. Augustine S. Hierome Vincent Lyr. cap. 15. doâ— ranke Iouinian in the nuÌ„ber of pestileÌ„t Heretikes and Vincentius Lyrinensis doe testifie though by reason of his later standing he was vnknowne to Epiphanius this Heretike I say Did teach as M. Abbot reports page 56. the doctrine of Paul in Rome against the superstitious conceit of the holynesse of Virginity before the holynesse in Marriage which notwithstanding was maintained by S. Augustine and S. Hierome with the whole court of Rome at those daies as be him selfe confesseth
wordes gentle Sir and vntil you haue gotten the credit of â—â—other S. Iohn Baptist which wil not be this yeare beare with vs â—â—ough we cannot brooke such foule wordes so wrongfully cast â—pon vs Let it be considered whether those tearmes doe not raâ—her fit men of your owne coate and profession Young vipers to â—â—eepe into this world doe gnaw out their dammes bellies and to â—et the vse of life to themselues doe kil those that gaue them life â—â—e not the Protestants trow you such kinde of creatures did â—â—ey not receiue their christendome and new birth by Catholikes â—â—at were their Predecessors and doe they not by al meanes seeke â—â—e ouerthrow and destruction of them by whom they were reâ—â—nerated and borne a-new If the Catholikes had beene descenâ—â—d from the Protestants and had put them downe to set vp them â—â—lues M. Abbots reproch might haue had some col our of truth â—â—t the contrary being so notorious that the Protestants issued of â—â—e Catholikes and to hatch the vipers of their venimous errors â—â—d as much as in them lay procure the destruction of their Anâ—â—stors faith and religion who can doubt but that the Protestants â—e much more like the vipers brood then the Catholikes be The â—â—me may be said of the Samaritan generation vvho albeit they â—â—etended to be the off-spring of Iacob Iob. 4. and to haue the true vvorâ—â—ip of God in the mount Garazin yet vvere indeede Idolators â—â—d by force and vsurpation held that part of the country which â—â—as the ancient right of the Israelites And because they could 〈◊〉 quietly possesse it as they thought vvithout they serued the â—od of Israel also 4. Reg. 17. they got some Priests of the Israelites among â—â—em at the first to reach them their rites and ceremonies and so â—â—rued together both the God of Israel and each people their seâ—â—ral Gods besides Loe vvhat it is to be a Samaritan generation â—â—e not the Protestants their cosen germans or very neare kinsâ—en They vaunt themselues to be lineally descended of the Apoâ—â—les and to serue God most purely but they can make no better â—â—oofe of their pedigree and lawful succession from the Apostles â—hen the Samaritans could doe of their natural discent from Iacob â—herefore they are strangers borne of the sinnes of the people and raised out of the ashes of old rotten Heretikes that haue no right vnto any roomes in the Catholike and Apostolike Church no more then the Assirians had vnto the land of Israel Againe being entred into possession of the Church-liuinges by violence did they not for feare of displeasing the people that might perhaps haue hoised them out againe joine very many rites of the old seruice vvith their new deuises and gotte not one only aâ— the Samaritans did but many of our Priests to instruct them in the old ceremonies euen as the Samaritans for pure feare serued the God of Israel vvith their owne Idols so that in euery respect the Protestant progeny is proued to resemble to the life a Samaritan generation Now the Catholikes that haue not forcibly driuen the Protestants out of their ancient country nor taken any of their Ministers to teach them how to serue their Lord but succeeding lineally the Apostles as in place so in doctrine and religion can with no reason be called a Samaritan generation and consequently M. Abbot vvas fouly ouer-seene to charge vs with the imputation of such contumelies that doe in no sort touch vs but doe hitte themselues home In which he that would be taken for a great Oratour must needes confesse that he much forgot the wise counsel of the prince of Oratours Cicero who saith Qui alterum criminis accuset c. He that accuseth another man of any crime ought before-hand diligently to consider that be himselfe be not guilty of the same for it is a grosse and intollerable impudency to vpbraide another with that wherein your selfe are most faulty But herein as in many such like M. Abbot thought it more policy belike to imitate those infamous Elders vvho fearing to be accused truly by chast Susanna of their outragious attempt began first to burthen her vvrongfully vvith the accusation of forged crimes If therefore he speede no better therein then they did let him thanke himselfe for his badde choise I omit here his manifold other spiteful tearmes against his Holinesse and other inferiour persons as the ordinary flowers of his rusty rhethorike yet I cannot but note that he doth repeate againe and againe the vvord Religion too too scornefully for a man that maketh account of any religion and may not let passe that incongruity vvhich M. Abbot being a great Architect of wordes hath committed in his owne art For in the fore-front of his dedication he hath placed such a number of base rascal vile wordes as must needes seeme very vnfit to present vnto so high a Majesty as is the Monarke of great Britanny whose most ciuil and delicate eares may not abide the sound of such rude and harsh speeches as be for example Vipers broode whoore bastard slauery damnable accursed inchaunting whining repining onions garleeke feculent cachexy and such like a dainty messe of wordes no doubt and meete to be tendered vnto so juditious a Prince for a choise breake-fast Page 39. Ioine here vnto that which M. Philpot as he saith in great heate of spirit answered D oct Chadsey Afore God you are bare-arsed in al your religion and many of the same sort wherewith his vvritinges are besmeared and then judge whether they doe not smel more rankly of some noisome tan-fat then sauour of any ciuility and whether that old Adage may not be verified in him That which is bredde in the bone wil neuer out of the flesh otherwise the study of Philosophy in so famous an Vniuersity and chiefly the profession of Diuinity vvould haue weaned him from such rustical and homely tearmes and haue taught him to vse more ciuility in his writinges dedicated specially to so high a Majesty Let vs proceede ROBERT ABBOT AMONGST the rest one Doctor Bishop a secular and seminary Priest a man of special reputation among them and chosen to be a maine stickler in the late contentions of the secular Priests against the Iesuites hath taken vpon him to sollicite your Majesty in that behalfe and hauing apprehended a speech or two deliuered from your Majesties owne mouth in the conference of Hampton-Court would make you beleeue that if you wil stand vnto what your selfe haue deliuered you must needes admit their Catacatholike tradition to be the Catholike and true faith Whose Epistle to your Majesty when I had perused and examined the answering of the vvhole booke being by authority vnder your Majesty committed vnto me I could not but wonder that the author of it durst offer it being so ful of falshood and childish folly to a Prince so learned and wel able to judge thereof but that I considered that one vntruth must
Roman Church the faith whereof he in al his life-time imbraced and by al meanes possible confirmed I reserued to this place for the affinity of proper applying the other two sentences taken out of S. Augustine the former is set in the fore-front of his booke and is rehearsed againe in the latter end Eorum dicta contraria c. If I would refel their sayings against vs so often as they impudently resolue not to care what they say so that they speake in what sort soeuer against our positions it would grow vnto an infinite peece of worke This sentence of S. Augustine is pronounced against Infidels who did not beleeue at al in Christ nor professe the Christian faith as appeareth both by the general scope of those bookes of the citty of God Lib. 2. de ciâ—itat cap. 2. vvhich are written against the Heathens and more particularly by the third chapter of the same second booke by him cited Now with what countenance and congruity could M. Abbot cite that against vs Christians vvhich he knew right vvel not to concerne them any thing at al at least in S. Augustines meaning M. Abbot thought belike to vvinne no smal reputation of great reading and good remembrance of the ancient Doctors workes but alleaging them as he commonly doth cleane besides the holy Fathers intention he shal I weene picke very smal thankes of any juditious reader for his labour but be esteemed rather for one that is somewhat pretily ouer-seene then any vvhit vvel seene in their learned writinges Now to the other sentence of S. Augustine which he pronounceth against the Donatists our Predecessours if al be true that M. Abbot saith where they cannot by fly and wily cosenage creepe like Aspes In psalm there with open professed violence they rage like Lions Note that M. Abbot cited this place euen as that of S. Bernard in general not quoting particularly where there being aboue 200. discourses of S. Augustines vpon the Psalmes the cause was that he knew vvel that it did make nothing for his purpose The Donatists were diuided among themselues into three principal sects called Donatists Rogatists and Maximianists Now the Donatists being the strongest part and the head of the others vvould in a certaine citty thrust out their younger bretheren the Maximianists and not knowing how otherwise to compasse it because of the temporal Magistrate who fauoured neither party greatly but was rather Catholike the Donatists finally resolued to pleade that the Maximianists vvere Heretikes and therefore by the Imperial lawes then and there in force not to enjoy any spiritual liuinges vsing this crafty tricke of cosenage against their neare kinsmen the Maximianists for which S. Augustine resembleth them to Aspes Now against the Catholikes in their coasts they did rore and rage like Lions Then doth that holy Father shew How the Lions teeth were to be broken in their owne mouthes for if saith he the Maximianists because they were Heretikes were not capable of any Church liuinges much lesse were the Donatists who were the greater Heretikes of the two and against whom more specially the Imperial lawes were enacted Hence it is easie to be seene how this sentence might be applied vnto the Lutherans that in some places of Germany hoise out their younger bretheren the Caluinists as Heretikes and also to the Protestants in England vvho deale in lâ—ke manner vvith the Puritans carrying themselues like Aspes more wilely towardes them pretending only to censure and chastise them vnder colour of Ecclesiastical vniformity among themselues but proceeding against the Catholikes Lion-like with open professed violence But how this may be cast vpon the Catholikes no man can see I trow vnlesse it be M. Abbot with his spiteful soare eies so that finally few men can be found to match M. Abbot in the vntoward and il fauoured applying of the Fathers sentences which hath beene also before declared And because he both here and often afterward calleth vs Donatists and the Donatists our Predecessours I wil here once for al shew who be true natural Donatists and that out of S. Augustine and Optatus both very renowmed Bishops both most learned and sincere vvitnesses that liued also in the middest of the Donatists when they most flourished August ad Quod-vult These then were the Donatists chiefest heresies First That the true Church of Christ was perished al the world ouer sauing in some coasts of Africke where their doctrine was currant Secondly They rebaptised Catholikes that fel into their sect Thirdly They held not the faith of the blessed Trinity intire and whole but some of them taught like Arrians the Sonne to be lesse then the Father but as S. Augustine noteth this was not marked of their followers Fourthly They were soone deuided among themselues into three principal sects Donatists Rogatists and Maximianists There vvere also amongst them many frantike furious fellowes called Circumcelliones August Epistola 50. who rouing vp and downe in troupes committed many outrages set fire on Catholike Churches tormented Priests abused most impiously the blessed Sacrament of Christs body reserued in the Churches Optat. lib. 2. coÌ„t Parmeni Aug. Epist 119. cap. 18. cast the boxes of holy Oiles out of the Church windowes that they might be broken and the holy Oiles trodden vnder feete Finally The Donatists deuised a new kinde of Psalmes to be songe before their diuine seruice and sermons These be the special points of the Donatists errours and erroneous practises as they witnesse who best knew them and were least like of any men to belie them S. Augustine I say and Optaetus Bishop of Mileuitane both very sound authours of singuler same and credit Now let any man of wit judge whether the Catholikes or Protestants doe most resemble them yea who can deny but that the Protestants doe almost in euery point follow them at the heeles For first the Protestants teach euen as they did that Christes visible Church was perished for the inuisible Church the Donatists held could not perish as S. Augustine witnesseth for 900. Aug. in psal 101. cap. 2. yeares at the least al the vvorld ouer and is euen now wholy decaied in al other parts of the world sauing where their doctrine is embraced and this was the maine point of the Donatists heresie Secondly though al the Protestants doe not rebaptise yet one part of them to wit the Anabaptists doe vse it For the Protestants be deuided into Lutherans Sacramentaries and Anabaptists to omit Trinitarians and Arrians euen as the Donatists were into Donatists Rogatists and Maximianists Thirdly diuers of their principal teachers as Melancthon Caluin and many others doe corrupt the sound doctrine of the most sacred Trinity as I haue shewed in the Preface of the second part of the Reformation of a deformed Catholike though the common sort of them doe not greatly obserue it Fourthly for plucking downe of Churches abusing the most blessed Sacrament holy Oiles and al holy ornaments that belonged
are against vs. WILLIAM BISHOP THIS Section comprehends a praise of M. Perkins a dispraise of me and a commendation of himselfe In praising of M. Perkins he is short and modest let it therefore passe that I may come to answere for my selfe First he saith against me that I would perswade his Majesty that that religioâ— is Catholike which in deede is nothing else but errors Is not this to speake idly and vainely so to say vvithout any proofe vnlesse we must take that for a proofe which followeth vvhich is a most euident falshood euen by his owne confession these be his wordes here I presume gentle reader that thou wilt be of my minde that he did not thinke hereby to preuaile any whit with his Majesty but only vsed this dedication to credit his booke withal How knoweth M. Abbot vvhat I thought S. Paul saith 1. Cor. 2. vers 11. What man knowes the secret thinges of a man but the spirit of a man that is within him God only is the searcher of mens harts but M. Abbot perhaps by some diuine reuelation or by the spirit of prophecy diued into the depth of my secret thoughts and by a very rare light of his pearcing wit espied that which was not there If it had beene so he should at least haue kept better his owne counsaile and not like a blabbe and lying Prophet haue afterwardes vttered and proued the flat contrary as he doth in these wordes And that he thought so indeede Page 4. viz. by offering his booke to his Majesty to performe some great exploit with him appeareth by his owne wordes c. where he declareth that he was of opinion then and that moued thereunto by good reason that I thought to preuaile much with his Majesty by dedicating my booke vnto him and yet he doth here beare his reader in hand that I my selfe had no hope at al of any good to be done thereby so that if the reader wil be of his minde he must thinke here one thing there another now this then that and finally he knoweth not what Is there any credit to be giuen to a man that telleth such contrary tales he that fighteth so fondly against himselfe is he like to doe another man any great harme surely no vnlesse it be with some ignorant or credulous people that either marke not what he saith or lacke judgement to discerne how il he agreeth with himselfe and how weakely he proueth that which he saith against his aduersary M. Abbot goeth on deeply dispraising my poore labours pretending them to be nothing else but a fardle of baggage and rotten stuffe God be thanked his vvord is no Gospel nor his mouth any just measure of truth and I take it for no disparagement to my worke to be reprehended without any disproofe by so badde a tongued worke-man But good Sir how could so smal a fardle of baggage and rotten stuffe hold you that would be reputed so quiuer nimble and quicke in inditing occupied two or three yeares let any man of vnderstanding judge how handsomly these thinges hang together Wel let vs come to the third point vvhich consisteth in the praises of his owne ability he taketh good respite to answere he saith because he wil both giue the reader ful satisfaction in the questions here discussed and also stoppe the aduersaries mouth that he may haue nothing to reply A strong faith of himselfe doth wel but O craking impudency and impudent craking Doe you thinke your selfe able to giue your reader so ful satisfaction that requireth perdy not only ful knowledge of those questions and most exquisite explication of them but also wonderful good lucke to meete vvith such a ready and tractable reader as vvil be fully satisfied thereby But be it so that you may chance to giue some sleepy seely ouer-wel-willing reader ful satisfaction with what countenance can you say that you wil so stoppe your aduersaries mouth that he may haue nothing further to reply did euer any man of the best gifts write so absolutely that he left not some one occasion or another vnto his aduersary to take exceptions against him But M. Abbot by the verdict of the wise-man himselfe wil surpasse al that euer set pen to paper since Christes time and proue so prouident and powerful a composer that he wil not leaue any man one vvord further to reply vpon him vvhereas in truth the most that he produceth is indeede such baggage stuffe and hath beene already confuted both in Latin and English so often ouer and ouer that if any modesty were in him he would haue beene ashamed to make so great crakes of such refuse ouerworne and forlorne ware But bragge on and seing you haue begunne to play the mount-banke hold on hardly Haue you propoâ—nded Tertullians rule to your selfe and doe you meane duly to obserue it shal the truth be set out by you with it whole strength yes marry shal it what else then surely doe you not only match the Apostle S. Paul in affection but doe also goe farre beyond him in skil and knowledge He saith of himselfe and other Apostles 1. Cor. 13. Ex parte cognoscimus c. We haue not ful and perfect knowledge whiles we liue on earth but know thinges in part And if the principal peeres of the Church confessed themselues not to haue the ful knowledge of the truth how dares this pigmee and dwarfe in diuinity if he be compared to them auouch that the truth by his meanes shal be furnished with it whole strength If it be an vnciuil part for any man to commend himselfe without vrgent necessity and intollerable arrogancy for a Christian whose greatest jewel is humility to ranke himselfe vvith the best learned in antiquity then surely so braggingly to vndertake that which the Apostle teacheth not to ly in the power of the most sufficient among Christians must needes be vnspeakable impudency The Heathen Orator Cicero who was vaine-glorious enough could yet see by the light of nature that it was a shameful part for any man to bragge of himselfe specially in that which is false and by imitating the vaine-glorious souldier to make himselfe a mocking-stock to al hearers That M. Abbot might put vs in minde of that craking captaine Thraso whom he meant to imitate he saith further that he wil leuy such troupes and handes as that he need not to doubt of the victory Now to vphold him in his humour one should say Euen so was wont to doe that most valiant and politike warrior Pirrhus the renowmed King of the Epirots But I am no flatterer either by profession or natural inclination and he seemeth to take it for a grace to be shamelesse vvherefore it booteth not to goe about to make him blush or else I could aduertise him that these bragges of his doe not only exceede al measure but doe also expresly repugne against his owne confession in his Epistle to his Majesty for there he
And that he thought so indeede appeareth by his owne wordes in the Preface What Sir did I thinke in deede to performe some exploite with his Majesty by dedicating my booke to him then are you a very cosoner to goe about to perswade your reader to the contrary might not you haue better spared this silly and sencelesse discourse of my being out of al hope to preuaile ought with his Majesty then after you haue made it to ouerthrow it your selfe in the very same side of a leafe durst you in so short a space set downe propositions so contrary the one to the other as these be First He himselfe was without al hope or opinion of successe in his request to his Majesty And againe He thought in deede to performe some exploit that is to preuaile maruailous much with his Majesty by it If any man had a jade that did enterfeere and cut his pasternes so pittifully as this man crosseth himselfe in his owne assertions I am sure he vvould quickly cast him off for feare of a foule fal so I hope euery aduised reader wil take heed how he beleeue him that doth not beleeue himselfe or else doth luculently belie himselfe for if he had beleeued himselfe when he said that I indeed thought to doe much good vvith his Majesty by dedicating my booke to him he vvould neuer so idly haue gone about to proue that I my selfe had no hope of successe in it But let vs yet heare more of his vvorthy tale ROBERT ABBOT AND that he thought so indeed appeareth by his owne wordes in the Preface to the reader commending this Treatise vnto him in these tearmes He shal finde herein the marrow and pith of many large volumes contracted and drawne into a narrow roome By his owne conceite therefore he hath sent vs the strength of their strength the choise of their learning the flower of their argumēts so that this booke is as it were a Goliath out of the host of the Philistines sent to defie the host of Israel and to require a combatant at one fight to try the matter presuming that in al Israel is not a man to be found that dare vndertake to answere the challēge Whereby appeareth that it is but for fashion sake that he speaketh so modestly in the beginning of his Epistle excusing his slender skil and complaining that his dead and daily interrupted and persecuted studies vvil not giue him leaue to accomplish that little which otherwise he might vndertake and performe surely he neither vvanted skil nor leasure as it seemeth that could thus gather the marrow and pith of so many large volumes As for his studies if he vvil confesse the truth he must acknowledge that they haue beene more interrupted by their contentions vvith the Iesuites then persecuted by vs albeit great reason it is that he and his fellowes should be persecuted if he vvil so tearme it by restraint of body that abuse their liberty when they are abroade to the persecuting and destroying of other mens soules with-drawing them from the seruice of Iesus Christ by their illusions and enchantments bewitching them to dote vpon Antichrist extinguishing in them the true conscience of alleageance to their Prince and preparing them to the execution of their seditious and traiterous designements as hath in some part appeared to his Majesty already and I doubt not but some further experience vvil make it further to appeare WILLIAM BISHOP I Was bold in my Preface according to the common custome of writers to commend my booke to the reader that he might the more vvillingly reade it ouer with diligence and I shewed before vvhat I meant when I said That he should there finde the marrow and pith of many volumes drawne into a narrow roome For whereas diuers men haue set out vvhole volumes of one only controuersie some of the supremacy others of the blessed Sacrament diuers men of sundry questions in my booke should be treated of many great controuersies and the principal arguments of those matters comprised in them for on the Protestants side M. Perkins as I there said had collected their choise arguments vvhich al were related in my booke besides their answeres and some of the best according to my slender choise and skil proposed in defence and fauour of the Catholike party Wherefore I did not much exceede vvhen I said that the summe and substance of many large bookes should be contracted into that smal one of mine meaning aswel of the Protestant authors as of the Catholike vvherefore M. Abbots amplification of it is both idle and false for I sent them as wel the creame of their owne arguments as the flower of ours Neither did I challenge any man as he fableth much lesse did I like Goliath defie the host of Israel but doe only giue answere to an Ismaelite who counterfaiting the Israelite doth take vpon him to reforme them that are better informed then himselfe There being then no just cause why M. Abbot should vse these superfluous wordes wil you giue me leaue to aime at this vaine-glorious mans meaning In this resembling of his aduersary to Goliath vvould he not thereby thinke you haue his reader imagine that he as another Dauid was chosen out of the host of Israel to encounter with this great Goliath And what maruaile though he that durst equal himselfe to S. Paul for zeale and affection and for al sufficiency in knowledge doth exalt himselfe aboue al men taking also vpon him not to be ignorant of mens secret intentions nor of vvhat shal happen hereafter might moreouer desire to be reputed another Dauid chosen to defend the people of God against the Philistines M. Abbots stile and title then in true Herauldry may be this another Dauid for valour and resolution a second Paul for feruour in deuotion a Peerlesse disputer that wil not leaue his aduersary one word to reply a Prophet that can diue into the depth of another mans breast and fore-tel what is to come in a vvord a vaine craking jangler and a notorious lier vvitnesse euery leafe and almost euery line in his booke Is not that which followeth a strange tale That my studies haue beene more interrupted by contention with the Iesuites then persecuted by the Protestants vvhereas they haue beene rather furthered then hindred by those disputes betweene the Iesuites and vs about the gouernement of the Church vvhich gaue vs great occasion to looke better into that noble knowledge of the Ecclesiastical Hierarchy then euer we did before And as in times past we had vvillingly reaped no smal commodity both in their vvel ordered schooles and out of their very learned vvriters euen so now vpon this new occasion vve vvere by them almost compelled to take a deeper insight of the Canons of the Church and to be farre better acquainted with the managing of those spiritual matters Wherefore the Iesuites did rather aduance our studies then any way persecute them whereas on the other side the
al one to say the vniuersal particular Church here is a vvel shapen argument and worthy the maker it consists of al particular propositions which euery smatterer in logicke knowes to be most vitious besides not one of them is good but al are sophistical and ful of deceit First concerning the forme if it were currant one might proue by it that no one Church in the vvorld vvere Catholike take for example the English congregation vvhich they hold to be most Catholike and apply M. Abbots argument to it thus The Catholike Church is the vniuersal Church but the Church of England is a particular Church wherefore to say the English Church is Catholike is to say a particular Church is an vniuersal His first fault then is in the very forme of reasoning which alone is sufficient to argue him to be a sophister and one that meaneth to beguile them that vvil trust him now to the particulars His first proposition the Catholike Church is the vniuersal Church is both absurd because the same thing is affirmed of himselfe for vniuersal is no distinct thing but the very interpretation of the vvord Catholike and also captious as hauing a double signification For the Catholike Church doth signifie both the vvhole body of the Church compacted of al the particular members vnited and joyned together in one in which sence no one particular Church can be called the Catholike Church because it is not the vvhole body spread ouer al the world for it is totum integrale to vse the schoole tearmes and not totum vniuersale quod dicitur de multis Secondly the Catholike Church doth also designe and note very properly euery particular Church that embraceth the same true Christian faith which hath continued euer since Christs time and beene receiued in al countries not only because it is totum similare as M. Abbot speaketh vvherefore euery true member of the Catholike Church may be called Catholike but also because each of the said particular Churches hath the same Faith the same Sacraments and the same order of gouernement al vvhich are as it vvere the soule and forme of the Catholike Church vvhich M. Abbot acknowledgeth and further also confesseth out of S. Augustine that Christians were called Catholikes Ex communicatione totius orbis Epistola 48. By hauing communion of faith with the whole world If then by his owne confession euery particular Church yea euery particular Christian that embraceth and professeth that faith which is dilated al the vvorld ouer be truly called Catholike how fondly then did he goe about to proue the Church of Rome not to be Catholike and Papists not to be Catholikes because forsooth they were particulars Yet that he may be thought not to doate outright but rather to dreame he addeth That at least the Church of Rome hath no reason to assume to her selfe the prerogatiue of that title because that euery Church where the true faith is taught is truly called Catholike and no one more then another I note first that this man is as constant and stable as the weather-cocke on the toppe of a steeple before he proued stoutly as you haue heard that no particular Church could be called Catholike now he wil haue euery particular Church that receiueth the true faith to be called Catholike Neither doe vve say that any one Orthodoxe Church is more Catholike then another if the word Catholike be taken precisely though we hold that among al the particular Catholikes the Roman holdeth the greatest priuiledges both of superiority in gouernement and of continuance and stability in the same true Catholike faith which is deduced out of the word of God because that Church Math. 16. vers 18. Is the Rocke according to the exposition of the ancient Fathers vpon which the whole Church was built and against which the gates of hel should neuer preuaile Againe the Bishop of Rome succeedeth lineally vnto S. Peter Luc. 22. vers 23. Whose faith through the vertue of Christs praier shal neuer faile wherefore S. Ireneus a most learned Archbishop of Lions in France and a glorious Martir of great antiquity saith That al Churches ought to agree with the Church of Rome Lib. 3. cap. 3. for her more mighty principality S. Cyprian Archbishop of Carthage in Africke affirmeth Li. 1. epist 3. That perfidiousnesse and falshood in matters of faith can haue no accesse vnto the See of Rome S. Ambrose taketh it to be al one to say the Catholike and the Roman Church in these vvordes If he shal agree with the Catholike that is De ob Satyri Hieron in Apolog 1. cont Ruffi cap. 1. with the Roman Church So doth S. Hierome when he saith of Ruffinus What faith doth he say his to be if the Roman faith we are then Catholikes affirming men to become Catholikes by holding the Roman faith a De Praescript Tertullian b Epiphan Haeres 27. Epiphanius c Lib. 2. cōt Parmeni Optatus d August Epist 165. S. Augustine doe proue their Churches to be Catholike and themselues to be Catholikes by declaring that they doe communicate vvith the Church of Rome in society of faith and doe condemne their aduersaries to be Schismatikes and Heretikes because they did not communicate vvith the same Roman Church And vvhich is greatly to be noted no general Councel of sound authority vvherein the Christian truth hath beene expounded and determined but is confirmed by the Bishop of Rome And on the other side no heresie or errour in faith hath sprong vp since the Apostles daies that did not oppose it selfe against the Roman See and was not by the same finally ouerthrowne Whereupon S. Augustine had good reason to say That that chaire obtained the toppe of authority De vtil cred cap. 17. Heretikes in vaine barking round about it This little I hope vvil suffice for this place to declare that there is great cause vvhy vve should attribute much more to the Roman Church then to any other particular Church whatsoeuer and yeeld to it the prerogatiue of al singular titles in a more excellent manner Here comes in M. Abbots second proposition but the Church of Rome is a particular Church in which is as great doubling and deceit as in the former for albeit the Church of Rome doe in rigour of speech only comprehend the Christians dwelling in Rome yet is it vsually taken by men of both parties to signifie al Churches of vvhatsoeuer other Country that doe agree vvith the Church of Rome in faith and confesse the Pastour thereof to be the chiefe Pastour vnder Christ of the whole Church Like as in times past the Roman Empire did signifie not the territory of Rome alone or dominion of Italy but also any nation that vvas subject to the Roman Emperour Euen so the whole Catholike Church or any true member thereof may be called the Roman Church à parte principaliore because the Bishop of Rome is the supreme head
Donatists held the Catholike Church to be at Cartenna for there dwelt only the Rogatists who were as S. Augustine there speaketh Breuissimum frustrum de frustro maiore A most smal gobbet or fragment broken out of a greater peece that is to say a few schismatical fellowes fallen from the Donatists as the Puritans are from the Protestants or the Anabaptists from the Sacramentaries so that although men of that sect held the Catholike Church to be at Cartenna yet the maine body of the Donatists maintained it not to be there at al but held that congregation of Cartenna to be vvholy schismatical and no true member of the Catholike Church This first part then of the comparison is most vgly and monstrously false The second is not vnlike The Donatists would haue the Church to be called Catholike not by reason of the communion and society thereof through the whole world but by reason of the perfection of doctrine and sacraments which they falsly challenged to themselues the same perfection the Church of Rome now arrogateth to her selfe Here are many faults the first is a grosse lie in the chiefe branch for the Donatists did not cal the Church Catholike for the perfection of doctrine and sacraments see S. Augustine in both places who expresly deliuereth Breui collat cap. 2. diei 3. Epist. 48. that it was for the fulnesse of sacraments Ex plenitudine sacramentorum or for the obseruation of al Gods commandements Ex obseruatione omnium diuinorum praeceptorum of perfection of doctrine they said not one word they were more sharpe-vvitted as S. Augustine obserueth then to goe about to proue vniuersality by perfection which is not vniuersal But seing wel that they could not defend their congregation to be Catholike that is vniuersal but by some kinde of vniuersality they defended it to be so called for the vniuersality fulnesse of sacraments and coÌ„mandements that is because their Church retained al the sacraments that the Catholikes did and professed to keepe al Gods commandements as fully as they M. Abbots former fault then in this second point of resemblance and that a foule one is in that he belieth the Donatists And more palpably should he haue belied the Roman Church if he had justly brought in the resemblance to wit if he had said as due proportion required that vve hold our Church to be Catholike as the Donatists did theirs for the perfection of doctrine and sacraments vvhich is so manifestly vntrue and so cleerely against the doctrine of al Catholike writers that he that was wont to blush at nothing seemeth yet ashamed to auouch it openly and yet doth at last traile it in deceitfully As for perfection of doctrine and sacraments though it be only in the Catholike Church yet it is so farre wide from the signification and vse of the vvord Catholike that none except such wise men as M. Abbot is doe thinke any thing to be Catholike because it is perfect The third particle of the resemblance is That from Cartennathe the Donatists ordained Bishops to other countries euen to Rome it selfe And from Rome by the Papists order Bishops be authorised to al other Churches I am not so copious as to afford to euery leasing of M. Abbot a new phrase vvherefore the reader I hope wil beare with my rudenesse if I cal sometimes a lie by the name of a lie It is an vntrue tale that the Donatists ordained Bishops from Cartenna for they could not abide that place but esteemed it to be Schismatical as you haue heard before He doth misreport S. Augustine vvho saith Lib. 2. cont Crescon c. 37 Quò ex Africa ordinare paucis vestris soletis Episcopum you Donatists are wont to order and send a Bishop thither to your few companions out of Africa not from Cartenna in Mauritania Neither doth the Catholike Church appoint that euery Bishop should goe to Rome to take holy orders and from thence to be sent to other Catholike countries but in euery other region where be three Catholike Bishops they may be lawfully consecrated albeit for vnities sake and to preserue due order they be confirmed by the Bishop of Rome the supreme head vnder Christ of the Catholike Church The fourth point of the comparison is most absurd for the Donatists were so farre from thinking them Catholikes that kept communion with the Church of Cartenna that they detested and abhorred their company as Schismatikes Neither doe we cal any men Catholikes for keeping coÌ„munion with the Church of Rome if it be taken for that particular Church which is contained within the vvalles of Rome but because that communicating with that Church in faith and religion they doe communicate with al other of the same faith which are spread al the world ouer Finally the fift is as false as the fourth and in the same sort to be confuted True it is that the Donatists thought that none could be saued out of their congregation which is almost a common position of euery sect and heresie but most sure it is that there is no saluation out of the true Church of Christ no more then was out of the Arke of Noë in the general deluge vvherefore whosoeuer doth not communicate with the Church of Rome vvhich is the chiefe member thereof in society of faith and sacraments is out of the state of grace and saluation according to that of S. Hierome to Pope Damasus I following no chiefe but Christ Epistola 7. tit 2. joine my selfe to the communion of Peters chaire vpon that Rocke I know the Church to be built whosoeuer doth eate the Paschal lambe out of this house he is prophane he that is not found within the Arke of Noë shal perish c. vvhere there is much more to this purpose To conclude this passage seing that M. Abbot went about to proue the Church of Rome to be like that of the Donatists by no one sound argument but by meere fabling lying he must looke vnlesse he repent Apocal. 21. vers 8. to haue his part with al liars in the poole burning with fire and brimstone And if it please the reader to heare at what great square the Donatists vvere vvith the Church of Rome to which M. Abbot doth so often resemble them I wil briefly shew it out of the best records of that time S. Augustine speaketh thus to the Donatist Petilian Lib. 2. cont Petili c. 51. What hath the Church or See of Rome done to thee in which Peter did sit and now sitteth Anastatius why doest thou cal the Apostolical chaire the chaire of pestilence See how friendly the Donatists saluted the Church of Rome stiling it the chaire of pestilence Lib. 2. cont Parmeni Optatus Bishop of Mileuitan saith thus Whence is it that you Donatists contend to vsurp vnto you the keies of the Kingdome and that you wage battaile against the chaire of Peter presumptuously and with sacrilâ—gious audacity If they vvaged battaile against
the Church who then but miscreants and Heretikes can take it for a name of curse reproch and shame Is it not vntil this day set downe in the Apostles creed as the honourable title and epithite of the true Church I beleeue the holy Catholike Church Must he then not be rather an Apostata then a scholler of the Apostles â—hat blusheth not to auouch the very name Catholike to be the proper badge of Apostataes and Heretikes which the Apostles asscribe and appropriate vnto true Christianity If any proude and false fellowes doe vsurpe that name and challenge it to themselues wrongfully as many did euen in S. Augustines time when M. Abbot confesseth it to haue beene in greatest estimation let such vsurping companions be rebuked sharply and conuicted of their insolent and audatious folly but the name Catholike which the Apostles thought vvorthy and fit to be placed in the articles of our creede and principles of our religion must alwaies remaine and be among true Christians a name very glorious and desireable We therefore say with S. Augustine We receiue the holy Ghost if we loue the Church Tract 32. in Iohannem Lib. 1. cont GaudeÌ„t c. 33. if we be joined together by charity if we rejoice in the Catholike name and faith And they that doe not joy in that name but mocke at it doe blaspheme as the same most holy Authour intimateth The name Iewe being taken in the Apostles sence for one of what nation soeuer that fulfilleth the justice of the law neuer was nor neuer shal be a name of reproch so that M. Abbot is driuen to hoppe from one sence of that name to another to make it appliable to his purpose But and it please you the Protestants haue the kernel of the name Catholike and we but the shel Why doe they then so bitterly inueigh against it vvhy are they not more willing to extol and magnifie that renowmed title being of such ancient Nobility twenty pound to a peny that vvhat face soeuer he set on it yet in his hart he maruailously feareth the contrary himselfe If that faith and religion only be Catholike vniuersal as he acknowledgeth that hath euer beene and is also spread ouer al the world and shal continue to the worldes end then surely their religion cannot be Catholike euen by the vniforme confession of themselues vvho generally acknowledge that for nine hundred yeares together the Papacy did so domineer al the world ouer that not a man of their religion vvas to be found in any corner of the vvorld that durst peepe out his head to contradict it Could there be any Church of theirs then when there was not one Pastour and flocke of their religion though neuer so smal in any one country and euen now vvhen their Gospel is at the hottest hath it spread it selfe al the world ouer is it receiued in Italy Spaine Greece Afrike or Asia or carried into the Indians nothing lesse They cannot then cal themselues Catholikes after the sincere and ancient acceptation of that name which is as himselfe hath often repeted out of S. Augustine Quia communicant Ecclesiae toto orbe diffusae Because they communicate in fellowship of faith with the Church spread ouer al the world They must therefore notwithstanding M. Abbots vaine bragges be content with the shel and leaue the kernel to vs who doe embrace the same faith that is dilated al countries ouer yea they must be contented to walke in the foote-steps of their fore-fathers the Donatists euen according to M. Abbots explication and flie from the vniuersality of faith and communion of the Church spread al the world ouer vnto the perfection of their doctrine which is neuerthelesse more absurd and further from the true signification of the word Catholike then the Donatists shift was of fulnesse of sacraments and obseruation of al Gods commandements as hath beene already declared But let vs heare how clearely and substantially he wil at length proue their Church to be Catholike ROBERT ABBOT NOw as of this Catholike Church from the beginning to the end there is as appeareth in the vvordes cited by M. Bishop but Ephes 4. vers 4. One body euen as one Lord one God and Father of al so is there also but one spirit one hope one faith one baptisme one spiritual meate and drinke one religion Let vs then looke out those that haue beene before vs and consider Abel Noë Abraham Isaac Iacob and the rest of the Patriarkes and Fathers Let vs looke to Moises and the Prophets and the whole generation of the righteous and faithful of the old Testament and see what their faith was what was their religion and seruice of God vndoubtedly we find not a Papist among them we finde no shadow of that which they now obtrude and thrust vpon vs vnder the name of Catholike religion They did not worship Idols and Images they did not coÌ„ming after pray to Saints that were dead before them they vsed no inuocation of Angels they knew no Merits nor vvorkes of supererogation They vowed no vowes of Monkery they made no pilgrimage to Reliques and dead mens bones they knew no shrift nor absolution or any of that riffe-raffe-stuffe vvherein the substance of Catholike religion is now imagined to consist But what they did the same doe we as they worshipped God so sauing ceremonial obseruances vve also worship him as they beleeued so by the same spirit of faith vve also beleeue as they praied so vvith the same vvordes we also pray according to the approued example of their life we also teach men to liue therefore no Popery but our religion is the Catholike religion because it is that vvhich the Catholike Church hath practised from the beginning of the world and Popish religion not so The same faith and religion which they followed and no other our Sauiour Christ at his coÌ„ming further confirmed and only stripping it of those tipes and shadowes vvherewith it pleased God for the time to cloth it commending the same to his Apostles simply and nakedly to be preached to the nations They did so They added nothing of their owne they preached only the Gospel promised before by the Tertul. de Praescript Rom. 1. Prophets in the holy Scriptures saying no other thinges Act. 26. v. 12. Lib. 3. cap. 1. then those which the Prophets and Moises did say should come The Gospel which they first preached afterwardes by the wil God as Ireneus saith they deliuered to vs in writing to be the pillar and foundation of our faith Thus then vvhat Christ deliuered the Apostles preached vvhat the Apostles preached they wrote vvhat they vvrote we receiue and beleeue De praescript and beleeuing this as Tertullian saith we desire to beleeue no more because we first beleeue that there is nothing else for vs to beleeue And therefore as S. Augustine saith if any man August cont literas Petili lib. 3. cap. 6. nay if an Angel from
heauen shal preach vnto vs any thing concerning Christ or concerning his Church or concerning any thing pertaining to our faith and life but what we haue receiued in the Scriptures of the law and Gospel accursed be he Our faith therefore because it is that which the Apostles committed to writing is the Apostolike faith and our Church ex consanguinitate doctrinae by consanguinity and agreement of doctrine is proued to be an Apostolical Church c. of this Apostolical Church his Majesty is the supreme gouernour vnder Christ As for M. Bishops religion it cannot be the Catholike religion because it is not that vvhich the Catholike Church that is the faithful of al ages haue practised His faith is not the Apostolike faith because it is not that vvhich the Apostles left in writing They make no mention of the Pope of his Supremacy of his Pardons of worshipping of Images inuocation of Saints Pilgrimages and a thousand such trumperies WILLIAM BISHOP WE agree in this that there is but one faith one baptisme one spiritual foode and one religion in the Catholike Church but M. Abbot is fouly ouer-seene about the time when the true Church beganne first to be called Catholike which was not before Christs time but afterwardes according to that alleaged out of Pacianus an ancient authour who writeth of the name Catholike saying Christian is my name Pacian epist ad Simphor de nomine Catholico Catholike is my surname For when among Christians some beganne to teach false doctrine and to draw others after them into sects they that remained sound did cleaue fast vnto the whole body of the Church were intituled Catholikes to distinguish them from Heretikes that did not joine vvith the vniuersal corps of Christians in faith and religion which M. Abbot before did in plaine wordes confesse see his text afore vvhere he beginneth to argue of the word Catholike And the reason is most perspicuous why the Iewes and their religion could not be called Catholike though it vvere right and according to the wil of God for that time because Catholike signifieth that which is spread al the world ouer and receiued of al nations so was not the law of Moises and the manner of seruing God therein prescribed but vvas peculiar vnto the children of Israel and as it were confined within the limits of one land and country vvherefore it could not be called Catholike and vniuersal And M. Abbot was greatly deceiued or else goeth about to deceiue others when for proofe of communicating with the Catholike Church he recoileth back vnto the beginning of the vvorld Why did he not rather shew that their new Gospel flourished in al countries assoone as the Christian faith vvas planted and that it hath continued in al ages since the Apostles daies vntil our time that had beene to haue spoken directly to the purpose which he seldome vseth But he saw that to be a worke to hard for Hercules and therefore to delude his reader and to lead him from the matter he flieth vp to the old farne-daies of Abel Noē Abraham c. as though they had reuealed vnto them al those particular points of faith which Christ taught his Apostles and the same religion and manner of vvorshipping God that we Christians haue which is flatly opposite to the doctrine of S. Paul who testifieth Ephes 3. v. 4. That the mistery of Christ vnto other generations was not knowne vnto the Sonnes of men as now it is reuealed vnto his holy Apostles and Prophets in the spirit Those ancient Patriarkes as men Hebr. 11. vers 13. looking a farre off at the daies of Christ the light of the vvorld did not discouer so distinctly the misteries of the Christian faith as the Apostles vvho vvere Iob. 6. v. 45. taught by his owne mouth and made to know Ioh. 15. v. 15. al his Fathers secretes and had ¶ * Rom. 8. vers 23. the first fruits of the spirit in best sort to vnderstand them and carry them away To be short our Sauiour hath decided this question and saith in expresse wordes Math. 13. vers 17. Many Prophets and just men haue desired to see the thinges that you see and haue not seene them and to beare the thinges that you heare and haue not heard them Obserue then how absurdly M. Abbot behaueth himselfe in this matter First he vseth tergiuersation in leaping so farre backe from the point of the question seeking communion with the Catholike Church some thousandes of yeares before there vvas any Church Catholike Secondly in auouching the ancient founders of the first world to haue beleeued clearely and particularly al the articles of faith that vve beleeue or else why doth he conclude that the Roman faith is not Catholike because in that old and hoare-headed world some branches of their faith were not sprong vp and of ful growth They did not saith he worship Idols and Images they did not pray to Saints c. But good Sir did they beleeue that al their children vvere to be baptised and that al persons of riper yeares among them were to receiue the holy Sacrament of Christes body yea can M. Abbot demonstrate that they had perfect faith of the most holy and blessed Trinity beleeuing distinctly in three persons and one God or that the redeemer of the world Christ Iesus was to be perfect God and perfect man the nature of man in him subsisting vvithout the proper person of man in the second person of the Trinity which are the most high misteries of our Christian faith I am not ignorant that albeit those ancient Patriarkes and Prophets had not cleare and distinct knowledge of many articles vvhich vve are bound to beleeue yet they beleeued some few of them in particular and had a certaine confuse and darke conceit by figures and tipes of most of the rest Touching these very points vvhereof M. Abbot would haue them vvholy ignorant if his bare vvord without any manner of proof were so powerful I affirme that they held the most of them vvhich I wil not stand here to proue at large for that were Protestant-like to runne from one question to another without order but I wil only giue a touch to euery one of his instances referring the reader for more ful satisfaction to the proper place of those head controuersies First no Catholike euer taught any man to worship Idols let that then passe as a Protestant slander but that Images are to be placed in Churches the examples recorded in the old Testament of hauing them both in their a Exod. 25. vers 18. Tabernacle and in the b 3. Reg. 6. vers 23. Temple of Salomon this sentence of the Psalmist c Psalm 98. vers 5. Adore his foote-stoole and many such like places and resemblances doe argue very strongly that Images are to be worshipped Secondly inuocation of Angels is most plainly practised by the holy Patriarke Iacob the Father of al
Soueraigne power that the high Priest of the old testament had ouer al the rest Deuter. 17. To determine and end al doubts and controuersies arising about any hard point of the law As for consecrating of Priests and hallowing of Churches and Altars vvith al vestiments and ornaments thereunto appertaining and for the seueral feasts and fasts there is so great resemblance betweene them and vs that Protestants commonly cry out against vs for the ouer-great affinity that is betwixt the old law and our religion But as they are to be reproued of indiscreet zeale against the rites of Moises law vvhich were of God and good for the time and most of them figures and tipes of the law of grace according to that of the Apostle 1. Cor. 10. Al thinges chanced to them in figure and were written for our correction and instruction so on the other side some strange defluxion and distillation of corrupt humours maruailously darkned M. Abbots soare-eies that he could not discerne nor finde in the whole law of Moises any one shadow of that vvhich vve now practise May not these worthy wordes which S. Paul pronounced of the blinded Iewes in his time be verified of him 2. Cor. 4. Their sences were dulled vntil this day when Moises is read a veile is put vpon their hart that is they reading and hearing the law of Moises doe no more vnderstand it then doth a man hoodded or that hath a veile before his eies see what is before him or else M. Abbot reading the old Testament could not choose but haue seene much of our religion and many articles of our faith there recorded And albeit we teach most misteries of our faith to haue beene in the law of Moises prefigured and fore-told yet is it very absurd to say as M. Abbot doth that we beleeue no more articles of faith then they did for we were by the Sonne of God our blessed Sauiour giuen to vnderstand many high points of beleefe vvhich vvere not reuealed vnto them as hath beene before declared And much more reprochful is it to hold as he doth That we worship God after the same manner as they did for then should vve sacrifice to him beefes muttons calues and lambes and our sacrificers should be of Aarons issue and order and vve al circumcised I omit al their ceremonies because M. Abbot excepteth them And if the Protestants doe altogether pray as they did and in the same tearmes as M. Abbot affirmeth them to doe they sometimes then doe pray vnto God to Exod. 32. vers 13. remember Abraham Isaac and Iacob and for their sakes to take mercy on them for to that effect in those tearmes praied the Prophet Moises and that according vnto those Patriarkes Genes 48. vers 16. expresse order and commandement Whereunto if it please the Protestants to joine that other praier of the Psalmist ¶ * Psal 131. Remember ô Lord Dauid and al his mildnesse let them tel me whither this smal praier with which they finde so great fault Tu per Thomae sanguinem c. Thou ô Lord for that blouds sake which thy seruant shedde in defence of thy holy Church take compassion vpon vs be not vvarranted for good by example of the like recorded in the old Testament For if they then did desire God to remember the excellent vertues of his seruants and for their sakes to shew mercy to others vvhy may not we doe the same now vvhy may we not as wel beseech God to remember the constant fortitude of S. Thomas as they did the mildnesse of Dauid I vvil not dwel vpon these impertinent and loose follies which al that be not babes may of them selues easily discry but doe out of the premises inferre first that no religion was to be called Catholike before the Gospel of Christ vvas preached or to be preached to al nations and therefore the law of Moises being peculiar to one people and country could not be called Catholike secondly that the Roman faith and religion is very conformable to that of the Patriarkes and Prophets as the verity is to the figure vvhence it followeth that the Protestants new deuises hold no due correspondence with them I haue already confuted this his assertion That Christ at his comming confirmed the faith and religion of the Iewes without any additions of his owne and commended it simply and nakedly only stripping it of types and shadowes to be preached to al nations And here I adde that then Christians may yet haue many vviues together as the Iewes had or giue their wiues vpon any displeasure a lâ—bel of diuorse for these vvere no shadowes nor ceremonies And briefly it should follow thereof that al that part of their law that doth belong to justice and judgement stands stil in ful force and vertue among vs Christians vvhich is most opposite to the determination of the Apostles in the first Councel holden at Hierusalem where it was plainly decided that Act. 15. vers 28. we Christians were not bound to keepe the old law Againe if the Apostles vvere simply and nakedly to preach vnto the Gentiles the law of Moises stript of tipes and shadowes why were they coÌ„manded to preach vnto them the Sacrament of baptisme or of our Lords supper vvhich are no vvhere commanded in the law of Moises Wel let this then passe as a most notorious and grosse ouersight But the Apostles saith he added nothing of their owne vvhich is very false for many thinges vvere left by our Sauiour to their disposition vvhereupon S. Paul saith 1. Cor. 11. vers 34. Caetera cùm venero disponain I wil dispose of the rest when I come and vvas further bold to say 1. Cor. 7. vers 12. Haec dico ego non Dominus For the rest I say not our Lord. M. Abbot goes on belying the Apostle saying ¶ * Rom. 12. and they preached only the Gospel promised before by the Prophets where he corrupteth the Text by adding the word only and vveaueth into that Text to the Romans these wordes out of the Acts of the Apostles Act. 26. vers 22. saying none other thinges then those which the Prophets and Moises did say should come where he both mangleth the Text and also breaks off in the middest of a sentence that it might seeme appliable to al points of the Apostles preachings vvhich the Apostle applieth only to Christs death and resurrection and the preaching and carrying of light vnto the Gentiles It is a peece of strange alchumy to distil out of these wordes of the Apostle that they preached nothing but the same faith and religion vvhich the Iewes embraced S. Paul saith that be had preached nothing of Christs death and resurrection and that he was the light of the Gentiles but that vvhich the Prophets did speake should come to passe M. Abbot of his owne head enlargeth this his speech to al other points of our faith Againe al is besides the
we are justified not by faith alone but also by good workes That in extremity of sicknesse we must cal for the Priest to anoile vs with holy Oile That we must confesse our sinnes not to God alone but also vnto men these and diuers such like heades of our Catholike faith formally set downe in holy Scripture the Protestants wil not beleeue though they be written in Gods vvord neuer so expresly but doe ransacke al the corners of their wits to deuise some odde shift or other how to flie from the euidence of them Whereupon I conclude that they doe not receiue al the written word though they professe neuer so much to allow of al the bookes of Canonical Scripture Lib. 2. de Trinitate ad Const For the written word of God consisteth not in the reading but in the vnderstaÌ„ding as S. Hierome testifieth that is it doth not consist in the bare letter of it but in the letter and true sence and meaning joined togither the letter being as the body of Scripture and the right vnderstanding of it the soule spirit and life thereof he therefore that taketh not the written word in the true sence but swarneth from the sincere interpretation of it cannot be truly said to receiue the written word as a good Christian ought to doe Seing then that the Protestants and al other sectaries doe not receiue the holy Scriptures according vnto the most ancient and best learned Doctors exposition they may most justly be denied to receiue the sacred vvritten word of God at al though they seeme neuer so much to approue al the Bookes Verses and Letters of it vvhich is plainly proued by S. Hierome vpon the first Chapter to the Galathians Now to draw towardes the end of this clause not only neuer a one of M. Abbots assertions whereby he went about to proue them selues and their Church to be Catholike is true as hath beene shewed before but ouer and besides his very conclusion conuinceth himselfe euen by the verdict of himselfe to fal into the foule fault and errour of the Donatists Our faith saith he because it is that which the Apostles committed to writing is the Apostolike faith and our Church by consanguinity and agreement of doctrine is proue to be an Apostolical Church c. and is the only true Catholike Church c. see you not how he is come at length to proue their Church to be Catholike Page 16. Line 5. Ex perfectione doctrinae By perfectnesse of their doctrine vvhich was as he himselfe in this very assertion noted a plaine Donatistical tricke reproued by S. Augustine whom in that point he then approued What doating folly is this in the same short discourse so to forget himselfe as to take that for a sound proofe which he himselfe had before confuted as heretical we like wel of Tertullians obseruation That our faith ought to haue consanguinity and perfect agreement with the Apostles doctrine but that is not the question at this time but vvhether our doctrine or the Protestant be truly called Catholike that is whether of them hath beene receiued and beleeued in al nations ouer the world that is to be proued in this place M. Abbot if he had meant to deale plainly and soundly should not haue gone so about the bush and haue fetched such vvide and vvilde windlesses from old father Abrahams daies but should haue demonstrated by good testimony of the Ecclesiastical Histories or of ancient Fathers vvho were in the pure times of the Church the most Godly and approued Pastours thereof that the ProtestaÌ„ts religion had flourished since the Apostles daies ouer al Europe Afrike and Asia or at least had beene visibly extant in some one country or other naming some certaine Churches in particular which had held in al points their faith and religion vvhich he seing impossible for any man to doe fel into that extrauagant and rouing discourse which you haue heard concluding without any premises sauing his owne bare word that in the written word There is no mention made of the Pope or his Supremacy nor of his Pardons c. Belike there is no mention made of S. Peter nor aught said of his singular prerogatiues It hath not peraduenture That whatsoeuer be should loose on earth should be loosed in heauen The other points were touched before and shal be shortly againe But I would in the meane season be glad to heare where the written word teacheth vs that Kinges and temporal Magistrates are ordained by Christ to be vnder him supreme Gouernours of Ecclesiastical affaires because M. Abbot made choice of this head-article of theirs for an instance that the written word was plaine on their â—ide he should therefore at least haue pointed at some one text or other in the new Testament where it is registred that Princes are supreme gouernours of the Church Nay are temporal Magistrates any Ecclesiastical persons at al or can one that is no member of the Ecclesiastical body be head of al the rest of the Ecclesiastical members or is the state Secular higher and more worthy then the Ecclesiastical and therefore meete to rule ouer it though they be not of it to say so is to preferre the body before the soule nature before grace earth before heauen or is it meete and decent that the lesse worthy-member should haue the supreme command ouer the more honourable vvhere the Christian vvorld is turned topsy-turuy that may be thought meete and expedient but in other places that wil not be admitted for currant vvhich in it selfe is so disorderly and inconuenient without it had better warrant in the word of God then that new position of theirs hath ROBERT ABBOT NOw vvhereas he alleageth that al his Majesties most roial Progenitours haue liued and died in that vvhich he calleth the Catholike and Apostolike faith Ambros lib. 5. epist. he plaieth the part of Symmachus the Pagan sophister who by like argument vvould haue perswaded Valentinian the Emperour to restore their Heathenish Idolatry and abhominations We are to follow our Fathers saith he who with happinesse and felicity followed their Fathers Aug. psal 54. Thus men haue hardned themselues in their heresies saying What my parents were before me the same wil I be But his Majesty wel knoweth that in matter of religion the example of parents is no band to the children L. 2. epist 3. but the trial thereof is to returne to the roote and original of the Lordes tradition as Ciprian speaketh not regarding what any before vs hath thought fit to be done but what Christ hath done who is before al. It is not vnknowne to his Majesty that there should be a time when Apocal. 17. vers 13. the Kinges of the earth shal giue their power and kingdome to the beast vntil the word of God be fulfilled and with the whoore sitting vpon many waters Vers 14. should bende themselues to fight against the Lambe Wherein if any of his Progenitours
censured a base and beggarly vassal for shewing my selfe sorrowful for my Princes misfortune what stile deserues he for such outragious reproches bealched forth against the highest Bishop of Christes Church Now whereas M. Abbot boldly auerreth That thereby his Majesty hath learned to cast off the yoke of bondage by which other Princes are enthralled to a beast sauing his reuerence I answere that other Kinges nourished in countries accounted as ciuil to say the least as Scotland vvil not change that their bondage vvith his Majesties supposed liberty and freedome because they hold it farre better to enjoy the direction and assistance of the Bishop of Rome for the vniforme and peacible gouernement of their Clergy according vnto the ancient Canons of the Church then either to take it into their owne handes or to cōmit it to the discretion of Consistory Ministers or to any other sort of late deuised Ecclesiastical plat-formes Godly wise and vnderstanding Kings vvil no doubt consider that some who perswade them to cast off such yokes are very false Parasites no sound and true harted subjects because it is said of Kinges out of il counsel in the second Psalme Let vs breake their bandes and let vs cast from vs their yoke vvhereas contrariwise in the same place the spirit of God speakes thus to Princes Apprehendite disciplinam Receiue discipline that is obserue al good orders and take correction least that our Lord waxe angry with you and then you perish from the right way And if they themselues should so much forget their duty to God and respect to his holy Church as to seeke the vtter ruine and subuersion of it yet very reason teacheth them that it is farre more safe orderly and expedient that there should be one only supreme Pastour assisted with the graue counsel of some of the wiser sort of euery Christian country as the Popes holinesse is with the counsel of his most graue wise and learned Cardinals to controule and correct them then to be left to the mercy of the Ministers of euery country and to the tumultuous reformation of the rash and giddy multitude who by the cōmon consent of the best learned Protestants must take their Prince in hand and belabour him if he goe about to oppresse the Gospel as hath beene before proued To proceede is it not a rare pranke of a parasite to auouch that an ancient student in diuinity must needes stand dumbe like an Asse before his Majesty and not be able to answere him one word in his owne profession but the Church the Church the Fathers the Fathers I vvish hartily that his excellent Majesty would match me with no meaner a man then Doctor Abbot he that professeth himselfe able to stoppe al mens mouthes to alleage not only the Church and the Fathers but the Scripture the Scripture and by his Highnesse authentike judgement approue him to haue the better cause that can pertinently cite most plaine texts of Scripture for their religion I make no doubt but the Protestant part notwithstāding their common craking of the vvord of God should goe to the ground Marry vvhen vve auouch holy Scripture for vs in as expresse tearmes as can be deuised they wil not yeeld but deuise most extrauagant glosses to fly from the euident testimony of Gods most holy word whereupon we are compelled to make recourse vnto the definition of the Church of God Iob. 16. v. 13. Which is guided by the spirit of God vnto al truth and vnto the learned commentaries of the most ancient holy and juditious Fathers vvho vvere for their times appointed by the holy Ghost to rule and instruct the same his Church that seing how they vnderstood the holy Scriptures vve may by their euen and vnpartial line and square direct our judgement in the true sence of holy Scripture vvhich is the principal cause why we rely so much vpon the Church and Fathers and for vvhich he so scornefully vpbraideth vs vvith the Church the Church the Fathers the Fathers And here to returne one of M. Abbots sharpe wordes vpon himselfe vvhat a dissembling hipocrite was he to say that when al was done we could not make any thing good by either Church or Fathers Sect. 9. 10. when as he himself doth plainly confesse that S. Augustine S. Hierome Epiphanius and diuers other Fathers be flat for vs and is driuen roundly to deny their authority and to preferre the opinions of condemned Heretikes Iouinian Vigilantius and Aërius before these most renowmed Doctors and Pastors As grosse and palpable an vntruth is that vvhich followeth That the Catholikes be not heauily persecuted by the state whereas al their goodes and chattels be vvholy confiscate and two partes of their landes their bodies at pleasure subject to prison there to lie without baile or mainprise their persons daily in danger of death for receiuing or any vvay maintaining their Pastours to omit al other their oppressions which be almost innumerable but belike because al Catholikes be not by most cruel death suddainly made away this Minister of bloud accounteth their persecution light and easie And vvhereas he so enlargeth the short and smal persecution of their bretheren I doe offer to joine with him in this issue that more Catholike Priests Religious men and others haue beene tormented murthered and most despitefully slaine by men of their religion within the compasse of two Realmes France and England during the only time of Queene Elizabeth her raigne then were of Protestants and men of al other Sects for a thousand yeares before in those countries yea take to them also al Spaine and Italy The Donatists and al other sectaries doe suffer persecution as S. Augustine truly saith for their obstinate folly vvhat of that ergo whosoeuer suffereth persecution for his religion is a foole what a foolish reason in this then were the Apostles and al the best Christians fooles But M. Abbot saith We be children and can yeeld no reason for that we suffer but what ignorance affordeth vs to wit we must cleaue to the Church and follow our fore-fathers Surely that were a foule fault that we as children should obey our Mother the holy Church and follow the faith and religion of our fore-fathers But first it is most palpably false that we can yeeld no other reason for our religion as our bookes euidently doe conuince Then if we had no other reason but that one it alone were sufficient for it is an article of our Creede to beleeue the Church and S. Paul assureth vs 1. Tim. 3. vers 15. That the Church is the pillar and ground of truth vvhereupon this is receiued as a principle of faith among the ancient Fathers allowed euen by Protestants themselues That he that hath not the Church to his Mother shal neuer haue God to his Father he therefore that cleaueth fast vnto the firme pillar of the Church and followeth her precepts as of a most faithful Mother can neuer goe astray
Finally he doth absurdly apply S. Augustines wordes spoken against the Donatists to vs they vvil much better fit the Protestants vvho imitate their errours in most points as I haue proued already who also may be more aptly resembled to children that stand in neede of a rodde because their religion is euery vvay childish as being young and of late borne phantastical and without any sound ground of mature judgement as changeable also as children according to the diuers humour of the state and time SECT 4. W. BISHOP VERY many vrgent and forcible reasons might be produced in fauour and defence of the Catholike Roman religion whereof diuers haue beene already in most learned Treatises tendered to your Majesty wherefore I wil only touch three two chosen out of the subject of this booke the third selected from a sentence of your Majesty recorded in the aforesaid conference And because that argument is as most sensible so best assured which proceedeth from a principle either euident in it selfe or else granted and confessed to be true my first proofe shal be grounded vpon that your Highnesse resolute and constant opinion recorded in the said conference Page 75. to wit That no Church ought to separate it selfe further from the Church of Rome either in doctrine or ceremony then shee hath departed from her selfe when shee was in her most flourishing and best estate from whence I deduce this reason The principal pillars of the Roman Church in her most flourishing estate taught in al points of religion the same doctrine that shee nâ—w holdeth and teacheth and in expresse tearmes condemneth for errour and heresie most of the articles which the Protestants esteeme as chiefe partes of their reformed Gospel therefore if your Majesty wil resolutely embrace and constantly defend that doctrine which the Roman Church maintained in her most flourishing estate you must forsake the Protestant and take the Catholike into your Princely and Roial protection ROBERT ABBOT YOV talke M. Bishop of many vrgent and forcible reasons but you talke as your fellowes doe like mount-bankes and juglers You haue much prating and many wordes but your reasons vvhen they are duly examined are as light as feathers before the vvinde neither vvould they seeme other to your owne followers but that you bewitch them with this principle that they must read nothing written on our part for answere to them we see your vrgent and forcible reasons in this booke vvhich you tel vs is the marrow and pith of many volumes I doubt not but by that time I haue examined the same your owne pupils and schollers if they reade the answere wil account you a meere seducer a cosener and abuser of them and wil detest you accordingly But to beginne withal you offer three reasons to his Majesty in this your Epistle for the justifying of your Romish religion for the impeaching of ours Two chosen out of the subject of this booke the third selected from a sentence of his Majesty Now if these reasons proue reasonlesse then your reason M. Bishop should haue taught you more manners and duty then thus to trouble his Majesty vvith your reasonlesse reasons To examine them in order the first reason is grounded vpon a principle most judiciously soundly affirmed by his Majesty That no Church ought further to seperate it selfe from the Church of Rome in doctrine or ceremony then shee hath departed from her selfe when shee was in her flourishing best estate and which is subtilly left out by M. Bishop from Christ her Lord and head For seeing it cannot be denied that the Church of Rome vvas once sound and vpright in faith the Apostle bearing witnesse Rom. 1. That their faith was published throughout the world it must needes follow that vvhat shee hath not since that time altered is stil vpright and sound and therefore to be embraced Now from thence M. Bishop argueth thus The principal pillars of the Church of Rome in her most flourishing estate taught in al points the same doctrine that shee now teacheth and in expresse tearmes did condemne of heresie most of the articles of our religion ergo c. but soft and faire M. Bishop there is no hast c. WILLIAM BISHOP TRVE there is no hast indeede for M. Abbot comes faire and soft to the matter What a number of idle vaunting wordes and vaine repetitions be here as though any juditious man vvere to be perswaded by bare wordes and voluntary supposals before he see any proofe S ir I doubt not but the indifferent reader vvil suspend his judgement and deeme nere the worse of my vvriting for your empty censure til he see good reason to the contrary Sure I am that some Catholikes hauing read your booke doe like much the better of mine and esteeme yours a very fond peece of worke ful of babble lies and foule wordes void of found proofes and farre from common ciuility Who are more circumspect then you your selues to keepe your followers from reading our bookes vvho first imprison any that wil helpe to print them then set fines on al their heades that shal keepe them and make very diligent search after them so that al these common wordes may most truly be returned vpon your selfe Mutato nomine de te narratur fabula You note that I subtilly left out of his Majesties speech from Christ her Lord and head but shew no cause why and no maruaile for none indeede can be shewed they are needlesse wordes as being comprehended in the former For if the Church of Rome departed not from her selfe vvhen shee was in her most flourishing and best estate shee cannot depart from Christ her Lord and head vvherefore to note this for a subtle tricke giueth the reader cause to note you for a wrangler and one that is very captious where no cause is offered M. Abbot comes at length to my first reason and goeth about to disproue it thus ROBERT ABBOT WE hope you wil not deny but the Apostle S. Paul was one principal pillar of the Church of Rome vvho there shed his bloud He vvrote an Epistle to that Church vvhen the faith thereof was most renowmed throughout the world He vvrote at large comprehending therein as * Theodor. in praefat epist Pat. li. Theodoret saith doctrine of al sortes or al kinde of doctrine Et accuratam copiosamue dogmatum pertractationem An exact and plentiful handling of al points thereof Now in al that Epistle what doth he say either for you or against vs nay what doth he not say for vs against you he condemneth the Rom. 1. v. 23. changing the glory of the incorruptible God into the similitude of the Image of a corruptible man and worshipping the creature in steede of the creatour It is for vs against you for you by your schoole-trickes doubt not to teach men by the Image of a man to worship God and by religious deuotion of praiers and offerings to worship Saints and Saints Images
ABBOT PAVL saith the Rom. 8 v. 18. sufferinges of this time are not worthy of the glory that shal be reuealed vnto vs but you say they are vvorthy WILLIAM BISHOP I Say that M. Abbot hath gotten such a custome of abusing Gods word that he scarce alleageth one sentence of it vvithout one paltry shift or other The wordes of S. Paul truly translated are Our sufferinges are not worthy to the glory or as our English phrase is are not to be compared to the glory of c. that is our labours or paines are not either so great and waighty or of so long endurance as be the joies of heauen yet through the dignity which we receiue by being made members of Christ and by the vertue of Gods grace wherewith those workes be wrought and by the promise of God both we are accounted vvorthy of heauen according to S. Pauls owne phrase 2. Thessal 1. vers 5. Which persecutions you sustaine that you may be counted worthy the Kingdome of God and our sufferinges meritorious of life euerlasting vvhich S. Paul doth very precisely teach vvhere he saith that 2. Cor. 4. vers 17. our tribulation which for the present is momentary and light yet worketh aboue measure exceedinglie an eternal waight of glory in vs we not considering the thinges that are seene but that are not seene and else vvhere is bold to say 2. Tim. 4. vers 8. That God had laid vp for him a crowne of justice which our Lord wil render to me in that day a just Iudge and not only to me but to them also that loue his comming If God as a just Iudge render the joies of heauen as a crowne of justice then were they before justly deserued and the sufferinges of them that deserued them vvere in just proportion worthy of them Thus briefly any indiffereÌ„t reader may perceiue how farre S. Paul being rightly taken is from affording any reliefe vnto the Protestant cause They doe now as many vnlearned and vnstable men did euen in his owne time witnesse S. Peter 2. Pet. 3. vers 16. depraue and misvse certaine sentences of his hard to be vnderstood to their owne perdition and to the deceiuing and vndoing of their followers for in al his Epistles being vnderstood as he meant them there is not one word or sillable that maketh for the Protestants or any other sectaries and plenty there are of plaine texts for the most points of the Catholike faith A tast vvhereof I wil giue you as soone as I shal haue made an end of answering vnto this his idle discourse ROBERT ABBOT PAVL saith nothing for those points for the denial vvhereof M. Bishop condemneth vs. Nothing for the justification before God by vvorkes nothing for free-wil nothing for Relikes nothing for the merit of single life nothing for praier for the dead nothing for traditions nothing for any of the rest Now in this case M. Bishop it had beene fit that you should by very good reason haue satisfied his Majesty how it should be probable or possible that the Apostle writing at large to the church of Rome should not once mention any of those maine points wherein the religion of the Church of Rome now vvholy consisteth if the Church of Rome vvere then the same that now it is That he should say nothing of the prerogatiue of that Church nothing of the Pope of his pardons of the Masse of transubstantiation of Monkish vowes of Images of pilgrimages of praier to Saints of al the rest of your baggage stuffe in a word that he should be a Papist yet should write nothing Rhem. Test. argum of the Epist in general but that in shew at least serueth the Protestants turne only we must be perswaded forsooth that where anything soundeth contrary to the Râ—mish faith we faile of the right sence But vndoubtedly M. Bishop either S. Paul vvas a Protestant or else he dealt very negligently in your behalfe S. Peter was another principal pillar of that Church the founder and head thereof as you perswade vs vvhat would he also forget his triple crowne vvould he say nothing for al these thinges not a word there is nothing hindreth in either of his Epistles but that he also must be taken for a ProtestaÌ„t Me thinkes here you should fare Erasmus de ratione as in another case Robertuâ— Liciensis did before the Pope you should spit and cry out fie vpon Peter fie vpon Paul would they not thinke these trash and trinkets of ours so much worth as to speake of them Ah these Protestants these Heretikes they say al for them and nothing at al for vs. But alas Peter and Paul had not heard any of these thinges and therefore no maruaile that they wrote nothing of them They reade Moyses and the Prophets they preached as Christ did according to the Scriptures the Catholike religion that had beene from the beginning of the world they continued betwixt the old and the new Testament vve see a vvonderful agreement but concerning Popery we see nothing WILLIAM BISHOP WE haue here a dainty dish of M. Abbots cookery a large rhetorical conclusion deducted out of leane thinne and weake premises He assaied to make a shew out of the Apostle that there was not a little which would serue the Protestants turne and cited to that purpose certaine sentences out of him but so properly that some of them indeed seemed to sound for him though they had in truth a farre different sence others had neither sence nor sound nor sillable for him Neuerthelesse as though he had gotten a great conquest he singeth a triumph and striketh vp a braue victory that al in Peter and Paul is for the Protestant nothing for the Papist Afterward as it were correcting himselfe he addes nothing but in shew at least serueth the Protestants turne vvhich is one of the truest wordes he there deliuereth The Protestants indeed be jolly nimble witted fellowes that can make any thing serue at least for a shew of their cause and when al other thinges faile thâ—m 2. Tim. 4. vers 4. Aâ— fabulas conuertuntur they turne their eares away from truth as the Apostle speaketh and fal to fables and one Robin good-fellow I vveene for lacke of a better is brought vpon the stage to spit and cry out Fie vpon Peter fie vpon Paul that had not remembred to say one word for Popery but al for the Protestant Fie I say vpon such a cause that must be vnder-propt vvith such rotten baggage stuffe What shadow of likely-hood is there that one should tel the Pope such a tale to his face or that Erasmus vvho vvas in most points a Catholike should report it or could there be any poore Robin excepting M. Abbots himselfe so simple and poore-blinde that in al the writings of those blessed Apostles he could not finde one vvord that gaue any sound or shew for the Catholike cause you haue heard already that I
fiercely bent to deceiue others that he cared not vvhat vntruth he vttered The Apostle maketh honourable mention of Hebr. 9. vers 4. 5. the Images of the Cherubins placed gloriously in the vppermost part of the Israelites Tabernacle which for the holinesse thereof was called Sancta sanctorum Further that within the Arke of the testament standing in the same place vvere reserued pretious Relikes as the rodde of Aaron that blossomed a golden pot ful of that Angelical foode Manna which God rained from heauen and the Tables of the Testament to vvhich if you joine the sentence of the same Apostle 1. Cor. 10. vers 11. That al hapned to them in figure and were written for our instruction may not vve then gather thereby that Images are to be placed in Churches and holy Relikes in golden shrines And the same Apostle in the same Epistle declaring Hebr. 11. vers 21. that Iacob by faith adored the toppe of Iosephs â—odde vvhich was a signe of his power doth he not giue al juditious men to vnderstand that the Images of Saints for their holy representation ought to be respected and worshipped With as great facility and no lesse perspicuity we doe collect out of S. Paul that the Saints in heauen are to be praied vnto for he doth Rom. 15 30. 2. hartily craue the Romans to helpe him in their praiers and hopeth by the helpe of Cor. 1. vers 11. the Corinthians praiers to be deliuered from great dangers Whence we reason thus If such a holy man as S. Paul was stood in neede of other mens praiers much more neede haue we poore vvretches of the praiers of Saints S. Paul was not ignorant how ready God is to heare vs nor of the only mediation of Christ IESVS and yet as high as he was in Gods fauour and as wel informed of the office of Christs mediation he held it needful to request other farre meaner then himselfe to pray for him Al this is good saith a good Protestant for to instruct vs to request the helpe of other mens praiers that are liuing with vs but not of Saints who are departed this world Yes say we because the Saints in heauen are more charitable and desirous of Gods honour and of our spiritual good then any friend we haue liuing and therefore more forward to assist vs vvith their praiers They are also more gratious in the sight of God and thereby better able to obtaine our requests Al vvhich may easily be gathred out of S. Paul vvho saith that 1. Cor. 13.8 charity neuer faileth but is maruailously encreased in that heauenly country Also that Ephes 2. vers 19. we are not strangers and forraigners to the Saints but their fellow cittizens and the houshold seruants of God with them yea we are members of the same body wherefore they cannot choose but tender most dearely al our sutes that appertaine vnto the glory of God our owne saluation They therefore haue finally no other shift to auoide praying to Saints but to say that though al other circumstances doe greatly moue vs thereto yet considering that they cannot heare vs it is labour lost to pray to them To vvhich we reply and that out of S. Paul that the Saints can heare vs and doe perfectly know our praiers made vnto them For the Apostle comparing the knowledge of this life vvith that of the life to come saith 1. Cor. 13. vers 9.10 12. De Ciuitat Dei lib. 22. cap. 29. In part we know and in part we prophecy but when that shal come which is perfect that shal be made voide which is in part And a little after We see now by a glasse in a darke sort but then face to face Whence not I but that Eagle-eied Doctor S. Augustine doth deduce that the knowledge of the heauenly cittizens is without comparison farre more perfect and clearer then euer any mortal mans vvas of thinges absent and to come yea that the Prophets vvho vvere indued with surpassing and extraordinary light did not reach any thing neare vnto the ordinary knowledge of the Saints in heauen grounding himselfe vpon these expresse wordes of the Apostle We prophecy in part that is imperfectly in this life which shal be perfect in heauen If then saith he the Prophets being mortal men had particular vnderstanding of thinges farre distant from them and done in other countries much more doe those immortal soules replenished with the glorious light of heauen perfectly know that which is done on earth though neuer so farre from them thus much of praying to Saints Now to the Masse The same profound diuine S. Augustine with other holy Fathers vvho were not wont so lightly to skimme ouer the Scriptures as our late new Masters doe but seriously searched them and most deepely pearced into them did also finde al the partes of the Masse touched by the Apostle S. Paul in these vvordes Aug. epist 59 ad PaulinuÌ„ Ambros Chrisost in hunc locum 1. Tim. 2. v. 1. I desire that obsecrations praiers postulations thanks-giuings be made for al men c. declaring how by these foure wordes of the Apostles are expressed the foure different sort of praiers vsed in the celebration of the holy Misteries By obsecrations those praiers that the Priest saith before consecration By praiers such as be said at and after the coÌ„secration vnto the end of the Pater noster By postulations those that are said at the communion vnto the blessing of the people Finally By thanks-giuing such as are said after by both Priest and people to giue God thankes for so great a gift receiued He that knowes what the Masse is may by these wordes of the Apostle see al the partes of it very liuely painted out in this discourse of S. Augustine vvho though he calleth not that celebration of the Sacrament by the name of Masse yet doth he giue it a name equiualent Epistola 59. Sacri Altaris oblatio the oblation or sacrifice of the holy Altar in the solution of the fift question at the exposition of these vvordes Orationes As for the principal part of the Masse vvhich is the Real presence of Christes body in the blessed Sacrament S. Paul deliuereth it in as expresse tearmes as may be euen as he had receiued it from our Lord 1. Cor. 11. vers 23. This is my body which shal be deliuered for you c. and addeth that he that eateth and drinketh it vnworthily eateth and drinketh judgement to himselfe not discerning the body of our Lord. And in the chapter before makes this demande The Chalice or cup of benediction which we blesse is it not the communication of the bloud of Christ and the bread which we breake is it not the participation of the body of our Lord Moreouer he speaketh of the Church of Rome being then but in her cradle most honourably saying Your faith is renowmed in the whole world and after Rom. 1.
v. 8. Rom. 16. vers 19. Your obedience is published into euery place But no maruaile to the vvise though he did not then make mention of her Supremacy for that did not belong to the Church or people of Rome but to S. Peter vvho vvhen S. Paul wrote that Epistle vvas scarse vvel setled there neither did that appertaine to the matter he created of Of pardons S. Paul teacheth in formal tearmes which both the Church of Corinth and he himselfe gaue vnto the incestuous Corinthian that then repented these be his wordes 2. Cor. 2. vers 10. And whom you haue pardoned any thing I also for my selfe also that which I haue pardoned if I haue pardoned any thing for you in the person of Christ that we be not circumuented of Sathan What can be more manifest then that the Apostle did release some part of the penance of that incestuous Corinthian at other mens request vvhich is properly to giue pardon and indulgence And if S. Paul in the person of Christ could so doe no doubt but S. Peter could doe as much and consequently other principal Pastours of Christes Church haue the same power and authority The last of M. Abbots instances is That S. Paul saith nothing of traditions wherein he sheweth himselfe not the least impudent for the Apostle speaketh of them very often He desireth the Romans to Rom. 16. vers 17. marke them that make dissentions and scandals contrary to the doctrine which you haue learned and to auoide them but the doctrine that they had then learned before S. Paul sent them this Epistle vvas by vvord of mouth and tradition for little or none of the new Testament was then written vvherefore the Apostle teacheth al men to be auoided that dissent from doctrine deliuered by tradition And in the Actes of the Apostles it is of record how S. Paul vvalking through Siria and Silicia confirming the Churches Act. 15. v. 41 Commanded them to keepe the precepts of the Apostles and of the Ancients Item vvhen they passed through the citties they Act. 16. v. 4. deliuered vnto them to keepe the decrees that were decreed by the Apostles and Ancients which were at Hierusalem and the Churches were confirmed in faith c. Where it also appeareth that those decrees vvere made matter of faith and necessary to be beleeued to saluation before they vvere written He doth also charge his best beloued disciple Timothy 1. Tim. 6. vers 20. To keepe the depositum that is the vvhole Christian doctrine deliuered vnto him by word of mouth as the best Authours take it auoiding the prophane nouelty of voices and oppositions of falsly called knowledge Againe he commandeth 2. Tim. 2. vers 2. him to commend to faithful men the thinges which thou hast heard of me by many witnesses Was not this to preach such doctrine as he had receiued by Apostolike tradition without writing And further vvhich suppresseth al the vaine cauils of the sectaries he saith 2. Thessal 2. vers 15. Therefore bretheren stand and hold the traditions which you haue learned whether it be by word or by our Epistle where you see that some traditions went by word of mouth from hand to hand aswel as some others were vvritten and vvere as wel to be holden and stood too as the written proceeding from the same fountaine of truth Gods spirit Thus much in answere vnto the instances proposed by M. Abbot vvhich he very ignorantly and insolently auoucheth to haue no proofe or sound of proofe out of S. Paul I could vvere it not to auoide tediousnesse adde the like confirmation of most controuersies out of the same blessed Apostle as that 1. Tim. 3. vers 15. the Church is the pillar and ground of truth vvherefore any man may most assuredly repose his faith vpon her declaration That Christ gaue Ephes 4. v. 11. 13. Pastors and Doctors to the edifying of that his mistical body vntil we meete al in the vnity of faith c. Therefore the Church shal not faile in faith vntil the day of judgement nor be inuisible that hath visible Pastors and teachers Also Hebr. 5. vers 1. that Priests are chosen from among men and appointed for men in those thinges that appertaine to God that they may offer gifts and sacrifices for sinne That Preachers and 1. Cor. 3. v. 9. Priests are Gods coadjutors and helpers and not only idle instruments That S. Paul and Timothy 1. Cor. 9. vers 23. 1. did saue other men and therefore no blasphemy to pray to Saints to helpe and saue vs. That S. Paul did Tim. 4. vers 16. accomplish those thinges that want to the passions of Christ in his flesh for Christes body which is the Church therefore Christes passion doth not take away our owne satisfaction That he a Colloss 1. vers 24. 1. Cor. 9. vers 16. gloried in preaching the Gospel of free cost which was a worke of supererogation That b Ephes 5. vers 32. Marriage is a great Sacrament That c 1. Tim. 4. vers 23. grace was giuen to Timothy by the imposition of the handes of Priest-hood vvhence it followeth that Matrimony and holy Orders be true and perfect Sacraments But vvhat doe I I should be too long if I would prosecute al that which the Apostle hath left in vvriting in fauour defence of the Roman faith This I doubt not wil suffice to confront his shamelesse impudency that blushed not to affirme there vvas not a vvord in S. Paul that sounded for the Catholike but al in shew at least for the Protestant As for S. Peter I vvil wholy omit him because the Protestants haue smal confidence in him Here I may be bold I hope to turne vpon M. Abbot this dilemma and forked argument vvhich S. Augustine framed against the Manichean Adimantus Lib. 1. cont Adimant Hoc si imprudens fecit nihil caecius si autem sciens nihil sceleratius If M. Abbot did ignorantly affirme S. Paul to haue said nothing for the Roman Catholikes what could be more blind then not to be able to discerne any thing in such cleare light if he said it vvittingly knowing the contrary then did he it most vvickedly so to lie against his owne conscience to draw after him selfe other men into errour and perdition ROBERT ABBOT WEL M. Bishop let vs leaue Peter and Paul for heretikes let vs see vvhether those that succeeded did al teach the same doctrine that the Church of Rome now teacheth Hollinshead descript of Britan. ca. 7. Eleutherius the bishop of Rome being sent vnto by Lucius king of this realme for a copy of the Roman constitutions for the gouernement of this new conuerted Church and of the imperial lawes for the better ordering of his common wealth about 150. yeares after the death of Christ for answere writeth vnto him Annals of England by Iohn Stow. That hauing receiued in his Kingdome the law and
of al Churches Item In decreto de libris sacris Ecclesiasticis tom 2. Concil Distinct 15. Sancta Romana c. That the See Apostolike takes great heede that it be not stained with any touch of peruersity or any kinde of contagion Finally Gelasius assisted with seauenty other B shops doth declare the bookes of Wisdome Ecclesiasticus Tobias and of the Machabees to be Canonical Scripture and the Epistles Decretals of the ancient Bishops of Rome to be of sacred and sound authority and to be receiued vvith reuerence al vvhich the Protestants deny ROBERT ABBOT LEO Bishop of Rome speaking of the Martirs saith Epistola 81. That although the death of many Saints hath beene pretious in the Lordes sight yet the death of no innocent person hath beene the propitiation of the world that the righteous receiued crownes but gaue none and that the fortitude of the faithful haue growne examples of patience not gifts of righteousnesse that their deaths as they were seueral persons were seueral to euery of themselues and that none of them by his death paide the debt of any other man because it is only our Lord Iesus Christ in whom al were crucified al dead al buried al raised againe from the dead But now the Church of Rome hath changed that language and telleth vs that there are superabounding passions and satisfactions of the Saints Bellar. de Indulg l. 1. c. 2. Rhem. Annot. in col 1. v. 24 wherein they haue suffered more then is due for their owne sinnes vvhich doe serue to supply the necessity and want of others and that they doe thereby pay the debt of other men that hereof is growne a treasure in the Church of Rome which is to be dispensed and disposed by the Pope and that hence his Indulgences and pardons haue their ground WILLIAM BISHOP HERE are many vvordes of a right reuerend Father cited to smal purpose for the Church of Rome hath not yet changed one sillable of the same her old language Shee doth maintaine with S. Leo That no man how holy soeuer he were hath by his death or otherwise paid the ransome of any other mans sinnes or satisfied God for any one mortal sinne either of his owne or of any other mans but that it is Christ alone who with the price of his pretious bloud hath fully satisfied his Fathers justice for al and euery such deadly offence and for the eternal punishment which was due to the same and this is al that S. Leo teacheth Neuerthelesse we hold and that vvith S. Leo that after the guilt of such sinnes is through Christ released vs yet are we on our owne partes to endure some temporal punishment for the same offences by Christes order and appointment both to apply vnto vs the vertue of his owne sufferinges as also to make vs that are members of his body like vnto him our head Whereupon the Apostle saith Rom. 8. v. 17. That we be the sonnes of God and coheires with Christ Si tamen compatimur vt conglorificemur If yet we suffer with him that we may be glorified with him of this matter see more in the question of satisfaction This to be our doctrine M. Abbot could not be ignorant Page 118. because it is word by word deliuered euen by M. Perkins himselfe in that place Now that S. Leo vvas wel acquainted with such satisfactions as we on our partes are bound to make his learned workes doe yeeld plentiful testimony I wil cite but a place or two thus he answereth vnto Nicetus vvho did write vnto him to know how he should deale with some Christians vvho being taken prisoners of the Infidels had there among them polluted them selues with eating of meates offered vp to Idols Epist 77. c. 5. Let them saith Leo be purged with satisfaction of penance which is not so much to be weighed by length of time as by compunction of the hart And againe speaking of certaine Priests that were doing of penance he saith Wherefore such men as these who haue fallen Epist 99. ad Rusti cap. 2. must relieue themselues in priuate Ad promerendam misericordiam Dei To deserue the mercy of God Vt illis satisfactio si fuerit digna sit etiam fructuosa That the satisfaction may be fruitful to them if it be worthy that is if it be correspondent to their faults alluding to that of S. Iohn Baptist Math. 3. Doe fruites worthy of penance so that by the judgement of S Leo and the ancient practise of his time men that truly repented them of their sinnes vvhereby the guilt and eternal punishment was abolished were afterwardes put to penance and to doe worthy satisfaction and that not only to satisfie the cōgregation or other men as the Protestants fable vvho haue a greater care to please men then God but to be purged of their fault and to deserue mercy at Gods hand as S. Leo doth plainly teach Now that this temporal punishment which is due to euery Christian after the eternal is through Christ forgiuen him may be released and pardoned by the gouernours of the Chuch and principally by the Pope as chiefe Pastor thereof vnder Christ and that through the superaboundant sufferings of some others is a matter so wel knowne to Antiquity that he must needs confesse himselfe a very puny therein that thinketh it to be a new deuise of the late Church of Rome For that S. Gregory the great who liued aboue a thousand yeares past D. Tho. alij in 4. sent dist 20. instituted Stations to diuers Churches in Rome and granted great Indulgences and Pardons vnto al that with due preparation visited the same is so wel knowne that few learned Protestants doe doubt of it or dare deny it S. Leo himselfe vvho vvas S. Gregories Ancestor more then an hundred yeares in the said Epistle to Nicetus doth plainely signifie as much for he leaueth that enjoined penance of the conuerted party Epistola 77. numer 6. to the discreet moderation of the Bishop to be shortned and released as he shal see cause which is properly a Pardon or Indulgence Moreouer Pope Siluester vvho vvas S. Leo his Predecessour by more then an hundred yeares Antiodor l. 4. summae cap. de relaps at the request of S. Helen Constantine the great his mother consecrated a Chappel in Rome called Sancta Croce in Hierusalem the vvhich he did both beautifie and enrich with diuers Relikes of Saints and granted large Indulgences to al that should with deuotion visit the same as the ancient Records of the same place doe testifie And that the Pastours of other Countries yet more ancient then the former were very wel acquainted with this language of this superaboundant passions and satisfactions of some Saints let that most learned Archbishop of Carthage in Afrike glorious Martir S. Cyprian beare witnesse He instructing the Christian prisoners and most noble Confessours for vvhose triumphant sufferinges the vse
then was to grant Indulgence and release of penance vnto other penitent persons that had fallen aduiseth them to be very circumspect Lib. 3. epist 15. quaest 11. apud Pamelium before they graunted the participation of their passions vnto others and to weigh wel the measure of their offences that sued vnto them for such pardon and to commend vnto their Bishop and Clergie such only and that by their proper names Quorum poenitentiam satisfactioni proximam conspicitis Whose penance you see almost ended and very neere to due satisfaction vvhence an vnderstanding man may fully gather our vvhole doctrine of satisfaction and indulgences First that due penance is to be enjoined by the Ghostly father after humble and harty sorrow and acknowledgment of the fault Secondly that the same penance may be abridged and released by the Pastours of the Church Lastly that such fauour indulgence and release is made at the contemplation of other mens superaboundant passions And he addeth further in the same booke That without doubt Epistola 18. those penitents are mâ—ch holpen towardes the release of their sinnes with God and not only with the congregation by that communication of the Martirs sufferings to them And to mount yet higher this doctrine of Satisfaction and Indulgence is confirmed by that glorious Doctor of the Gentils S. Paul who first adjudged the incestuous Corinthian to a most grieuous penaÌ„ce for his sinnes afterward strooke off some part thereof by a special pardon saying 2. Cor. 2. vers 10. And whom yee haue pardoned any thing I also in the person of Christ And else where he declareth plainely that he himselfe had a part of those superaboundant passions which might be communicated to others saying 2. Tim. 2. vers 10. I suffer or sustaine al thinges for the elect that they also may obtaine the saluation which is in Christ IESV with heauenly glory And yet more that Colloss 1. vers 24. he did fulfil in his flesh those thinges that wanted of the passions of Christ for his body the Church Seing the blessed Apostle S. Paul doth so plainely teach that his owne sufferings were auailable to other mens saluation and that he fulfilled in his owne flesh that vvhich was wanting vnto other Christians must he not be a ranke Infidel that wil not beleeue any mans sufferinges sauing Christs to be able to helpe another or to supply the want or necessity of others And if it needed I could yet ascend to the old ancient daies of that blessed man Iob who had good store of those superaboundant passions as the holy Ghost speaking by his mouth doth testifie for he saith Iob 6. Would to God my sinnes by which I deserued wrath were weighed and the calamitie which I suffer in a balance this calamity of mine would euen like the sandes of the Sea appeare the heauier and more waighty Now good reader judge whether it be such strange newes to heare of superaboundant passions and satisfactions in the treasury of Gods Church and whether it be vnfit or vnlikely that the Bishop of Rome chief gouernour thereof should carry a special hand in the disposition of the same It is not then the Church of Rome that hath changed her ancient language but I could hartily wish that M. Abbot would learne once to change his vsual language and euil custome of calumniating her and of misconstruing the holy Fathers vvordes vvhich by the grace of God he may the sooner be perswaded to doe if he wil weigh wel that Apocal. 12. vers 9. DIABOLOS calumniator the great Dragon and old Serpent cast out of heauen is called Sathan and the Deuil for calumniating and misreporting of others vvherefore if he wil not be taken for one of the Deuils disciples he must needes giue ouer this shameful practise of falsifying the ancient Doctors sentences and of cauilling against that doctrine which they taught vnder colour of some of their darke speeches ROBERT ABBOT THE same Leo did not take vpon him to cal general Councels but when occasion of the heresie of Eutiches so required Leo Epist 9.23.24.31.42 47.48.49 Made request to the Emperour Theodosius that he would command a Councel and after intreated that he would appoint the same in some place of Italy which notwithstanding the Emperour would not but commanded it to be holden at Ephesus and Martianus after that at Chalcedon And that vvhen Leo againe would haue had it deferred to a better opportunity As in deede the affaires of the Church Socrat. lib. 5. hist in proem after that the Emperours were Christians seemed to depend vpon their wil and at their liking the greatest Councels were assembled as Socrates witnesseth Secundum sanctionem Imperialem per Imperialem sanctionem Synod 6. CoÌ„stant art 1. 4. 6. as the sixt Councel in Trullo often repeateth yea and so as the Emperour at his pleasure was President of the Councel as in that sixt Synode was Constantius the fourth But now the calling and presidency and confirmation of Councels is defended to belong wholy to the Pope as for Christian Emperors and Princes they haue nothing to doe but to send vvhen he calleth and to receiue vvhat he confirmeth The same Leo professed a Leo Epist 16. 17. his obedience to the Emperours appointment and wil to Theodosius and Martianus And Agatho the Bishop of Rome b Agath Epist ad Const Syno 6. ar 4. his due obedience to Constantius the fourth and what your Majesties clemency hath commanded saith he our seruice hath obediently performed the Emperor being honoured according to the ancient doctrine of the Church c Tertull. ad scop Apolog cap. 30. as next to God and inferiour to God only But since that time the Romish doctrine is that d Decr. Greg. de maiorit obed c. solite looke how much the Moone is lesse then the Sunne so much is the Emperour inferiour to the Pope and therefore they haue vvritten him e Catol test ver the Popes man and made him to hold his stiroppe and appoint him to hold the basin to him and to doe sundry other offices of seruice And to make al sure the Pope hath made him to sweare fidelity and alleageance to him f Clement de appellat cap. Pastoralis There is no doubt saith the Pope but we haue superiority ouer the Empire who doubteth but that Priests are the Fathers and Masters of Kinges and Princes Distinct 95. quis dubitet Distinct 96. Si Imperator Is it not miserable madnesse for the children to goe about to subject their fathers or schollers their masters and therefore Christian Emperours must subject their executions to the Ecclesiastical Prelate and not preferre them WILLIAM BISHOP LET it first be considered vvhat blunt and weake tooles the poore Protestants are forced to vse for want of better vveapons to vvound simple soules withal This and it please you is one of their mightiest
proofes for the Princes supremacy the Emperours some times called general Councels ergo they were supreme gouernors in causes Ecclesiastical a doubty argument as you may perceiue by the like A Lord calleth for his tenants being carpenters to build him a house ergo that Lord is the chiefest carpenter in the country If that Lord be not taken for supreme judge in the carpenters occupation though he had ful power to assemble the carpenters together vvhy shal the Emperour be esteemed chiefe gouernour in Ecclesiastical causes for that he hath authority to cal Ecclesiastical persons together Againe al men know that Ecclesiastical persons are in al temporal causes subject vnto temporal Princes who therefore may command them to meete together to compose contentions risen about spiritual causes vvhereby the temporal peace of his country is also much hindred and this may be wel done vvithout any pretence vnto soueraignity ouer them in spiritual matters so that if it were graunted that the Emperour had authority to cal general Councels yet it vvould not follow thereof that he were supreme head in Ecclesiastical causes much lesse can he be taken for supreme gouernour because the Popes gaue vnto the Emperours the cōmon and vsual wordes of courtesie as M. Abbot afterward very childishly reasoneth But let vs come to the ground-worke of the question I affirme then that though Emperour or King for the temporal command he hath ouer his spiritual subjects may cal them together vvhen there is just cause yet the soueraigne summoning of al Bishops Ecclesiastical persons to a general Councel doth not properly or principally belong to the Emperours but vnto the chiefe Pastour among them for very reason teacheth euery judicious man by induction through al societies it is most manifest that the chiefest member of any corporation or assotiation hath by instinct of nature that priuiledge of calling together the rest of that cōpany and corporation wherefore the lay Magistrate that is no proper member of the Ecclesiastical congregation cannot in natural reason and equity haue that power of assembling the Clergy together Besides no Christian Emperor had euer yet so much as temporal dominion ouer al Christendome those Christians then that were not his subjects at al could not be called together by his authority That their Empire vvhen it was at the largest vvas not so large as the bounds and limits of Christian religion S. Leo himselfe is witnesse in these wordes Sermon 1. in Natiuit SS Apost Petri Pauli Rome being made head of the world by the Chaire of S. Peter doth rule ouer more Countries by heauenly religion then by earthly dominion Againe since the Emperours became Christian not one hundred yeares together scarse did one Emperour command ouer al the Empire but lightly one gouerned in the East another ouer the West I would then gladly know to whether of them it belonged to cal general Councels or whether the Church of God must be destitute of such Councels vntil that matter were agreed vpon Further the calling of national prouincial Councels doth according vnto S. Augustine and Antiquity Aug. Ep. 217. Cal. lib. 4. Instit c. 7. n. 8. allowed therein by M. Caluin and the great hundred of * Centur. 4. c. 7. col 534. Magdeburge appertaine vnto the Primates and Metrapolitans of the same nation and prouince therefore by the like proportion it doth not appertaine to the Emperors but vnto the chief Patriarke of the Church to cal a general Councel That S. Leo on vvhose authority M. Abbot here doth stand tooke S. Peter first and after him the Bishops of Rome to be such I wil briefly proue thus he vvriteth Out of the whole world one Peter is chosen Serm. tert de Assumptione sua to haue chiefe charge of the vocation of the Gentils and is placed ouer the other Apostles and al the Fathers of the Church so that albeit there be among the people of God many Priests and many Pastours yet doth Peter peculiarly gouerne them ouer whom Christ doth principally raigne so that al temporal Princes who vvil not deny Christ to raigne ouer them must by S. Leos verdict acknowledge themselues subject in spiritual cases to S. Peter and his successours The same he doth confirme at large in an Epistle to the Bishops of the prouince of Vienna where he concludeth in these wordes To which S. Peter whosoeuer doth deny the primacy Epistola 87. he cannot in any sort diminish his dignity but puffed vp with the spirit of pride he doth drowne himselfe in the gulfe of hel Now least any man should take exceptions against S. Peters successours the Bishops of Rome though he vvould graunt the supremacy vnto S. Peter I adde that S. Leo in that second place doth rather speake of his owne authority vnder the name of S. Peter impugned then by Hilarius Bishop of Vienna then of S. Peters owne time Yet for more cleare demonstration of it Sermon 2. de anniuersario Assumptionis suae take these his wordes The disposition and order of truth doth continue and blessed Peter perseuering in the fortitude of a rocke hath not forsaken the gouernement of the Church which he vndertooke Peter I say doth to this day hold on and continue stil and liueth in his successours which he confirmeth in an hundreth places of his Epistles by me for breuities sake omitted contenting my selfe vvith that which he vvriteth in one letter vnto Anastasius Bishop of the Thessalonians to whom you shal see what authority he giues Epist 82. ad Anastasium Like as saith he my predecessours haue giuen to your predecessours euen so doe I following their example delegate vnto your charity the roome or charge of my gouernement that you imitating our mildenesse may helpe vs in the care which we owe vnto al Churches by the institution of God principally and that you may in a sort represent the presence of our visitation vnto prouinces farre distant from the Apostolical See of Rome For by reason of your nearenesse to them you may more readily see what matters and in what manner either you your selfe may by your diligence compose or else reserue vnto our judgement vvhere going on according to the Canons of the holy Fathers made by the spirit of God to vse his owne wordes he giues to that Bishop of Thessalonia dignity and authority ouer many Metrapolitanes of diuers prouinces That none be chosen without his priuity but al confirmed by his authority Canon 6. Item That if among the Prelates there happen to be question of greater affaires which God forbidde that cannot be ended by the prouincial Synode the Metrapolitan shal then prouide to instruct your brother-hood of the state of the whole businesse and if the parties being present it cannot be appeased by your judgement let it whatsoeuer it be be referred to our knowledge Canon 7. vvhere he giueth him Authority to cal Bishops before him and a Councel also if
the hope of eternal life is recouered that they who had lost the gift of regeneration condemning themselues by their owne judgement might attaine vnto remission of their sinnes the aide of Gods goodnesse being so disposed that pardon from God cannot be obtained but by the supplication of Priests For the Mediatour of God and Man the man IESVS Christ hath giuen this power vnto the Prelates of the Church that they may both enjoine satisfaction to the penitent and that they may also admit them being by the same holesome satisfaction purged through the gate of reconciliation vnto the communion of the Sacraments Where he further teacheth That they who die without this gift of pardon shal neuer be saued and doth also greatly blame them who deferre their confession til toward the point of death when saith he there is scarce space either for the confession of the penitent or for the reconciliation of the Priest It vvas not then vndoubtedly treason in S. Leos daies to be reconciled by a Priest seing he so often and so much recommended it to al Christian people and held it the only gate to re-enter into Gods fauor for al such Christians as were fallen from the grace they had before receiued in the Sacrament of Baptisme That Bishops Priests Deacons yea and Subdeacons should not marry and if any married man vvere chosen a Subdeacon that he should refraine from the company of his wife S. Leo is very plaine thus he decreeth Epist. 82. ad Anastasium Thes num 4. It is free for men that be not of the Clergie to marry but to shew the purity of perfect continency carnal copulation is not graunted so much as to Subdeacons that they who haue wiues be as though they had them not and they who haue them not doe continue single And if in this order which is the fourth from the head with the Protestants it is no order at al it is meete that chastity be kept how much more is it to be obserued in the first second and third that no man be esteemed worthy either of the place of a Deacon or honour of a Priest or excellency of a Bishop who is discouered not to haue yet bridled himselfe from the pleasure of wiuing This of the continency of Priests Wil you heare S. Leos opinion of the Vowes of religious men and women which the false Father Abbot scornefully tearmeth Monkish Epist 90. ad Rusti Norb. cap. 12. The profession of a Monke saith he vndertaken by a mans owne free choise and desire cannot be forsaken without sinne because that must be performed which we haue vowed to God Wherefore he that forsaking the profession of a single or solitary life is turned souldier or fallen to marriage is to be purged publikely by the satisfaction of penance for albeit warre-fare may be harmelesse and marriage honest yet is it a transgression and offence to haue forsaken the better choise It followeth in the next number Ibid. ca. 13.8 Maidens who not constrained by their parents command but of their owne accord haue made profession of Virginity and receiued the habit if afterwardes they desire to marry they doe sinne though they were not yet consecrated Ibidem 14. but if after both profession and consecration they should fal to marry it cannot be doubted but that they should commit a very hainous crime For if mans decrees cannot be infringed without punishment what shal light vpon them who haue broken the couenants of the diuine mistery How forcibly doth this chast doctrine of S. Leo batter and beate flat to the earth the voluptuous loosenesse of runnegate votaries and giues checkmate to the Protestants for vpholding the same as wel done That you may yet further perceiue what an euil Protestant and a perfect Papist S. Leo was he commendeth highly the Emperour Martianus his vertue and Godlinesse for receiuing with worthy honour the holy Relikes of blessed Flamianus departed who a little before was Patriarke of Constantinople And for praying to Saints you haue heard before Serm. 5. de Epiphania how he encouraged al men Eorum ambire suffragia earnestly and as it were ambitiously to sue for the aide of their praiers Againe he exhorteth his auditours to celebrate vvith him the Saturday following the Vigils of the most happy Apostle S. Peter Ser. 8. de Iejunio decim Who saith he with his praiers wil vouchsafe to helpe our praiers fastings and almes-deedes Behold he made no question but that S. Peter both knew their desires and deserts and would also further them vvith the aide of his effectual praiers In briefe then we haue that the most learned and holy Pope S. Leo the first taught praying to Saints and worshipping of their Relikes the vowes of Monkes and professed Virgins that Priests and al in holy orders should not marry but liue continently that Priests haue power to reconcile and to forgiue sinnes and that euery man who hopeth for any pardon of his sinnes at Gods handes must particularly confesse them in priuate to a Priest and by due satisfaction purge himselfe from them that in the Sacrament there is the same true flesh of Christ which was crucified and did arise from death that Masse is to be said euery holy day wherein the sacrifice of Christs body is offered that S. Peter was the supreme Pastour of Christes Church and that the Bishop of Rome is his lawful successour therein hauing supreme authority ouer both East and West Church These with such like points which may by diligent perusing his most eloquent and diuine workes be gathered doe most perspicuously demonstrate the Church of Rome in his time vvhich vvas neare 1200. yeares agoe to haue held the selfe same language concerning matters of faith vvhich the same Church of Rome at this day speaketh And that M. Abbot in seeking to proue the contrary did but shew himselfe either very ignorant in his workes or ouer studious not to take his Author right as his manner is but to picke some matter of cauil out of him thereby to blinde and deceiue the simple reader Now to the next ROBERT ABBOT PELAGIVS the Bishop of Rome the first of that name admitted a married man to be Bishop of Syracusa only putting in a caution that he should not dilapidare the Church goodes and transferre the same to his wife and children Dist. 28. de Syracusana The danger whereof he signifieth was the cause of that constitution which did forbidde a man hauing a wife and children to be preferred to a Bishopricke otherwise a man is not repelled for hauing wife children saith the Glosse because the Apostles permitted the same But now the Church of Rome Glossa ibidē wil by no meanes admit men to be Bishops or Priests not for that they would auoide the dilapidating of the Church goodes for that is a thing common with the Popes themselues Platina in vita Iohan. 16. To apply al to satisfie the
care of prouiding for wife children doth wholy extinguish or greatly diminish their good house-keeping and prouiding for the poore as the lamentable experience of our very time doth sufficiently instruct vs. What if some Popes or other Clergy-men haue beene too forward to satisfie the greedy couetousnesse of their carnal friends that is their owne fault contrary to the prouident order and law of the Church and if the corrupt nature of man be so inclinable to fauor them that be next in bloud to them was it not right vvisely ordained by our Church that Clergy-men should haue no wiues and children for that men naturally doe loue them most dearely and vse al meanes to prouide for them But how carelesly herein doe the Protestants carry themselues vvho doe encourage and as it were push their Clergy-men forward to haue wiues and children vvho being thereby clogged with the cares of this world bidde adieu to al courteous and plentiful hospitality and leaue the poore to shift as they can for themselues for they haue more then enough to doe to prouide for their owne wiues and children The second lie is shuffled into the parenthesis taken out of Platina to vvit That vnder the name of nephewes commonly goe their bastards vvhich is not in his authour but a most malitious slander deuised of his owne head and auouched without any testimony and therefore to be contemned The third is in that he maketh Platina to affirme it to be a common thing with the Popes which he only noteth for a special fault in some few Is this man worthy thinke you the sacred title of a Diuine or of the common name of an honest man vvho doth in manner nothing else but sow lies together and that sometimes so thicke that for euery line neere hand there is onelie or other vvas his meaning trow you to giue instruction to the ignorant and satisfaction to the learned as often he vaunteth or rather to blinde the simple and to feede the vaine folly of the ouer credulous Protestant Prouerb 10. Qui nititur mendacijs saith the vvise man hic pascit ventos Idem insequitur aues volantes He that relieth on lies doth feede the windes that is may please vaine and light heades He doth also follow birdes flying in the aire that is doth feede the humour of hawty wauering and vnsettled spirits but can neuer giue contentment or satisfaction to any graue modest and discreet man who doth flie from a crafty and subtle liar as from the very off-spring of that Serpent which with lying deceiued our first mother Eue. But goe on vvith your lies seing it wil be no otherwise ROBERT ABBOT THE Emperours of Rome Theodosius and Valens according vnto the doctrine of the ancient Church of Rome Petri Crinit de honest disciplina lib. 9. cap. 9. Vpon care of preseruing the religion of the high God did forbidde the making grauing or painting of the Crucifix and commanded it vpon penalty to be abolished wheresoeuer it was found But now not the making â—nly but also the vvorshipping of the Crucifix is a matter of high religion in the same Church of Rome WILLIAM BISHOP VERITAS non quaerit latebras Truth is not ashamed of her selfe nor coueteth to hide her head in corners vvhen shee may with safety be suffered to shew her face publikely That decree of the Christian Emperour Theodosius is extant and to be seene in the very corps of the ciuil law vvhat needed then M. Abbot to runne vnto a late obscure authour called Petrus Crinitus Peter with the long haire to seeke that which is of so good record in so famous a volume thinke you that it is without some mistery that he being thirsty would leaue the fresh fountaine and runne to drinke of the dirty puddle Latet anguis in herbae There is a padde in the straw A strange longing he had to finde out some cauil against any part of the doctrine of the Church of Rome and because that could not be by the true and ful report of the Catholike Emperours decrees he would needs fly to some broken relation of he cared not whom to blinde his vnwary reader vvithal The decree then as it vvas made by the Emperour and standeth Authentikely in the Code maketh much for the honour of the Crosse for he commanded That the signe of the Crosse should not be ingrauen Lib. 1. Codi tit leg Cùm sit nobis or painted on the pauement Ne sacrum signum pedibus calcaretur that the holy signe of the Crosse might not be trodden vnder feete Which said decree of Theodosius the elder the Emperour Tyberius the second one of his Godly successours vnderstanding wel vvhen he espied a Crosse cut in marble lying on the ground he commanded it to be lifted vp saying Paul Diaconus lib. 18. Rerum Romanarum We ought to blesse our fore-head and breast with the Crosse of our Lord and we treade it vnder our feete In what high estimation the signe of the Crosse was vvith that most bright mirrour of Emperors Constantine the great and how gloriously it was placed in their Diademes Pallaces and publike places no man can be ignorant that is acquainted with their Hystories And somwhat I haue said thereof already in the question of Images therefore I doe here omit to speake any more of a matter so euident I might here by the way blame M. Abbot not only for his deceitful dealing but also because he forgetteth vvhereabout he goes for his drift here is to teach that S. Peter and S. Paules successours the Bishops of Rome did of old teach another doctrine then these of later yeares doe now of vvhich number of Bishops Theodosius the Emperour was none but many such faults as this I let passe vvittingly or else I should neuer make an end And vvhereas he addeth That these Emperours did forbidde the making of the Crosse according vnto the doctrine of the ancient Church of Rome Obserue first that it is so said only without any proof and besides it is auouched very impudently as being flat repugnant vnto the knowne and notorious practise of Constantine the great their late and most famous predecessour Now to the next ROBERT ABBOT Greg. lib. 9. Moral ca. 1. 14. GREGORY Bishop of Rome taught That al the merit of our vertue al our righteousnesse is but vice and vnrighteousnesse if it be stricktly examined it needeth therefore praier after righteousnesse saith he that whereas being sifted it would quaile it may by the only mercy of the Iudge stand for good Bernard in Annot. 1. De lib. Arbit Grat. In fine Trident. sess 6 cap. 16. Yea and Bernard by the same doctrine of the Church of Rome saith That mens merits are not such as that eternal life is due vnto them of right or that God should doe wrong if he did not giue the same they are the way to the Kingdome saith he but not the cause of obtaining the
Kingdome But now the * Rhem. Test Annot. in 2. Tim. 4. v. 8. ad Hebr. 6. vers 10. Church of Rome attributeth so great perfection of righteousnesse to good workes as that they fully satisfie the law of God and worthily deserue eternal life yea they affirme them to be so farre meritorious as that God should be vnjust if he rendered not heauen for the same chargeing the justice of God not in respect of his promise but in respect of the merit and desert of the workes WILLIAM BISHOP NOW that M. Abbot is driuen to flie to that most holy and renowmed Pope S. Gregory the great for defence of their doctrine he is like to speed wel no doubt for he was the first founder of the Catholike religion amongst vs English-men and a great maintainer of it al the world ouer as shal appeare to the eie of euery vnpartial man that wil but reade that little which shal by me hereafter be produced out of him First touching the merit of workes we beleeue the same that S. Gregory taught to wit That al the merit of our owne vertue al our owne righteousnesse that is al that vertue and righteousnesse which we haue by our owne nature or strength is rather vice and iniquity then vertue And therefore that vve had neede most humbly to sue and pray to God for mercy and forgiuenesse of our sinnes and for the assistance of his heauenly grace which is the roote and fountaine of al good workes and merits M. Abbot therefore mistakes S. Gregory grosly if he thinke him to deny any true merit or righteousnesse to be in a vertuous Christian for though he say that our owne to wit that which we doe by vertue of our owne natural power be nought vvorth yet he teacheth most expresly that good workes done by the helpe of Gods grace doe merit life euerlasting Thus he hath left vvritten vpon that verse of the Psalme I haue meditated in thy workes Gregor in Psal 141. He that acknowledgeth the riches of this world to be deceitful and doth through the loue of heauenly thinges contemne earthly that man doth meditate vpon good workes which when this life doth passe away shal remaine yeeld the reward of eternal life For we liue not here profitably Nisi ad comparandum meritum quo in aeternitate viuatur But to get merits by which we may liue eternally And vpon these wordes of the 101. Psalme Their seede shal be directed for euer Our workes are therefore called seedes saith he because like as we gather fruit of seede euen so doe we expect reward of our workes for the Apostle saith Gallat 6. Whatsoeuer a man wil sow that shal he reape He therefore that in this life soweth the seede of good workes shal in the life to come reape the fruit of eternal recompence And in the same booke of his Morals out of vvhich M. Abbot snatched his darke wordes S. Gregory declareth clearely Greg. lib. 4. Moral c. 42. That as there is among men a great difference of workes in this life so in the next there shal be as great distinction of dignities that how farre here one man exceedes another in merits so much shal be there surmount the other in rewardes If then according to S. Gregories plaine doctrine grounded vpon the Royal Prophets Dauid and the Apostle S. Paul good workes be the seedes vvhich bring forth life euerlasting If the merit of this life be that wherewith we must liue eternally hereafter If according to the difference of merits in this life we shal receiue distinct dignities in the life to come can any man of judgement doubt but that he most perspicuously taught both that there be true merits in vertuous and good workes and also that according vnto the different degree of merits distinct dignities of glory shal be rendred in heauen The most sweet and religious father S. Bernard is haled into this ranke of S. Peters successours against al due order because he was no Bishop of Rome but our prophane Abbot saith that the holy Abbot Bernard herein agreeth vvith the ancient Church of Rome How may we know that Is it because that godly and deuout man did in al points imbrace and follow the ancient Roman faith L. 2. de Cons ad Euge. In Vita lib. 2. c. 3. 6. Item lib. 4. cap. 4. Lib. 3. cap. 5. Serm. 66. in Cant. lib. Sententiarū non procul ab initio then it is a cleare case that the Bishop of Rome is supreme gouernour of Christes Church that the sacrifice of the Masse is a most true holy sacrifice and that the same body that was borne of the blessed Virgin Mary is really and substantially there present that it is flat heresie to deny either praier to Saints or praier for the dead that euery one must confesse his sinnes to a Priest that the vowes of Monkes and religious persons are most pretious jewels and ornaments of a Christian soule vvhereof he was so earnest a Patrone and perswader that in his * In Vita life-time he instituted 160. Monasteries Briefly there is no branche of the present Roman faith which may not be confirmed out of his godly and learned workes Wherefore if S. Bernard agreed vvholy with the doctrine of the ancient Church of Rome so doth the Church of Rome that now is But if M. Abbot wil say that in this point of merits only he jumpeth vvith the auncient Church though in none of the rest should he not rather haue proued it to be so then to haue taken it as granted Yes verily vnlesse he vvould be esteemed for such a trifler as ordinarily doth petere principium begge that which he should principally proue To the purpose then I say that neither the ancient Church of Rome doth deny the merits of good workes as may be seene in that question nor yet S. Bernard for when he saith That our merits doe not in justice deserue heauen he vnderstandeth that of our merits taken by themselues without Gods promise and appointment of heauen for the reward of them the which secluded excepted God should not doe any body wrong if he gaue not heauen for the same but Gods ordinance promise presupposed and the grace of Christ by which the merit is wrought then it doth euen in S. Bernards opinion of right deserue heauen and God should doe wrong not to repay it with heauen And this in effect doth S. Bernard himselfe teach in the second place cited by M. Abbot vvhere he saith That it is just that God pay that which be oweth De Lib. Arbitrio In fine but he oweth that which be promised the promise was indeede of mercy but now to be performed of justice which justice though it be also principally Gods because it proceedes from his grace yet it hath pleased God to haue vs to be partners of that his justice that he might make vs merit ours of his
by most holy Personages witnesse these his vvordes Homil. 37. in Euang. Most deare bretheren many of you haue knowne Cassius the Bishop of Maruiensis whose custome was to offer vp to God daily sacrifice so that almost no day of his life passed in which he did not offer to God almighty the propitiatory Host whose life also was very conformable therevnto and then declareth how in a vision he receiued a commandement from God to hold on and to continue to doe as he did And at the feast of S. Peter and S. Paul thou shalt saith God come to me and I wil repay thee thy reward Againe he relateth of the most blessed Pope Agapitus that hauing a dumbe and lame man presented vnto him by his friendes who professed their confidence in the power of God and authority of S. Peter he presently bent himselfe to praier And beginning the solemnities of Masse Lib. 3. Dialog cap. 3. he offereth vp sacrifice in the sight of almighty God which being ended he went from the Altar tooke the lame man by the hand and the people beholding of it he presently set him vpright vpon his feete and putting the body of our Lord into his mouth his tongue that before was dumbe then beganne to speake Besides of him selfe thus S. Gregory saith Homil. 8. in Euang. Lib. 4. Dialog cap. 55. Because we are by Gods grace this day of Christes Natiuity to celebrate Masse three times we cannot long speake of the Gospel And further He caused the sacrifice of the Masse to be offered thirty daies together for the soule of one Iustus a Monke vntil he was by the oblation of that comfortable sauing Host deliuered from paines This may suffice for his testimony of the sacrifice of the Masse that it is a true propitiatory sacrifice and to be daily offered both for the quicke and the dead Now touching the Real presence of which S. Gregory writeth in this manner Christ liuing now in himselfe immortally Dialog lib. 4. cap. 58. is yet sacrificed for vs in this mistery of the holy oblation for his body is there receiued his flesh is distributed to the saluation of the people his bloud is not now shed by the handes of Infidels but is powred into the mouthes of the faithful Item he saith vpon these wordes Homil. 14. in Euang. A good sheepe-heard giues his life for his sheepe Christ is that good Pastour who gaue his life for his sheepe that he might turne his body and bloud into the Sacrament and fil those sheepe which he had redeemed with the foode of his owne flesh Moreouer expounding these wordes of Iob Who wil grant vs that we may be filled with his flesh The Iewes saith he and the beleeuing Gentils doe both desire to be filled with Christs flesh the obstinate Iewes in striuing to extinguish it by spilling of it but the good Gentils in coueting to feede their hungry mindes with his flesh in the daily sacrifice This I hope be plaine enough for the Real presence Now to the Inuocaton of Saints and the worshipping their Relikes and Images S. Gregory perswades vs to pray to the Saints both because they are Patrones very gratious with our judge IESVS Christ and we very sinful creatures that without the fauourable helpe of others are most like to be condemned Hom. 32. super Euang. In fine Wherefore saith he sue to those blessed Martirs that they may helpe you with their praiers get them to be Protectours of your guiltinesse They looke to be requested and as it were seeke that they may be sought vnto In the same place he sheweth vvhat miracles were wrought at their tombes and what gifts God bestowed on them that came to pray there The sicke men saith he doe come and are cured perjured persons presenting themselues there are vexed by the Deuil men possed with euil spirits be there deliuered How gloriously then doe they liue there where they liue that is in heauen if they liue so miraculously here where they are dead He propoundeth this question how it comes to passe that Martirs doe many times shew greater fauours and worke greater miracles in places where their bodies lie not and answereth in these wordes Where holy Martirs rest in their bodies 2. Dialog cap. vlt. no doubt but that they can doe many miracles as they doe vnto them that with a pure mind seeke for them but because weake mindes might doubt whether they be present to heare there where their bodies be not it is necessary that there they worke greater maruailes least weakelings should doubt of their presence but they whose mindes be fastned vpon God haue so much the more merit for that they know them not to lie there in body and yet not to faile to heare them Doe you note how he reputeth it to be a weakenesse of faith to doubt vvhether the Saints in heauen doe heare our praiers or no vvhich very doubt he resolueth in proper tearmes in another place where treating of the knowledge vvhich the soules departed haue doth say of the blessed soules in heauen 12. Moral cap. 13. Seing that the soules of the Saints doe inwardly behold the brightnesse of God almighty we must in no case beleeue that there is any thing without it which they are ignorant off That Churches were dedicated in the honour of Martirs and holy daies kept in remembrance of their deathes he vvitnesseth in twenty places That Masse was also said daily in eorum veneratione to their worship Lib. 7. Epist cap. 29. That Candels were lighted in the honour of S. Paul to testifie that he with the light of his preaching filled the world Lib. 12. Epist 9. See the last Epistle of the same booke vvhere he ordaineth that lights be taken to serue the high Altar of S. Medard Now for the loue and reuerence vvhich we ought to cary to their holy relikes let this serue A most religious Princesse vvho had in her owne Pallace built a Church in the honour of S. Paul made sute vnto S. Gregory to haue S. Paules Head or Handkercheefe to sanctifie and inrich the same to vvhom S. Gregory vvrote this answere Lib. 3. Epist 30. that he was very willing to pleasure her yet as sorry that he could not doe it in that sort For saith he the bodies of S. Peter and S. Paul doe in their Church glister and lighten with so many miracles and terrours that no man dare approach neere them not so much as to worship them without great dread but he trusted shee should not want the vertue of those holy Apostles whom with al her hart shee loued to protect her And touching the hand-kercheefe which shee demanded it did lie with the body and could not be touched more then the body it selfe yet that her most excellent grace might not be wholy frustrate of her religious desire he would send her some part of those chaines which S. Paul carried both about his necke and
the Clergy of Rome fallen into the heresie of Montanus and thereupon oppugning the same Church declareth what the said Church then taught concerning fasting Tertul. de Iejun aduersus Psythicos of purpose to dispute against it They say saith he that men are to fast indifferently at their discretion not by commandement euery one according to his owne time and occasion that the Apostles did so obserue imposing no yoke of standing fasts and such as should in common be kept of al c. WILLIAM BISHOP FROM the Pastours of the See of Rome M. Abbot is declined to the enemies of the same Church doth he not fairely obserue his owne order and promise But vvel M. Abbot if Tertullian for enuy of the Clergy of Rome fel into heresie let your charity towards the Roman Clergy helpe to draw your selfe out of the same sinke of heresie But where was your judgement to cite an author vvriting out of the corrupt humour of enuy as you confesse your selfe for an vpright indifferent reporter of his aduersaries cause Did euer enuy yet learne to speake vvel Why did you not rather alleage some sound Catholike Authour for the reporter of Catholikes opinions What is it because as Vultures and Rauens doe rather flie to rotten carrion and dead stinking carcases then to any sound bodies so they that seeke to deuour poore sinful soules doe make choise of tainted and corrupt authors out of their contagion to infect and destroy others Simile simili gaudet Like wil to like Nay vvhat if M. Abbot be not satisfied with the badde vvordes of Tertullian vvhich proceeded out of enuy and malice but doth yet by chopping and changing of them make them farre worse then they be in the authour is he not then to be esteemed as a most corrupt mangler of antiquity Tertullian to make his owne error seeme the lesse proposeth odde trifling arguments against it which he could answere with more ease and that after an odious manner as the aduerse party is wont to doe that he might make the Catholikes out of loue with them yet doth M. Abbot relate the same in great grauity as the most sincere substantial proofes of the contrary party sauing that now and then after his old fashion he falsifieth his authour too Now to the vvordes of Tertullian the first are craftily cropped off by him for Catholikes neuer said so absolutely That they were to fast at their owne discretion and not by commandement for Tertullian confesseth there that Catholikes held themselues bound to fast the Lent and on Wednesdaies and Fridaies therefore they could not say that they were to fast only at their owne discretion True it is that they answered him and the Montanists that they vvere not bound to keepe any of their new deuised fasting-daies nor to fast after the manner that they prescribed and that by the commandement as they said and lied of the Paraclete or holy Ghost from such fasts they proclaimed themselues free vvhereupon he malitiously reported that they said they might fast when they list and were not bound to fast by any cōmandement Secondly whereas Tertullian saith in the name of Catholikes That the Apostles imposed no yoke of standing fasts and such as should be commonly kept of al Nisi eo tempore quo oblatus est sponsus by which he meaneth specially the Lent wherein the memory of Christes death is celebrated and afterward mentioneth the Catholikes halfe-fasts as he tearmeth them of Wednesdaies and Fridaies M. Abbot to make them speake like good Protestants dasheth al that cleane out of the text leauing them to say that the Apostles appointed no fasting daies at al neither Lent nor Fridaies So what by Tertullians odious relation and M. Abbots false addition or substraction there is a pretty peece of cosenage to gul the simple and vnwary reader The wordes then of Tertullian being first such as proceeded from enuy and then also much mangled afterward and peeced togither at M. Abbots pleasure I hold it not necessary to stand vpon them but doe come vnto M. Abbots inferences and goodly buildinges vpon such a deceitful foundation ROBERT ABBOT SEE M. Bishop how like a Protestant the Church of Rome spake in those daies would you not thinke that Luther or Caluin or Beza were the Authour of these wordes How lightly doe you regard these arguments from vs which the Church of Rome 1400. yeres agoe vsed to the very same purpose that we now doe But the Church of Rome hath learned now to sing another songe shee condemned the heresie of Montanus then but now shee maintaineth it I auouch it M. Bishop that concerning fasting neither you nor al your fellowes are able to acquite the Church of Rome of the heresie of Montanus WILLIAM BISHOP I See M. Abbot how like the Protestant humour is vnto the distempered spirits of old time I thinke verily that Luther Caluin Beza and such late plagues of Christendome doe yet more deceitfully and falsly report Catholikes opinions and arguments then euer Tertullian did How lightly these arguments which you afterward enforce are to be regarded shal shortly appeare The Church of Rome hath not changed one note of her old songe concerning fasting neither shal you with the helpe of al your companions proue vs to be Montanists in this point of fasting I being the simplest of a thousand amongst the learned on our side vvil quickly cleare our party from that imputation And contrariwise I doubt not but to proue you and yours to be the disciples of louinian and Aërius old condemned Heretikes in this point of fasting Let vs lay vvordes a-side and come to arguments ROBERT ABBOT THE Montanists appointed certaine and standing daies for fasting and for the forbearing of certaine meates so doe the Papists The Montanists did not take any creature or meate to be vncleane but did only by way of deuotion as they pretended forbeare at certaine times and the Papists also doe the same The Montanists being vrged vvith that place of S. Paul to Timothy of them that cōmanded to abstaine from meates answered that that place touched Marcion and Tatianus such others vvho condemned the creatures as euil and vncleane not them vvho did not reject the creatures but only forbeare the vse of them at sometimes the same answere giue the Papists The Montanists tooke that their fasting to be a seruice worship of God so doe the Papists The Montanists thought that their fasting did merit at gods hands that it was a satisfaction for sinne that emptines of belly did much auaile vvith God and made God to dwel with man the same effects doe the Papists teach of their superstitious fasts Looke what arguments the Papists vse for their fasting the same Tertullian vsed for the Montanists Looke what cauils and calumniations the Papists vse against vs of feasting in steed of fasting of Epicurisme and pampering the belly the same Tertullian being a Montanist vsed against the doctrine of the Church of
extolled him so farre forth that they affirmed him to be both Father and holy Ghost In like manner as there be some Heretikes that dishonoured the holy Virgin Mary so there were some other foolish women that would haue made her a God offering vp to her sacrifice and instituting women Priests to doe her seruice Whose doating folly Epiphanius reproueth in the next chapter teaching first that it was not lawful for any woman to offer sacrifice or to baptise Secondly that neither the blessed Mother of God nor any other creature was to be adored that is worshipped vvith that honour which is due to God alone but he deliuereth in most expresse tearmes that shee is to be worshipped with another meaner kinde of worship that is due vnto excellent holy men and the sacred seruants of God Most goodly saith he is the blessed Virgin holy and to be honoured but not so farre forth as to adoration that is shee is to be honoured but not with diuine honour vvhich he otherwise repeateth thus Let the holy Virgin Mary be honoured but let the Father Sonne and holy Ghost be adored And yet more plainly explicating himselfe by that tearme of adoration Let not the Virgin be adored so as we take her for a God or offer vp sacrifice in her name Wherefore nothing wil appeare more manifest to him that pleaseth to reade that reuerend Authour then that there he reproueth them only vvho gaue Diuine and Godly honour vnto the immaculate virgin Mary making her a God and offering sacrifice to her But that shee is to be worshipped with another sort of honour due vnto the best seruants of God he doth both in that and in the former Chapter teach most plainly twenty times which is the very doctrine of the present Church of Rome vvhich holdeth God alone to be worshipped with diuine honour called Latria but the Saints in heauen and holy Personages on earth with a holy worship due to their gifts and graces of heauenly Wisdome Fortitude and Holinesse which God hath indued them withal This matter of worshipping Saints S. Augustine that most learned Doctor and firme pillar of the Roman Church hath fully and distinctly deliuered 1200. yeares agoe in these most memorable vvordes August lib. 1. cont Iustum Manich. cap. 21. Christian people with religious solemnity doe celebrate the memory of Martirs aswel to stirre vp an imitation of their vertues as to be made partakers of their merits and to be holpen with their praiers yet so as we doe erect Altars only vnto the God of Martirs though in remembrance of the Martirs For what Prelate or Priest seruing at the Altar in the place of their holy bodies hath at any time said we offer vnto thee Peter or Paul or Cyprian but that which is offered is offered to God who hath crowned the Martirs and is offered at the memorial or relikes of them whom he hath crowned to the end that by the admonition of those places there may arise greater deuotion to inflame our charity both towardes them whom we may imitate and also towardes him by whose helpe we may be enabled so to doe Therefore we doe worship the Martirs with that reuerence and respect with which holy men whose harts we thinke ready to suffer as much for the truth of Christ are in this life worshipped yet with this difference that we doe more deuoutly worship the Saints of whose vertues we are assured and who doe now triumph in heauen then we doe those that are yet combating in the field of this life but with that worship which in Greeke is called Latria and hath no one proper Latin word it being a certaine worship properly due vnto the God-head neither doe we worship or teach to be worshipped any other then God alone And whereas the offering of sacrifice doth properly appertaine to this kinde of worship whence their act that offer it to Idols is called Idolatry we doe not in any case offer any such thing or command any such offering to be made vnto Martirs nor to any other and if any man fal into that errour he is reproued by this sound doctrine that he may be amended or auoided hitherto S. Augustine Now let the vpright reader consider wel of this sacred and sound doctrine deliuered by the best learned in the pure estate of the primitiue Church and then judge vvhether the present Roman Church doth teach any other vvorshipping of Saints at this day We worship Saints in heauen vvith a kinde of holy and religious vvorship for their holy and religious vertues so did the good Christians in S. Augustines daies With a religious solemnity and with greater deuotion then they did the Godliest and most holy men aliue We doe teach vvord by word after S. Augustine that with that kinde of worship which is proper to God alone vvhich for vvant of a proper Latin word we cal Latria God only is to be worshipped Another kinde of vvorship which for distinction sake we cal Dulia of Doulos that in Greeke signifieth a seruant we doe exhibit as due to Gods seruants which is infinitely lesse then that vvhich we giue vnto the soueraigne Lord and Master of Men and Angels Now because the worship due by sacrifice is a recognising of his soueraigne dominion ouer vs to vvhom we doe offer sacrifice and of our subjection to him as to our soueraigne Lord therefore to God alone sacrifice is to be offered Yet as you haue heard out of S. Augustine Sacrifice is principally to be offered at the relikes and memorial of Martirs and Saints and in their remembrances that we may thereby be made partakers of their merits holpen with their praiers and also inflamed with a feruent desire of following their excellent vertues Note by the way the antiquity of the Christians offering sacrifice of communicating the merits of Martirs to others of the helpe of the Sâ—ints praiers Now if any vvould offer sacrifice to the blessed Virgin Mary or attribute to her any other part of that honour vvhich is proper to God alone we would be as ready to checke and reproue them as Epiphanius then was to confute the foolish female Collyridians To returne to M. Abbot vvhere were his wits when he cited out of his authour these wordes The holy Virgin is to be in honour yet not to be worshipped for had he but marked wel those wordes he might easily haue perceiued that Epiphanius did not mislike with al kinde of worship that was giuen to that most blessed Virgin seing that he vvould haue her to be honoured which is a higher kinde of reuerence then ordinary worship is for to be honourable is more then to be worshipful as euery man meanely seene in titles doth know vvherefore M. Abbot cannot be excused from a foule fault in that he hath translated the Latin word adorare and adoratio into bare and naked worship for in that place it is taken for Diuine and Godly worship as al the circumstances of
their saying doe alleage this Canon which maketh nothing at al for them because it speaketh only of a Priest that had a wife in times past Qui vxorem habuit that had a wife not that hath a wife Such men that vvere once married after their vviues death we doe admit to be Priests and to offer sacrifice condemning the Eustachians or vvhosoeuer else vnder pretence of their former mariages doth seeke to debarre them from that sacred function Marry such sensual or weake men that cannot or wil not refraine from marriage or company of their wiues vve doe wholy exclude from the celebration of the holy misteries And verily ignorantly and sawcily doth Mathew of Paris or any other late writer reprehend Gregory the seauenth for forbidding al men to be present at their Masses For it argueth great and grosse ignorance in al learned antiquity to account it a strange thing that Priests keeping company with their wiues should be repelled from the Altar vvhen not only Gregory the great Leo the great and Epiphanius vvhose sentences I haue before recited but also euen by M. Abbots owne confession Pope Stritius with the Clergy of Rome and S. Hierome did teach the very same little lesse then a thousand yeares before Mathew of Paris daies to omit sundry other ancient Fathers and decrees of approued Councels so that it was no strange example or vnaduised act to forbidde such fleshly fellowes to celebrate Masse neither could any but loose libertines be offended at it ROBERT ABBOT THE Valentinian Heretikes and Heracleonites Irenae lib. 2. cap. 18. Epiph. Haeres 36. August de Haeres 16. were condemned by the old Church of Rome for vsing expiations and redemptions by anointing men vvhen they were about to die yet thereof hath the Church of Rome now framed to themselues their Sacrament of Extreme vnction WILLIAM BISHOP HERE are but a few lines and yet not free from some lies The Church of Rome hath her Sacrament of Extreme vnction registred in the holy Scriptures as M. Abbot knoweth wel enough in these wordes Iacob 5. vers 14. Is any man sicke among you let him bring in the Priests of the Church and let them pray ouer them anoiling them with oile in the name of our Lord and the praier of faith shal saue the sicke and our Lord lift him vp and if he be in sinnes they shal be remitted him Where we see a set holy ceremony which was instituted by Christ and published by his Apostle S. Iames to be vsed ordinarily by the Priests for remission of sinnes which doth conuince it to be a true and proper Sacrament A fond fiction then was it to say that it was after the Apostles time inuented by Heretikes and that the Church of Rome hath borrowed it of them vvith which foolish deuise of theirs it hath also very smal affinity for their dreame was that by the pronouncing of certaine vnknowne Hebrew vvordes ouer the head of the sicke their soule was made inuisible and incomprehensible Epiph. Haeres 36. euen vnto the infernal spirits as M. Abbots owne authour witnesseth Briefly they differed in forme of wordes in substance of matter and in the state and intention of the Minister They vsed certaine Hebrew vvordes Messia Vphared and such like vvhich are set downe by Epiphanius We these God of his most pittiful mercy and by this holy anointing forgiue thee thy sinnes They vsed oile or some other ointment mixed with vvater We oile alone blessed by a Bishop Any lay person of their brother-hood might minister their drugs Our Sacrament is to be administred by a Priest only Their intention was to make the soule inuisible to the infernal spirits But ours is according to the doctrine of the Apostle to purge the sicke from the relikes of sinne and to giue him comfort and strength to resist the assaults of the ghostly enemy There being so great difference in al the essential points of these two anoilinges judge what a wonderful inginer M. Abbot did take himselfe to be when he conceited that he could by his fine pen shal I say or brazen fore-head make them seeme al one to the simple ROBERT ABBOT IT vvas heresie in the Pelagians with the old Church of Rome to affirme in this life a possibility perfectly to fulfil the law of God and S. Hierome as touching this point L. 1 2. 3. aduers Pelag. expresly disputeth against them but now it is heresie with the Church of Rome to affirme and teach the same that Hierome did as M. Bishop afterwardes giueth vs to vnderstand The same Pelagians were accounted Heretikes for saying that a man in this life might be anamarticos without sinne and that by baptisme he becommeth so but now the Church of Rome teacheth the same And M. Bishop in plaine tearmes telleth vs Page 32. That there is no more sinne left in the new baptized man then was in Adam in the state of innocency to vvhich state of baptisme they also equal a man vvhen he is shriuen to the Priest and of him hath receiued absolution from his sinnes I reserue the Pelagian doctrine of Free-wil and Satisfaction to their due place vvhere God-vvilling it shal appeare that therein also the now Church of Rome approueth those points as Catholike and true for which the ancient Church of Rome condemned them Yea so farre is the Pelagian heresie in request vvith the Papists as that Faustus a Bishop of France at that time a maintainer thereof Bignae Bibliot sacrae Tom. 2. Osor de Inst lib. 9. is by some of them recorded for a Saint and his booke vvhich he hath vvritten in behalfe thereof is called Opus insigne A notable worke And by some other the doctrine of S. Augustine against the Pelagians concerning Predestination is repugned which of old vvas acknowledged by the Church of Rome to be the Catholike doctrine of the Church WILLIAM BISHOP M. ABBOT comes now to make an end of his slanders and false imputations against the present Catholike Roman Church after the same sort as he hath heretofore vsed to wit with wrested and vntrue reportes of the old Heretikes opinions and the ancient Fathers refutations of them The Pelagians did teach indeed that it was possible to keepe Gods Cōmandements but therefore they were not accounted Heretikes for the same doth both S. Augustine and S. Hierome that writ against them approue and confirme in many places I wil touch some of each of them S. Augustine hauing alleaged certaine texts of holy Scripture to proue the same doth conclude thus By these and innumerable other testimonies De Peccatis Meritis Remissione lib. 2. cap. 6. I cannot doubt either that God hath commanded man any thing that is impossible for him to doe or that it is impossible for God to helpe man to fulfil whatsoeuer he hath commanded him and therefore a man holpen by God may if he wil be without sinne De Grat. l. Arbit ca. 16. And
in another place It is certaine that we may keepe Gods Commandements if we wil. Againe Grace is giuen vs not because we did good workes before but that we may be able to doe them De Spirit Liter ca. 10. that is as he expoundeth himselfe Non quia legem impleuimus sed vt legem implere possimus Not because we did before we receiued grace fulfil the law but that we may be able afterward to fulfil the law Can any thing be more manifest then that according vnto S. Augustines opinion a man indued with Gods grace may keepe al his Commandements and fulfil the law The very same doth S. Hierome confesse in that very Treatise cited by M. Abbot adding this reason We confesse that God giueth vs Commandements possible to be fulfilled least God should be authour of injustice if be exacted of vs to doe that which cannot be done so that the present Church of Rome doth herein follow S. Augustine and S. Hierome a noble paire of most learned Patrones of the ancient Church of Rome And doth nothing lesse then agree with Pelagius in his errours about that matter which were two The first That without the helpe of Gods grace a man may keepe al Gods Commandements The second That a man could keepe al the Commandements so perfectly that be needed neuer to sinne so much as venially Which two erronious branches of Pelagius doctrine we doe condemne as roundly as did the most holy Fathers and consequently that a man comming to yeares of discretion is anamarticos without sinne for if the justest man aliue say that he is without sinne that is some venial sinne he is euen thereby made a liar as S. Iohn witnesseth and therefore a sinner Al this Pelagian doctrine the present Church of Rome doth as wel reproue as did the former Marry to affirme as M. Abbot doth that Pelagius was of old cōdemned for affirming children to be made without sinne by baptisme is sauing your reuerence a starke lie confronted and confuted by S. Augustine in formal tearmes these be his wordes De Peccatis Meritis Remissione lib. 10. ca. 9. They that is the Pelagians wil not beleeue that baptisme doth cleanse Infants from original sinne vvhat a notable tale then was it to say that the Pelagians vvere therefore accounted Heretikes because they held men by baptisme to become vvithout sinne vvhen they flatly denied baptisme to cleanse them from sinne That which I said of the state of man newly baptised that there was no sinne left in him is S. Augustines and S. Hieromes doctrine word for word thus saith S. Augustine * Cont. duas Epist Pelag. lib. 3. cap. 3. Baptisme doth wash away al sinnes vtterly al of deedes wordes and thoughts whether they were originally contracted or afterward committed either of ignorance or wittingly The same he repeateth treating of the Creede De Simbol ad Catech. lib. 3. cap. 10. Omnia prorsus delicta delet sanctum baptisma originalia propria dicta facta cogitata cognita incognita omnia dimittuntur vvhich he doth inculcate in many places I wil cite but one more which containeth also an explication of that other Pelagian proposition how a good Christian may be without sinne these be his wordes L. cōt Iulian. ca. 13 15. Cōt duas Epist Pelag. lib. 10. c. 14. Multi baptisati fideles sunt sine crimine sine peccato autem in hac vita neminem dixerim c. Many of the faithful baptised are without crime that is without mortal sinne but I wil say no man to be without sinne to wit venial how much soeuer the Pelagians doe rage against vs for so saying not that anything of sinne doth remaine which is not forgiuen in baptisme but because in vs remaining in the frailty of this life there ceasseth not to be committed some-thing that is daily to be pardoned to them that pray faithfully and doe the workes of mercy In this one sentence of S. Augustine there is declared first that al manner of sinne is wholy pardoned in baptisme and that therefore a man newly baptised is as free from al sinne as were our first parents in Paradise as I said Secondly that though many of the better sort of the baptised doe continue without mortal sinne yet none at al without some kind of sinne the blessed Virgin MARY only excepted De Natur. Grat. cap. 36. Of whom saith S. Augustine for the honour of our Lord I wil haue no question when the matter of sinne is handled S. Hierome is as cleare for the vertue and efficacy of baptisme as in many other places so specially in his Epistle to Oceanus vvherein he proueth by many texts of holy writ That al manner of sinne is drowned in the water of baptisme Hieron in Epistol ad Oceanum not one being left to swimme out aliue And doth cal it the heresie of Cain To hold the woundes of our sinnes to be so venimous and incurable that the medicine of Christ in baptisme cannot heale them Thus much out of learned Antiquity to shew how ignorant M. Abbot is therein who thought that he had hit me home and giuen me some great blow vvhen he produced these my wordes M. Bishop in plaine tearmes telleth vs that there is no more sinne left in the newly baptised man then was in Adam in the state of innocency vvhereas you now see that the best learned among the auncient Fathers had 1200. yeares before maintained the same doctrine against the Pelagian Heretikes Concerning the Sacrament of Penance we in deede teach the very same touching the ful and absolute purgation from sinne and the eternal punishment due to the same which euery true penitent making his humble confession doth obtaine by the absolution of his ghostly Father which is no late inuention of ours but we learned it out of these our Sauiours owne vvordes Iob. 20. vers 23. Whose sinnes you forgiue on earth they shal be forgiuen in heauen Al antiquity hauing vnderstood thereby that Christ gaue to his Apostles as Pastors of his Church ful power to pardon sinnes and by them vnto al other Pastors that should lawfully succeede them vntil the worldes end This matter I haue handled in a Question by it selfe to which I referre the reader that desireth to heare more of it in particular As M. Abbot reserues the Pelagian doctrine of Free-wil and Satisfaction to their due place so doe I where it shal appeare that therein the now Church of Rome doth no more approue those points then it doth these which he hath here touched but that therein he is as fouly deceiued and goes about to deceiue others as here he hath done And if one D octor Bignee hath beene so much ouerseene as to commend a fauourer of the Pelagian heresie let it be inquired of the learned what thanke the present Roman Church doth yeeld him for his labour for I haue heard that it hath laid a
no man of any other country might afterwards doubt of their so approued sanctity To M. Abbots question I then answere that euen by the order of S. Peter and S. Paul Clemens l. 8. Constit c. 39. S. Stephen was Canonized for a Martir and a festiual day kept in remembrance of his glorious death The like order was obserued for the Apostles and other Martirs And from that time downe to this time I could proue if neede were Canonization of Saints not only by the Bishops of Rome but by the testimony and practise of the best Bishops and Doctors of the Christian religion vvhat ignorance then in al antiquity doth this man bewray by this impertinent demand More impudent yet is this his next Who euer beleeued or taught as it is now in the Roman Church that the Bishops blessing is the forgiuenesse of venial sinnes He citeth in the Margent the Annotations in the Rhemes Testament vpon the 10. of S. Mathew and 12. verse vvhich being looked into doth conuince M. Abbot of vnspeakable impudency Lib. 9. in Lucam L. 22. de Ciuit Dei c. 8. He saw there S. Ambrose alleaged formally to confirme that the Bishops blessing doth remit venial sinnes He could not choose also but see S. Augustine and others quoted in the Margent in commendation of the Bishops blessing vvho else where vvith the Councel of Carthage reproueth the Pelagian Heretikes Epistola 90. for holding that the Bishops blessing was giuen to the people in vaine Seing then that both S. Ambrose and S. Augustine with other more auncient Fathers and Doctors of the Church did grounding themselues vpon Christes owne word and promise teach that the Bishops blessing vvas of great vertue and that it doth namely forgiue venial sinnes by the verdict at least of S. Ambrose that most holy and learned Bishop whose antiquity grauity and sanctity is more to be respected then a thousand of such light prophane Abbots was it not I say incredible and most shameful audacity to demand who euer beleeued or taught that when he saw before his eies such worthy Authours alleaged for it this passeth so farre al ordinary audatious impudency that I know not how to stile it Other innouations he wil of courtesie passe ouer to further occasion but for these jolly points whereof the greatest is scarce worth a pinne he requireth satisfaction vvhich being so readily and easily giuen him he wil belike become a new man if he could once be perswaded to giue ouer lying and trusting to his artificial colouring of lies In the meane season this which I haue said wil I hope serue to satisfie the indifferent reader that the principal pillars of the Church of Rome in her most flourishing estate haue in al points taught the same doctrine that the present Church of Rome doth now teach And it is one of M. Abbots truthes that is to say a most bright glistering vntruth that as Theseus shippe was in continuance of time by putting in of new plankes wholy altered so is now the doctrine of the Church of Rome For I haue before most euidently proued out of authentike recordes of the ancient Bishops of Rome that they beleeued and taught the Real presence and sacrifice of the Masse Praying to Saints Worshipping of their Relikes and Images Purgatory and praier for the dead Auricular confession Workes of satisfaction and supererogation Merit of good workes the Vowes of religious persons the Popes supremacy Briefly al the points in controuersie betweene the Protestants and vs as may more at large be seene in the reformation of M. Perkins Deformed Catholike vvherefore the similitude of Theseus shippe which M. Abbot borrowed of a Catholike treating of another subject vvil not serue his turne but may be more aptly returned vpon themselues vvho bragge and beare the world in hand that they haue reformed al the errours of the Church and brought it vnto the purity of the Apostles times vvhereas in truth they haue plucked vp most of the plankes and boordes of Christes shippe by oppugning most of the articles of the Christian faith and doe what in them lieth to build vp a rotten Thesean shippe of old condemned errours to steale away the golden fleece of Christes true shippe that is to pil and poul the true Catholike Christian of that white fleece of innocency which he receiued in baptisme or recouered by reconciliation to saile after Theseus towardes Paganisme and the infernal gulfe of hel Now because M. Abbot hath here indeauoured to staine the pure and cleane sanctity of our religion with the spots and yron-mooles of errors and heresie I wil to requite his paines giue a touch vnto some special points of erronious doctrine noted by the best Authours for such in expresse tearmes vvhich the Protestants haue as it were raked out of the dunghil of rascal and reprobate miscreants and doe now a-fresh deliuer the same nothing in manner disguised vnto their miserable followers for the purity of the Gospel Yea some of the same are so euident and cleare that they are constrained to defend the authours of them for learned and godly men though by al antiquity they vvere condemned for ignorant and infamous Heretikes and to note the most holy and best vnderstanding and juditious Fathers as lesse skilful then these other erring companions For example Aërius both a knowne and professed Arrian Heretike and also vnknowne to the world for any monument of learning or vertue and therefore likened by Epiphanius to a Beetle and Horse-flie only notorious for these his errours taught first That we ought not to offer sacrifice or to pray for the soules departed Secondly That we ought not to keepe any set times or appointed daies of fasting but when any man wil then let him fast that we may not seeme to be vnder the law For these two points specially that Arrian Aërius vvas Cronicled for a notorious Heretike both by Epiphanius a most holy learned and auncient Grecian Bishop and by S. Augustine one of the most famous lights of the Latin Church the later of whom liued 1200. yeares past Neuerthelesse the Protestants preferre the odde inuentions of that contemptible obscure and blinde Arrian before the judgement of these most renowmed Doctors of Christs Church Must he not then be a very simple or rather sencelesse creature that vnderstanding so much vvil notwithstanding follow them Againe Iouinian was so meane a scholler that he was not able to write his owne minde in good and congruous latin wherefore S. Hierome vvas faine to helpe him out with it and doth as he tearmeth it out of his darke vvorkes cast serpents as it vvere out of their holes into the light Lib. 1. cont Iouin cap. 1. that they may be seene and slaine What vvere these venimous blinde-wormes trow you you shal heare in that most zealous and learned Doctors owne words Iouinian saith first Lib. 1. cont Iouin cap. 2. That Virgins Widowes and married Women baptized if they differ not
cap. 21. by the best Hystoriographers and other approued authors of the auncient Church for denying Priests to haue power to forgiue some sort of the more hainous crimes Our Protestants exceede the Nouatians therein for they hold that Priests haue no power to pardon any sinne at al either little or great but only to pronounce them absolued for the satisfaction of the congregation And M. Abbot doth vpon meere surmises goe about very ignorantly to colour their deceit Page 187. in saying that the Nouatians denied absolution not from any sinnes but only from the sentence of excommunication Ibidem for both Socrates and Sozomene doe affirme in plaine tearmes the Nouatians to haue taught that it lay not in the power of a Priest but in God alone Illud genus peccati ignoscere To pardon and forgiue that kinde of sinne And againe That hope of pardon was not to be expected of the Priests but of God who could remit sinnes And there is no mention of any sentence of excommunication pronounced against them but that the offendours through the enormity of their sinnes had depriued themselues of the benefit of the Priests absolution And because M. Abbot saith yet further that Nouatus denied absolution to one only kinde of sinne let vs heare how formally that most graue Doctor S. Ambrose hath 1200. yeares before confuted him these be his wordes The Nouatians say Ambros de Poenitent cap. 2. that excepting some of the grieuous sinnes they doe giue pardon vnto the lighter offences But S. Ambrose replieth thus So did not Nouatianus the authour of your errour For he held that penance was not to be injoyned to any sinne at al vpon this consideration that he would not binde that which afterwardes he could not loose least by binding he might put them in hope of loosing Therefore doe you condemne the sentence of your owne Master because you put that difference betweene sinnes that some of them may be forgiuen and other some you thinke remedilesse But God maketh no such distinction who hath promised his mercy vnto al and hath giuen licence vnto Priests to pardon without any exception Obserue how directly that auncient Father doth crosse our new Masters in witnessing that both Nouatianus himselfe denied Priests to haue power to pardon not only the greater but any sinne at al And on the other part that God gaue vnto Priests authority to pardon al sorts of sinnes without any exception of the most grieuous Hieron 〈◊〉 Epist de errorivus MoÌ„tan Niceph. lib. 18. cap. 43. Math. Paris in Henrico 3. Guido de lacobis cap. 2. The Montanists also as I rehearsed before out of S. Hierome did jump with the Nouatians in this point Afterwardes as heresies in tract of time grow more formal about the yeare of Christ 600. there sprong out of that corrupted roote certaine lewd impes called Iacobites who did teach in terminis That it was not necessary to confesse our sinnes to a Priest but it would serue to confesse them only to God Doe our Protestants differ from them any one jote therein That the Manichees among many other errours did deny Free-wil al Antiquity doth confesse The same doe the Protestants though not altogither after the same manner nor vpon the same groundes For the Manichees denied freewil aswel to sinne as to doe vvel Aug. 1. Retract 15. de duobus naturis cont Manich. for they dreamed that there vvas in a man both a good soule which they supposed to be a part of the good God and an euil soule descended of the nation of darkenesse Out of the forcible operation of the one of these two soules they imagined al good and badde deedes of man to proceede vvithout the free choise or consent of his owne wil. M. Abbot craftily to cleere their party from the infamy of the one branch of the Manichean heresie doth deny that they doe agree with them in the other True it is that the Protestants doe not deny vs free-wil to doe euil as the Manichees did yet doe they agree with them in the other part attributing the vvhole vvorking of good vnto grace as the Manichees did to the good soule without any free choise or consent of ours And albeit S. Augustine in refuting them doe most coÌ„monly insist vpon their denial of liberty to doe euil In disput coÌ„t FortunatuÌ„ in actâ—s cum Foeliâ—e cap 12. as being the more euident eminent absurdity yet doth he in sundry places intimate that the Manichees held it absurd to affirme that we had free wil to doe good The Donatists vvere of opinion that the visible Church of Christ was perished in al other parts of the world and only remained vndefiled in those coasts of Afrike where their heresie bare the sway August ad Quodvult alibi and vvere therefore by the verdict of Antiquity declared blinde Heretikes The Protestants as obstinately and more blindly doe auouch that the visible true Church was for 900. yeares togither banished out of the world and was of late restored from that long exile by Friar Luther and his followers and doth yet remaine only vndefiled in those corners of Europe where their new Gospel doth domineer they are therefore in that point Donatists It was a very preposterous shameful inuention of the Arrians yet of necessity imbraced afterwardes by other Heretikes to appeale from the judgement of their spiritual Pastors vnto the lay Magistrate thus writeth S. Ambrose of the Arrian Bishop Auxentius He being brought vnto an exigent doth flie vnto that suttle tricke of his predecessours to draw vs into the Emperours displeasure Orat. tertia cont Auxentium affirming that he being but a young-man and a Nouice in the faith ignorant also of the holy Scriptures as commonly other Princes are must notwithstanding in his Consistory determine this Ecclesiastical cause so did the Donatists appeale from the judgement of Bishops vnto the Emperour Epist 48. 162. Lib. 3. cont Iulian. cap. 1. as witnesseth S. Augustine And so the Pelagians would haue done if they could haue preuailed therein as the same most graue Father hath also recorded And is not this as it were the foundation and shot-anker of al the Protestants superstitious proceedinges Another rotten twigge of the same Pelagians heresie it was Aug. de Peccat Merit lib. 1. cap. 9. To deny children to be purged from original sinne by baptisme attributing that rather to a couenant made long since to old father Abraham most learned Protestants be of the same minde And al of them agree vvith Proclus the condemned Originist Epiph. Haeres 64. vvho taught Original sinne to be so in seperably joined with our mortal bodies that til death it is not clearely purged of it The Antidicomarianitae that is Epiph. Haeres 78. enemies of the blessed Virgin Mary were scored vp for Heretikes for denying that most holy Mother of God to be worshipped and honoured yet doe the Protestants
traitours Heralds at armes or menacers of their Prince vvould of al sober men haue beene esteemed to raue rather then to injoy the right vse of his vvits Let it be then vvel waighed vvhether M. Abbots case be not the very same Now to that which followeth ROBERT ABBOT VVHERE vve are to note the singular impudency and impiety of the Traitour Father Iesuit who seing the example of the first Christians to be contrary to their practise now colourably mentioneth it and by meere falshood seeketh to auoide and shift it off Bellarm. de Rom. Pont. lib. 5. cap. 7. That Christians saith he of old deposed not Nero Iulian the Apostata Valens and such like the cause was for that they wanted power and if they had had power they would haue done it directly contrary to that which they themselues testifie of themselues That they had power sufficient but held it vnlawful to rebel And thus here the young Crabbe goeth according to the gate of the old Crabbe and telleth his Majesty that if they can get strength they wil perforce winne that that his Majesty by entreaty wil not yeeld And biddeth him in effect Ibidem looke for the practise of their rule If Princes goe about to turne the people from the Roman faith by al their consents they may and ought to be depriued of their Dominions WILLIAM BISHOP HERE we are rather to note the ignorance shal I say or impudency of a shamelesse railing Minister that catcheth at al occasions to cauil at our doctrine how little congruity soeuer there be in the coherence of his owne speeches for smal reason had he to leape from my wordes of so modest signification vnto those of the right famous Cardinal Bellarmine vvith which they haue no affinity or resemblance For I only insinuate an inconuenience that may proceede out of the frailty and corruption of some impatient men vvhereas he seemeth to teach what may be done vpon good aduise justly And that you may vnderstand the vveakenesse of M. Abbots judgement vvho would make the Cardinals wordes directly opposite to Tertullians doctrine obserue that they be not so contrary as he through the fault of his soare eies doth mistake them For Bellarmine saith not that Neroes and Iulian the Apostataes subjects and such like would haue deposed their Princes if they had had power But that they might lawfully haue so done Now if you marke wel Tertullians vvordes he seemeth not to dissent much there-fro For saith he with vs it is more tollerable to be killed then to kil Out of vvhich wordes it may rather be gathered that he held it also tollerable for those Christians to make warre against their persecuting Emperours though he thought it more tollerable to endure euen death it selfe for their religion Neither can I perswade my selfe that the Cardinal meant that of Heathen Princes ouer whom the Church hath no power to judge but of such Princes only who had before made profession of the faith and therein promised obedience vnto Christes Spouse the Church as he doth there in his fourth reason declare expresly Now I entermeddle not at al with any such question vvherefore he too too crabbedly and crookedly doth resemble things so vnlike togither That which followeth in this his Section is but a most malitious exaggeration of their hainous crime that plotted about the gunne-powder-treason of which I haue spoken so largely in my answere to his Epistle vvhere he first enforced it that I neede not now againe stand about the confutation of it He after his old manner dilating his lies maketh it not only a common conspiracy of al Catholikes in England but addeth That it was also the effect of a consultation held at Doway but when or by whom he cannot wel tel I weene For al the Kinges Majesties most learned Councel hauing vsed al the diligence that vvas possible for men to doe to bolt out al the complices and circumstances of that most odious enterprise could tel no tidinges of any such consultation held at Doway as al the records thereof doe testifie Was it not then great pitty that they had not sought vnto this holy Minister for their better instruction in so waighty a businesse who could haue giuen them greater light therein as he seemeth to insinuate then al the world besides Marry if one should appose him how he came by the knowledge of that secret he would answere I trow that he had it by reuelation from the spirit that possesseth his hart to wit the father of al lies that old Serpent and calumniator Sathan Out of whose false figures he hath taken this more then Poëtical fiction which followeth in his text O if the Protestants saith he had vsed any such practise in France in Spaine or any where else what hidious noises and exclamations would these men haue raised there-vpon how would they haue traduced our religion how would they haue bent al their force withal extremity to extirpate vtterly not only the persons guilty but al that carried the name of that profession vvhat a sencelesse and most wicked fiction is this most wicked for that it would enforce the slaughter and vtter ruine of many thousands of innocents and guiltlesse persons for the guilt of a dozen offenders For he saith They would vtterly roote vp not only the guilty but al that are of the same profession how innocent soeuer And no lesse sencelesse is the same his assertion and repugnant to most euident truth For in France vvhich is the first country that he doth giue instance in the Protestants haue not only plotted and gone about but haue put in practise and actually done the vttermost of their power to depose and ouerthrow and ruinate not only their lawful King and most of the bloud Royal but also the Catholike Peeres Princes Dukes Lordes Gentry and Yeomanry Clergy and Laity To the effecting vvhereof besides their owne strength and the helpe of their neighbours they called into the bowels of their owne country two mighty armies of Germans with helpe vvhereof they haue sacked many a noble Citty Castle and Towne and blowne vp most stately Churches and other faire buildings vvith fire gunne-powder and Cannon-shot They haue rifled spoiled and ruinated many great Prouinces of that goodly Country they haue cruelly butchered slaine and beene the cause of the vnjust death of many hundred thousands of Men Women and Children as not only their owne Hystories testifie but many thousands of yet liuing eie-witnesses can verifie And notwithstanding al this mischiefe really acted and done be al that beare the name of that profession vtterly extirpated and rooted out of that country therefore nothing lesse nay they haue not only tolleration of religion but free exercise thereof openly allowed and graunted them Was this man then wel in his wits or did he know what he said vvhen he preferred that horrible conspiracy of the gunne-powder-treason before al the enormious crimes of Protestants both in France and al